Utopia Talk / Politics / Iran 2

Rugian rank	Sun Mar 01 16:59:00 And Donald wept, for there were no more worlds to conquer... ...apparently the US Consulate in Karachi has been stormed by Shi'ite rioters.
murder rank	Sun Mar 01 17:35:16 Pakistan better stop it, or Trump is going to bomb them next. They shouldn't have nuclear weapons anyway. -
murder rank	Sun Mar 01 17:37:27 US military says three of its service members killed in Iran operation Three U.S. service members have been killed in action as part of U.S. military operations against Iran, the U.S. Central Command said in a statement on Sunday. Five others were seriously wounded as part of Operation Epic Fury, it said. https://ww...led-iran-operation-2026-03-01/
obaminated rank	Sun Mar 01 17:48:45 Iran state media lied about hitting uss carrier Andrews, they fired missiles at it that were shot down.
Paramount rank	Sun Mar 01 18:35:21 As I said in the other thread. Iran got intel on that a high ranking US terrorist was hiding in the hotel and using the civilians as a human shield https://x.com/drhossamsamy65/status/2027914868729295031
TheChildren rank	Sun Mar 01 20:07:56 hello dakness ur ol friend 4 of today https://ww...ourning_the_death_of_khamenei/
TheChildren rank	Sun Mar 01 20:08:37 butbuut but 300 peoples were dancin in vegas see seee! they support us!
Paramount rank	Sun Mar 01 21:31:42 The US is apparently hiding military officers in civilian buildings. One not so bright American posted his position on social media, Iran snapped it up and attacked the terrorists hiding position. https://x.com/hashurtag/status/2027819197334466781
Paramount rank	Sun Mar 01 21:44:38 Locals in Bahrain are celebrating as US bases are being attacked https://x.com/cirnosad/status/2027846055308759063
Habebe rank	Sun Mar 01 22:09:49 Seb: so, the political leaders are still mostly alive, the defense leaders are whonwas killed and the Ayatollah of course. https://youtu.be/3uUr994ghmc?si=amxDlcQn4CsS0HHP 1:45-2:20
Seb rank	Sun Mar 01 22:20:37 Habebe: Didn't I point that out already? Certainly what I read in the morning papers.
obaminated rank	Sun Mar 01 23:07:04 Trump is saying it's expected to be a 4 week campaign. Saudi Arabia is considering attacking iran now after being targeted. That'd be interesting.
Paramount rank	Sun Mar 01 23:11:09 Saudi Arabia fought the Yemenis with the aid of US and Britain for several years and could not defeat them. If the Saudis enter the war, then Yemen is entering the war against the Saudis.
obaminated rank	Mon Mar 02 00:51:05 Saudi Arabia was not at war with Yemen.
obaminated rank	Mon Mar 02 00:53:54 And it was Saudi Arabia plus 9 other countries against houthi rebels.
Seb rank	Mon Mar 02 00:59:23 Obaminated; Yeah, and they still didn't decisively win, which kinda makes the point. Similarly, the US spent how long in Afghanistan and succeeded in changing the regime from the Taliban to the... Taliban. How likely does it seem to you that this does anything significant strategically other than further deplete US munition stocks for any conflict over Taiwan?
Rugian rank	Mon Mar 02 01:05:08 "How likely does it seem to you that this does anything significant strategically other than further deplete US munition stocks for any conflict over Taiwan?" It's so adorable that you believe this administration would lift a finger to help Taiwan. You think if Xi says "hey Trump, if you turn a blind eye towards Taiwan we'll give the US unfettered access to rare earths materials and stop dumping so-and-so materials on your markets," Trump won't be taking that deal?
Hrothgar rank	Mon Mar 02 05:53:59 Who benefits from this war anyhow, that made it worth starting now? Trump family I'm sure has some sort of angle on investments to play from the fallout. Russia is having it's ass saved economically if the oil prices go back up to 70+ per barrel for a long stretch. Israel obviously will feel a winner if Iran's government falls into chaos. I suppose there are a bunch of sultans and shit in those other rich middle eastern nations who would be happy to turn a blind eye to the collapse of the Iranian government.
