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murder
rank Mon Feb 16 12:12:46
Poland should ‘begin work’ on nuclear defenses, Nawrocki says

Warsaw should base its security strategy around ‘nuclear potential,’ Polish president said.

Polish President Karol Nawrocki thinks his country should start developing nuclear defenses, given the threat from Moscow.

In an interview with Polsat television on Sunday, Nawrocki described himself as "a great supporter of Poland joining the nuclear project" and argued that the country should develop its security strategy "based on nuclear potential."

He added: "This path, with respect for all international regulations, is the path we should take. ... We must work towards this goal so that we can begin the work. We are a country right on the border of an armed conflict. The aggressive, imperial attitude of Russia toward Poland is well known."

His comments come amid a growing debate in several European countries about developing their own nuclear weapons in the light of growing threats from Moscow and an erosion of trust in the United States.

Latvia’s Prime Minister Evika Siliņa, for example, said at the Munich Security Conference this weekend that “nuclear deterrence can give us new opportunities." Meanwhile, German Chancellor Friedrich Merz said talks were ongoing with France about a European deterrent.

Asked how Moscow might react to a Polish nuclear weapons program, Nawrocki was dismissive: "Russia can react aggressively to anything," he said.

https://ww...ent-nawrocki-russia-putin-war/

Sam Adams
rank Mon Feb 16 18:05:14
Poland kind of rocks.

It's amazing how quickly you can go from shit hole to solid nation once you throw off the yoke of communism.

Eastern Europe is becoming the center of civilized Europe with the downfall of the west.

williamthebastard
rank Mon Feb 16 18:52:47
Poor old Sam the Sadist, the sitcom character whose job it is to enter stage left and say something so stupid, the other characters drop coffee cups and do double takes to the sound of canned laughter.

1. Did you notice how theyre doing it because they dont trust you?
2. Poland wants nothing more than to be seen as a western european nation, because eastern europe is to europe what central america is to the americas

Sam Adams
rank Mon Feb 16 18:56:46
You imported way too many high crime low iq migrants. Poland is already superior to many places in the traditional west.

williamthebastard
rank Mon Feb 16 18:57:51
Eastern Europe is a muslim hotbed, you shockingly ignorant moron

williamthebastard
rank Mon Feb 16 19:30:57
Meanwhile in the real world: “it is projected that non-Hispanic Whites overall will become a minority within the US by 2045”.

Great news! Thats only roughly two 2-term presidents away lol

Poland: We’re considering nukes because we dont trust the sam adamses of america “amid an erosion of trust in the United States.”

Sam Adams: Tey is gittn teh nooks cos der is no moosluhms in eester yooruhp. I has teh hihg iq, twelv teath an a bandjoe!

williamthebastard
rank Mon Feb 16 19:41:10
Wait - wait just a second here lol

"While non-Hispanic White Americans under 18 in the U.S. are already a minority as of 2020, it is projected that non-Hispanic Whites overall will become a minority within the US by 2045 [38]"

lmfao

"About 90% of Europe is inhabited by 'white' people. "

lmfao

Sam Adams
rank Mon Feb 16 20:10:45
The US imports hispanic whites and asians. You import muslims and negros.

We win.

Plus you already have way too many italians and french people.

williamthebastard
rank Mon Feb 16 20:16:20
"White Americans under 18 in the U.S. are already a minority as of 2020,"

Lmfao, whites in the next generation about to take over the USA are already a minority while Europe is 90% white, you toothless gibbering monkey. When you have to start looking for a new occupation in a couple of years, youll be watching brown and black 20 year olds getting every job you apply for. Beautiful lol

williamthebastard
rank Mon Feb 16 20:22:06
“Yooruhp wot haz 90% wites haz bin takin ovrrr buuuh niggrrrs. Tank gawd Uh liv in a cuntrie were wites undrrr 18 rrr ahlriddy a minorrrtie! Uh has a high IQ an can skweel like a pig!”

Hysterical canned laughter and audience applause, ad break

Seb
rank Mon Feb 16 20:22:41
And about 30% of American whites are degenerate fascists that have abandoned liberalism: the ones that think they are some super race but then get stomped by multi-racial coalitions.

