Utopia Talk / Politics / jerguls air defense in action

Sam Adams rank	Tue Mar 17 03:27:12 Gonna get em this time. https://x.com/DrEliDavid/status/2033707354252804580?s=20
jergul rank	Tue Mar 17 08:32:38 Rofl. Send in the b-52s since it is so safe sammy. I dare you.
Hrothgar rank	Tue Mar 17 16:12:11 Why would they send in B-52's when it's dangerous to do so and there is no need for the risk? This is like a tank being killed by a drone dropped munition, and then saying "oh yeah, send in the horse calvary and see what happens pal".
murder rank	Tue Mar 17 16:20:45 "Why would they send in B-52's when it's dangerous to do so ..." It being dangerous to do so is his point. -
jergul rank	Tue Mar 17 16:21:22 Hrothgar There is actually need if the US is serious about degrading Iran's capabilities. Attack volumes are way lower than what Russia is pounding Ukraine with. The commute is the killer. Fighters have to fly too far and it seriously impedes sortie rates. But my point was "its dangerous". Why? Because air defences are denying B-52s access.
Sam Adams rank	Tue Mar 17 16:25:47 Head of the basij and head of irgc killed in airstrike.
Sam Adams rank	Tue Mar 17 16:28:28 "Attack volumes are way lower than what Russia is pounding Ukraine with." Lol Anyway b52s are flying over Iran. Oops.
jergul rank	Tue Mar 17 16:28:44 So? Beyond the points made on the actual thread on the topic.
jergul rank	Tue Mar 17 16:30:03 No they are not, though I am sure they are working as missile ferries from safe stand-off ranges until you run out of missiles.
jergul rank	Tue Mar 17 16:30:37 You need the JDAMs from B-52s sammy. That is the only thing that will give you the volume you need.
murder rank	Tue Mar 17 16:46:24 Send in the B-21s! Not now, but eventually when they are operational. Does anyone remember when Obama awarded Northrop Grumman the contract to produce the B-21 back in 2015? More than 10 years later and we are ground testing our 3rd B-21! We could never win WWII today. :o( -
murder rank	Tue Mar 17 16:57:10 Hopefully this fiasco opens up enough eyes that we finally retire the B-52. Our entire bomber force needs reimagining. -
jergul rank	Tue Mar 17 17:02:30 Or your whole force posture. The idea that anything on the planet needs to be attacked is very expensive. Long range is needed mostly for maritime patrol or maritime combat operations Pretty hefty payloads can be put on regular fighters for as long as the distance is reasonable. Unmanned aircraft still are kind of puny payload wise.
Sam Adams rank	Tue Mar 17 17:08:24 Lol everything jergul says is wrong.
murder rank	Tue Mar 17 17:09:21 You can't count on reasonable distances, and payloads need to be internal because stealth is important. The alternative is playing cat and mouse with enemy air defenses. -
jergul rank	Tue Mar 17 17:25:51 Hush, weather boy. Your betters are talking. Enhanced JDAMs are more the solution as deep penetration can and should use other means. In the current technological context, glidebomb ranges of 150 km is more than good enough. Stealth aircraft is still a game of cat and mouse that relies on certain counters not being in play. Not that stealth is bad. It gives engagement and survivability advantages. But deep penetration is on a ticking clock. It will not be feasible against medium tier opposition for much longer.
jergul rank	Tue Mar 17 17:27:17 aircraft deep penetration* There are other and better means as mentioned.
Sam Adams rank	Wed Mar 18 18:04:44 The Iranian Intel chief has been killed in an airstrike. Jerguls mighty air defense strikes again lol.
jergul rank	Wed Mar 18 19:02:25 Why do you think killing octogarians is smart? Is it that you cannot imagine the regime being better served by leaders in their 40s and 50s? Rofl. See how well you are doing with Trump.
Sam Adams rank	Wed Mar 18 19:17:26 "it's ok that Israel and the us bomb whatever they want whenever they want because our leaders are old" Lol
jergul rank	Wed Mar 18 19:27:25 For bombing whatever they want whenever they want, see Russia in Ukraine. You have noob numbers and are are stupidly creating an environment were Iran can bring up the best into leadership to replace decrepit fossiles. Never mind the moral aspect of political assassinations meant to terrorize into submission. Its a sign of desperation frankly. You dont have a plan, so are just flailing.
Sam Adams rank	Wed Mar 18 19:51:26 Russia can't bomb anything in Ukraine other than a few glide bombs right around the front... And even that is high risk. Amazing fail jergul.
jergul rank	Wed Mar 18 20:16:36 You think you are using JDAMs to politically assasinate people in acts of terror? Rofl. You are using the same thing Russia does when it hits electic substations anywhere it wants in the country. With missiles and drones. Oh wait, you dong have Geran equivalents yet. Rofl. though you are going to copy them your prez says. Like I mentioned. JDAMs are not appropriate. Other tools are.
jergul rank	Wed Mar 18 20:17:44 Is attacking Iran a mistake yet to you? Dont tell me you are going to hold out for years like you did with Iraq before admitting it was a mistake.
jergul rank	Wed Mar 18 20:19:08 I cant wait to see the US MIC take a 50k suicide drone and make it cost 7.5 million.
Sam Adams rank	Wed Mar 18 20:20:40 We use all sorts of bombs and missiles all over Iran, wherever we want. Lol @ soviet's and their... Limitations.
jergul rank	Wed Mar 18 21:40:04 The Straight open yet biggest navy in the world? Rofl.
Sam Adams rank	Wed Mar 18 23:24:02 Changing the subject again I see. The current subject is your shitty air defenses and air force, not your shitty navy. But if we want to expand and look at the general shiftiness of the entire soviet bloc, we will have the straits much sooner than you will have kiev.
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