Utopia Talk / Politics / A great hospital boat

Paramount rank	Sun Feb 22 10:07:26 Donald Trump is sending a hospital ship to Greenland, he announced on Truth Social. According to the president, the ship will “take care of the many people who are sick and not being cared for there.” “It’s on its way!!!” he concludes his short post. CNN writes that it is unclear what Trump is referring to and reminds us that Denmark and Greenland have free, state-funded healthcare. Several media outlets are now chasing the authorities in both countries in search of more information. - - Why don’t he send the boat to the US instead? Isn’t he supposed to be America First? But instead he is more of the never-ending America Last people.
jergul rank	Sun Feb 22 11:11:48 That is the thing Norway should be building. Hospital ships. 3 built to own and operate.
Seb rank	Sun Feb 22 11:29:07 Apparently the US just medevaced someone from a US sub to Greenland and this is a kind of tempertantrum fuck you / narrative building about why the US needs to take over. I'm sure the Greenlanders will love the taste of US healthcare that will replace their free state provided one. If it's accurate I assume they get to queue up to board the boat before being denied access because their insurance doesn't cover it and then billed for standing on the gangway.
Seb rank	Sun Feb 22 11:31:45 Also both US hospital ships are apparently in dry dock so I don't think it's actually happening. It's entirely possible he got briefed on the medevac and just got confused.
Paramount rank	Sun Feb 22 14:56:02 Lol. Rugian, Obaminated and Sad Madam voted for Trump because they believed that Trump would put them first. But instead Trump been putting himself, the Epstein elite, Israel, Argentina, and now Greenland first. Obaminated et al. will continue to be last. Haha
murder rank	Sun Feb 22 15:42:52 "Also both US hospital ships are apparently in dry dock so I don't think it's actually happening. It's entirely possible he got briefed on the medevac and just got confused." Donald Trump doesn't get confused, he IS confused. -
tumbleweed rank	Sun Feb 22 19:30:06 deliberately misrepresenting things (lying) seems the most obvious answer what he does every goddamned day... (or being stupid... believing some random cultist posting that hordes of sick are on Greenland, & so Trump saving the day!)
Habebe rank	Sun Feb 22 19:43:45 This board in particular is probably more aware, but apparently alot of Euros actually think Americans dont get free healthcare or reasonable priced HC via job insurance. Like we actually pay our of pocket for our absurdly priced HC.
Seb rank	Sun Feb 22 21:34:57 Habebe: By European standards, you don't. American health insurance premiums are absurdly high compared to European *private* premiums on top of tax/social insurance contribution. You can and do get denied cover for certain conditions, and co-pays can bankrupt you. That just doesn't happen in Europe.
Seb rank	Sun Feb 22 21:36:37 Understand, nobody is diving into the nonsense of £100 procedures costing £1000 or £10,000 in the US. They look at what people actually pay. But the reason what people actually pay is so high is because the insurance has to cover those ridiculous charges through higher premiums.
TheChildren rank	Sun Feb 22 21:44:15 is da hospital boat really a hospital or is only da first deck a hospital and everything beneath military and spyin equipment 4 infiltration and colors stuff
williamthebastard rank	Mon Feb 23 00:41:16 "How many bankruptcies in Western Europe from medical bills compared to the USA? Chat GPT said Short answer: medical bankruptcies are common in the United States but extremely rare — often effectively zero — across Western Europe. United States About 66–67% of all personal bankruptcies are linked to medical bills or illness-related income loss. This corresponds to roughly 500,000–530,000 medical bankruptcies every year. Even people with health insurance make up the majority of these cases. Western Europe (UK, France, Germany, Netherlands, etc.) Medical bankruptcies are near zero. Bottom line Medical bankruptcy is essentially a uniquely American phenomenon among wealthy nations. In Western Europe, healthcare systems are structured so that serious illness almost never leads to financial ruin, while in the US, getting sick remains the leading cause of bankruptcy. If you'd like, I can also break this down country-by-country or show how healthcare spending systems explain this difference."