Sam Adams rank	Mon Mar 02 06:18:39 "Who benefits from this war anyhow" If it works relatively easily, everyone except jihadis win. Some win more than others. If the regime change bit goes poorly, then only weapons companies and external oil companies win.
Sam Adams rank	Mon Mar 02 07:07:08 Kuwait accidently shot down an allied f15. 2 clean chutes it looks like. Lol jergul I told you we were going to lose more planes to accidents than we were to your shitty air defense. Especially with a giant coalition such as this that kind of shit is inevitable.
jergul rank	Mon Mar 02 07:11:46 Ahem You dont think I win? Oil trust baby that I am?
Sam Adams rank	Mon Mar 02 07:14:28 If this operation works the long term stability of the region is going to drive oil prices down. If not then you win.
jergul rank	Mon Mar 02 07:14:28 "Accidentally". Or a rogue operator making a "mistake". Kuwait is 40% shia and you did assasinate an important religious figure.
murder rank	Mon Mar 02 07:30:52 "If this operation works the long term stability of the region is going to drive oil prices down." It's not in the interest of the Saudis for prices to go down. -
Sam Adams rank	Mon Mar 02 07:38:16 But it is in the interest of the Saudis to not have a fucking psychopath in charge of the army next door.
jergul rank	Mon Mar 02 08:06:00 Very true. A bit harsh on the Israeli premier, I would perhaps have limited it to sociopath, but still.
TheChildren rank	Mon Mar 02 10:33:37 csammie watches disneyland news? ______________ "A spokesperson for the Kuwait defence ministry said multiple U.S. military aircraft crashed earlier in the day, but confirmed that all crew members were safe, t" _____ note da word "multiple"...in real world doesnt multiple mean like 10 or some shit. like plural, bitches. plural. looks like thingz going very well 4 da imperialist armiez
Seb rank	Mon Mar 02 11:11:16 Rugian: Ah, but if the US has disarmed itself fighting Iran, why would China need to give the US anything at all if it can just take it without credible opposition? Humiliating the US that way helps him even more.
Asgard rank	Mon Mar 02 11:20:12 Paragay Answer already Has can Khomnaifag be dead if his death is just zionist propaganda?
TheChildren rank	Mon Mar 02 11:25:05 i guess all those plural jets all crashed from friendly non workin patriot defenses just friendly fires and shit
murder rank	Mon Mar 02 11:29:32 "But it is in the interest of the Saudis to not have a fucking psychopath in charge of the army next door." The Iranian armed forces have never been a security issue for Saudi Arabia. Iran is not a military power. -
jergul rank	Mon Mar 02 11:29:34 "Kuwait's defense ministry says "several" US military aircraft have crashed, all crews survived" (CNN) Several is more than 2, but less than 5 usually.
TheChildren rank	Mon Mar 02 11:29:38 im readin dat massive military evac from bases r undaway currently in dubai... those bases must be toast! currently only entarin day 3!! 8d chess is winnin!
TheChildren rank	Mon Mar 02 11:33:29 "Swarms of fighter jets, helicopters, and American military aircraft are flying over Dubai, departing and fleeing from the Emirates." >> looks like shits going reeeaaal well 4 u
Seb rank	Mon Mar 02 11:49:34 Murder: Uh, they just attacked an oil refinery. Iran absolutely is a security threat to Saudi Arabia, left to its own devices. And it can fuck up the ability to ship oil.
TheChildren rank	Mon Mar 02 11:55:34 there aint gonna be no oil anytime soon. whats our best move. as civs i mean. toilet paper, bread, cans, rice, maybe some wata. but i assume sink will still work and shit. frozen fish sticks, nuggets?
murder rank	Mon Mar 02 12:03:49 "Uh, they just attacked an oil refinery. Iran absolutely is a security threat to Saudi Arabia, left to its own devices. And it can fuck up the ability to ship oil." Iran is defending itself, so obviously a security threat. -
murder rank	Mon Mar 02 12:09:44 I find it hard to believe that there would be multiple friendly fire incident in close succession in the same location. It may be that 2 jets crashed into each other.
