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Sam Adams rank	Sat Jan 24 18:07:45 Was resisting arrest and may have gone for a gun. Hard to see from first video. Lefties/cuckhats/antifas gonna be very butthurt.
Forwyn rank	Sat Jan 24 18:37:00 dId ThEy FuCkIn KiLl ThAt GuY aRe YoU fUcKiNg KiDdInG mE dUdE You can hear the absolute soy leaking from the filmer lol As well as all of the reddit comments, sounds a lot like Cuckhat tbh
Dukhat rank	Sat Jan 24 19:13:43 Talking out your ass like usual. Stupid motherfuckers always know what happen already without knowing the facts amirite brah? Fuck you both. Ice will be disbanded in 3 years and Jonathan Ross will be in jail too. There is no statute of limitations on murder.
Sam Adams rank	Sat Jan 24 19:26:29 Lol you can smell the soy from here.
Dukhat rank	Sat Jan 24 19:37:03 Your "knowledge" is literally nothing more than sad incel memes. Fucking retard.
tumbleweed rank	Sat Jan 24 19:56:56 Noem's claim on first shooting was that cops were stuck in snow trying to get car out when the woman attacked them with her car in an effort to kill them in an act of domestic terrorism so i'm sure we can trust whatever they claim now...
tumbleweed rank	Sat Jan 24 20:19:17 video of shooting (seemingly not conclusive of anything): https://x.com/TheJFreakinC/status/2015087091055575289 this seems to show guy prior to shooting, him just filming a goon (so unlikely his plan was to go shoot goons, so seems would be a weird choice to then try to shoot when multiple on top of him, but maybe?): https://x.com/MeidasTouch/status/2015117184377475103 my guess is another unwarranted killing given the constant goon behavior being recorded daily
tumbleweed rank	Sat Jan 24 20:25:43 from DHS statement: " ... The suspect also had 2 magazines and no ID—this looks like a situation where an individual wanted to do maximum damage and massacre law enforcement. ... " yes, & wisely waited til he was tackled by a group of them before, well still, never firing the alleged gun DHS statement (of deserved no credibility) here: https://x.com/BillMelugin_/status/2015114977225355735
obaminated rank	Sat Jan 24 20:26:38 Tw, the video shows the cops commanded her to exit the vehicle and she being a sheltered Karen panicked and drove away unintentionally hitting an ice officer which got her killed. This is a idiot who also walked into a situation he wasn't prepared for, brandished a gun and got killed. These deaths are not on ice. Ice is enforcing the laws. Laws we all agreed to. These deaths are on the agitators. These deaths are on you, tw. Though you are too immature to understand why. When you constantly call ice nazis, who do you think you'll inspire? Who will act out while you sit safely in your parents basement?
Dukhat rank	Sat Jan 24 20:26:39 37-year old US citizen. From the video, it looks like they already subdued him and the ICE agent went trigger happy. What an asshole. You have like 10 other ICE dudes around you and still go full auto. Definitely the small-dick energy you see in Sam and Forwyn at work.
Dukhat rank	Sat Jan 24 20:27:54 They said the agent fired in self-defense. LOL We all see the same fucking thing. An agent firing repeatedly at a man on the ground.
tumbleweed rank	Sat Jan 24 20:36:10 "unintentionally hitting an ice officer" what?? you admit truth?? yet somehow are on Noem/regime side who deliberately lied to you about it? (& still do?) & no, i don't think the cop's only choice was to shoot her, even if he didn't 'see the wheels' as some note, you can still tell when a car is turning (plus he would've noticed he wasn't being run over as shooting her given its hard to not notice you're not being run over) there were -two- issues there, the gov't bald-faced lying to the people, plus whether cop justified, both significant (& now lying about doing an investigation, Vance assured people it was being investigated, while Trump's personal lawyer turned deputy AG said no, no investigation needed & not being done, & the person who wanted to do it resigning (or pushed out, didn't really follow that story of yesterday)) but i'll try not to fill this thread w/ that prior (shameful & fully unacceptable) incident further...
tumbleweed rank	Sat Jan 24 20:39:48 in shooting video above, the woman in red coat (in background) seems to be filming closer & from better angle find that woman! before the goons do...
tumbleweed rank	Sat Jan 24 20:44:45 this is a slightly different angle, not sure it shows anything useful... (though a notably fat slug goon wandering around... not suggesting that means something :p) https://x.com/TheJFreakinC/status/2015129419615277153
Dukhat rank	Sat Jan 24 20:46:19 You should move to a thread where Sam can't just lie about what happened in the title already.