williamthebastard rank	Mon Feb 23 00:48:55 "people with health insurance make up the majority"? So better to not have insurance and belong to the smaller bankruptcy group? Or do they all just die instead of going bankrupt?
williamthebastard rank	Mon Feb 23 00:55:09 Of course, as is so often the case with the Maga way of running the USA, it harms us all. One of the main reasons conspiracies about vaccines etc exist is because the US medical system is so full of money-scamming BS and creates a wealth of distrust. This distrust creates somewhat understandable conspiracies about the medical industry among the bigfoot/fake moonlanding/flat earthers that abound in the US and is then spread to our countries via social media despite us not having any reason to distrust our medical sector, at least nowhere near the level as in the shining private bank upon the hill.
Habebe rank	Mon Feb 23 03:48:17 "American health insurance premiums are absurdly high compared to European *private* premiums on top of tax/social insurance contribution. You can and do get denied cover for certain conditions, and co-pays can bankrupt you. That just doesn't happen in Europe." Literally, the most I ever paid was like $150/month for a family of 3 and that included 80% coverage for cosmetic surgery. County assistance insurance, if you don't have it with your job, covers all non cosmetic surgery and most treatments. Like the actual*** cost of US HC is astronomical....but most people just dont pay it. Bankruptcy? Your literally agreeing with me....we don't pay it, that's what bankruptcy is, our POTUS has gone bankrupt 7 times IIRC. German worker protections? Absolutely I envy that. But, US health-care, while bloated (charging $60 for a ginger ale for example) isn't how its portrayed online.
Habebe rank	Mon Feb 23 03:55:40 Im also not arguing that US HC is great... its a scam IMHO. We have people argue that the free market should allow medical companies to charge whatever they want. But then, also force you to only buy from them, and follow absolutley nothing remotely resembling a free market other than that one caveat. Absolute horse shit. But you see these ppl online who think you will get denied coverage....my dad has probably had $20 million in medical bills that he doesnt pay for...medicaid, or care, forget which one.
Paramount rank	Mon Feb 23 08:40:51 US special envoy to Greenland Jeff Landry writes on X that Greenland's Prime Minister Jens-Frederik Nielsen should be ashamed, Danish media reports. This after Nielsen said no thanks to the hospital ship that Donald Trump said he would send to Greenland. Landry writes that he has “talked to many Greenlanders” about their everyday problems and that the issue of healthcare often comes up. “A healthy Greenland is crucial to US national security,” he further writes. TV2 points out, however, that Landry has not visited Greenland since he was appointed special envoy in December last year. However, he was recently visited by Greenlandic Trump supporter Jørgen Boassen. - - If it is a national security issue, the US needs to go in and kidnap Nielsen. Maybe Jørgen Boassen can be installed as a new PM?
Seb rank	Mon Feb 23 09:16:30 Habebe: Maybe it's good enough to cover that bad case of Stockholm syndrome you've got?
Forwyn rank	Mon Feb 23 16:43:00 "You can and do get denied cover for certain conditions, and co-pays can bankrupt you. That just doesn't happen in Europe." Sure, they just die in months of triage and waiting periods
Habebe rank	Mon Feb 23 17:02:07 Seb, I had a double hernia surgery, extensive dental work, physical therapy and my meds are all free or $1. All in the last 10 months or so, I waited a total of 5 weeks to have my hernia surgery? I can see a PCP by walk in, and wait 10 minutes, no appointment neccesary....Vastly different from what is portrayed in soial media pf people forced to eat ramen and dog food because they needed life saving medical care.
williamthebastard rank	Mon Feb 23 17:04:06 But your anecdotal evidence has no meaning compared to stats. Its like saying "I won $1,000,000 on the lotto so that must be how it is for everyone in the USA"
Habebe rank	Mon Feb 23 17:04:12 Europe pays higher taxes, for there HC. Now, generally (alot variance by nation I presume) that gets shifted onto wealthier people. Here in the US, the lower income ppl basically get free unlimited HC and maybe pay $1 for meds.
williamthebastard rank	Mon Feb 23 17:05:07 It doesnt escape 500,000 bankruptcies a year, mainly hitting people with insurance.
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