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murder
rank Sat Nov 29 04:15:20
Trump to pardon former Honduran president sentenced to prison for drug trafficking

President Trump is set to pardon a former Honduran president who had been sentenced to prison for drug trafficking, he announced on social media Friday.

“I will be granting a Full and Complete Pardon to Former President Juan Orlando Hernandez who has been, according to many people that I greatly respect, treated very harshly and unfairly,” Trump said in a Truth Social post Friday.

In June 2024, former Honduran President Juan Orlando Hernández was given a prison sentence of 45 years due to over 10 years of collaboration with drug traffickers on getting cocaine into the United States, according to The Associated Press.

Hernández, who spent eight years as Honduras’s leader, was arrested by officials in February 2022, according to Reuters.

Trump’s comments about Hernández also came alongside larger commentary on the Honduran presidential election, which is set for Sunday.

“If Tito Asfura wins for President of Honduras, because the United States has so much confidence in him, his Policies, and what he will do for the Great People of Honduras, we will be very supportive,” Trump said in his post, referring to National Party of Honduras candidate Nasry Asfura.

“If he doesn’t win, the United States will not be throwing good money after bad, because a wrong Leader can only bring catastrophic results to a country, no matter which country it is,” he added.

Reuters reported Thursday that a majority of opinion polls found a statistical tie between three candidates vying for the Honduran presidency.

https://th...rlando-hernandez-pardon-trump/

Rugian
rank Sat Nov 29 13:02:56
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump

If Tito Asfura wins for President of Honduras, because the United States has so much confidence in him, his Policies, and what he will do for the Great People of Honduras, we will be very supportive. If he doesn’t win, the United States will not be throwing good money after bad, because a wrong Leader can only bring catastrophic results to a country, no matter which country it is. Tito will be a Great President, and the United States will work closely with him in order to ensure the success, with all of its potential, of Honduras! Additionally, I will be granting a Full and Complete Pardon to Former President Juan Orlando Hernandez who has been, according to many people that I greatly respect, treated very harshly and unfairly. This cannot be allowed to happen, especially now, after Tito Asfura wins the Election, when Honduras will be on its way to Great Political and Financial Success. VOTE FOR TITO ASFURA FOR PRESIDENT, AND CONGRATULATIONS TO JUAN ORLANDO HERNANDEZ ON YOUR UPCOMING PARDON. Thank you for your attention to this matter. MAKE HONDURAS GREAT AGAIN!

PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMP

www.yeswecansong.com
rank Sat Nov 29 14:29:49
ROFL!

https://ny...-smuggle-cocaine-into-us-feds/

Feb. 21, 2024

Former Honduras president Juan Orlando Hernández worked “hand in hand” with El Chapo’s Sinaloa Cartel and the notorious MS-13 gang to smuggle “massive amounts of cocaine” into the US for nearly a decade

The former Honduras leader even brazenly bragged during his tenure that he would “shove the drugs right up the noses of the gringos,” the prosecutor said.

murder
rank Sat Nov 29 18:46:48

Trump clearly gives no fucks about the flow of drugs into the US. Drug trafficking is just an excuse for him to attack whoever he wants to.

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Rugian
rank Sat Nov 29 20:24:53
I mean with Trump, it's bound to be one of a handful of options:

1) He personally knows and likes the guy...hence he deserves a pardon

2) He received a bribe of some sort from the guy...hence he deserves a pardon

3) The guy sent him a flattering letter or praised him in public...hence he deserves a pardon

4) One of his trusted advisors has been speaking positively into his ear about the guy...hence he deserves a pardon

5) The guy was convicted while Biden was president and everything that happened under Biden is illegitimate...hence he deserves a pardon

Take your pick...but it's one of these five.

Pillz
rank Sat Nov 29 20:45:00
Every sitting US president is deserving of a life sentence, too.

Heads of State should not be prosecuted for their actions on behalf of their state, at least not be foreign courts.

But ofc then Bibi would be allowed to travel and I can't support that, so I guess this is fine.

Trumps pardon is accordingly correct in principle, as exceptions should be made for anyone who isn't Bibi.

Pillz
rank Sat Nov 29 20:45:12
*former sitting

BREAKING NEWS
rank Tue Dec 09 06:23:06
https://ww...-hernandez-arrest-warrant.html

Honduran Authorities Issue Arrest Warrant for Ex-President Pardoned by Trump

The country’s attorney general said he had issued an international arrest warrant for Juan Orlando Hernández.