Pillz
rank Mon Feb 16 20:25:08
Poland is inferior to Russia as a seat warmer, but always comes in clutch against Muslims.

Central Europe and southern Europe/Balkans should just form their own economic bloc and exit the EU.

Theyd have a much better time of things together without the Germans and french.

Seb
rank Mon Feb 16 21:02:26
Lol. Poland's economic miracle is entirely due to economic integration with Western Europe.

williamthebastard
rank Mon Feb 16 21:44:57
So, let’s look at Sadistic Sam’s future. He’s a middle-aged extreme fascist in a field likely to lose around 70 - 80% of its jobs within the next 3–5 years. The few who remain will face collapsing wages, as employers can pick from a glut of desperate, unemployed ex-programmers, so even those who keep their jobs will be screwed.

While I’ll happily retire early in four years, Sam doesn’t have that option. He probably needs to work another 20-25 years

In 10 – 15 years, many US managers and employers will be black and brown, reflecting the shrinking white minority. Racial tensions will likely have intensified after years of reactionary backlash since the Trump years, and vengeful resentment toward the shrinking white minority may will emerge much as it did initially in South Africa.

An aging white supremacist competing with 20-year-olds for jobs he has no experience in, stuck at the bottom of every applicant pile, in a country where many if not most managers, employers, politicians, police etc. by then will be composed of the hegemonic majority ethnic groups.

All in all, his future looks about as bleak as his skinny, pale ass lol (he posted a pic once of himself taken at a distance on a hill he laughingly called a mountain and he looked like he weighed about 100 lbs)

williamthebastard
rank Mon Feb 16 21:57:00

While Europe remains 90% white, the browning of the USA - y’know, that neo-Nazi country constantly shrieking like seriously ill mental patients about how we gave away our continent to brown people - is here. And it is delicious to watch.

Sam Adams
rank Mon Feb 16 22:51:19
”that have abandoned liberalism"

Look seb, a conservative speaking! Ban!!! Arrest!!

murder
rank Mon Feb 16 22:53:52

So yeah ... nukes for everyone in Europe.

Or at least for everyone who feels they need them.

You don't want to have to rely on the French.

-

Seb
rank Tue Feb 17 00:02:02
NaMBLA.

Conservative embraced liberalism in the 19th C.

What you think of as conservatives are either 17th century throwbacks or some flavour of fascist.

Murder:
Poland is saying "threshold" as I think everyone also realises mass proliferation would be bad.

In practice though, unless got go SLBM, they don't really have a good deterrent. And I'm not particularly convinced it protects anyone from the main threat, which is a bunch of conventional missiles targeting schools and hospitals.

I'm annoyed the UK hasn't figured out it needs to get Poland and Germany to fund a UK cruise or irbm tactical nuke for deployment in front line states as a nuclear trip wire.

Sam Adams
rank Tue Feb 17 03:09:56
”annoyed the UK hasn't figured out it needs to get Poland”

Lol. Looking for Poland to fund your bureaucratic and useless aerospace industry. I'm sure the poles will be all over that.

Can we name a British plane that didn't suck? How far back do we need to go? Spitfire I think.

Habebe
rank Tue Feb 17 03:37:08
Sam, I seen Morgan and Morgan has a lawsuit for anyone with fuel exposure for planes, especially crew.

Maybe get a nice payday.

Sam Adams
rank Tue Feb 17 04:36:39
Lol those aholes. Crew exposure to plane fumes is about as toxic in their entire lives as spending 45 minutes in a traffic jam with some diesel trucks. Just a bunch of filthy ambulance chasers looking to leech money off real companies.

Habebe
rank Tue Feb 17 04:56:50
Meh, Remember when I got hit by a hit and runner in November?

I got the license plate.

Started out looking at $20-30k.

Now after physical therapy, MRIs those ambulance chasers are looking to net me $125-200k, although after fees and paying off some old debt I'll be gappy with $20k and debt free.

Rugian
rank Tue Feb 17 05:03:43
Holy shit. Well being debt-free is always a good thing.

Habebe
rank Tue Feb 17 05:40:28
Rugian, Ill be happy with.