Seb rank	Mon Mar 02 12:54:09 Iran is defending itself from the US by attacking a Saudi oil refinery?
murder rank	Mon Mar 02 13:01:43 You can pretend that Saudi Arabia and the gulf state aren't involved in the attack on Iran if you want to.Just like they haven't been in previous attacks when Israeli and American jets just magically appeared over the Persian Gulf and over Iran to drop bombs and missiles on Iran and then magically disappeared again ... and definitely not using the airspace of Iran's neighbors. Then again, maybe Iran just hates Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, the UAE, and the UK, because of their freedom. -
Seb rank	Mon Mar 02 14:08:57 Murder: Nobody is under an obligation to protect Iran by attacking transiting planes.
Seb rank	Mon Mar 02 14:12:07 They hate Saudi for a number of reasons, including religious and their geopolitical ambitions. They claim bits of the others territory. Anyway, attacking people for failing to actively go to war to protect you is not a good way to trigger those countries to use their own right to self defence.
Habebe rank	Mon Mar 02 14:44:36 Seb, Maybe....you had told me the other day that all the decision malers who COULD stop the war were being killed.
TheChildren rank	Mon Mar 02 14:46:26 sounds like shits going very well 4 yall https://ww...orts-paranoia-anxiety-pentagon
murder rank	Mon Mar 02 15:11:07 "Nobody is under an obligation to protect Iran by attacking transiting planes." Nobody is under any obligation to intercept transiting missiles and drones either, but they keep catching them with their faces and then whining about it. -
murder rank	Mon Mar 02 15:12:45 "Anyway, attacking people for failing to actively go to war to protect you is not a good way to trigger those countries to use their own right to self defence." They are already in it, Seb. That's why they are getting hit. Acting like they are innocent and the Iranians are stupid is pointless. -
TheChildren rank	Mon Mar 02 15:18:58 xactly. everything they do is not random, it is not dumb.
TheChildren rank	Mon Mar 02 15:43:40 rofl i read from comments. is it true f15 have "perfect" combat record...until last night when not 1 but 3 of them dropped like flies?
TheChildren rank	Mon Mar 02 15:55:20 welp i guess nottin lasts 4eva! xcept diamonds of curse there goes dat record! poof!
Sam Adams rank	Mon Mar 02 16:30:46 "murder rank Mon Mar 02 12:09:44 I find it hard to believe that there would be multiple friendly fire incident in close succession in the same location. It may be that 2 jets crashed into each other. " No. There's video. Jets fly with wingmen. Never liked the idea but that's how they do it.
Seb rank	Mon Mar 02 16:34:38 Habebe: No, I said that's the problem with decapitation strikes. If your plan involves some kind of negotiation with an authority to end the conflict, then decapitation doesn't work. You just get stuck into perpetual mow the grass operations. I doubt the US has yet killed everyone in the chain of command, but I suspect you might well have got to the point where coordination is sufficiently disrupted different commands are operating to inconsistent RoI.
Seb rank	Mon Mar 02 16:38:19 Murder: "they keep catching them with their faces" Yes, and that's called an attack and countries are entitled to self-defence and collective self defence and even pre-emptive strikes. "Acting like they are innocent" I don't know what to tell you. No, we aren't going to sit there and let Iran attack us just because the US and Israel are attacking Iran. You can say that by failing to engage the US and Israel we are complicit, but there's no real basis in international law to support that. Sorry.
Seb rank	Mon Mar 02 16:39:32 And yeah, it's kinda unfair for Iran as its options are get the shit kicked out of it by the US or attack it's neighbours and hope that causes enough turbulence. But life isn't fair, and some problems have no solutions.
Sam Adams rank	Mon Mar 02 16:44:02 So western air defense goofing off : 3 Soviet air defense trying its hardest: 0 Lol "Seb rank Mon Mar 02 16:39:32 And yeah, it's kinda unfair for Iran " Lol retard.
jergul rank	Mon Mar 02 17:36:55 Seb Not that simple for countries that have signed away portions of their sovereignity in alliances or through granting base rights. Iran probably has not attacked any of the gulf countries. It has targetted hostile assets hosted by those countries. A different kettle of fish. We are not complicit incidentally. We are US puppets.
Sam Adams rank	Mon Mar 02 17:38:43 "We are US puppets." Correct.
jergul rank	Mon Mar 02 17:42:05 International law tells us what we should be doing. We should be sanctioning the crap out of the US and Israel while withdrawing from any cooperative activity that may be at all relevant to the conflict. You could argue that sanctions too might be relevant to Iran if it were establised that strikes made intentionally had no relevance to US or Israeli activity. What we have however is sanctions on Iran and full military cooperation with the US. No shade of lipstick is going to make that pig pretty Seb.
