Utopia Talk / Politics / The US Navy's next frigate

murder rank	Mon Dec 22 00:01:30 The U.S. Navy has confirmed its decision to acquire a new FF(X) frigate with a design based on the U.S. Coast Guard’s Legend class National Security Cutter, though there are immediate questions about its expected configuration. The new warships, the first of which is set to be launched in 2028, are intended to fill the gap left by the cancellation of the abortive Constellation class frigate program. Read the rest here: https://ww...l-be-the-navys-new-ffx-frigate
Pillz rank	Mon Dec 22 00:17:19 This is fine. It'll cost less than designing a new frigate that's already obsolete, too. All you need now is something to fill holes while you figure out naval drone strategy.
Rugian rank	Mon Dec 22 00:17:56 "The new warships, the first of which is set to be launched in 2028" Anyone want to take a guess as to who it's going to be named after? :)
Pillz rank	Mon Dec 22 00:21:21 Should be named after Charlie Kirk
jergul rank	Mon Dec 22 12:54:49 Ruggy Nah. Way too small a vessel. See what capital ships are due for commissioning before end of term.
Rugian rank	Tue Dec 23 01:56:33 Ahahahahhahahahabahahahaha http://uto...hread=95417&time=1766447752058
Seb rank	Tue Dec 23 02:03:32 No vls? What's the point of them then? Can't defend themselves or contribute meaningfully to strike.
tumbleweed rank	Tue Dec 23 02:12:09 "What's the point of them then?" they will look nice Trump says he will be involved in the design (makes total sense) & repeatedly has complained about ships not looking pleasing enough
murder rank	Tue Dec 23 07:14:55 "No vls? What's the point of them then?" They will clear the oceans of lightly armed pirates. -
Sam Adams rank	Tue Dec 23 08:23:32 "What's the point of them then?" Sinking subs, long range patrol, training, sinking Venezuelan tankers, landing seals, all the baby stuff you don't task a real warship for but still do need reasonable length and mass for comfortable open ocean sailing at speed. Navies have successfully employed medium-light ships in this roll for at least 300 years. As long as we have no more than 5 to 10, that's fine.
Seb rank	Wed Dec 24 02:40:18 Sam: They won't be sinking subs because without vlms they can only have CIWS so they are vulnerable to enemy aircraft or indeed subs armed with sub launched anti-ship missiles. If they need to be in an escort group, that's kinda defeated the point of ASW frigates that need to operate autonomously to cover a large area. The whole point of this class, as I understood it, was additional mass for strike groups and ASW. Not having a VLMs is like a Napoleonic era frigate not having cannons but lots of men with muskets. Your use cases here are essentially all peacetime. No utility at all in a major conflict and all tasks that would be de-prioritised in a conflict anyway - they don't really free any capacity to up - just completely pointless and moronic. Needs a VLMs with a decent short range anti-air missile and option for anti-ship. Then you've can use it for sub hunting etc.
Sam Adams rank	Wed Dec 24 05:18:14 ”They won't be sinking subs because without vlms they can only have CIWS” So no weapons exist other than those that fit in VLS cells? Retarded. "Not having a VLMs is like a Napoleonic era frigate not having cannons but lots of men with muskets." A bit ironic since one of your countries two heros in the war died at Trafalgar specifically due to a lack of musket fighters on his flagship.
Seb rank	Wed Dec 24 12:17:54 Sam Adams: Nothing effective for an effective layered air and missile defence, no.
Seb rank	Wed Dec 24 12:21:47 Victory had loads of Marines and crew with small arms. So did the French. But I'm not sure Nelson's plan at Trafalgar would have worked if his ships were predominantly armed with muskets.
Sam Adams rank	Sun Dec 28 21:00:53 Nelson had a handful of lightly armed frigates to scout and not fight much. Oh gee it's almost like it's the same exact roll as the modern ship with the same name. Go figure.
Sam Adams rank	Sun Dec 28 21:07:21 "Victory had loads of Marines and crew with small arms.” Ya but not allowed to fight properly because Nelson was afraid they might set the sails on fire. His one great mistake. Not that it had any effect on the final outcome. It just got him personally(probably)... It's possible he would have still been hit even if victory was properly manned by marines up high. His odds would certainly have gone up.
murder rank	Sun Dec 28 21:21:57 These things will be $1 billion per ship clay pigeons. They would have been better off fixing the LCSs. -
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