I owe like $45k, so, thats a conservative estimate, lawyer takes 1/3...so I could end up woth alot more.

Sam Adams
rank Tue Feb 17 07:34:19
So a few ambulance chasers have a point. But those fumes lawsuits are completely frivolous.

Except maybe the ozone scrubber ones. Ozone is fucking lethal.

Seb
rank Tue Feb 17 09:50:41
NaMBLA:

BAe is doing very well than you very much. But doubling plutonium stocks in short order is expensive in capital investment.

You wouldn't know about this though. Stick to misunderstanding genetics and stats before misunderstanding something like the nuclear supply chain.

Seb
rank Tue Feb 17 09:54:20
"Can we name a British plane that didn't suck"
NaMBLA forgetting the USj Marines operate harriers.

Sam Adams
rank Tue Feb 17 15:21:15
Fair. But you did name a single plane that was retired a decade ago, and was designed 60 years ago.

Lol remember when you had an industry.

Bae: total revenue 26 billion.

Lmfao.

Seb
rank Tue Feb 17 16:33:04
Sam:

Nope, marines still using it. Won't finish until 2027.

I named one because it was easy proof you don't know what you are talking about.

Sam Adams
rank Tue Feb 17 17:32:59
A few old heaps of a type of second rate vtol fighter are still used in training. Lol. The mighty British empire is reduced to this.

jergul
rank Tue Feb 17 18:17:23
Well, yes sammy. It bankrupted itself in two completely avoidable wars. Mobilization logic could have been derailed for the first one and hitler stopped at Munich for the second.

When are you stupidly planning to go to war again you say? Not that it matters, you are bankrupting yourself by your perpetual warfooting anyway.

Sam Adams
rank Tue Feb 17 19:27:39
"Mobilization logic could have been derailed for the first one and hitler stopped at Munich for the second."

Lol soviet quality history lessons.

The UK told Germany not to touch Belgium and then Germany invaded Belgium.

Instant unavailable war. They did fight the war in the most retarded manner possible( on land) which obviously could have been improved but they weren't avoiding it altogether.

Likewise there's no stopping hitler without some sort of war. Though Britain did try to pussy out.