Sam Adams rank	Mon Mar 02 17:42:28 But that's what you want. We defend you, so you guys don't have to do any real work. The words you are looking for is "thank you".
obaminated rank	Mon Mar 02 17:43:49 Murder is really flailing lately.
jergul rank	Mon Mar 02 17:51:42 The two words I would use certainly has "you" as the last one. Defending us from what exactly? It is clearly in our interests now to see the US get caught up in another perpetual war, so arguably we should enable somewhat to lure the US into making that mistake. Explicit threats to Greenland and Canada (among others) have not gone away. We can discuss tarriffs better too in a context were the US has troops mired on the ground in coastal and border regions of Iran.
TheChildren rank	Mon Mar 02 18:00:09 winnin hearts... and minds! "American pilot beat up by Kuwaitis https://t.me/myLordBebo/107548" o.O!!
Sam Adams rank	Mon Mar 02 18:07:47 "Defending us from what exactly?" Russia, China, Iran. Everyone you didn't want to do the work for.
jergul rank	Mon Mar 02 18:18:50 And yet, the only one who ever needed protection and used article 3 to get it was the US. You remember right, when Saudi Arabia attacked you.
jergul rank	Mon Mar 02 18:20:22 Attacked you with box-cutters of all things. Glad we could save you. You are welcome.
jergul rank	Mon Mar 02 18:21:16 TC 40% of Kuwait is Shia.
Seb rank	Mon Mar 02 18:24:47 Jergul: Nope. They went after a number of high profile civil targets (big hotels) nowhere near bases and RAF Akrotiri. International law is clear on this point, there's a right to self defence. We do not have full military cooperation with the US. Indeed the PM just explicitly said the US is not being permitted to use UK facilities for anything other than attacks on missile facilities.
murder rank	Mon Mar 02 19:15:44 "Yes, and that's called an attack and countries are entitled to self-defence and collective self defence and even pre-emptive strikes." They were "self-defensing" from the word go. For whatever reason you seem to have decided that your playing the stupid government game where you deny that you are doing what you're doing because your interests and fuck everything else. That's fine. Unfortunately others don't have to play along. The UK, and Jordan, and Saudi Arabia, And Kuwait, and Bahrain, and the UAE, and Qatar, fucked around ... and now they get to cry about how unfair it is that they are getting hit back and threatening to join the fight that they joined before the first missile hit. To whatever extent Iran can extract a pound of flesh ... enjoy! -
murder rank	Mon Mar 02 19:19:24 "We do not have full military cooperation with the US. Indeed the PM just explicitly said the US is not being permitted to use UK facilities for anything other than attacks on missile facilities." It's a good thing politicians never lie. It's a good thing that British politicians in particular aren't always full of shit. -
Sam Adams rank	Mon Mar 02 19:27:22 Plus it's not like the Brits will know where our jets are going. Especially the missile carriers. Imagine seb with his low IQ trying to take an encoded lat/lon and feed it into Google maps. He'd be so confused.
TheChildren rank	Mon Mar 02 21:36:16 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0K_haf1tC8c Summariariez - all bases hit, ur kicked out of middle east
jergul rank	Mon Mar 02 23:11:18 Seb The right to self-defence is heavily moderated how Cyprus has always had an active role. Part of the problem with signing away bits and pieces of sovereignity. The way you use the term renders it empty of meaning.
Seb rank	Tue Mar 03 00:11:43 Murder: You understand that blocking the US has had real political costs to him here, and internationally RE the Diego Garcia deal (which is the US getting butt hurt by the refusal). Just asserting that they are lying because it is convenient for the argument you want to make isn't compelling. A war with Iran is not in the UKs interests. Firstly, we were always likely to wind up playing defensive. We have 300,000 citizens in the region and deep economic ties to the gulf states, who were always going to be subject to Iranian attacks in the event of an attack by the US. Secondly, it's going to disrupt the oil trade, and hence UK energy prices, something the govt has no interest in. Thirdly, it might surprise you that the PM with a background as a lawyer with a specialism in international rights law actually does care about international law. However, given the US has brought a war into the region, and attempts to stay out having failed, it is also not in our interests to sit there and let Iran attack our bases and the gulf states and the 300k odd UK citizens in the region. Jergul: What is Cyprus's active role in the conflict with Iran Jergul. The US has 150 odd personnel from a reconnaissance squadron, however it is not being actively used in this conflict. You can say we should not defend ourselves, we are not likely to agree with your assessment and we do not need your permission in the matter.
