Utopia Talk / Politics / Asgard - your opinion on Einstein?

williamthebastard rank	Fri Mar 06 18:23:20 To the Editors of the New York Times: Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine. The current visit of Menachem Begin, leader of this party, to the United States is obviously calculated to give the impression of American support for his party in the coming Israeli elections, and to cement political ties with conservative Zionist elements in the United States. Several Americans of national repute have lent their names to welcome his visit. It is inconceivable that those who oppose fascism throughout the world, if correctly informed as to Mr. Begin's political record and perspectives, could add their names and support to the movement he represents. Before irreparable damage is done by way of financial contributions, public manifestations in Begin's behalf, and the creation in Palestine of the impression that a large segment of America supports Fascist elements in Israel, the American public must be informed as to the record and objectives of Mr. Begin and his movement. The public avowals of Begin's party are no guide whatever to its actual character. Today they speak of freedom, democracy and anti-imperialism, whereas until recently they openly preached the doctrine of the Fascist state. It is in its actions that the terrorist party betrays its real character; from its past actions we can judge what it may be expected to do in the future. Attack on Arab Village A shocking example was their behavior in the Arab village of Deir Yassin. This village, off the main roads and surrounded by Jewish lands, had taken no part in the war, and had even fought off Arab bands who wanted to use the village as their base. On April 9 (THE NEW YORK TIMES), terrorist bands attacked this peaceful village, which was not a military objective in the fighting, killed most of its inhabitants240 men, women, and childrenand kept a few of them alive to parade as captives through the streets of Jerusalem. Most of the Jewish community was horrified at the deed, and the Jewish Agency sent a telegram of apology to King Abdullah of Trans-Jordan. But the terrorists, far from being ashamed of their act, were proud of this massacre, publicized it widely, and invited all the foreign correspondents present in the country to view the heaped corpses and the general havoc at Deir Yassin. The Deir Yassin incident exemplifies the character and actions of the Freedom Party. Within the Jewish community they have preached an admixture of ultranationalism, religious mysticism, and racial superiority. Like other Fascist parties they have been used to break strikes, and have themselves pressed for the destruction of free trade unions. In their stead they have proposed corporate unions on the Italian Fascist model. During the last years of sporadic anti-British violence, the IZL and Stern groups inaugurated a reign of terror in the Palestine Jewish community. Teachers were beaten up for speaking against them, adults were shot for not letting their children join them. By gangster methods, beatings, window-smashing, and wide-spread robberies, the terrorists intimidated the population and exacted a heavy tribute. The people of the Freedom Party have had no part in the constructive achievements in Palestine. They have reclaimed no land, built no settlements, and only detracted from the Jewish defense activity. Their much-publicized immigration endeavors were minute, and devoted mainly to bringing in Fascist compatriots. Discrepancies Seen The discrepancies between the bold claims now being made by Begin and his party, and their record of past performance in Palestine bear the imprint of no ordinary political party. This is the unmistakable stamp of a Fascist party for whom terrorism (against Jews, Arabs, and British alike), and misrepresentation are means, and a "Leader State" is the goal. In the light of the foregoing considerations, it is imperative that the truth about Mr. Begin and his movement be made known in this country. It is all the more tragic that the top leadership of American Zionism has refused to campaign against Begin's efforts, or even to expose to its own constituents the dangers to Israel from support to Begin. The undersigned therefore take this means of publicly presenting a few salient facts concerning Begin and his party; and of urging all concerned not to support this latest manifestation of fascism. - A. Einstein et al.
williamthebastard rank	Fri Mar 06 18:29:07 "It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." - Einstein et al "The Irgun was a political predecessor to Israel's right-wing Herut (or "Freedom") party, which led to today's Likud party.[15] Likud has led or been part of most Israeli governments since 1977."
Asgard rank	Sat Mar 07 22:24:39 What are your thoughts, WTB, on Ireland? How can you support the existence in f a country formed through the bloody struggle of the terrorist organization IRA? I wonder why one bothers you and the other doesn’t
Asgard rank	Sat Mar 07 22:25:49 By the way As I often stated in this place I always voted Meretz. Google them.
williamthebastard rank	Sun Mar 08 08:13:17 Ive never said I had a problem with the existence of the state of Israel. I notice you didnt answer the question, though. Of course, the Likud have been far, far more brutal than the IRA, but its interesting you should compare to Ireland, generally known as the most pro-palestinian country in Europe. They see Israel and Palestine in the exact opposite way you do, and that they sympathize with Palestine because they exactly what it feels like to be under the heel of a murderous oppressor. http://edi...ian-nation-in-europe-mime-intl
Asgard rank	Sun Mar 08 14:30:14 The Irish conveniently ignore the fact that all throught 1900-1947 the IRA, and the Haganah, Irgun, and Lehi were BFFs in their joint war against British imperialism But as any good communist, once the underdog becomes the upperdog, they support the underdog immediately and without question Green-red alliance, since always
Asgard rank	Sun Mar 08 14:31:55 What do I think of Einstein? I like his hair
Asgard rank	Sun Mar 08 14:33:27 There’s an old saying 2 Jews - 3 opinions Sorry, we don’t share a hivemind WTB In fact, Judaism is all about freedom of expression, and multitude of opinions Sorry
williamthebastard rank	Sun Mar 08 14:37:19 Ah, the Irish suddenly flitted from freedom fighters like the terrorist gangs in Israel that changed name to Likud to commie pinkos. Righto. Now, whose side to be on: just about every jewish intellectual from Arendt to Einstein or the anonymous internet troll Asgard who loves raping and pillaging Vikings because they were so proud in Hollywood depictions of them? Thank the lord Im always on the side of the most respected minds in history and never internet trolls phew!
Asgard rank	Sun Mar 08 16:31:00 Israeli “terrorists” trained in Ireland by the IRA But I don’t want to show you how to use this thing, called The Internet, or Interweb as you might call it.
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