Utopia Talk / Politics / A reasonable compromise

Seb rank	Sat Mar 14 20:58:53 So Trump first said he didn't want the UK to send ships to the middle east to join a war he'd already won. Now he has asked us to send ships to the middle east. Obviously that's not a very popular idea, but I think we have some mothballed T-23 frigates and maybe we can lease them to the US in exchange for Hawaii or Alaska?
tumbleweed rank	Sat Mar 14 21:27:50 you -will- send those ships or he will tariff you or cut off trade altogether! ...& you better thank him for saving you & the world... & award him a medal, trophy, or cash prize... & hang some banners of him...
Cherub Cow rank	Sat Mar 14 21:47:19 Trump is irrelevant. You will send the ships because you are kikeslaves.
Sam Adams rank	Sat Mar 14 21:59:17 No one is asking you to send anything seb. That message was meant for the French, you know the people that actually have a working navy.
Paramount rank	Sat Mar 14 23:35:27 What is the point of having a navy when you don’t wanna use it to protect your oil tankers. The oil tankers have more guts than your navy. But this is how it is when you are being governed by a pedo mafia. Ha ha
Seb rank	Sun Mar 15 11:55:48 Tumbleweed: yeah but he tariffs us every other month so why care? NaMBLA: funny to have the UK ambassador deliver it then. Maybe not actually. The state department probably filled with NaMBLAs like yourself now.
Seb rank	Sun Mar 15 12:01:00 Also Trumps post specifically called out the UK along with other countries. They were never going to send PoW. No real need given Cyprus. The rest of the fleet has various commitments keeping an eye on the Arctic and North sea. Why would we want to go help the US fix the mess it has created when we have Russia snooping around our undersea infrastructure?
murder rank	Sun Mar 15 23:50:56 "Now he has asked us to send ships to the middle east." If we're afraid to send Arleigh Burkes into the strait, wtf are smaller less well armed and defended ships supposed to do to open the strait? He's basically demanding volunteers for cannon fodder duties. -
tumbleweed rank	Mon Mar 16 00:51:22 Mike Waltz (administration clown who invited a reporter into the group chat where clown Hegseth was sharing classified war plans) asked about Trump's posts: "...Trump is saying the entire world is affected, Iran can't hold your economies hostage, and we certainly welcome, encourage, and even -demand- their participation to help their own economies" video of that exchange: https://x.com/atrupar/status/2033170159649648883 Trump claimed "many" countries already agreed to help, so i'm sure it's all going great... (him lying 100% of the time on every topic is completely reasonable & acceptable)
Seb rank	Mon Mar 16 03:25:05 Or America can take the L and the global economy can continue.
Seb rank	Mon Mar 16 03:55:39 Honestly, I think the US has lost already. The ask - for the US to determine who the next Iranian leader is - is existential for the Iranian regime. They are going to endure and sacrifice a lot before they accept that. Every time Trump says on media "the wars over, we've won, just mopping up" what he's signalling is the political cost of the war is already too high for him, and he's looking for an out. He might not be there yet, but it's very much wile coyote hanging in mid air trying to not look down.
tumbleweed rank	Mon Mar 16 07:59:15 our desperate dicktator: "We didn’t have to help [NATO] with Ukraine. Ukraine is thousands of miles away from us... but we helped them. Now we’ll see if they help us. Because I’ve long said that we’ll be there for them but they won’t be there for us. And I’m not sure that they’d be there." (& a comment about it being a 'bad future' for NATO if they don't help) so now NATO has to join his illegally unilateraly started wars of choice... completely acceptable behavior the extortion continues... our effort in Ukraine apparently was to gain profit from Ukraine & mercenary work from 'allies'
Paramount rank	Mon Mar 16 08:38:40 ”We didn’t have to help [NATO] with Ukraine” So it is a NATO war on Russia? More accurately it is a war instigated by the US and later dumped on Europe. Now the US wants to dump another war they started and are unable to finish on Europe.