Seb rank	Tue Mar 03 00:13:56 NaMBLA: Big words from the man turned down from flight school because he literally isn't trusted to have the attention span to handle that kind of thing.
jergul rank	Tue Mar 03 01:51:22 Here is what AI has to say about Cyprus Cyprus holds immense strategic military importance in the Eastern Mediterranean, serving as a critical forward platform for Western intelligence gathering, power projection, and logistical support in the Middle East . The UK maintains sovereign bases (Akrotiri and Dhekelia), while the island's location facilitates surveillance, humanitarian operations, and military support, particularly during regional conflicts. Key Aspects of Cyprus's Military Importance: Strategic Location: Positioned as a "unsinkable aircraft carrier" near the Middle East, offering a secure, stable foothold for NATO and Western powers in a volatile region. British Sovereign Base Areas (SBAs): Occupying ~98 square miles, Akrotiri and Dhekelia allow the UK to maintain a permanent, independent military presence for surveillance, aerial refueling, and logistical operations. Intelligence and Surveillance: The Joint Service Signal Unit (JSSU) and RAF Akrotiri are vital for GCHQ, US, and NATO surveillance, monitoring communications from the Mediterranean to Iran. Operational Support: Used for aerial reconnaissance (e.g., MQ-9 drones), aerial refueling, and transporting weapons/equipment during crises, notably supporting Israel during the Gaza war. Military Infrastructure: The island is enhancing ties with the US, with interest in upgrading the Andreas Papandreou Air Base and the naval base at Mari. Regional Stability: Hosts United Nations peacekeeping forces (Op TOSCA) and is essential for evacuating civilians from the region. The island's strategic value has recently been enhanced by its role in regional security amidst tensions and the significance of nearby energy resources. ============== Note that intel gathering in particular gave the US the idea it could decapitate a country the size of Iran. The island is full of legitimate targets that Cyprus happens to host. It is not an attack on Cyprus to target those even if the targetting goes astray.
Forwyn rank	Tue Mar 03 03:37:13 Europe already let the Ottoman scourge take half of it, who cares about the rest? Muh united Europe! Muh defense!
Seb rank	Tue Mar 03 03:53:10 Jergul: Yes. I just told you the US has a reconnaissance unit. Which isn't allowed to operate. The UK has made a definitive statement (un-caveated) that it was not participating or allowing its facilities to be used in attacking Iran or supporting the attack. So the effective of the drone strike has been to bring Cyprus as a hub for reconnaissance into play, at least in relation to missile launchers.
obaminated rank	Tue Mar 03 04:58:18 We destroyed Iran's drone carrier. It was a little over a year in service, lol.
Sam Adams rank	Tue Mar 03 05:25:34 Stares at his commercial pilots license. Lmfao seb you retard. Is there anything you say that isn't totally made up? Like I said, if you represent Brits, they wouldn't even be able to figure what continent we were aiming for.
jergul rank	Tue Mar 03 10:50:33 Seb I cannot believe you are trying to argue that Cyprus is not full of legitimate targets.
Paramount rank	Tue Mar 03 12:36:04 If the UK, Germany and France joins the illegal war of aggression against Iran on the side of Israel-USA, won't the International Criminal Court issue arrest warrants on Starmer, Merz and Macron?
TheChildren rank	Tue Mar 03 14:58:11 if u is attacked, then u is attack back then we is also attacked we is not wanna be attacked, so we is pre attack u back in orda 4 u 2 not attack us back. now we is become attackin, so we is not bein attack do u is now undastand we is da victim here not is u we is merely pre attackin u raisin u by 5
Sam Adams rank	Tue Mar 03 16:24:35 90 senior Iranians were gathered to vote on a new ayatolla. Israel bombed them all. Lmfao
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