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Habebe
rank Fri Jan 16 05:00:02
It's crazy to think if you asked someone from 1900 what they thought of today.

For relatively little money we have smart phones, wireless.ear buds, TVs are cheap AF now, power tools etc.

But if you told them what we pay for housing, which hasn't really advanced that much in practical terms, sure the stuff in them has gotten nicer, central thermostats, but that's not the costly part of a home, they would probably think we are bonkers.

It's a great business, it's a great investment, but it's ridiculously priced.

I seen an actual shed in someone's backyard in LA going for like $2k a month IIRC.

Im better then you
rank Fri Jan 16 05:28:43
I'm glad most see Trump's 50 year mortgage as a "Fuck you peasant" as it was meant to be.

Sam Adams
rank Fri Jan 16 05:36:26
You can't make more land. Houses are always going to be expensive on a crowded planet.

Plus they are much nicer. Sure there are some 100 year old homes(Mainly rich peoples) that are as nice structurally as modern homes but the vast majority were shit boxes that have long since been replaced.

Sam Adams
rank Fri Jan 16 05:41:42
And even the nicer old structures didn't contain nearly as nice stuff inside. Not many rich people in 1900 had even half of what my house has in 2026. No AC. shitty lighting. Small windows. No jacuzzis anywhere.

And oh my God look at a 1900s kitchen. Savages!!

earthpig
rank Fri Jan 16 06:13:54
We haven't been building enough housing to keep up with demand since the 1970s. There are some local markets that have, primarily in conservative areas it turns out. But, overall, vastly insufficient.

Idiots, usually progressives, but in this case Trump has joined them as well, keep thinking the solution to insufficient supply is to subsidize demand.

Trump's proposed demand subsidies:
[x] 50 year mortgage proposal
[x] The obsession with lowering rates

And two tax cuts that are specifically good for his real estate investor colleagues:
[x] cap SALT deduction for primary residences, make it unlimited for investment properties
[x] cap mortgage interest deduction for primary residences, make it unlimited for investment properties

There is one, EXACTLY ONE, thing that can make housing affordable again.

BUILD
MORE
HOUSING

That's it. Everything else is a distraction.

Forwyn
rank Fri Jan 16 06:35:19
Deport 10 million people :)

Dukhat
rank Fri Jan 16 08:45:23
Foreskin with a brain-dead far-right take as always.

FUCK YOU

Dukhat
rank Fri Jan 16 08:45:59
Forwyn is the original Samantha Fulnecky

Paramount
rank Fri Jan 16 08:49:38
Well, you can’t build too many houses because then the value of housing would decrease. People who have bought houses and apartments as an investment will not like it.

murder
rank Fri Jan 16 15:18:02

^ Paramount correctly identifying the problem.

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Forwyn
rank Fri Jan 16 16:28:55
Poor Cuckhat. He fucking LOVES illegals

Sam Adams
rank Fri Jan 16 17:31:42
Cuckhat we can also shoot some far left retarded lesbians to get to that 10 million

Sam Adams
rank Fri Jan 16 17:36:09
"People who have bought houses and apartments as an investment will not like it."

Plus the increased traffic, crowds, noise. It's great to use left wing tools against them. Can't build there! There's an owl.

Rugian
rank Fri Jan 16 18:47:16
Hehe. Yup.

Anyway, housing prices are very much a function of the cost to build them.

Land costs are arguably tied to the values of their highest and best uses, so if completed houses sold for 50% less than they do today then land owners would have to lower their selling prices as well. But there isn't much you can do about construction costs, including labor and materials, that run at a minimum of $200k per unit. That alone sets a baseline of how much new inventory needs to go for on the open market.

kargen
rank Fri Jan 16 19:18:46
Part of the problem is people do not want to leave the overpriced overpopulated huge cities. There are good sized cities scattered all across the country that have affordable housing, really good job opportunities and good communities. But it isn't NYC or LA so fuck em.
Also first time buyers are wanting their forever home now instead of the starter home.

murder
rank Fri Jan 16 19:54:08

Most people prefer to stick close to family and friends. Most have to.

murder
rank Fri Jan 16 19:58:29

States could always prohibit building new single family homes.

