Utopia Talk / Politics / Venezuela 2

Rugian rank	Sun Jan 04 18:23:33 Let me just try this on for size: The Trump-Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela. Beautiful.
Rugian rank	Sun Jan 04 18:28:15 Seb It is extraordinarily difficult to take you seriously sometimes. The fact that you put Trump's attempts to prosecute Comey on the same level as Venezuelan death squads is patently ridiculous. The Chavez & Maduro regimes have effectively destroyed an entire country. Tens of thousands have been killed or imprisoned as part of their repressive measures to maintain power. Millions more have fled, many to the US (which, if nothing else, makes it our problem to deal with). Maduro is not even the legitimate ruler of the country, having openly stolen the last two elections held. The humanitarian rationale for intervening in Venezuela is very much as if not more compelling compared to the possibility of a few civilians *maybe* dying in Benghazi, based on some hyperbolic rhetoric the (legitimate) government was issuing in the midst of a civil war.
TheChildren rank	Sun Jan 04 18:33:16 looks like boots on da ground soon 4 u, son coz u dunt own da oilz u dunt own da lands. u want it, u gotta bring in boots https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GIELy9PgWg they say it is coz they need 2 off set iran oil shutdown...and why wuld iran do so...well coz they bout 2 declare war 2 iran???
Forwyn rank	Sun Jan 04 21:29:48 Every single argument against Venezuelan intervention that Seb makes applies to Libya/Syria. Even the, "He's only there for the oil!" is rich. Our premiere engagement in Syria was killing Russian mercenaries while we were...posted up on an oil field.
Pillz rank	Sun Jan 04 21:35:40 There is no justification for US intervention in Venezuela except to prop up the Zionist American Empire by discouraging other Mexican nations from following Venezuela's example. That's it.
Sam Adams rank	Sun Jan 04 22:02:59 ”Our premiere engagement in Syria was killing Russian mercenaries while we were...posted up on an oil field.” That was really hilarious though. Although this is also really funny.
Seb rank	Mon Jan 05 00:27:12 Rugian: "The fact that you put Trump's attempts to prosecute Comey on the same level as Venezuelan death squads" Excuse me, did I say that? I don't think I did. I merely noted your current govt is on the same path, not at the same destination. At one point, in the past, you could say that's all the Chavistas were doing. "The humanitarian rationale for intervening in Venezuela is very much as if not more compelling compared to the possibility of a few civilians *maybe* dying in Benghazi" Nonsense. Gaddafi's forces were driving directly towards that city of half a million people and threatening to slaughter the population. They said as much. That would have been tens of thousands in a few days, not tens of thousands over two decades. International law permits intervention to protect people against large scale and imminent threats, not general thuggery and mismanagement. In any case, the US *isn't* intervening on humanitarian grounds. You've denounced the election winners as lacking credibility, are leaving the Chavista regime in place under the current deputy president and are merely threatening bombing unless economic concessions are provided. America is now responsible for the crimes the Chavista govt commits going forwards. Forwyn: No it doesn't. "posted up on an oil field." Being based at an oil field is very different from demanding the oil field and it's production be handed over to Americans. But from a guy that can't tell the difference between an asylum seeker and a modern conquistador in not at all surprised you can't fathom the difference.
jergul rank	Mon Jan 05 00:59:03 "NATO's rationale for the intervention faced criticism, notably in a report released by the British parliament in 2016, which concluded that the UK government "failed to identify that the threat to civilians was overstated and that the rebels included a significant Islamist element." Never double down on stupid, seb.