Cherub Cow rank	Sat Jan 24 20:46:46 [Forwyn]: "You can hear the absolute soy leaking from the filmer lol" lol, yeah "[ermagerdz,] not again, [dude]" XD [Duckfag]: "Somehow he was the only one afraid of a guy on the ground." That's not how force justification works. This isn't like a video game where you immediately know that someone is dead because their health bar disappears. If someone still has a pistol in his hand and is moving following this kind of altercation, there is a potential justification for "stopping power". [Duckfag]: "Talking out your ass like usual. Stupid motherfuckers always know what happen already without knowing the facts amirite brah?" [tumbleretard]: "video of shooting (seemingly not conclusive of anything)" Subverted leftists always say retarded shit like this because their perceptions have been disabled by cult dogma. We could hear some story like, "Man shot by ICE in Minneapolis," see a video of the retard fighting with police and getting shot, and they think that it's just ass-magic that we can figure out from these details that it was most likely some shitlib who thought that his insurrectionary retardation was some heroic stand against "Trump's Gestapo". Like, no, you fucking retards, it's a pretty good fucking guess. And tumblefag's captioning of those videos is hilarious, of course. These are the details we can actually see from those videos: Pre-shooting video: https://x.com/MeidasTouch/status/2015117184377475103 • The man is standing in the middle of the street. ICE and law enforcement are fully authorized to remove civilians from the street to control access. If someone refuses to depart the street, law enforcement can use compliance techniques (e.g., pushing them away, detaining them) • This man is clearly standing up straight with his cell phone with a position of intimidation that almost screams, "[Make me leave the street, Trump's Gestapo!]" He's basically "squaring-up" with ICE. Good idea, retard! Shooting video: https://x.com/TheJFreakinC/status/2015087091055575289 • The guy is clearly resisting arrest at this point. There is no condition where this is acceptable. Some Redditor saying, "[Erm, you should be able to fight back against Trump's Gestapo]" does not overrule the actual fact of law which is that you do not get to resist arrest without immediate physical consequences • The guy clearly makes a move for something on the ground (likely his phone or his pistol). He seems to try to grab it like a football player after a fumble. • At around 14 seconds, the agent on the left seems to identify a weapon and escalates to hitting to stop the man from getting the weapon. • At about 17 seconds, the agent in front seems to identify that the man has acquired a weapon, so the agent reaches for his own pistol. At the same time, the man to his right seems to recognize the same and tries to leave the pile so as not to get shot. • First shot at 19 seconds. More people leave since the man has apparently gained full control of a weapon. Additional shots follow. Leftists will pretend not to see any of this. They have to pretend that you cannot see these details or understand force escalation because cult dogma requires that they only see that ICE must be in the wrong and their insurrectionary foot solders must be in the right. We have seen this pattern for decades. It's old. Same with Floyd, Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown, Rodney King, ... they always protect criminals.
Cherub Cow rank	Sat Jan 24 20:56:38 Accurate: -------- The outcome of the Battle for Minneapolis may be a turning point not just in US history, but also world history. The State of MN is currently a lawless state, in defiance of federal laws & forces. Having been caught in massive frauds, the state is now in open insurrection. http://x.com/SaysSimulation/status/2015054746692829508 --------
williamthebastard rank	Sat Jan 24 21:08:39 Psychopath Psam - as much an extreme nazi as cherub filth but even more psychopathic. She at least is acting out of psychotic emotion. Psam doesnt connect to the rest of humanity any more than to NPCs, its all just a TV show to him. His ego never evolved beyond that of a 3 month old baby; If you gave a baby and him a button to press every time they needed to poop and told them that it would also kill 100 million people each time they pressed it, they’d both go “waaaa I need to poop” *press*.
williamthebastard rank	Sat Jan 24 21:09:18 Psychopath Psam can finally join a militarized group where he gets to harm other people though, after being failed for the most unqualified job in the USA, cannon fodder. Remember to tell ICE you werent allowed to have the lowest rank in the army due to failing their psychological tests, psam, that’ll be a merit when joining an even less qualified, militarized group.
