Utopia Talk / Politics / Should Denmark trade Greenland ...

murder rank	Mon Jan 19 06:25:12 For Florida? Trump will do it too. Just think of all the immigrants he could get rid of with just a handshake. :o) -
tumbleweed rank	Mon Jan 19 07:53:39 his Mar-a-lago palace (& classified doc storage) is there he was displaying the entrance door on his feed a few days ago... of interest to the world, i'm sure
murder rank	Mon Jan 19 09:10:51 It was just wishful thinking on my part. Denmark would probably go for Hawaii anyway.
Rugian rank	Mon Jan 19 14:37:19 I've been thinking, the Danes should be establishing a negotiating position that they are willing to sell Greenland to the US...in exchange for the US giving Denmark the entire Eastern Seaboard. A steep trade perhaps, but it is necesssary for Denmark's national security needs. In this Neo-Danish Empire, English will be banned after a five-year transition period. Voting rights will be granted after a 70-year period in which the state has the opportunity to thoroughly instill Danish values into the children of the new citizenry. The Second Amendment would of course be abolished. Mar-a-Lago will be turned into a housing development for Greenland emigres. If Denmark had any balls, this kind of satirical proposal would be a pointed jab at the ridiculousness of Trump's demands. But of course, the Danes have no balls.
Pillz rank	Mon Jan 19 14:49:55 The absurdity of thinking it constitutes a point jab lol That is like a 130lbs antifa soyboi telling an ICE agent if he pepper sprays him he gets to fuck his wife. No basis or bearing in reality and immediately dismissed - ideally with prejudice.
Rugian rank	Mon Jan 19 14:59:09 Pillz The US demand that Denmark surrender Greenland is absurd. Land grabs of this nature do not (normally) happen in the modern international order, much less among nominal allies. Really, the only thing that is justifying Trump's demands is Europe's pathetically weak response to them. Trump may in fact have a point - if Europe's response to a threatened military invasion of its territory is to deploy 30-odd soldiers (some of whom have already been recalled home) and *maybe* cancel a pending trade deal, then they in fact cannot be trusted to stand up against future Russian or Chinese aggression. Europe needs to demonstrate that it has the stones to stand up for itself and NATO when it matters. So far it has wholly failed to do that.
Rugian rank	Mon Jan 19 15:02:38 If any country ever demanded that the US surrender one of our states to them, our response would be a derisive "go fuck yourself." Followed possibly by bombings. The very idea would be treated as laughably stupid. Europe is not acting like it's laughably stupid that we demand to have Denmark. That's a problem in and of itself.
Seb rank	Mon Jan 19 15:17:36 Rugian: Your failure to speak and interpret European responses is your own problem. They treat the threat as deadly serious, not laughable. But they are very clear and couldn't be more clear: it's not going to happen. If the US public, political class and media think it's a big joke and not worth reigning in, they are about to find out the consequence of their own lack of seriousness.
Pillz rank	Mon Jan 19 15:19:23 "The US demand that Denmark surrender Greenland is absurd. Land grabs of this nature do not (normally) happen in the modern international order, much less among nominal allies." 'Modern International Order' is just the enforcement of world order under American Hegemony. 'American Hegemony' being key to understanding why America gets to decide when it's enforced or not. 'Allies' is also a politically correct term you're applying in a contextually inappropriate manner. Europe (both the EU and Denmark specifically) are not 'allies', they're vassals. Your stupid attempts to moralize and intellectualize the situation to fit your arbitrary modern perspective don't matter. "Trump may in fact have a point - if Europe's response to a threatened military invasion of its territory is to deploy 30-odd soldiers (some of whom have already been recalled home) and *maybe* cancel a pending trade deal, then they in fact cannot be trusted to stand up against future Russian or Chinese aggression.' Ty for proving the point I just brought up, as the idea Russia is a threat to Europe is unfounded, and yes, ensuring European wealth and resources belong to America are imperative - China can not be allowed to win a greater foothold in Europe than it already has - and Europe is definitely retarded enough to sell their souls to the east. "Europe needs to demonstrate that it has the stones to stand up for itself and NATO when it matters. So far it has wholly failed to do that." Yes and we need a morbidly obese female-to-male midget to win worlds strongest man to prove women are just as capable as men are???