Paramount rank	Mon Mar 16 09:26:02 https://x.com/kingkong9888/status/2033388751884620142
Seb rank	Mon Mar 16 10:59:45 Didn't the US say it needed Europe to focus on Ukraine so it could focus on Asia? It subsequently withdrew all support for Ukraine and started billing Europe. Now it wants Europe to focus on a war that US started in Asia, for free.
jergul rank	Mon Mar 16 11:47:18 The reasonable compromise would be to end US base rights in civilized countries. It would take quite a few years to finalize anyway. But yah, nobody benefits from the US having effective global reach. It is literally a significant national security threat. Trump is just the template for future leaders over there. There is no rolling back to normal. The recipe is too successful domestically.
murder rank	Mon Mar 16 12:17:04 It's funny watching this petulant baby spiral. "I stupidly bit off more than I can chew. You have to help me!"
Seb rank	Mon Mar 16 13:54:26 murder: And remember, this is after dismissing previous allied contributions to Americas war as "standing at the back", threatening to invade an allied countries territory, war profiteering on a defensive Ukraine, giving intelligence to Russia to undermine Ukraine, and right now once again ripping up a trade agreement he struck last year to impose further tariffs. Honestly, fuck America. Call us when you've got some grown ups in office.
Seb rank	Mon Mar 16 13:57:03 If the democrats win both the senate and the house, impeach and remove trump and vance, and restructure the supreme court; then maybe former allies might be willing to invest effort in a relationship with the US. Right now, nobody is looking at the US as a country that can be trusted to follow through on any deal; or reciprocate any favours.
murder rank	Mon Mar 16 14:00:57 I'm expecting him to invoke Article 5 any moment now ... since we preemptively acted in self-defense to Iran's attack on California or something something. -
murder rank	Mon Mar 16 14:03:49 "If the democrats win both the senate and the house, impeach and remove trump and vance, and restructure the supreme court; then maybe former allies might be willing to invest effort in a relationship with the US." Even if Democrats did all that, the other half of the country isn't going away. They could be right back in power in 2 years. Save yourselves. The US is done. -
Paramount rank	Mon Mar 16 14:15:30 Yeah, there’s no going back to what was before. Even if the Genocide Democrats impeach Trump they ain’t gonna back to how it was before.
jergul rank	Mon Mar 16 14:20:46 Trump's template is too seductive. We will see it again and again and again and again.
williamthebastard rank	Mon Mar 16 14:28:52 I think we need to await further browning of the USA. We probably need the pedophile-protecting white evangelist death cult to drop down to a more manageable minority where they have very little say in US affairs anymore, say another 2 - 3 decades.
murder rank	Mon Mar 16 14:36:57 Browning isn't going to help. A lot of these immigrants are right wing crazies. -
williamthebastard rank	Mon Mar 16 14:42:56 Well, browning to the point that its the sickly-white csam adamses that get red-lined by browned banks to only being able to afford homes in projects and ghettos, and getting targetted by browned police forces etc etc will still be highly enjoyable, if not significant on the international arena.
williamthebastard rank	Mon Mar 16 14:46:33 If a lot of them are right wingers, we can expect some brown revenge in the future.