Cherub Cow rank	Sat Jan 24 21:33:22 (Notice that the psychosis leftists have still not substantiated any of their arguments with actual video analysis.)
williamthebastard rank	Sat Jan 24 21:39:27 ^Daddy's little whore: tl;dr
Cherub Cow rank	Sat Jan 24 21:48:02 "Stochastic martyrdom is the encouragement of activist tactics that will predictably get activists hurt or killed when applied at scale, coupled with false assurances of personal safety for the people employing them. The martyrs created by this process are then used (quite effectively) as propaganda for the activist cause in a positive feedback loop. The repeated assurances that radically dangerous tactics are actually perfectly safe explains the preponderance of women throwing themselves in harm’s way, as well as the uncanny “we’re just playing” affect adopted by so many of the women filming themselves confronting officers armed with lethal weapons. And the importance of these false assurances explain the widely circulating myths that federal immigration officers can’t touch or arrest US citizens, that they have no authority over you to order you to (for example) stop blocking a public road, like a sort of leftist sovereign citizen movement. Obviously these ideas are dangerous lies, and I would bet money that Good had heard and believed them." https://www.adorableandharmless.com/p/stochastic-martyrdom
tumbleweed rank	Sat Jan 24 21:54:59 is your "The guy clearly makes a move for something on the ground (likely his phone or his pistol)" the very rectangular & clearly non gun object on the ground & kicked away by a goon at ~6 sec? of your shooting video (same one i posted for that matter) does your mentally unsound mind conclude: " this looks like a situation where an individual wanted to do maximum damage and massacre law enforcement " as our DHS has done? or would you like to have a problem w/ that insane claim... him 'squaring up' (w/ phone & no gun) instead of shooting them then (or ever), kinda seems to suggest that's an insane claim
tumbleweed rank	Sat Jan 24 22:05:57 Stephen Miller (acting nazi White House nazi) conclusion: "A domestic terrorist tried to assassinate federal law enforcement"
Cherub Cow rank	Sat Jan 24 22:13:15 [tumblefaggot]: "the very rectangular & clearly non gun object on the ground & kicked away by a goon at ~6 sec?" This is a denial of the fact patterns. If the object "kicked away" were the only object at issue, then you have still failed to explain why at *later* portions than "~6 sec" there were still struggles by law enforcement **and the suspect** to fight over something in the suspect's possession. Your argument fails to incorporate the additional facts of the video and at best illustrates that the object "kicked away" was irrelevant. [tumblefaggot]: "this looks like a situation where an individual wanted to do maximum damage and massacre law enforcement" He was clearly fighting ICE agents. Very stupid idea. This was natural selection. The left craves death, and he got it. [tumblefaggot]: "him 'squaring up' (w/ phone & no gun) instead of shooting them then (or ever), kinda seems to suggest that's an insane claim" Yours is retard logic here. He was clearly squaring up, and your inability to interpret how that could relate to not just shooting ICE agents is more of your failure to comprehend theory-of-mind. This is a simple leftist tactic that we have seen time and time again. As the jew Saul Alinsky instructs in the left's popular book "Rules for Radicals": "The real action is in the enemy's reaction." The aim of the left is not necessarily to (always) seek direct conflict in actions which are unmistakably violent and cruel (though they certainly do that, as the Russian nihilist movement proved, as the Kirk as5as5in proved), but to demonstrate a false pretext for those actions. This is the same as someone getting in a bar fight by pleading, "Do something. Do something. Do something." They are looking for a pretext. The goal in a situation like this would be to 1) get martyred (as happened), 2) be brutalized and survive (bad optics for ICE), or 3) get hit first and then fire upon ICE (deceive low-IQ leftists with a narrative that civilians should be able to fight back and get away with it) None of this is outlandish. These are routine leftist tactics. The 2020 BLM/Antifa Insurrection was composed of this ad nauseum, these are Marxist tactics employed in the "Civil Rights" era (White enslavement era), were taught by the jews to the Maoists and Gandhi followers, and we have been seeing more of this again in this current insurrection. The left will inch closer and closer to disputed areas (e.g., open streets, ICE facilities, Portland court houses, government buildings) and try to provoke responses (e.g., tear gas, riot control). When these clips make it to left-wing networks, the pretext is usually removed or minimized (e.g., "[It's just legal protest, bro!]", "[They're Trump's Gestapo, bro!]", "[They don't own the streets, bro!]"), but the *response* by police will be shown. It's just Rodney King over and over again: a bunch of cops beating someone with it totally omitted that Rodney King was high and speeding at 117 mph and then resisting arrest. The slavish destroyers of the West will always side with the criminal because they want an anarcho-tyranny where their criminal castes are free to commit anarchy while the law-abiding are tyrannized since they still obey and respect laws. You, being an insurrectionist, cannot comprehend why someone would respect Western laws.
