Utopia Talk / Politics / "self-growing city" on the moon by 2036

murder rank	Mon Feb 09 14:04:42 SpaceX prioritizes lunar 'self-growing city' over Mars project, Musk says Elon Musk said on Sunday that SpaceX has shifted its focus to building a "self‑growing city" on the moon, which could be achieved in less than 10 years. SpaceX still intends to start on Musk's long-held ambition of a city on Mars within five to seven years, he wrote on his X social media platform, "but the overriding priority is securing the future of civilization and the Moon is faster." Musk's comments echo a Wall Street Journal report on Friday, stating that SpaceX has told investors it would prioritize going to the moon and attempt a trip to Mars at a later time, targeting March 2027 for an uncrewed lunar landing. As recently as last year, Musk said that he aimed to send an uncrewed mission to Mars by the end of 2026. The U.S. faces intense competition from China in the race to return humans to the moon this decade. Humans have not visited the lunar surface since the Apollo 17 mission in 1972. Less than a week ago, Musk announced that SpaceX acquired the artificial intelligence company he also leads, xAI, in a deal that values the rocket and satellite company at $1 trillion and the artificial intelligence outfit at $250 billion. Proponents of the move view it as a way for SpaceX to bolster its plans for space-based data centers, which Musk sees as more energy efficient than terrestrial facilities as the demand for compute power soars with AI development. SpaceX is hoping a public offering later this year could raise as much as $50 billion, which could make it the largest public offering in history. On Monday, Musk said in response to a user on X that NASA will constitute less than 5% of SpaceX's revenue this year. SpaceX is a core contractor in NASA's Artemis moon program with a $4 billion contract to land astronauts on the lunar surface using Starship. "Vast majority of SpaceX revenue is the commercial Starlink system," Musk added. Earlier on Sunday, Musk shared the company's first Super Bowl ad, promoting its Starlink Wi-Fi service. Even as Musk reorients SpaceX, he is also pushing his publicly traded company, Tesla, in a new direction. After virtually building the global electric vehicles market, Tesla is now planning to spend $20 billion this year as part of an effort to pivot to autonomous driving and robots. To speed up the shift, Musk said last month Tesla is ending production of two car models at its California factory to make room for manufacturing its Optimus humanoid robots. https://ww...-growing-city-moon-2026-02-08/
Sam Adams rank	Mon Feb 09 19:11:01 Sigh
murder rank	Tue Feb 10 01:00:11 Well you can't be surprised that he was/is full of shit. It's kind of his thing. -
murder rank	Tue Feb 10 01:20:27 My favorite part ... “For those unaware, SpaceX has already shifted focus to building a self-growing city on the Moon, as we can potentially achieve that in less than 10 years, whereas Mars would take 20+ years,” Musk wrote, in part. 20+ years for Mars? Really? I could have sworn that was right around the corner and just over the next hill. Full of shit 24/7/365 -
Habebe rank	Tue Feb 10 01:51:28 Ive long argued we need a moon base. You can bitxh and moan about the time frame, but he is clearly building the foundation for further colonising space. 1. SpaceX 2. AI 3. Robots 4. Boring company 5. Tesla/solar All comes together to start a self building city on the moon/mars.
murder rank	Tue Feb 10 02:30:59 There is no foundation. There will be no colonizing of space. The human body has evolved to live in this little bubble and nowhere else in the universe. The expense to even play at space colonization is ... if you'll pardon the pun ... astronomical. It makes no sense for humans to spend trillions of dollars building space infrastructure to then genetically modify humans into something other than human so they can survive on other worlds. We may as well just set all of our money on fire. And that's before we even get to the new species deciding to genocide us so we can't compete for resources with them. -
jergul rank	Tue Feb 10 02:39:55 Murder That is quite similar to what I have posted here several times when the Muskin fanboys too over the top. I am pleased you think similarly.
jergul rank	Tue Feb 10 02:45:41 Hababe The lifeboat fallacy is a contradiction. Anyone leaving earth to save humanity from extinction events on earth will obvously need to eliminate the greatest threat to the lifeboat itself. Namely humanity remaining behind. And what is the moral cost if the fallacy is that humans on earth are doomed anyway, so why does the timing and method of earth extinction matter?