The Honduran attorney general announced Monday night that he had issued an international arrest warrant for the country’s former president, Juan Orlando Hernández, who was recently pardoned by President Trump and released from a federal prison in the United States.
In a social media post, Attorney General Johel Antonio Zelaya Alvarez said that he had instructed government agencies and Interpol to execute the warrant against Mr. Hernández on charges of money laundering and fraud connected to a case involving his first presidential campaign more than a decade ago.
“We have been wounded by the tentacles of corruption and by the criminal networks that have deeply scarred the life of our country,” Mr. Zelaya said in announcing the warrant on X.
The charges that Mr. Hernández faces in Honduras stem from what is known as the Pandora Case. Prosecutors say that between 2010 and 2013, a corrupt network of lawmakers and others diverted public funds through private foundations, then funneled those funds into political campaigns — including Mr. Hernández’s 2013 campaign.
Mr. Hernández’s lawyer did not immediately respond to a request for comment on Monday night and Mr. Hernández’s whereabouts is unclear.
Mr. Zelaya noted that his announcement coincided with International Anti-Corruption Day, Dec. 9. His social media message included a document dated Nov. 28 — the day Mr. Trump first announced his plan to pardon Mr. Hernández — in which a Honduran Supreme Court justice asked Interpol to “carry out an immediate arrest,” including if Mr. Hernández was released by the U.S. authorities.
In Honduras, Mr. Hernández is a broadly disliked figure whose time in office was marred by corruption scandals that prompted protests. He was at the center of a fraught election in 2017, when he secured a second term, despite a constitutional ban on re-election. His victory was contested, protests broke out and the military was deployed in a bloody period that left nearly two dozen people dead.
Less than a month after leaving office in 2022, Mr. Hernández was arrested and later extradited to the United States to face drug-trafficking and weapons charges. The U.S. authorities said upon his sentencing to 45 years in prison that he had played a central role in “one of the largest and most violent drug-trafficking conspiracies in the world.”
Mr. Trump formally pardoned the former president on Dec. 1 and he was released from a federal prison in West Virginia last week.
The pardon came after Mr. Hernández sent Mr. Trump a letter portraying himself as a victim of “political persecution” by the Biden administration and comparing his fate to that of Mr. Trump.
Mr. Hernández’s cause was taken up by figures like Roger Stone, the conservative political operative and Trump ally. Mr. Stone, who played a role in delivering the letter to Mr. Trump, claimed that Mr. Hernández was a victim of a conspiracy tied to the U.S. government.
Mr. Trump said that “many friends” had made the case for the pardon.
“He was the president of the country, and they basically said he was a drug dealer because he was the president of the country,” Mr. Trump told reporters. “And they said it was a Biden administration setup. And I looked at the facts, and I agreed with them.”
Last year, Mr. Hernández was convicted and sent to prison for conspiring to import cocaine into the United States and for possessing and conspiring to possess “destructive devices,” including machine guns.
The U.S. judge in his case, P. Kevin Castel, had called Mr. Hernández “a two-faced politician hungry for power” who masqueraded as an antidrug crusader while partnering with traffickers. U.S. prosecutors asked the judge to make sure Mr. Hernández died behind bars.

A major figure in Honduras’s National Party, Mr. Hernández served as president of Honduras from 2014 to 2022. When he won, he was seen as a willing, albeit flawed, ally by the United States.
Mr. Hernández’s rumored connections to drug traffickers escalated after his brother, a former lawmaker, was arrested in the United States on drug-trafficking charges in 2018. A lead investigator in that case was Emil Bove III, then a prosecutor for the Southern District of New York and later one of Mr. Trump’s personal lawyers.
During the trial of Mr. Hernández, the former president, prosecutors asserted that he had received millions in bribes from drug traffickers, including $1 million from Joaquín Guzmán, the notorious former leader of the Sinaloa cartel in Mexico known as “El Chapo,” who is imprisoned in the United States.
Mr. Hernández denied that he had trafficked narcotics, offered police protection to drug cartels or taken bribes.

While right-wing figures such as Mr. Stone were pushing for Mr. Hernández’s pardon, figures including Mr. Trump’s former campaign manager were advising a candidate in this year’s presidential election in Honduras, who is a member of Mr. Hernández’s party, the National Party. Mr. Trump also endorsed that candidate, Nasry Asfura.
The results of the closely-fought election have not yet been called but, on Monday night, Mr. Trump’s favored candidate had inched ahead of his rival, with 97 percent of the ballots counted.