tumbleweed rank	Sat Jan 24 22:14:29 the liars are claiming the guy 'approached' a goon w/ his gun out... not completely impossible i guess, but given there's video of him face to face w/ a goon & no gun out, a bit suspect (theoretically they could have separated then guy pulled gun & approached again? seems unlikely though) i'll guess goon got upset at being challenged, attacks guy, others join & shoot him when his legally carried gun falls out of wherever it was
Cherub Cow rank	Sat Jan 24 22:46:42 [tumblefaggot]: "i'll guess goon got upset at being challenged, attacks guy," I mentioned this above: "• The man is standing in the middle of the street. ICE and law enforcement are fully authorized to remove civilians from the street to control access. If someone refuses to depart the street, law enforcement can use compliance techniques (e.g., pushing them away, detaining them)" The left is incapable of parsing actual law, so tumblefaggot's response here is the kind of retardation we have to see. He will cynically infer that it was just some guy getting "upset" while ignoring that challenging an ICE officer in this way can indeed justify control techniques (i.e., if someone is squaring up to an ICE agent in a group of ICE agents who are clearly trying to control that street, then the ICE agent can indeed take action against that someone). In the slave/death cult that tumblefaggot has joined, cowardice and coward's methods such as those of this leftist are acceptable but the actions of the strong and noble are not. This is the same thing as the slaves of the left thinking that the ICE officer who justly shot that SSRI shitlib woman should have just run away. They are wired as cowards and only comprehend "flight" and thus have no theory-of-mind for another of nature's responses: "fight". People of slave morality, such as tumblefaggot, simply cannot understand the noble morality which is at the very heart of the West. This is their slavish nature as anti-White anti-West psychopaths and useful idiots. They are on a completely separate ideologically subverted morality and can no longer comprehend Western law.
Forwyn rank	Sat Jan 24 23:04:30 "B-b-but ICE aren't cops, they have no authority!"
Habebe rank	Sat Jan 24 23:09:12 Federal agents disguising their identity in US civilian areas seems super unconstitutional.
Cherub Cow rank	Sat Jan 24 23:17:03 [Habebe]: "Federal agents disguising their identity in US civilian areas seems super unconstitutional." This is the kind of retarded thing leftists are saying, yes. The reality is that the psychosis leftists have been doxxing anyone not wearing masks, and we know already that they will a55a55inate anyone who shows their face. Just a few days ago they stormed a Church in violation of federal law because the pastor may have been affiliated with ICE (still no official confirmation that this was the same David Easterwood, though many Regime articles take the protestors' word for it). We just saw in the last decade that the left were unpersoning anyone on the Right who spoke out against them, and it literally took Musk the purchasing of Twitter to erode this totalitarian power.. yet the threat remains. If they will storm a Church, show up at a judge's house, a55a55inate Charlie Kirk, and kill other White people in cold blood for their very existence... then yeah.. ICE officers should probably be wearing masks right now. "The mask is not for you. It's to protect the people you care about."
tumbleweed rank	Sat Jan 24 23:24:44 CC ignoring how the regime claiming the guy "approached" w/ gun out, & their claim he was out to assassinate/massacre law enforcement so of course ZERO of what any report (from the regime) ever says on this incident or any can be believed, & much like any Trump comment, it in fact should be presumed to be deliberate deception
Habebe rank	Sat Jan 24 23:30:00 Cc, I'll tell you the same thing I tell leftists when they complain about getting around the constitution. If you don't like it, change the constitution. It's rare I get to use such an argument against a non leftists. The law is the law. IDGAF if ice agents were being executed in their homes daily, we have due process to handle that and if it was big enough of an issue, we would change the constitution. As it stands now, if federal agents are engaging publicly and making arrests, especially in civilian areas, the laws seem clear they must identify themselves. What would Gorsuch do? On the border, it's plausible to entertain the argument they are it are not engaging publicly etc.
Rugian rank	Sat Jan 24 23:30:52 Habebe Fundamentally, I do share your discomfort with masked law enforcement officers. Two points though: As CC mentioned, there are groups that are actively doxing every officer they can. Is it actually unconstitutional? I'm struggling to think of how exactly.