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Habebe rank	Fri Jan 16 05:00:02 It's crazy to think if you asked someone from 1900 what they thought of today. For relatively little money we have smart phones, wireless.ear buds, TVs are cheap AF now, power tools etc. But if you told them what we pay for housing, which hasn't really advanced that much in practical terms, sure the stuff in them has gotten nicer, central thermostats, but that's not the costly part of a home, they would probably think we are bonkers. It's a great business, it's a great investment, but it's ridiculously priced. I seen an actual shed in someone's backyard in LA going for like $2k a month IIRC.
Im better then you rank	Fri Jan 16 05:28:43 I'm glad most see Trump's 50 year mortgage as a "Fuck you peasant" as it was meant to be.
Sam Adams rank	Fri Jan 16 05:36:26 You can't make more land. Houses are always going to be expensive on a crowded planet. Plus they are much nicer. Sure there are some 100 year old homes(Mainly rich peoples) that are as nice structurally as modern homes but the vast majority were shit boxes that have long since been replaced.
Sam Adams rank	Fri Jan 16 05:41:42 And even the nicer old structures didn't contain nearly as nice stuff inside. Not many rich people in 1900 had even half of what my house has in 2026. No AC. shitty lighting. Small windows. No jacuzzis anywhere. And oh my God look at a 1900s kitchen. Savages!!
earthpig rank	Fri Jan 16 06:13:54 We haven't been building enough housing to keep up with demand since the 1970s. There are some local markets that have, primarily in conservative areas it turns out. But, overall, vastly insufficient. Idiots, usually progressives, but in this case Trump has joined them as well, keep thinking the solution to insufficient supply is to subsidize demand. Trump's proposed demand subsidies: [x] 50 year mortgage proposal [x] The obsession with lowering rates And two tax cuts that are specifically good for his real estate investor colleagues: [x] cap SALT deduction for primary residences, make it unlimited for investment properties [x] cap mortgage interest deduction for primary residences, make it unlimited for investment properties There is one, EXACTLY ONE, thing that can make housing affordable again. BUILD MORE HOUSING That's it. Everything else is a distraction.
Forwyn rank	Fri Jan 16 06:35:19 Deport 10 million people :)
Dukhat rank	Fri Jan 16 08:45:23 Foreskin with a brain-dead far-right take as always. FUCK YOU
Dukhat rank	Fri Jan 16 08:45:59 Forwyn is the original Samantha Fulnecky
Paramount rank	Fri Jan 16 08:49:38 Well, you can’t build too many houses because then the value of housing would decrease. People who have bought houses and apartments as an investment will not like it.
murder rank	Fri Jan 16 15:18:02 ^ Paramount correctly identifying the problem. -
Forwyn rank	Fri Jan 16 16:28:55 Poor Cuckhat. He fucking LOVES illegals
Sam Adams rank	Fri Jan 16 17:31:42 Cuckhat we can also shoot some far left retarded lesbians to get to that 10 million
Sam Adams rank	Fri Jan 16 17:36:09 "People who have bought houses and apartments as an investment will not like it." Plus the increased traffic, crowds, noise. It's great to use left wing tools against them. Can't build there! There's an owl.
Rugian rank	Fri Jan 16 18:47:16 Hehe. Yup. Anyway, housing prices are very much a function of the cost to build them. Land costs are arguably tied to the values of their highest and best uses, so if completed houses sold for 50% less than they do today then land owners would have to lower their selling prices as well. But there isn't much you can do about construction costs, including labor and materials, that run at a minimum of $200k per unit. That alone sets a baseline of how much new inventory needs to go for on the open market.
kargen rank	Fri Jan 16 19:18:46 Part of the problem is people do not want to leave the overpriced overpopulated huge cities. There are good sized cities scattered all across the country that have affordable housing, really good job opportunities and good communities. But it isn't NYC or LA so fuck em. Also first time buyers are wanting their forever home now instead of the starter home.
murder rank	Fri Jan 16 19:54:08 Most people prefer to stick close to family and friends. Most have to.
murder rank	Fri Jan 16 19:58:29 States could always prohibit building new single family homes. -
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