Pillz rank	Mon Jan 19 15:20:06 Seb is so fucking stupid
Rugian rank	Mon Jan 19 15:45:26 Seb Incorrect. Europe's failure to adequately convey their position in language that the other side can understand (assuming that is indeed their position, which is not a given) is their problem. The headlines from the continent are frankly mind-boggling. "We want to avoid escalation if possible," "We want to find a diplomatic solution," etc. This mealy-mouthed weaksauce is not the language of a continent that is outraged that its territorial integrity has been threatened by an outside power. This is the language of a group setting an opening negotiating position for future discussions in which they are prepared to ultimately offer concessions in the interest of a settlement. I guarantee you that none of these "oh, gee, we find it lamentable that the US are being meanies to Denmark" statements are convincing the White House that they can't get exactly what they want as long as they continue playing hardball.
Forwyn rank	Mon Jan 19 16:45:10 Seb should pray that Trump isn't ingratiated by an Argentinian nationalist with a penchant for praise.
Seb rank	Mon Jan 19 17:47:27 Rugian: Your leader is insane. He's been told publicly and repeatedly Greenland is not for sale and Denmark will forcibly defend itself against any invader. What do you want us to do exactly? Decapitate the US ambassadors to our countries on live TV and FedEx their severed heads to the white house? You elected this fucker, not us. If you attack an Ally, NATO (and US power projection info Africa and the middle east) is over. Your Sigint is over. Your tech industry is over. It will be hell to pay. That's been said. If the only way that cuts through is when all hell breaks loose, because Americans are too degenerate to understand words, then that's what's going to happen. But Europe isn't going to make the first move. It will respond.
Pillz rank	Mon Jan 19 18:02:02 Seb is in full cope mode, like the leftists in Minnesota
Seb rank	Mon Jan 19 18:16:44 Forwyn: Bring it. Absolutely the quickest way to get every American serviceman in the UK lynched by rampaging mobs of right wingers and us rejoining the EU.
Pillz rank	Mon Jan 19 18:58:51 Lol seb really believes that the british are gonna fight Americans over a Danish territory and rejoin the eu You are beyond delusional you fucking crack addicted cuckold loving deviant communist
Habebe rank	Mon Jan 19 19:36:03 Rugian, I'd be ok with that. I'd be curious how the east coast would be under Da ish rule.
Seb rank	Mon Jan 19 21:01:15 Pillz: You see AfD just came out with a statement in response to Trumps Greenland demands calling for a unified European army with nuclear weapons, and ended it "long live Europe".
Pillz rank	Mon Jan 19 21:08:01 And I fully support AfD. But you don't and you want to legislate them out of existence because you fundamentally hate the concept of sovereignty anyways, you sniveling little shit. But coming from you, who kisses his wife after eating out her children's fathers asshole, the cognitive dissonance you exhibit over the topic of an independent and strong European versus a collapsed welfare continent is not surprising.
Pillz rank	Mon Jan 19 21:09:55 Also fail to see how 'AfD opposes trump' = british men are going to beat up american soldiers.
murder rank	Mon Jan 19 21:28:18 "You elected this fucker, not us. If you attack an Ally, NATO (and US power projection info Africa and the middle east) is over. Your Sigint is over. Your tech industry is over." You're wrong Seb, because Europe has very limited capability to project force themselves and has overlapping interests with the US in Africa and the Middle East. Europe would be cutting off it's nose to spite it's face. There's also the issue of colonies that Europe can't defend. Much of Europe will get very angry and hate Americans, and then do what Europe always does ... which is try to make the best deal it can. -
murder rank	Mon Jan 19 21:35:18 If the US ability to project power and sustain force abroad is not crippled, then Donald Trump is going to do whatever he wants until he is removed from power or dies. Everything else is bullshit. -
Pillz rank	Mon Jan 19 21:40:02 American presidents don't just do whatever the fuck they want. They set the stage for what America wants, and whether or not they accomplish it within their term, successive presidents will, and they will consolidate those actions. So whether Trump gets Greenland or Canada or not, in the next 12 years, Greenland, Canada, whatever the fuck else Trump opens his mouth about, America is getting.