Forwyn rank	Sat Jan 24 23:33:36 There is no constitutional phrase dictating that any iteration of law enforcement or deportation officer show their face. What fucking idiocy lmao
Forwyn rank	Sat Jan 24 23:34:20 "I was denied due process because I couldn't see Officer Piggy's face! And my buddy couldn't plaster said face on the internet so that some Commie's could show up at his doorstep and blast his wife. #fascism"
Cherub Cow rank	Sat Jan 24 23:39:20 [tumblefaggot]: "CC ignoring how the regime claiming the guy "approached" w/ gun out, & their claim he was out to assassinate/massacre law enforcement" You can't just ask me to defend claims made by someone else somewhere else, you rhetorically illiterate faggot. I don't know who said that or why and can only infer the truth is something like that this guy made it clear that he had a gun and used that as part of his squaring-up intimidation tactic (which is true). This rhetorically retarded red-herring strategy is the same retarded thing you do whenever you try to derail threads with something Trump said, and even when we engage with a direct quotation (you supplied no quotation in this context), you just reject all explanations anyways. So engage with the actual video, you faggot. No one here said shit about "gun out" so get fucked and argue with the person who said that wherever the fuck they said it. Fucking idiot. [Habebe]: "If you don't like it, change the constitution." Did the Founding Fathers who used pen names and wore masks at the Boston Tea Party violate the Constitution, you retard? [Habebe]: "the laws seem clear they must identify themselves." You've basically invented this law based on TikTok memes. ICE agents have to identify that they work with ICE. They do not have to tell people their names or show their faces. Even regular police officers are barely required to present their badge numbers and name tags when in certain operations. Do you think SWAT Team members breach homes while yelling, "L.A. PD SWAT! I am Officer John Smith! I live at 12345 L.A. Shithole! You can find me during off hours from 7pm to 4am, Monday through Friday! Murder me if you're a leftist!" Stop being retarded, retard. Leftists telling you about some Constitutional violation are fucking lying to you.
Seb rank	Sat Jan 24 23:44:50 "As CC mentioned, there are groups that are actively doxing every officer they can" How is it possible to dox a public official? Their identity as an officer is *supposed* to be public, its on their badge/ warrant card whatever it is you call it. For accountability.
Seb rank	Sat Jan 24 23:46:03 Rugian literally arguing for secret police: folks that can turn up, unidentifiable, unaccountable, and commit violence with impunity because nobody can say who, exactly, it was that did it.
tumbleweed rank	Sat Jan 24 23:56:36 "So engage with the actual video, you faggot. No one here said shit about "gun out" so get fucked and argue with the person who said that" yeah, the actual video doesn't appear to show him ever holding or reaching for a gun... there, done you claim 'squaring up', you claim a reach (i don't see a reach)... if he never had his hand on the gun (or at least clear reach for it w/ reasonable chance of success) then unwarranted shooting you people decide (when convenient) if you resist arrest you can be shot dead but if this was under a Dem administration, & the dead guy a cultist/rancher, your view would be different (and the regime LYING is massively relevant)
Forwyn rank	Sat Jan 24 23:59:58 "Rugian literally arguing for secret police" Seb gets more retarded by the day. He unironically thinks that identifying yourself as an ICE agent means what CC said in quotations lmfao Fucking braindead
tumbleweed rank	Sun Jan 25 00:28:35 another video, now proving yet again, this admin just being disgusting liars https://x.com/Stephen_Trades1/status/2015176831163367481 goon is shoving women, the murder victim trying to intervene (non-violently), phone in one hand, other hand raised above head... gets sprayed in face & ganged up on then shot (then there's speculation that the gun the guy in gray carrying away was the guy's gun, thus more indication he wasn't a threat when shot) but outside of speculation, he definitely did not 'approach' goons with his gun out, & ridiculous to claim his motive was to massacre law enforcement (& ridiculous to be even speculating at all w/o any investigation) this DOJ a total joke across the board
Cherub Cow rank	Sun Jan 25 00:30:10 [Sebfaggot]:: "How is it possible to dox a public official? Their identity as an officer is *supposed* to be public, its on their badge/ warrant card whatever it is you call it. For accountability." Here this faggot goes with his subversions. When sebgul defends something, you know it advances anti-Whiteism and anti-West psychopathy. In reality, we see leftists with hundreds of thousands of followers such as the Krassenstein Brothers actively doxxing people while using rhetorical tricks such as, "[would be a shame if people went to the home of [this guy] and murdered him]". Your game is transparent. The code is not difficult to crack. You want to kill White people and anyone who defends Western civilization, and identifying ICE agents is a way for you to do it. By opposition and as a test of a good faith principle, "accountability" (which sebgul cynically hides behind) is easily achieved through internal processes. No one doubts that an officer involved in a shooting would be identifiable to the lawyers