Utopia Talk / Politics / He was a VA Nurse helping someone up

Dukhat rank	Sat Jan 24 22:03:29 Then they pinned him down and shot him in the back. And pieces of shit like Sam ran online right away to repeat Trump and far-right lies. Forwyn was busy slurping on the huge half-decomposed Charlie Kirk Cock of lies.
Dukhat rank	Sat Jan 24 22:18:25 Literally everything Sam posted was a lie.
Dukhat rank	Sun Jan 25 02:14:10 TTT Did more to help people than Sam or Foreskin ever did. Did you know that Foreskin considers people like this subhuman? His brain had to go to CherubCows length to make such a fucking stupid argument but he still did.
Sam Adams rank	Sun Jan 25 04:40:47 Larping as a revolutionary and then bringing a gun to start shit with heavily armed feds who are extremely tense because left wing retards keep promising to shoot them. Lol 1 less moron in the gene pool. Next.
Dukhat rank	Sun Jan 25 05:37:30 He has a right to carry arms. The 2nd amemdnment isn't just for right-wing retards.
Forwyn rank	Sun Jan 25 07:06:23 I wonder if the dead retard realized that carrying a weapon to these protests serves two functions: a) larping b) murder-suicide on cops/feds The in-between of "peacefully" obstructing while armed just gets your ass shot, with zero points. lmao
Forwyn rank	Sun Jan 25 07:07:04 Dead retard: 0 ICE boi: 1
Dukhat rank	Sun Jan 25 07:12:54 They already took away his gun. You're just grasping at straws bootlicker.
Sam Adams rank	Sun Jan 25 08:46:11 Bro thought he was going to be a hero of socialist labor and get all of them purple hair fatties for himself. Instead he got thrown to the floor, his gun taken, and shot. Lmfao. You gotta admit cuckhat that taking a gun to a violent and tense confrontation with people you have been threatening is either 1) a clear indication you want to use the gun or 2) just retarded. Either way I could really care less that this retard died. If you need to feel bad for actual innocent's, about 25 people are killed by left wing pro crime policies daily(though most are criminal negros a few innocent die each day.) 100 Americans died in car crashes today a third of whom are innocent. 18,000 real freedom fighters just got shot by Iran. 2000 Americans died of cancer today alone, almost all of whom were innocent. Plenty of non-retards to feel sorry for. I don't get why you get your panties in a twist over these MSP larpers.
murder rank	Sun Jan 25 09:04:30 They will play the victim when people start shooting back. -
Hrothgar rank	Sun Jan 25 09:35:17 You can always find the truth to right/wrong politic situations by asking yourself a simple question: "Would I still fill this way, if the same things happened while the party I hate was in power and ordering it"? It's bloody obvious if we had the same situations playing out but it was Obama in office and ICE killing Americans in Texas, all of you Trump humpers would shitting yourselves with rage. So, please. Spare us the excuses and fake ass justifications. Just admit, you like seeing cruelty on your fellow Americans as long as it's not happening to you. You've all lost your souls to hate and rage.
FREAK NATION rank	Sun Jan 25 10:05:07 https://x.com/MorganGodvin/status/2015157162327089157 Schrödinger’s Second Amendment: - Guns are a mandatory prerequisite for the government to respect your rights. - Guns immediately invalidate your rights and the government can execute you on the spot if you have one.
FREAK NATION rank	Sun Jan 25 10:07:10 https://x.com/brianstelter/status/2015224006266212714 A statement from the family of Alex Pretti, obtained by CNN: "We are heartbroken but also very angry. Alex was a kindhearted soul who cared deeply for his family and friends and also the American veterans whom he cared for as an ICU nurse at the Minneapolis VA hospital. Alex wanted to make a difference in this world. Unfortunately he will not be with us to see his impact. I do not throw around the hero term lightly. However his last thought and act was to protect a woman. The sickening lies told about our son by the administration are reprehensible and disgusting. Alex is clearly not holding a gun when attacked by Trump’s murdering and cowardly ICE thugs. He has his phone in his right hand and his empty left hand is raised above his head while trying to protect the woman ICE just pushed down all while being pepper sprayed. Please get the truth out about our son. He was a good man. Thank you."
FREAK NATION rank	Sun Jan 25 10:44:45 https://x.com/BlueBadger2600/status/2015086695566451161 Positions ICE has taken: - We can enter your home without a warrant - You must carry your papers at all times - But we can ignore them and only our scanner matters - We can detain you anywhere, no matter your age, situation or status - Indefinitely with no access to a lawyer - And basically no right to a day in court - We can send you to a third world prison if we choose - But we can’t bring you back if we made a mistake - And if you interfere with any of this we can shoot you because you are a terrorist How is this not a recipe for totalitarianism?
Seb rank	Sun Jan 25 13:12:29 Forwyn: That's not what you said when Rittenhouse illegally took a firearm to a protest in exactly the same circumstances.