Sam Adams rank	Tue Feb 10 03:31:19 Jergul you are both really bad at math and at morality. Anyway. From building a base point of view the moon is obviously better since you chop off all the flight time and get a bit cheaper delta v budget. Still would have liked to see humans on mars first, just to do it.
murder rank	Tue Feb 10 03:42:14 "That is quite similar to what I have posted here several times when the Muskin fanboys too over the top. I am pleased you think similarly." Yeah, Seb has made the same point too. The moment there's a civilization on Mars, Mars, the asteroid belt, and anything further out becomes their dominion and not ours. Literally the last thing we want is a civilization on Mars. -
murder rank	Tue Feb 10 03:44:47 "Still would have liked to see humans on mars first, just to do it." All that takes is volunteers and a government willing to authorize launching a one way voyage. Or I suppose you could launch from international waters. We can 100% get humans from here to there. -
williamthebastard rank	Tue Feb 10 04:14:15 He finally got sick of every noted astrophycist from Cox to Susskind laughing at the idea and saying that we'll probably never even set a single foot on Mars, eh? http://youtu.be/Voc3DCUhlao
jergul rank	Tue Feb 10 14:14:21 Sammy That is your opinion, dude. You are bad at being a human. A factual matter of record from everytime you post. As to the morality. You could not get along with your next door neighbour if he had the wrong skin colour, constantly attribute features to fellow humanbeing justifying their genocide. You think a a genetically optimized sammy in his lifeboat would hesitate for a second to get rid of the doomed, but existential threat to his plans that remained on earth? I think not.
jergul rank	Tue Feb 10 14:18:20 The correct countermove to any lifeboat off on its mission is to pre-emptively hunt it down with an ICBM immediately.
jergul rank	Tue Feb 10 14:22:02 viable lifeboat* I firmly support 1-way missions to mars. Particularly if the passenger list is optimised.
jergul rank	Tue Feb 10 14:32:17 My game theory argument kind of proves the point. A successful lifeboat entrepeneur cannot entertain the possibility that factions remaining on earth might view his plans as the threat that they actually are. His plans are too easy to stop at points of vulnerability. Not that I even get why anyone would cheer Musk sending his genetic material off into space in one form or another. Which is what we are actually looking at these days. Alternately the Chinese selecting for the 1% best Chinese dna in one form or another. How exactly does that perpetuate humanity as a whole, not to mention your specific dna that is so important for you to perpetuate in an evolutionary sense?
jergul rank	Tue Feb 10 14:34:36 Sammy, if it turns out that the only way humans can colonize in space is through China doing it and deciding who can go... Should that project be nuked, or are you happy that at least something originally human at least made it off the planet to perpetuate?
TheChildren rank	Tue Feb 10 14:37:31 there aint no self growin shit growin out of his toes let alone on da moon. yall idiots and morons if u think anythin is comin. we told yall da mars thing was a scam. da morons like sammies wuldnt listen. sooner or later realities comes 4 u. rofl how was he gonna transport u idiots 2 mars. he cant even fly a supaheavy with a banana in it and just like da hypaloop where u wuld pay 10 bucks and go from la to ny in 30 min and have it be soo green and soo efficient coz they invented da virbraniumz coatingz and shit... rofl do u even hear urselves
williamthebastard rank	Tue Feb 10 14:41:32 According to the general scientific community, the only thing that will perpetuate beyond earth's magnetosphere, if it somehow manages to survive all the other death traps, is massive cancer on par with being just far away enough to not being incinerated in a nuclear bomb but instead being deluged in lethal radiation
williamthebastard rank	Tue Feb 10 14:43:26 The general assumption is that anyone surviving the most optimal and shortest trip to Mars and back will arive back home with cancer
williamthebastard rank	Tue Feb 10 14:44:49 The background radiation beyond the magnetosphere is of a type that does not exist and is more lethal than any form of radiation on earth and contains larger particles such as lead than any radiation the magnetosphere allows to exist here
williamthebastard rank	Tue Feb 10 14:57:35 The notion of Musk transforming into one seething and bubbling mass of malformed cancer cells within 2 years with the nearest hospital 150 million miles away is really appealing though
williamthebastard rank	Tue Feb 10 15:19:27 This also apples to long term moon bases apparently. The longest a human has ever been outside the magnetosphere was 6 days "Why radiation didn't cause major harm Three big reasons: 1. Short exposure time They were only outside the magnetosphere for ~6 days. 2. Solar minimum timing Apollo missions flew during low solar activity, reducing radiation risk. 3. Incredible luck They avoided major solar particle events. A large solar storm during transit could have delivered lethal doses. A massive solar flare occurred: August 1972 — between Apollo 16 and Apollo 17 Had astronauts been in deep space then: Dose could have reached 1–4 sieverts This means fatal radiation poisoning This event dramatically changed future space radiation planning. Big takeaway Apollo astronauts proved: Short human exposure beyond Earth’s magnetosphere is survivable. But: Long-duration missions (Moon bases, Mars travel) are a completely different risk category."