Cherub Cow rank	Mon Jan 05 02:30:48 "Orthodox Jewish judge to preside over Maduro's criminal proceedings in NY Judge Alvin Hellerstein, a 92-year-old Orthodox Jewish federal judge, is among the longest-serving active federal judges in the country." [January 4th, 2026] http://www.jpost.com/international/article-882289 Do we see how the jew polices himself? Some say that Jesus was a jew. (This argument seems somewhat convincing, though I realize that there are counter-arguments so I have no absolute opinion on this at the moment.) jews themselves claim that Jesus was a jew who learned of the jews' own enslavement schemes, was disgusted, and staged his own counter-teachings to free people from the jewish enslavement schemes. Nietzsche makes a similar case in Anti-Christ, explaining that Jesus' teachings were antithetical to that of judaism's, hence, the jew is Anti-Christ. (He makes the same case for Catholicism, since Paul the jew subverted Catholicism to re-indebt Christians to the jew.) And how did the jews of Christ's time handle this treason? The jew executed Christ, who opposed them. Can we observe similar jewish actions today? Yes. But the jew has learned to be careful regarding the martyrdom of fellow jews. With Christ, they did their usual character a55a55ination by saying that his mother was a whore who was impregnated by a Roman soldier, with Joseph covering up this adultery to save her virtue. In the jew's narrative, Christ was thus born of a jewish mother and a Roman father, which is the basis for many stories which have attempted to explain Christ-like figures who oppose the jew despite being one of them (e.g., the Dune story is of Paul being the son of a jew mother and of a Western warrior father). These jewish stories of a debased Christ are largely regarded by Christians to be heretical. Even Zio-Cucks struggle to understand that — while they believe Mary was a virgin — their enslavers, the jew, believe that she was a whore and that her son, Christ, is spending eternity swimming in shit. Most of them protect their consciousness from this by remaining early in the Celebration Parallax; that is, they deny that the jew believes these things.. when.. of course.. the jew does indeed believe this of Christ and of Mary. This is, of course, to say that character a55a55ination did not work against Christ (Christians deny the stories), and neither did martyrdom. Many jews today still lament that they failed to fully control all of Christianity (e.g., Melanie Phillips, November 2025 https://x.com/infolibnews/status/1992799649485267370 ), though they applaud themselves for their recent work with the dispensationalists (see Konstantin Kisin's node). The jew today has learned that many methods must be used simultaneously when one of their own works against the interests of the jew's overall plans. When a jew is caught committing pedophilia in the West, jewish judges and jewish lawyers will work together to have that jew sent to "Israel", hence we hear that "Israel" contains a large amount of jewish pedophiles. If a particular jew is overcome with hubris and wants to take too much (public) credit for his efforts towards jewish gains, jews will threaten his career, threaten to kill him, or will indeed kill him (see the jewish story of "Wag the Dog", which is a threat to jewish producers of agitprop who wish to be recognized by the public). So in the case of the jew Maduro, we must ask whether or not he was controlled opposition or truly disobeyed jewish schemes. Given that Venezuela opposed the evils of jewish usury, banking, and pornography, it is very possible that Maduro was indeed attempting to free the Venezuelan people from the jew's evils, using his insider knowledge of jewish deceit for these ends. But it is also because he is jewish and a too-public figure that jews would not simply execute him in the raid; he is one of theirs, and he had to be taken into custody and tried before other jews — not left to Westerners, who, by the jew's reckoning, do not deserve to take a jew's life in such an undignified manner. It seems likely that his survival will depend entirely upon whether or not he agrees with jewish councils to remain silent about the jew's enslavement schemes. Perhaps he will be allowed to live in the UK if he cooperates. It is only if he remains defiant like Christ that they will kill him.
Sam Adams rank	Mon Jan 05 03:11:35 Take your meds cc
Sam Adams rank	Mon Jan 05 03:12:47 Jergul I see your vaunted soviet air defenses did another stellar job. The way they shot down all those American planes. Amazing. Lmfao.
Cherub Cow rank	Mon Jan 05 03:42:22 Why didn't you answer my thought exercise, Sam? http://uto...hread=95442&time=1767514828251 "Is there any condition that you would impose upon the jew's ambitions?" "Would you regret your enslavement?" ... Oh look, the jews are getting what they want again: "BREAKING: Venezuelan migrants can apply to become refugees in the United States, per DHS Sec. Kristi Noem." http://x.com/LeadingReport/status/2007836004745675119 See how it's the same strategy over and over again? From the previous thread: ""Our greatest ally" will insist that we accept millions of Venezuelans following this attack. Simultaneously, they will insist that Venezuelans *not* assimilate. This... • kills nationalism in our Western nations, • builds resentment in foreign nations (the jew wishes the West to become a symbol of an international bully — even as it is the jew who commands the West! What a shield this narrative becomes for **their own** ambitions!), • allows the dispossessed foreigners within our nations to attack us (giving further pretext for *foreign* action — a non sequitur which the kikeslave *accepts*!), and • empowers the international Bolshevik's enslavement of the world." With the jew you will receive the same formula, over and over again. The kikeslaves of the right will champion foreign action while the kikeslaves of the left will champion "multiculturalism". So we attack the jew's foreign enemies, and these enemies then fill our Western nations where we are not allowed to harm them. Only the jew benefits, since the people who remain in these foreign lands are more easily enslaved by the jew, and we in the West lose our nations. Would you regret your enslavement? It's a temporal exercise, since a mindless slave has a human form but no consciousness to process something as complex as regret. Simultaneously, if you could — now — see a lobotomized version of your future self, would you regret your current decisions?
Pillz rank	Mon Jan 05 04:02:29 Sam yearns for the yoke
Renzo Marquez rank	Mon Jan 05 04:23:59 http://x.com/ShitpostRock/status/2007643143257096461
Pillz rank	Mon Jan 05 04:53:33 Look who posted on the wrong account
Sam Adams rank	Mon Jan 05 07:05:19 Take your meds cc. You are ranting insanely. Like wtb.