involved on behalf of the person shot. Thus, what sebgul and the psychopathic left are *actually* asking for is for the officers to be identified for a elftist guillotine mob's extrajudicial murders. *That* is the purpose. A mob can deliver no other type of justice. [tumblefaggot]: "yeah, the actual video doesn't appear to show him ever holding or reaching for a gun... there, done" [tumblefaggot]: "you claim a reach (i don't see a reach).." Finally! You engage with the video and are caught *lying* absolutely and irrevocably or else being pathetically imperceptive and unable to substantiate with time-points, as I did above. That is why this is so useful for you to steel-man and then be exposed for your failures. Above I pointed out that he absolutely reaches for something on the ground and tries to retrieve it **while fighting officers**. Now tell us what you think was so important for him to fight officers to retrieve, you retard? Was he just *pretending* to do the fumble-recovery position? Rofl. Maybe the QB palmed the ball and was setting up another receiver, retard, lol [tumblefaggot]: "you claim 'squaring up'" I don't claim, I see clearly. I am not retarded like you. I can tell when someone is squaring up for a confrontation. This is basic street smarts. Soy boy beta cucks like yourself who have never seen real conflict in person in your whole pathetic and cowardly life will perpetually tell yourselves that this behavior is indecipherable, but anyone who is not driven by the underground man's eternal impotence and cowardice can tell you the truth of it. He plants his feet squarely, keeps his shoulders square too (literally why it's called "squaring up"), and gets as close to the officer as he can without moving backwards at all. This is the adult version of "not touching, can't get mad." It's provocative behavior. Even if you've never been outside (seemingly the case with you), you can see this in a thousand fight videos and even a thousand movies where there are bar fights. It is so basic that for you to deny it is for you to admit that you are a malicious and evil liar or an imperceptive retard. [tumblefaggot]: "you people decide (when convenient) if you resist arrest you can be shot dead" Another exposition of your pathetic and flawed comprehension of causality. That claim has not been made. The *actual* claim is that *if* **while resisting** you increase your resistance to a threat of serious bodily injury or death, then indeed you can be shot dead. And that is what happened with this ICE shooting and with the SSRI shitlib shooting. You are not allowed to evade police, refuse commands to exit your vehicle, listen to your ditch-licker wife shouting, "Drive, Baby, Drive! Drive!", and drive your vehicle forward into an ICE officer and expect to ride into the sunset of Reddit Gold. That is a delusion that the Regime has perpetrated upon you to get you to die for their cause. (You are a slave.) [tumblefaggot]: "(and the regime LYING is massively relevant)" I agree. The Regime lying is indeed relevant when that is the subject. But you are wrong to think that Trump is "the Regime". I have been telling you about the Bolshevik Regime for about a decade now. *That* is the Regime. You shitlib faggots have just started adopting that phrase recently because your oligarchs caught-on to Right-wing chatter and decided to project it. They even produced a shitlib show with that as the title so that you would have some agitprop to believe in about "[muh Right-wing authoritarianism]" (Written by the jewish Stephen Frears! What a shock! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Regime_(miniseries) ). As for your steel-man, you still have to *quote* such claims, and it is still rhetorically retarded of you to expect people to defend someone else's words rather than the reality or their own words, you fucking idiot. This is why, again, I have to point out that you have always been in over your head with regards to politics. You have zero foundation in rhetoric and have no aversion to logical fallacies and thus commit them readily and fall for all of the Regime's deceptions. You are too stupid to enter politics and would be better disengaging completely and never voting. That is your nature as a slave, and all of your type should be likewise disenfranchised until or unless you can demonstrate that you are willing to fight on behalf of the state that you currently despise and are committing treason against. Only people strong enough to fight for the truth are capable of standing on behalf of it rather than caving to conformist mobs as you do.
tumbleweed rank	Sun Jan 25 00:30:13 & Noem now spreading bullshit live at this moment at a press conference... w/ the complete bullshit that he "approached" officers w/ gun & they were trying to disarm him... total fucking bullshit w/ video proof, yet again
tumbleweed rank	Sun Jan 25 00:36:27 video for CC who may have missed the post while typing the nonsense https://x.com/Stephen_Trades1/status/2015176831163367481 goon shoving women unnecessarily, murder victim tries to put himself in way, sprayed, tackled, shot, no gun
tumbleweed rank	Sun Jan 25 00:45:24 and now Noem, of course, claims he was a domestic terrorist, "that's the facts" so fucking scary... a completely corrupt DOJ in every leadership position...
tumbleweed rank	Sun Jan 25 00:48:57 and her insisting '-he- attacked them' ignore the video of him merely shielding his eyes from unwarranted spray... that's him 'attacking'...