TheChildren rank	Tue Feb 10 15:59:18 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B71PNEwhyXc rockieman goes ZOOOOOOOMMMM!!!! mars 2026 yall! ZOOOOOOMMMMMMM
Average Ameriacn rank	Tue Feb 10 16:16:43 If Elon and Trump work together, then it will happen! But to do that, Elon needs to rein in his ego. He needs to realize that the first city on the moon will be called Trump City. And that the spaceport will be called Trump Spaceport. And that the first hospital will be called Trump Hospital, and so on.
jergul rank	Tue Feb 10 16:43:24 WtB Cyborg fosterage of frozen, but shielded embryoes is probably what Musk is thinking long term.
jergul rank	Tue Feb 10 16:45:23 Or just cut out the biological element and upload facsimile's of select personalities and pretend that is both human and immortal.
jergul rank	Tue Feb 10 16:45:45 facsimiles
murder rank	Tue Feb 10 17:20:31 "As to the morality. You could not get along with your next door neighbour if he had the wrong skin colour, constantly attribute features to fellow humanbeing justifying their genocide. You think a a genetically optimized sammy in his lifeboat would hesitate for a second to get rid of the doomed, but existential threat to his plans that remained on earth? I think not." Considering that we cannot get along with Canada and Denmark ... it probably doesn't bode well for friendly relations with the aliens next door. We'd create them just to decide to kill them or turn them into slave labor ... which I suppose would be the actual goal before we decided to kill each other. -
williamthebastard rank	Tue Feb 10 17:23:36 We can get along perfectly well with Canada and Denmark. Its them that cant.
jergul rank	Tue Feb 10 17:39:11 Murder There is no "we" in the creation part. Best we can hope for is a Dr. Frankenstein that at least has some kind of benign intent. More likely is some rich autist aiming for the survival of a microscopic portion of humanity selected by some set of neurodivergent criteria or another. The humane thing is simply to defund Musk to take the first example of the type. Billions and autism do not go well together.
Sam Adams rank	Tue Feb 10 17:56:56 Wtb everything you posted is wrong. The radiation levels, other than an unlucky solar flare, are not all that bad. And even then we think we have a shielding plan. Jergul everything you posted is babbling bullshit except this line "if it turns out that the only way humans can colonize in space is through China doing it" Then they will have earned it. I hate the dull unearned mooching of the common pleb and most minorities. I have no problem with high achievers. If China goes to space I will cheer them... Perhaps not as much as if my own friends are going, but I will tip my cap to anyone who can pull it off. I kind of wish China was further ahead than they are actually. Let's make this space race even more fun.
williamthebastard rank	Tue Feb 10 18:01:53 Psam "Dunning Krueger" Adams knows MUCH more than this than world famous astrophysicists, of course lol. You fucking mental patient.
williamthebastard rank	Tue Feb 10 18:08:03 Even ChatGPT literally sarastically mocks your pedophile worshipping nazi idiocy: an online troll is saying that the radiation beyond the magentosphere is not that bad. Your answer? ChatGPT said Oh, totally—cosmic radiation is just a spa treatment for your DNA. Astronauts wear heavy shielding and mission planners obsess over solar storms purely for the aesthetic. The Van Allen belts? NASA just put those there for decoration. If this user was correct, we wouldn’t be measuring increased cancer risk, DNA damage, electronics failures, and strict lifetime dose limits for astronauts. But sure, let’s trust a guy on the internet over decades of space physics, biology, and medical data. What could go wrong?
williamthebastard rank	Tue Feb 10 18:09:20 is background radiation beyond the magnetosphere more harmful than radiation on earth? Absolutely—by a huge margin. Let’s break it down carefully: [long list]
williamthebastard rank	Tue Feb 10 18:09:40 Bottom line: Radiation beyond the magnetosphere is far more harmful than anything you normally get on Earth, which is why space travel outside low Earth orbit is such a serious challenge.
williamthebastard rank	Tue Feb 10 18:10:07 You stupid fucking pedophile-worshipping nazi twat
Sam Adams rank	Tue Feb 10 18:16:45 You don't have the skill to even tell who is a skilled physicist wtb. Suffice to say the evidence... and thus all real physics professionals... have all agreed the radiation risk is manageable. It is not particularly healthy but is still healthier than the other risks, namely launch, reentry or landing, being a single point of failure away from 0 oxygen at all times, and being cooped up in a tiny low gravity environment forever. We don't know how humans will even respond to that last one.