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murder rank	Sat Nov 29 04:15:20 Trump to pardon former Honduran president sentenced to prison for drug trafficking President Trump is set to pardon a former Honduran president who had been sentenced to prison for drug trafficking, he announced on social media Friday. “I will be granting a Full and Complete Pardon to Former President Juan Orlando Hernandez who has been, according to many people that I greatly respect, treated very harshly and unfairly,” Trump said in a Truth Social post Friday. In June 2024, former Honduran President Juan Orlando Hernández was given a prison sentence of 45 years due to over 10 years of collaboration with drug traffickers on getting cocaine into the United States, according to The Associated Press. Hernández, who spent eight years as Honduras’s leader, was arrested by officials in February 2022, according to Reuters. Trump’s comments about Hernández also came alongside larger commentary on the Honduran presidential election, which is set for Sunday. “If Tito Asfura wins for President of Honduras, because the United States has so much confidence in him, his Policies, and what he will do for the Great People of Honduras, we will be very supportive,” Trump said in his post, referring to National Party of Honduras candidate Nasry Asfura. “If he doesn’t win, the United States will not be throwing good money after bad, because a wrong Leader can only bring catastrophic results to a country, no matter which country it is,” he added. Reuters reported Thursday that a majority of opinion polls found a statistical tie between three candidates vying for the Honduran presidency. https://th...rlando-hernandez-pardon-trump/
Rugian rank	Sat Nov 29 13:02:56 Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump If Tito Asfura wins for President of Honduras, because the United States has so much confidence in him, his Policies, and what he will do for the Great People of Honduras, we will be very supportive. If he doesn’t win, the United States will not be throwing good money after bad, because a wrong Leader can only bring catastrophic results to a country, no matter which country it is. Tito will be a Great President, and the United States will work closely with him in order to ensure the success, with all of its potential, of Honduras! Additionally, I will be granting a Full and Complete Pardon to Former President Juan Orlando Hernandez who has been, according to many people that I greatly respect, treated very harshly and unfairly. This cannot be allowed to happen, especially now, after Tito Asfura wins the Election, when Honduras will be on its way to Great Political and Financial Success. VOTE FOR TITO ASFURA FOR PRESIDENT, AND CONGRATULATIONS TO JUAN ORLANDO HERNANDEZ ON YOUR UPCOMING PARDON. Thank you for your attention to this matter. MAKE HONDURAS GREAT AGAIN! PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMP
www.yeswecansong.com rank	Sat Nov 29 14:29:49 ROFL! https://ny...-smuggle-cocaine-into-us-feds/ Feb. 21, 2024 Former Honduras president Juan Orlando Hernández worked “hand in hand” with El Chapo’s Sinaloa Cartel and the notorious MS-13 gang to smuggle “massive amounts of cocaine” into the US for nearly a decade The former Honduras leader even brazenly bragged during his tenure that he would “shove the drugs right up the noses of the gringos,” the prosecutor said.
murder rank	Sat Nov 29 18:46:48 Trump clearly gives no fucks about the flow of drugs into the US. Drug trafficking is just an excuse for him to attack whoever he wants to. -
Rugian rank	Sat Nov 29 20:24:53 I mean with Trump, it's bound to be one of a handful of options: 1) He personally knows and likes the guy...hence he deserves a pardon 2) He received a bribe of some sort from the guy...hence he deserves a pardon 3) The guy sent him a flattering letter or praised him in public...hence he deserves a pardon 4) One of his trusted advisors has been speaking positively into his ear about the guy...hence he deserves a pardon 5) The guy was convicted while Biden was president and everything that happened under Biden is illegitimate...hence he deserves a pardon Take your pick...but it's one of these five.
Pillz rank	Sat Nov 29 20:45:00 Every sitting US president is deserving of a life sentence, too. Heads of State should not be prosecuted for their actions on behalf of their state, at least not be foreign courts. But ofc then Bibi would be allowed to travel and I can't support that, so I guess this is fine. Trumps pardon is accordingly correct in principle, as exceptions should be made for anyone who isn't Bibi.
Pillz rank	Sat Nov 29 20:45:12 *former sitting