Cherub Cow rank	Sun Jan 25 01:04:13 *"for a [leftist] guillotine mob's extrajudicial murders." [tumblefaggot]: "the complete bullshit that he "approached" officers w/ gun" Further proof of your rhetorical incompetence. The way that you just phrased this is actually *true*, since he did indeed approach with a gun. Those two statements are *true*, you realize? 1) He did in fact approach ICE 2) He did in fact have a gun What you seem to *think* you're saying is that he approached with a "gun *drawn*". Do you realize the difference? [tumblefaggot]: "and now Noem, of course, claims he was a domestic terrorist, "that's the facts"" And this is absolutely correct. I have explained this to you before. You are a subverted leftist and are thus a domestic terrorist. This is definitionally true. You hate America, you hate the West, you hate White people, you want all of it to end. The very principle of the subverted left is that the West was founded on "bad thing" and that only by destroying "bad thing" can "good thing" happen. Regardless of what you think of "bad thing", the fact is that if you insist on destroying the foundations of a nation then you are destroying that nation. That will to destroy this nation is your operating principle. Thus, you are indeed a domestic terrorist. These people who show up at ICE protests as agitators are intentionally committing insurrection by stopping ICE from the very actions which are designed to save the nation — most obviously ICE's ability to defend this nation's borders and remove foreigners, criminals, and invaders. You support the presence of foreigners, criminals, and invaders because you are a traitor and a domestic terrorist. You should be disenfranchised at a minimum. [tumblefaggot]: "and her insisting '-he- attacked them'" He did indeed attack the ICE officer. Do not put your fucking hands on a federal agent if you don't want to get fucked up, retard. Don't listen to Acyn, Rupar, or your psychosis leftist accounts on this or you will get martyred for a bunch of your fellow psychopaths. Do not be retarded. Do not let the psychosis left get you killed. They are lying to you. ... Let's look at tumblefag's link: https://x.com/Stephen_Trades1/status/2015176831163367481 Tumblefag just posted this yet what details did he fail to see due to his cult dogma? • First 6 seconds: ICE agent has begun correctly removing these agitators from the street. Rather than comply and fall back, they re-assert their positions by re-approaching the ICE officer. This is obstruction. This is confrontational behavior. • 11 seconds: Grey/White-jacket agitator puts his hands on this ICE agent after following and approaching him from the rear and side. Very dangerous behavior to following someone in their blind spot. Asking for a beating behavior. • 13 seconds: ICE officer correctly pushes this Grey/White jacket agitator back after this agitator has put his hands on the ICE officer. The future-dead agitator then does the same, approaching from the side and putting his hands on the ICE officer. Very fucking retarded and dangerous behavior. At this point all bets are off. • 15 seconds: future-dead agitator throws up his hand in front of the ICE officer's face to block him from Grey/White-jacket agitator, then is properly sprayed for his illegal activities. • 16 seconds: future-dead agitator seems to reach for his waistband while maybe stabilizing himself on Grey/White-jacket agitator, who is on the ground. • 24 seconds: woman agitator re-attacks the ICE officers while reaching for the Grey/White jacket agitator, apparently thinking that she can just help her fellow criminals without repercussions. Very stupid fucking behavior. We see this often with these insurrectionist types. They'll even sometimes pretend to be medics so that they can remove their fellow criminals as a kind of child's "time out" deception. • 27 seconds: future-dead agitator now in the fumble-recover pose, grabbing at something on the ground. • 31 seconds: future-dead agitator stabilizes himself with his right hand and reaches down with his left hand. • 31–34 seconds: blue-sweater ICE agent spots something and tries to remove it from the ground • 35–38 seconds: ICE agent from the other video (grey coat, brown pants; above as "At about 17 seconds, the agent") also visible in this angle as having spotted something on the ground or in future-dead agitator's possession which he attempts to retrieve. He seems to realize that future-dead agitator has gained possession of it, so the ICE agent begins drawing his pistol. • Video ruined after this point by the user's zoom-and-pan. For the record, regarding this pistol are two important points: 1) this possibly removed pistol is black, so it may have been an officer's, since the pistol shown by ICE to belong to the subject had a brown slide and white pistol grip. Even so, 2) the future-dead agitator was still resisting arrest, had presented a pistol, and was still resisting arrest after it was clear that he had a pistol. All bets are off at this point, since even if one officer were removing the pistol, that fact may have been unknown to the officer(s) who were firing (i.e., only their own perception of the event is relevant in their actions; their actions are reasonable from what they knew). When you become an outlaw, very little action cannot be used against you. The trick is to not be an insurrectionist in the first place. • If you insist on bringing a pistol to an ICE raid, don't square up with ICE officers. • If you insist on squaring up with ICE officers, don't put your fucking hands on them. • If you insist on fighting ICE officers, maybe fucking don't. • If you insist on resisting arrest, maybe fucking don't. • If you insist on trying to retrieve your pistol during a fight with ICE officers, maybe fucking don't. • If you hide your hands from ICE officers after they've seen that you have a pistol, maybe fucking don't. Maybe show them your hands, you fucking retard.