Sam Adams rank	Tue Feb 10 18:20:40 "which is why space travel outside low Earth orbit is such a serious challenge." Wrong. It's a huge challenge because you have to go 25,000 mph. Which is insanely expensive and dangerous.
williamthebastard rank	Tue Feb 10 18:22:48 See, the Dunning Kreuger theory means that unintelligent pedo-trolls like Psychopath Psam arent in possession of the ability to understand that they are unintelligent. It takes intelligence that their brains arent built for to grasp that. That is why a reasonably intelligent person like me grasps the limits to my abilities. This is why very intelligent people like Socrates say, the only thing they know is that they know nothing. This is why idiotic anonymous pedo-trolls like Psycho Psam fantasize in their perpetual world of arrested development fantasies that they know much more about astrophysics than world renowned astronomists and AI combined. They are comical caricatures of Dunning Krueger stupidity but think they are the Supreme Race lol
Sam Adams rank	Tue Feb 10 18:26:10 You have degraded into babbling again. This is a topic you will not be able to understand. I suggest you get a glass of wine and go watch the Olympics.
williamthebastard rank	Tue Feb 10 18:26:27 "does travelling at speeds of 25,000 MPH exceed the dangers of radiation beyond the magnetosphere? Oh, this is a fun one—speed and radiation are [B]completely different[/B] hazards. Let’s break it down carefully: Speed of 25,000 MPH (~11 km/s) That’s roughly orbital speed around Earth (like the Space Shuttle or ISS) [long list:] Finally: Speed is scary for collisions. Radiation is scary for your DNA. No amount of “going fast” cancels out the cosmic rays." How fast does radiation travel through space? Cosmic Radiation: approximately 300 000 kilometres per second
williamthebastard rank	Tue Feb 10 18:28:14 "If we fly faster than light we can outfly cosmic radiation - thats why cosmic radiation isnt all that bad!" - a complete pedo-worshipping fool
Sam Adams rank	Tue Feb 10 18:30:42 You've degraded into nonsentient nonsense. Go outside and get some wine. Or your meds.
williamthebastard rank	Tue Feb 10 18:33:41 "All we have to do is outfly light which we can do at 25,000 mph! ISS is already flying at a speed that outflies light! Thats why cosmic radiation "isnt that bad"" - a shockingly stupid pedo-troll lol
williamthebastard rank	Tue Feb 10 18:51:45 "The fastest speed by a spacecraft is 430,000 mph" Holy hell, we already have spaceships that travel 16 times faster than the speed needed to escape cosmic radiation accoring to the village pedo-idjit!!
williamthebastard rank	Tue Feb 10 18:59:25 I remember when PSycho Psam used to pretend he was a professional pilot rofl. Man, that would have been hysterically funny to see. "Captain, we're approaching a thunder storm" Capt. Psych Psam: "No problem, we'll just enter warp speed to escape it"
jergul rank	Tue Feb 10 19:01:06 Thanks for a clear answer sammy, though doubtless there are caveats (things China can do that justify its destruction before it breaks away like that). As to your naysaying. I will jot that down to a failure of imagination on your part. Not your fault, we can hardly ask you to imagine better.
williamthebastard rank	Tue Feb 10 19:12:32 Psycho Psam has to be Trump when he wants to be anonymous. Apart from all the pedo-defending and racism etc., the exact same idiotic yapping about IQ, the exact same conviction that he "knows more about xxx than any other living person" on topics he is ludicrously wrong and hilariously ignorant about etc
Sam Adams rank	Tue Feb 10 19:47:29 ”things China can do that justify its destruction before it breaks away like that" Obviously. But there is no inherent need to view all humans as competition. Indeed the harsher the environment and the higher IQ of the other humans, the more likely you are to benefit from collaboration. Space is going to be the ultimate stage for peace.
williamthebastard rank	Tue Feb 10 19:54:26 "Its not that bad because all we have to do is outfly cosmic radiation which travels at 190 000 miles per second by flying at 25,000 miles per hour! Its insanely expensive and dangerous (so perhaps rather bad after all) - although ISIS already travels at almost that speed and we have spacecraft that fly 16 times that speed. Also, I know more about this than probably anyone on the planet“ - Classic Psam the Pscientist rofl
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