BREAKING NEWS rank	Tue Dec 09 06:23:06 https://ww...-hernandez-arrest-warrant.html Honduran Authorities Issue Arrest Warrant for Ex-President Pardoned by Trump The country’s attorney general said he had issued an international arrest warrant for Juan Orlando Hernández. The Honduran attorney general announced Monday night that he had issued an international arrest warrant for the country’s former president, Juan Orlando Hernández, who was recently pardoned by President Trump and released from a federal prison in the United States. In a social media post, Attorney General Johel Antonio Zelaya Alvarez said that he had instructed government agencies and Interpol to execute the warrant against Mr. Hernández on charges of money laundering and fraud connected to a case involving his first presidential campaign more than a decade ago. “We have been wounded by the tentacles of corruption and by the criminal networks that have deeply scarred the life of our country,” Mr. Zelaya said in announcing the warrant on X. The charges that Mr. Hernández faces in Honduras stem from what is known as the Pandora Case. Prosecutors say that between 2010 and 2013, a corrupt network of lawmakers and others diverted public funds through private foundations, then funneled those funds into political campaigns — including Mr. Hernández’s 2013 campaign. Mr. Hernández’s lawyer did not immediately respond to a request for comment on Monday night and Mr. Hernández’s whereabouts is unclear. Mr. Zelaya noted that his announcement coincided with International Anti-Corruption Day, Dec. 9. His social media message included a document dated Nov. 28 — the day Mr. Trump first announced his plan to pardon Mr. Hernández — in which a Honduran Supreme Court justice asked Interpol to “carry out an immediate arrest,” including if Mr. Hernández was released by the U.S. authorities. In Honduras, Mr. Hernández is a broadly disliked figure whose time in office was marred by corruption scandals that prompted protests. He was at the center of a fraught election in 2017, when he secured a second term, despite a constitutional ban on re-election. His victory was contested, protests broke out and the military was deployed in a bloody period that left nearly two dozen people dead. Less than a month after leaving office in 2022, Mr. Hernández was arrested and later extradited to the United States to face drug-trafficking and weapons charges. The U.S. authorities said upon his sentencing to 45 years in prison that he had played a central role in “one of the largest and most violent drug-trafficking conspiracies in the world.” Mr. Trump formally pardoned the former president on Dec. 1 and he was released from a federal prison in West Virginia last week. The pardon came after Mr. Hernández sent Mr. Trump a letter portraying himself as a victim of “political persecution” by the Biden administration and comparing his fate to that of Mr. Trump. Mr. Hernández’s cause was taken up by figures like Roger Stone, the conservative political operative and Trump ally. Mr. Stone, who played a role in delivering the letter to Mr. Trump, claimed that Mr. Hernández was a victim of a conspiracy tied to the U.S. government. Mr. Trump said that “many friends” had made the case for the pardon. “He was the president of the country, and they basically said he was a drug dealer because he was the president of the country,” Mr. Trump told reporters. “And they said it was a Biden administration setup. And I looked at the facts, and I agreed with them.” Last year, Mr. Hernández was convicted and sent to prison for conspiring to import cocaine into the United States and for possessing and conspiring to possess “destructive devices,” including machine guns. The U.S. judge in his case, P. Kevin Castel, had called Mr. Hernández “a two-faced politician hungry for power” who masqueraded as an antidrug crusader while partnering with traffickers. U.S. prosecutors asked the judge to make sure Mr. Hernández died behind bars. A major figure in Honduras’s National Party, Mr. Hernández served as president of Honduras from 2014 to 2022. When he won, he was seen as a willing, albeit flawed, ally by the United States. Mr. Hernández’s rumored connections to drug traffickers escalated after his brother, a former lawmaker, was arrested in the United States on drug-trafficking charges in 2018. A lead investigator in that case was Emil Bove III, then a prosecutor for the Southern District of New York and later one of Mr. Trump’s personal lawyers. During the trial of Mr. Hernández, the former president, prosecutors asserted that he had received millions in bribes from drug traffickers, including $1 million from Joaquín Guzmán, the notorious former leader of the Sinaloa cartel in Mexico known as “El Chapo,” who is imprisoned in the United States. Mr. Hernández denied that he had trafficked narcotics, offered police protection to drug cartels or taken bribes. While right-wing figures such as Mr. Stone were pushing for Mr. Hernández’s pardon, figures including Mr. Trump’s former campaign manager were advising a candidate in this year’s presidential election in Honduras, who is a member of Mr. Hernández’s party, the National Party. Mr. Trump also endorsed that candidate, Nasry Asfura. The results of the closely-fought election have not yet been called but, on Monday night, Mr. Trump’s favored candidate had inched ahead of his rival, with 97 percent of the ballots counted.
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