Seb rank	Mon Jan 05 09:38:14 Jergul: The reports conclusion: "*We have seen no evidence* that the UK Government carried out a proper analysis of the nature of the rebellion in Libya. It may be that the UK Government was unable to analyse the nature of the rebellion in Libya due to incomplete intelligence and insufficient institutional insight and that it was caught up in events as they developed. It could not verify the actual threat to civilians posed by the Gaddafi regime; it selectively took elements of Muammar Gaddafi’s rhetoric at face value; and it failed to identify the militant Islamist extremist element in the rebellion. UK strategy was founded on erroneous assumptions and an incomplete understanding of the evidence." Presumably you've read the govt response that rebuts some of these claims? The committee is working with hindsight and relying on evidence based on Gadaffi's track record, and how he put down rebellion in areas where support for the rebels was low. It does not follow the same would be true in the east. Moreover the report acknowledges the blood curdling rhetoric of Gadaffi - but says this should have been discounted. We don't know what he would have done, had his forces got to Benghazi, but if they had, and had slaughtered them all, the report would castigated the intelligence failure of ignoring his rhetoric, failing to understand the differences between the population in the east and west of the country etc. And you would be citing the failure to intervene is a reason why intervening against any crime against humanity is hypocritical because we let Gadaffi (no doubt pointing out how he was a former Western client dictator) run amok. Certainly the rebels had Islamist elements. Are you saying human rights don't apply to anyone on anyway associated (even as loosely as 'lives in the same city as) Islamists? Or is that just a bad faith guilt by associationb argument?
Seb rank	Mon Jan 05 09:43:31 Also note the caveats. The committee saw no evidence (though notes a lot of the intelligence came from France, as the committee notes, and would not be shared with the committee). It then speculates a list of possible explanations, but does not definitively conclude. In the summary, which you quote, you are failing to account for the fact that "exaggerated" is against the committee's assessment of the level of threat, which is against a counterfactual it admits it hasn't got the contemporaneous intelligence for.
Seb rank	Mon Jan 05 12:35:41 Anyway, a humanitarian justification for intervention clearly are not relevant as no actions are being taken to address any of the points raised, even if they did meet R2P thresholds, which they don't. Instead, the US is against the democratically elected administration taking control, and is apparently happy to see the Chavistas continue in power, provided they hand over Venezuela's natural resources to the US.
jergul rank	Mon Jan 05 13:23:07 I think we should dispose of the regime in London. I feel the Scots are in imminent danger.
jergul rank	Mon Jan 05 13:29:05 I am sure the civil war you instigated and perpetuated back in 2011 will end any year now. All the lives you fucked up there and elsewhere. Quite amazing. That is why all countries need nukes.
murder rank	Mon Jan 05 13:33:27 Apparently Trump has discovered that the new Venezuelan President is a member of Hezbollah or a drug kingpin ... unless she agrees to be his puppet, in which case she will be a great leader and friend of America and democracy. Republicans transformed from heartless bullshit artists to cartoon villains ... and now to just a vile criminal element. It's perfectly fitting that they are led by a rapist pedophile and 34 time felon. -
Rugian rank	Mon Jan 05 16:15:34 Seb It wouldn't kill you to just admit that you were wrong on Libya.
www.yeswecansong.com rank	Mon Jan 05 16:33:45 Tulsi Gabbard two months ago: https://ww...tulsi-gabbard_as-delivered.pdf The old Washington way of thinking is something we hope is in the rear-view mirror and something that has held us back for too long. For decades, our foreign policy has been trapped in a counterproductive and endless cycle of regime change or nation building. It was a one-size-fits-all approach of toppling regimes, trying to impose our system of governance on others, intervene in conflicts that were barely understood and walk away with more enemies than allies. President Trump was elected by the American people to put an end to this. From day one, he has showed a very different way to conduct foreign policy, one that is pragmatic, that is deal -driven, with a very realistic approach focused on protecting American security and prosperity while engaging with the world on terms that actually make sense.
Paramount rank	Mon Jan 05 20:18:45 Trump is now the dictator of Venezuela. Being a dictator means that anyone has the right to kidnap him now.
Average Ameriacn rank	Mon Jan 05 20:42:38 Try it you filthy swede, try it.
Cherub Cow rank	Mon Jan 05 21:25:20 [Sam]: "Take your meds cc. You are ranting insanely. Like wtb." How appropriate that accusations of kikeslavery are being met with the jew's strategy of suggesting mental illness is at play. It does not even fit here, since there is nothing at all incoherent about what I've said, and what I've said points directly to the issue of the thread (the jew's involvement in the Venezuela strategy). It would fit with williamthecoward because he is legitimately insane, and it would fit as jewish projection since jews tend to have a higher incidence of mental illness than the general public (this is true, look it up, it's hilarious). But of me? No. My words are measured. "Is there any condition that you would impose upon the jew's ambitions?"