tumbleweed rank	Sun Jan 25 01:15:11 " What you seem to *think* you're saying is that he approached with a "gun *drawn*". Do you realize the difference? " so any lawful concealed carry people should be shot by officers if they approach? -obviously- the head-to-toe corrupt DOJ is trying to make people think the gun was out, plus why would they 'attempt to disarm' him, unless it was out... the claim 'he approached w/ gun, they attempted to disarm' but even in latest video he's not 'approaching', he's trying to protect a woman from a goon who is shoving & spraying unnecessarily, that woman isn't unlawfully in the street the fact you'd defend 'domestic terrorist' shows you are insane (for the nth time)
tumbleweed rank	Sun Jan 25 01:21:57 Noem (just recently, well after incident & these videos out) "An individual approached order Patrol officers with a 9mm semi-automatic gun. The officers attempted to disarm this individual, but the armed suspect reacted violently. Fearing for his life, an agent fired defensive shots... ... This looks like a situation where an individual arrived to inflict maximum damage and kill law enforcement" complete bullshit deliberate deception fully disingenuous theory of motive the DOJ deception is more important than the shooting itself
Cherub Cow rank	Sun Jan 25 01:36:31 [CC]: "What you seem to *think* you're saying is that he approached with a "gun *drawn*". Do you realize the difference?" [tumblefaggot]: "so any lawful concealed carry people should be shot by officers if they approach?" You couldn't even stick to the point. You're retarded. The slavish left will always roll from one error to another. You're just a jelly-like slime that slips through the fingers and congeals in a pool for your next deception. [tumblefaggot]: "but even in latest video he's not 'approaching'," False. He approaches and puts his hands on the ICE agent. You're just lying. [tumblefaggot]: "he's trying to protect a woman from a goon" That's called obstruction, retard. If a criminal is being arrested or pushed back, random bystanders don't just get to interfere. You get the fuck out of the way. If he really wanted to help, he'd coach her to shut the fuck up and back the fuck up. If, on the other hand, you're a fellow insurrectionist, it would make sense to defend fellow criminals from just prosecution, which is what happened there. You can't even pretend *not* to be an insurrectionist, you're so fucking deep in this ideological subversion. [tumblefag quoting]: """An individual approached order Patrol officers with a 9mm semi-automatic gun. The officers attempted to disarm this individual, but the armed suspect reacted violently. Fearing for his life, an agent fired defensive shots..." Let's examine each claim: • "An individual approached order Patrol officers" Absolutely correct. He did in fact approach officers. • "with a 9mm semi-automatic gun" Absolutely correct. He did indeed have a 9mm pistol in his possession. • "The officers attempted to disarm this individual" Absolutely correct. Officers did indeed identify a pistol and attempted to remove it. • "but the armed suspect reacted violently" Absolutely correct. The suspect did indeed react violently, resisting arrest, fighting, putting his hands on ICE agents, withdrawing his hands, pushing, etc. • "Fearing for his life, an agent fired defensive shots" We haven't heard the agent's statement, but this state-of-mind seems a correct reflection of what we saw in the video: the agent identified a pistol, lost sight of the suspect's hands, and could indeed have a reasonable suspicion that the suspect was preparing to shoot. Very reasonable. This is a very defensible statement. ......... "The man who was shot and killed by federal agents identified as 37-year-old Alex Jeffrey Pretti of South Minneapolis, Minnesota." https://x.com/AZ_Intel_/status/2015153322685010427 Oy vey! Unuddah shoah! Why would this fine schmuck do an agitation? The jew has so rarely participated in and coordinated insurrections in the West! There's no precedent for this! ;D
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