Rugian rank	Sun Jan 25 13:34:14 Rittenhouse didn't get into a physical fight with the police...
jergul rank	Sun Jan 25 13:43:36 He was not attacked by the police you mean.
Dukhat rank	Sun Jan 25 13:44:34 The police (mostly) follow the rules and don’t brazenly touch and harass citizens like ice thugs …
Paramount rank	Sun Jan 25 13:47:47 ”He was a good man.” That’s what all mothers say, and it’s a biased opinion. Only a court of law can determine whether he was a good man or not.
Rugian rank	Sun Jan 25 14:12:00 Jergul Legally, you are correct. Pretti did nothing to justify his shooting, and his shooter probably should be facing criminal charges over this. Still...play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Pretti participated in a demonstration against a legal law enforcement operation, then he decided to involve himself in an altercation between the agents and another protestor, and then he fought back when the agents attempt to subdue him. Again, legally Pretti did nothing to warrant his death. At the same time, he was actively putting himself into the situation that led to his demise.
Seb rank	Sun Jan 25 15:01:36 Rugian: No, he shot someone with a gun he wasn't legally allowed to possess. And Pretti didn't "get into a fight with the police", they attacked him while he was helping up a woman who'd been unnecessarily shoved over. They sprayed in the face with mace, then pinned on his back, beaten repeatedly and then shot *after* he was disarmed; in what looks premeditated (the guy that disarmed him appears to fire the gun at the floor while walking away, you can see it jerk as the first shot was fired). You've repeatedly defended the right to bear arms against a tyrannical govt. Now you have anonymous armed thugs committing extrajudicial killings on your streets to intimidate their opponents while the govt that sent them there to do that lies about it, establishing their complicity, and you are justifying the state in these extrajudicial killings. Ostensibly, you've been tolerating these dead kids for decades for the citizenry to have guns *precisely* to protect themselves when protesting an authoritarian govt; and now you are saying actually, they are a reason to disregard the holders rights and justify their own killings. Do you see why people have a hard time taking you at all seriously?
Rugian rank	Sun Jan 25 15:13:07 Seb He shot someone in the clearest case of self-defense that one could imagine. "they attacked him while he was helping up a woman who'd been unnecessarily shoved over" Thanks for agreeing with me. He got into a fight with the police. Or is your position now that any yahoo on the street can freely insert themselves into an altercation between LEOs and suspects? You'll note I said absolutely nothing about Pretti having a gun. The gun is irrelevant. I also already said that the shooter should probably face charges for an unjustified shooting. Really, we agree on what happened here, except for the fact that you think that Pretti did nothing stupid that raised the odds of something bad happening to him. In that, you're being unreasonable. Dont fuck with police operations.
Paramount rank	Sun Jan 25 15:24:06 Maybe the woman was a terrorist, like the other woman was? The innocent man was shot because she was using him as a human shield?
Rugian rank	Sun Jan 25 15:24:35 I should add that I disagree with your premise that ICE raids to round up and deport illegal immigrants are an example of authoritarian government. This isn't one of those "depends on how you look at it" situations. A country has an absolute right to determine who is allowed to cross its national borders, and people who violate those laws are subject to forcible removal. Period. End of story. No further discussion to be had.
Seb rank	Sun Jan 25 15:44:55 Rugian: Rittenhouse was chased because, brandishing an illegal weapon, misidentified as being the person who had just fired a shot, by people acting in their own self defense. Having illegally bought a gun, "He got into a fight with the police." No, he didn't. The agent shoved the woman over, then stepped back, he stepped in to help her up and the agent then attacked him. We have videos of him then, hands raised being walked back, him peacefully. They attacked him. He didn't "get into a fight". And indeed the agents shove appears to be assault in any case. "I also already said that the shooter should probably face charges for an unjustified shooting." The entire organisation should be disbanded and replaced. "A country has an absolute right to determine who is allowed to cross its national borders, and people who violate those laws are subject to forcible removal. Period." Firstly no, not period. Other laws and rights also apply, you can't just cite one imperative and say it supercedes everything else. We all know very well that's not what is happening. We have multiple examples of them detaining citizens, of them removing people with a legal right to stay, ignoring court orders, targeting people purely based on skin colour. Anyone with half a brain can spot a pretext: this is straight up attempt at intimidation. You've even posted your own thread where it's clear the operation is being used to extract political concessions.
Seb rank	Sun Jan 25 15:48:31 You also have the govt wrongly training this organisation that they have the right to conduct searches without a warrant and use violence if these illegal warrantless searches are resisted. This is straight up the kind of shit the British did to the US colonies. Use the pretext if customs violations to beat the shit out of anyone protesting and let them know they could find themselves the wrong end of a noose.
patom rank	Sun Jan 25 16:04:18 Hasn't ICE complained that local law enforcement isn't co-operating with them? Maybe State and local law enforcement should accompany ALL ICE expeditions to record their actions and any justifications for rounding up individuals. Take over investigations immediately when there is a killing.
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