TheChildren rank	Mon Jan 05 22:43:37 we is now know wut happened. and it aint good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VTdtb5O6CY 4 u!! buhahahaha dis isnt show of strength. u miscalculated. u done cooked
TheChildren rank	Mon Jan 05 23:07:04 late stage empire behavior or late stage capilism lol is being xposed
Sam Adams rank	Tue Jan 06 00:08:43 ”Try it you filthy swede” Lol
Habebe rank	Tue Jan 06 00:43:16 Poll on Venezuela 1. Best case scenario 2. Worst case scenario 3. Reality
TheChildren rank	Tue Jan 06 00:58:36 3 is easy reality is late stage empire panic behavior.
Pillz rank	Tue Jan 06 01:33:14 Zionist American consolidation, in preparation for global collapse and war with China. I imagine Venezuelan oil is a lot cheaper to extract than American oil. Any and all 'easy' oil reserves must be controlled in the event of a global crisis.
murder rank	Tue Jan 06 04:20:07 Gunfire heard near Venezuelan presidential palace From CNN’s Michael Rios, Avery Schmitz, Thomas Bordeaux Gunfire was heard in the Venezuelan capital Caracas on Monday night, near the Miraflores presidential palace. Videos geolocated by CNN show what appear to be lights from drones and anti-aircraft fire across the night sky. It’s unclear what the situation is related to. CNN has reached out to Venezuela’s ministries of communication and foreign affairs for more information. https://ww...t-id=cmk1s0pgn0000356py8n1kkgz
jergul rank	Tue Jan 06 11:37:46 Pillz Venezuelan oil is quite heavy with a high sulphur content (sulfur wreaks havoc with piping and fittings). Think the step before tarsand and synthetic crude. There is a reason it has the highest reserves. It is harder to fraction.
Habebe rank	Tue Jan 06 12:43:01 Jergul, Yeah, from what I gather it's more difficult to refine....only that US refineries have largely been made to refine such heavy oil. As I understand it.
TheChildren rank	Tue Jan 06 13:11:37 it is da heavy stuff but thats xactly wut da yankoids need 4 there production they is only got da light stuff apparently. and 4 good production u need 2 have in da middle. so that wuld xplain this blatant imperialist colonialst theft and pure gunboat diplomacies and shit dunt 4get we now knowz and shit that they had prepared 4 this half year ago... so imagine back then it was iran issue going on even da pager shit. so even then they was already schemin and colludin 2 get this warmongerin neo theft colonialist con job ' i betcha da next 2 con warmongerin jobs is alrdy well on da way....wake up at this stage ww3 is comin soon. at some point, do yall really think global south aint gonna react 2 this bs
Forwyn rank	Tue Jan 06 16:55:34 "Being based at an oil field is very different from demanding the oil field and it's production be handed over to Americans" Yes, one is tangible, while the other is a string of words. "the difference between an asylum seeker and a modern conquistador" Lol. Just keep saying asylum for everything. 193 UN-recognized nations and you want to pretend that 170 of them deserve asylum.
Pillz rank	Tue Jan 06 16:59:53 The fact that vacation in the nations they fled is priceless. It's too bad jergul is so old he won't be around to reap what he's sown
jergul rank	Tue Jan 06 17:28:19 Pillz I will outlive most of you.
Pillz rank	Tue Jan 06 17:46:34 I'm sure that's what hot rod told himself too
Average Ameriacn rank	Tue Jan 06 18:41:19 Gas prices already falling, thank you Mr. President!!
jergul rank	Tue Jan 06 20:54:41 Pillz Never mind that I have trekked 350 km on snowshoes so far this season (I wait with cross country skiing until mid febuary). Just calculate by deduction. How many here are: Obese Smokers (pot primarily, but impact is the same as from cigarettes) Mental health issues Less than prime health care access Sedentary Yah, I will outlive most of you.
TheChildren rank	Tue Jan 06 21:18:53 dunt even botha 2 hide no more lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLFkQbPWWDI
TheChildren rank	Tue Jan 06 21:29:49 sp in case yall was still wonderin and scratchin ur heads... is bout blatant oil theft https://ww...reserves-us-ambassador-un-says even admits it as much. cannot allow? it aint even urs. da fuck u mean u set da rules rofl. china will buy and get it anyway. if u want it, u gotta buy it like everyone else. simple. u dunt get 2 say who will and who willsnt gettin it when it aint in ur lands, aint urs stuff and shit
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