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murder rank	Mon Feb 16 12:12:46 Poland should ‘begin work’ on nuclear defenses, Nawrocki says Warsaw should base its security strategy around ‘nuclear potential,’ Polish president said. Polish President Karol Nawrocki thinks his country should start developing nuclear defenses, given the threat from Moscow. In an interview with Polsat television on Sunday, Nawrocki described himself as "a great supporter of Poland joining the nuclear project" and argued that the country should develop its security strategy "based on nuclear potential." He added: "This path, with respect for all international regulations, is the path we should take. ... We must work towards this goal so that we can begin the work. We are a country right on the border of an armed conflict. The aggressive, imperial attitude of Russia toward Poland is well known." His comments come amid a growing debate in several European countries about developing their own nuclear weapons in the light of growing threats from Moscow and an erosion of trust in the United States. Latvia’s Prime Minister Evika Siliņa, for example, said at the Munich Security Conference this weekend that “nuclear deterrence can give us new opportunities." Meanwhile, German Chancellor Friedrich Merz said talks were ongoing with France about a European deterrent. Asked how Moscow might react to a Polish nuclear weapons program, Nawrocki was dismissive: "Russia can react aggressively to anything," he said. https://ww...ent-nawrocki-russia-putin-war/
Sam Adams rank	Mon Feb 16 18:05:14 Poland kind of rocks. It's amazing how quickly you can go from shit hole to solid nation once you throw off the yoke of communism. Eastern Europe is becoming the center of civilized Europe with the downfall of the west.
williamthebastard rank	Mon Feb 16 18:52:47 Poor old Sam the Sadist, the sitcom character whose job it is to enter stage left and say something so stupid, the other characters drop coffee cups and do double takes to the sound of canned laughter. 1. Did you notice how theyre doing it because they dont trust you? 2. Poland wants nothing more than to be seen as a western european nation, because eastern europe is to europe what central america is to the americas
Sam Adams rank	Mon Feb 16 18:56:46 You imported way too many high crime low iq migrants. Poland is already superior to many places in the traditional west.
williamthebastard rank	Mon Feb 16 18:57:51 Eastern Europe is a muslim hotbed, you shockingly ignorant moron
williamthebastard rank	Mon Feb 16 19:30:57 Meanwhile in the real world: “it is projected that non-Hispanic Whites overall will become a minority within the US by 2045”. Great news! Thats only roughly two 2-term presidents away lol Poland: We’re considering nukes because we dont trust the sam adamses of america “amid an erosion of trust in the United States.” Sam Adams: Tey is gittn teh nooks cos der is no moosluhms in eester yooruhp. I has teh hihg iq, twelv teath an a bandjoe!
williamthebastard rank	Mon Feb 16 19:41:10 Wait - wait just a second here lol "While non-Hispanic White Americans under 18 in the U.S. are already a minority as of 2020, it is projected that non-Hispanic Whites overall will become a minority within the US by 2045 [38]" lmfao "About 90% of Europe is inhabited by 'white' people. " lmfao
Sam Adams rank	Mon Feb 16 20:10:45 The US imports hispanic whites and asians. You import muslims and negros. We win. Plus you already have way too many italians and french people.
williamthebastard rank	Mon Feb 16 20:16:20 "White Americans under 18 in the U.S. are already a minority as of 2020," Lmfao, whites in the next generation about to take over the USA are already a minority while Europe is 90% white, you toothless gibbering monkey. When you have to start looking for a new occupation in a couple of years, youll be watching brown and black 20 year olds getting every job you apply for. Beautiful lol
williamthebastard rank	Mon Feb 16 20:22:06 “Yooruhp wot haz 90% wites haz bin takin ovrrr buuuh niggrrrs. Tank gawd Uh liv in a cuntrie were wites undrrr 18 rrr ahlriddy a minorrrtie! Uh has a high IQ an can skweel like a pig!” Hysterical canned laughter and audience applause, ad break
Seb rank	Mon Feb 16 20:22:41 And about 30% of American whites are degenerate fascists that have abandoned liberalism: the ones that think they are some super race but then get stomped by multi-racial coalitions.
Pillz rank	Mon Feb 16 20:25:08 Poland is inferior to Russia as a seat warmer, but always comes in clutch against Muslims. Central Europe and southern Europe/Balkans should just form their own economic bloc and exit the EU. Theyd have a much better time of things together without the Germans and french.
Seb rank	Mon Feb 16 21:02:26 Lol. Poland's economic miracle is entirely due to economic integration with Western Europe.
