Utopia Talk / Politics / Republican take over of elections

patom rank	Wed Feb 04 12:15:20 So who on these boards is in favor?
Rugian rank	Wed Feb 04 15:20:21 I rmemeber when Republicans opposed the federalization of state elections, with regards to the VRA, For the People Act, John Lewis Act, etc. Republicans do have a good argument for voter ID - it's a no-brainer measure and the public overwhelmingly supports it. But as usual, Trump has twisted the issue in the worst manner possible, sounding like a Democrat in wanting to nationalize elections, and all because he still thinks he won in 2020. Bad.
Sam Adams rank	Wed Feb 04 15:36:52 Why are democrats so insistent on not checking id for voting I wonder?
williamthebastard rank	Wed Feb 04 15:44:36 It must be this laughably stupid and utterly unbelievable fantasy you lot lie about that dems want to lose all their jobs to murderous rapists, huh
jergul rank	Wed Feb 04 15:46:21 Because it acts as voter suppression in the US. That is why. The problem the republicans are trying to fix is democratic voters voting. Actual fraudulent votes are not a problem. Goodness knows you have tried to find examples of that hapening.
williamthebastard rank	Wed Feb 04 15:46:55 "Yes, I want my country to be filled with murderous rapists so that I will lose my job to them and become homeless and starving while my wife, sister and daughter get raped" - the unbelievably stupid theory that the Psycho Psams actually pretend that half the USA goes around thinking
Forwyn rank	Wed Feb 04 17:49:38 "it acts as voter suppression in the US." No. Retards argue that it does, because they pretend that other functionally retarded adults cannot obtain free ID because of their skin color.
Forwyn rank	Wed Feb 04 17:57:18 "Yes, I want my country to be filled with murderous rapists so that I will lose my job to them and become homeless and starving while my wife, sister and daughter get raped" - Alex Pretti, seething with rage at Hispanic officers over Somali fraudsters
patom rank	Wed Feb 04 18:17:21 All this was argued in last years push to make voter ID mandatory. I assume that most of you on here are males. There I go assuming again. One problem arises if you are female and don't have a birth certificate that matches your current name, you stand a chance of not being allowed to vote or possibly obtaining a 'real ID'. There are lots of women who have been married more than once and changed their name. A common problem will be those that change their address often, (usually poor people), who the Republicans don't want voting. The more difficult they can make it to vote the fewer poor people will be able to jump through all the hoops. Change of address means you have to re-register to vote and supply all the ID required. Here in Maine, when you register to vote, you have to supply proof of residency (mail addressed to you at your current address. Valid drivers license and in my case I have a passport card which is good. In other words I have already been proven to be who I am and live where I do. Fortunately I live in a town with only 1 polling station. They won't be moving my polling station to the other side of a large city where it will be difficult to reach in a timely manner. I'll ask you the same question I asked many times in the comments section of my Newspaper. Please publish all the names and court actions taken against illegal or fraudulent voters. I never once got a response with the information.
patom rank	Wed Feb 04 18:19:28 BTW that referendum to require Voter ID was rejected in the November election.
pillz rank	Wed Feb 04 18:54:16 You have to show ID to vote in Canada, or at least show a valid voter form, which you can only get as a citizen jergul is lying again, pretending that proof of citizenship is discriminatory or that this iwll be used to suppress voters. meanwhile we have months of dems confessing that voter ID would prevent their illegal voters from voting and thats the only reason they oppose it (or ICE) jergul, seb, wtb, and cuckhat need to be arrested executed for their constant lying
patom rank	Wed Feb 04 19:58:38 pillz, show me all or any of the people convicted of voting illegally. It should be easy for you to come up with the millions that Trump claims. You can't have that many without someone bragging or ratting out others.
Forwyn rank	Wed Feb 04 20:21:28 As previously established, 19 states + DC explicitly issues licenses and IDs to the undocumented. Cross-referencing this with residency status is a nightmare, especially at scale. Basic safeguards should not require proof of mass fraud, they should be the default. This is such a fundamental building block of a representative democracy that if you can't agree on it, you are functionally retarded and your suffrage should be forcibly revoked. Get a fucking ID. They're free.
Habebe rank	Wed Feb 04 22:10:18 "Wed Feb 04 15:46:21 Because it acts as voter suppression in the US. That is why. The problem the republicans are trying to fix is democratic voters voting." Jergul, HOW! everyone has ID, either a drivers license or a non drivers license, literally I have both, along with a birth certificate and an SS card (which they say is not ID, but often require it to ID you) Homeless ppl can literally get free non drivers licenses. The dems will act like millions of people cant get ID because they are black, I don't know anyone who doesn't have an ID, and I live in Philly, so plenty of black people.
Habebe rank	Wed Feb 04 22:16:58 Why do so many European nations require ID to vote?