Paramount rank	Mon Mar 16 15:21:47 The war in Ukraine is also an American war. The US toppled the government in Ukraine in 2014, selected its new government, hijacked its intelligence services, built secret CIA bases along the Russian border, armed and trained right-wing groups to attack Donbas and have veto power over Ukrainian voters' demand for peace, cancelled Zelensky's peace mandate in 2019, hijacked its civil society with "NGOs", built a large proxy army in Ukraine, supported the purging of Ukraine's media, political opposition, and the Orthodox Church, and sabotaged the Minsk peace agreement. After Russia invaded, the US sabotaged the Istanbul negotiations, shut down diplomacy, and provided most of the weapons, ammunition, logistics, intelligence, targeting, and war planning for Ukraine. The objective of the US has been the strategic defeat of Russia as a rival centre of power, to be achieved by fighting to the last Ukrainian and the last euro. Suggesting that the US selflessly "helped" Europe in Ukraine is an absurd argument that even contradicts Trump's previous statements that this has been a proxy war provoked by NATO expansionism. Europe should not receive more "help", and NATO should be dissolved. https://x.com/glenn_diesen/status/2033457224438169870
williamthebastard rank	Mon Mar 16 15:32:11 Both the Ukrainian and the palestinian wars are directly linked to Trumps lack of leadership. Bothe Putin and Netanyahu said, fuck, we can go as far as we want now. Putin knew he could easily coax Trump into wrecking NATO and untied NATO efforts, and Netanyahu knew that even if could get most of what he wanted from Biden, Biden wasnt dreaming of opening Biden hotels on the West Bank together with Kushned and Netanyahu.
murder rank	Mon Mar 16 16:06:43 "If a lot of them are right wingers, we can expect some brown revenge in the future." That's not going to happen. They think they are white or can become white. -
murder rank	Mon Mar 16 16:07:45 Why doesn't Trump demand that Israel send ships to open the strait? They started this war, right? -
murder rank	Mon Mar 16 17:04:27 I wonder if Trump has considered that all these countries that rely on oil from the Persian Gulf can simply pay Iran to let their oil through without having to send any ships or risk the lives of their sailors. -
Seb rank	Mon Mar 16 17:53:45 Iran is charging on Yuan. Congratulations, US just created the petro-Yuan
williamthebastard rank	Mon Mar 16 17:57:06 As well as a nuclear Iran within a few years.
Seb rank	Mon Mar 16 17:58:18 Folks, I said maybe and might. The minimum would be some assurance the trump model wouldn't be repeated. They point a out reforming the court - and perhaps I wasn't explicit enough: real consequences for Trump and Maga politicians, reversal of the republican capture of the US institutions, and the unwinding of the imperial presidency. I can't see why anyone would bother otherwise whatever the intentions of the US govt of the day. With just a return to conventional politicians, it'll take a generation of consistent behaviour before a reversion to Trump would be discounted. Massive structural reform is the only short cut.
williamthebastard rank	Mon Mar 16 18:00:06 This is what happens when you allow people with csam's IQ anywhere near decision-making.
williamthebastard rank	Mon Mar 16 18:18:09 I wonder if China will be thankful enough to Iran for only dealing in Yuan to help them out with a little nuclear materials?
jergul rank	Mon Mar 16 18:36:17 China does not want a petroyuan...yet. It would literally have to give away money if that happened.
Pillz rank	Mon Mar 16 18:42:27 Kill yourself seb you fucking communist cuck
jergul rank	Mon Mar 16 18:55:29 Kingmaking is a reason for moderation from those aspiring the throne. China is moderate. The US...is not moderate.
Seb rank	Mon Mar 16 20:21:28 The lesson of pax America is that countries will happily offer a Metropole a reasonably large privileged position if they can provide stability and predictability in trade, finance and geopolitics. It does not matter that China is communist authoritarian and oppressive: if it can deliver those qualities while the US cannot, or is determined to deliver the opposite - then the next century will belong to them and the US faces decline as European empires did post WW2. The EU could be a contender but it needs a better governance model. It's able to do a lot of shaping to maintain stability but struggles to act quickly and decisively to address instability.
williamthebastard rank	Mon Mar 16 20:25:40 The only real reason for that, really, is because European states enjoy much more autonomy than US states. If the EU was a single nation state like the US, things would be different, but we probably dont really want that. However, a unified EU military force and other affairs can still be achieved, but at a pace that requires slower and more negotiations.
Pillz rank	Mon Mar 16 20:33:02 Twiddle dumb and neo Nazi bottom equally retarded
williamthebastard rank	Mon Mar 16 20:39:37 Isnt it past suicide o'clock for you, little nazi junkie?
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