Paramount rank	Mon Jan 19 21:47:25 Why would the JewSA trade something for Greenland when they can get it for free. If anyone here knows Trump, please tell him to rename Greenland to New Epstein Island when the ownership has been transitioned.
jergul rank	Mon Jan 19 22:00:30 Pillz I am going to apply my infinite universe aid. Infinite universes branched out from when Trump declared he wanted Greenland. In how many universes did the US end up with Greenland in your mind? As a percentage.
Pillz rank	Mon Jan 19 22:12:08 All of them. For all the reasons listed already by myself, Rugian, Sam, and even murder. But I'm sure Putin will help protect Europe in one of your fantasies
Seb rank	Mon Jan 19 22:29:45 Pillz: What you support is irrelevant, they don't support you. They are explicitly arguing about building weapons to turn *you* to ash. This is the thing you fuckers don't recognise: you are uniting the hard left, the hard right, and the liberal centre against you.
Pillz rank	Mon Jan 19 22:31:00 Lol You're retarded and bad at English and abstraction
Seb rank	Mon Jan 19 22:34:05 "british men are going to beat up american soldiers." For the same reason AfD are suddenly for a United Europe (against the US). Nationalists and nationalists and what they see is an overbearing America shitting on our country for defending an ally. So now America is the enemy, the threat. And if they helped the Argentinians over the Falklands, well put it this way, when I see far right thugs in their thirties they still talk about the Falklands like boomers talk about WW2. So yeah, absolutely, that's what would happen. And not just beating up.
Seb rank	Mon Jan 19 22:36:24 Murder: "You're wrong Seb, because Europe has very limited capability to project force themselves" And why do we care? " and has overlapping interests with the US in Africa and the Middle East." Our interests are to see America bleed itself dry fighting other enemies, and then we asset strip the corpses. Think Iran Iraq war. Or the US after ww1 and 2. And in any case, just like your interests aren't to fuck with Greenland, that won't matter. It will be politically impossible to work with the US.
jergul rank	Mon Jan 19 22:37:39 Pillz Well, in several, a meteor destroys all life on earth within hours of Trump making the statements, so surely not "all of them"?
Seb rank	Mon Jan 19 22:37:43 No pillz, you just missed the point entirely.
Pillz rank	Mon Jan 19 22:41:34 No, you did. Always have. You are dumb in the same way Stevie wonder was blind. Jergul - its late, you need your rest
Sam Adams rank	Mon Jan 19 22:44:58 ”You see AfD just came out with a statement in response to Trumps Greenland demands calling for a unified European army with nuclear weapons, and ended it "long live Europe". " So trump is finally getting you losers to pull your weight in military spending?
Pillz rank	Mon Jan 19 22:46:07 To ally with 'fascists' even
Forwyn rank	Tue Jan 20 02:42:20 Seb wants to recreate Rorke's Drift with his fascist comrades, but as the Zulus
Forwyn rank	Tue Jan 20 02:43:28 - We will seize all American property - We will nuke American cities - We will lynch American soldiers Is this the greatest crashout in UP history? Knowing that Seb hasn't said the word "Greenland" in over a decade? Fucking LOL
Sam Adams rank	Tue Jan 20 04:34:42 Cuckhat melting down last week over some retarded lesbian who brought a car to a gun fight was also hilarious. The minds of weak men don't handle adversity well.
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