Sam Adams rank	Wed Feb 04 22:44:13 They must be rayciss
patom rank	Wed Feb 04 23:36:49 Forwyn, it's not cheap if you have to lose a days work sitting in a DMV waiting room to get a new license if you move. If they get this through before November there will be a ton of people who won't be able to jump through all the hoops the Republicans will throw at them. It is pure and simple voter suppression.
Habebe rank	Wed Feb 04 23:50:25 Who has a job WITHOUT ID? All legitimate jobs make you show ID and SS card.
Dukhat rank	Thu Feb 05 02:57:25 Forwyn is so fucking stupid. If they had been able to prove even one case of fraud, Republicans would have forced the issue nationwide easily. They have barely been able to find any cases and the vast majority of cases have been MAGA trying to cheat the system by double voting or worse. All these fucking facebook armchair generals like Foreskin think they have some kind of special knowledge when they're the dumbest fucking pieces of shit known to mankind.
murder rank	Thu Feb 05 04:00:25 "No. Retards argue that it does, because they pretend that other functionally retarded adults cannot obtain free ID because of their skin color." So provide it. No Democrat is stopping government from providing every citizen and resident with a free state ID. -
jergul rank	Thu Feb 05 08:31:41 Hababe Hang out with more retired people. You know, the voter block that actually votes.
jergul rank	Thu Feb 05 08:34:34 I think people imagine ID is to supress 100& of democratic voters. Its not. Whittle away 10% here and 10% there and the GOP is golden.
jergul rank	Thu Feb 05 08:42:22 Pillz What is you position on needing an ID to legally own a firearm?
Seb rank	Thu Feb 05 08:57:53 Habebe: In those European countries, citizen ID is both mandatory (i.e. not for voting, you have to have an id card) and free. Blame Napoleon. This is rather different from having things that some people will find difficult or unnecessary to get that can function as ID which people may only need to vote.
patom rank	Thu Feb 05 12:30:32 Habebe, If you move and have a change of address you will need to replace your IDs, drivers license, voter ID card etc. etc. and every other loophole the Republicans will throw at you. If you don't jump through all the hoops they will likely deny you the right to vote. Especially if you are not a registered Republican. Thus the demand for voter rolls.
Forwyn rank	Thu Feb 05 15:55:27 "No Democrat is stopping government from providing every citizen and resident with a free state ID." We've discussed this previously. Virtually every state provides free ID, including all of the evil red states. But retards keep repeating the lie until European retards repeat it, and you circle-jerk incessantly about muhhhh free ID. They already are.
Pillz rank	Thu Feb 05 17:00:32 Jergul How can you legally own a firearm without ID, given that felons, illegals, and minors can not purchase/own them? Its a protected constitutional right, ID a non issue. Better and more analogous question would be how do I feel about government registry of firearms for the purpose of totalitarian confiscation programs - which is closer to the irrational fear you faggots seem to have with regards to voter suppression or retribution. But we don't keep records of how people have voted and we afford them their legal right to vote. So no record of who people voted for No record of what guns people own ID required for both fundamental rights to ensure they're being bestowed upon only those entitles to those rights.
jergul rank	Thu Feb 05 17:09:13 You can be gifted a gun for example. The correct question would be "how would you feel about a gun registry with the purpose of reducing the number of GOP voters with guns by 5?". The whole "voter fraud" is a red herring. The purpose is voter suppression.
jergul rank	Thu Feb 05 17:10:12 5%?
Pillz rank	Thu Feb 05 17:10:17 You're retarded, be better or stop being.
patom rank	Thu Feb 05 17:15:47 Pillz- " But we don't keep records of how people have voted and we afford them their legal right to vote." I volunteered as a phone caller in several elections. In each I was given lists of probable Democratic voters. I wonder how they got those? Assuming the Republicans have lists of probable Republican voters.
jergul rank	Thu Feb 05 17:23:56 Pillz After you. Almost certainly :).
jergul rank	Thu Feb 05 17:29:27 It is amazing to me how naive people have to be. Useful idiots come to mind. Strategies are not always ideological. Quite often, it is about winning. Voter ID is a GOP issue specifically because it removes more democratic voters than it does GOP voters. Why do we know this? Because voter fraud is virtually non-existent under current rules.
patom rank	Thu Feb 05 17:43:20 If there is voter fraud, I'm quite comfortable Pillz and company would be giving us examples.
Pillz rank	Thu Feb 05 17:54:50 Patom - they got those because they were registered democrats I assume Again, his doesn't mean anything for voter suppression. Parties shouldn't be sharing their member lists with state or federal government... Their caucases should be closed and managed by the party as those aren't elections
Pillz rank	Thu Feb 05 17:55:21 Primaries whatever you call them
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