williamthebastard rank	Mon Feb 16 21:44:57 So, let’s look at Sadistic Sam’s future. He’s a middle-aged extreme fascist in a field likely to lose around 70 - 80% of its jobs within the next 3–5 years. The few who remain will face collapsing wages, as employers can pick from a glut of desperate, unemployed ex-programmers, so even those who keep their jobs will be screwed. While I’ll happily retire early in four years, Sam doesn’t have that option. He probably needs to work another 20-25 years In 10 – 15 years, many US managers and employers will be black and brown, reflecting the shrinking white minority. Racial tensions will likely have intensified after years of reactionary backlash since the Trump years, and vengeful resentment toward the shrinking white minority may will emerge much as it did initially in South Africa. An aging white supremacist competing with 20-year-olds for jobs he has no experience in, stuck at the bottom of every applicant pile, in a country where many if not most managers, employers, politicians, police etc. by then will be composed of the hegemonic majority ethnic groups. All in all, his future looks about as bleak as his skinny, pale ass lol (he posted a pic once of himself taken at a distance on a hill he laughingly called a mountain and he looked like he weighed about 100 lbs)
williamthebastard rank	Mon Feb 16 21:57:00 While Europe remains 90% white, the browning of the USA - y’know, that neo-Nazi country constantly shrieking like seriously ill mental patients about how we gave away our continent to brown people - is here. And it is delicious to watch.
Sam Adams rank	Mon Feb 16 22:51:19 ”that have abandoned liberalism" Look seb, a conservative speaking! Ban!!! Arrest!!
murder rank	Mon Feb 16 22:53:52 So yeah ... nukes for everyone in Europe. Or at least for everyone who feels they need them. You don't want to have to rely on the French. -
Seb rank	Tue Feb 17 00:02:02 NaMBLA. Conservative embraced liberalism in the 19th C. What you think of as conservatives are either 17th century throwbacks or some flavour of fascist. Murder: Poland is saying "threshold" as I think everyone also realises mass proliferation would be bad. In practice though, unless got go SLBM, they don't really have a good deterrent. And I'm not particularly convinced it protects anyone from the main threat, which is a bunch of conventional missiles targeting schools and hospitals. I'm annoyed the UK hasn't figured out it needs to get Poland and Germany to fund a UK cruise or irbm tactical nuke for deployment in front line states as a nuclear trip wire.
Sam Adams rank	Tue Feb 17 03:09:56 ”annoyed the UK hasn't figured out it needs to get Poland” Lol. Looking for Poland to fund your bureaucratic and useless aerospace industry. I'm sure the poles will be all over that. Can we name a British plane that didn't suck? How far back do we need to go? Spitfire I think.
Habebe rank	Tue Feb 17 03:37:08 Sam, I seen Morgan and Morgan has a lawsuit for anyone with fuel exposure for planes, especially crew. Maybe get a nice payday.
Sam Adams rank	Tue Feb 17 04:36:39 Lol those aholes. Crew exposure to plane fumes is about as toxic in their entire lives as spending 45 minutes in a traffic jam with some diesel trucks. Just a bunch of filthy ambulance chasers looking to leech money off real companies.
Habebe rank	Tue Feb 17 04:56:50 Meh, Remember when I got hit by a hit and runner in November? I got the license plate. Started out looking at $20-30k. Now after physical therapy, MRIs those ambulance chasers are looking to net me $125-200k, although after fees and paying off some old debt I'll be gappy with $20k and debt free.
Rugian rank	Tue Feb 17 05:03:43 Holy shit. Well being debt-free is always a good thing.
Habebe rank	Tue Feb 17 05:40:28 Rugian, Ill be happy with. I owe like $45k, so, thats a conservative estimate, lawyer takes 1/3...so I could end up woth alot more.
Sam Adams rank	Tue Feb 17 07:34:19 So a few ambulance chasers have a point. But those fumes lawsuits are completely frivolous. Except maybe the ozone scrubber ones. Ozone is fucking lethal.
Seb rank	Tue Feb 17 09:50:41 NaMBLA: BAe is doing very well than you very much. But doubling plutonium stocks in short order is expensive in capital investment. You wouldn't know about this though. Stick to misunderstanding genetics and stats before misunderstanding something like the nuclear supply chain.
Seb rank	Tue Feb 17 09:54:20 "Can we name a British plane that didn't suck" NaMBLA forgetting the USj Marines operate harriers.
Sam Adams rank	Tue Feb 17 15:21:15 Fair. But you did name a single plane that was retired a decade ago, and was designed 60 years ago. Lol remember when you had an industry. Bae: total revenue 26 billion. Lmfao.
Seb rank	Tue Feb 17 16:33:04 Sam: Nope, marines still using it. Won't finish until 2027. I named one because it was easy proof you don't know what you are talking about.
Sam Adams rank	Tue Feb 17 17:32:59 A few old heaps of a type of second rate vtol fighter are still used in training. Lol. The mighty British empire is reduced to this.
jergul rank	Tue Feb 17 18:17:23 Well, yes sammy. It bankrupted itself in two completely avoidable wars. Mobilization logic could have been derailed for the first one and hitler stopped at Munich for the second. When are you stupidly planning to go to war again you say? Not that it matters, you are bankrupting yourself by your perpetual warfooting anyway.
Sam Adams rank	Tue Feb 17 19:27:39 "Mobilization logic could have been derailed for the first one and hitler stopped at Munich for the second." Lol soviet quality history lessons. The UK told Germany not to touch Belgium and then Germany invaded Belgium. Instant unavailable war. They did fight the war in the most retarded manner possible( on land) which obviously could have been improved but they weren't avoiding it altogether. Likewise there's no stopping hitler without some sort of war. Though Britain did try to pussy out.
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