Utopia Talk / Politics / Persian Gulf Peace Treaty

murder rank	Sun Mar 22 19:08:51 Iran agrees not to attack the other gulf states or interfere with their commerce. Gulf states agree not to base or host foreign forces and not to allow their territory (land/sea/air) to be used by foreign powers to attack Iran. This doesn't seem that hard. Besides Israel and the US, who says no? -
jergul rank	Sun Mar 22 19:25:28 Irain still needs the right to block vessels supporting belligerent countries. Nothing untoward. Just like the US habitually does. It could be resolved with a ban list of the vessels in question. Israel, with US support is aiming for a landgrab in Lebanon. Everything south of the litani river. That is where I think the Marines are going. So sanctioning belligerents is frankly something we should all be on board with really.
Sam Adams rank	Sun Mar 22 20:55:16 Everyone says no. Most importantly in this case the UAE,Bahrain,Kuwait,Saudi, and the free people of Iran.
Sam Adams rank	Sun Mar 22 21:00:16 "Everything south of the litani river. That is where I think the Marines are going" I love jergul logic. Look at all the data and come to be far the least likely option.
Habebe rank	Sun Mar 22 21:13:36 Again, unsure of the accuracy, but teports I read claimed MBS (Saudi) was fully in support of this.
murder rank	Sun Mar 22 21:22:58 I wasn't aware that anyone had proposed this. :o) -
murder rank	Sun Mar 22 21:25:48 There's limited benefit for Iran, since the US and/or Israel could still disrupt their shipping outside the gulf, but I don't see the other gulf states doing anything about that. -
murder rank	Sun Mar 22 21:27:44 "... the UAE,Bahrain,Kuwait,Saudi ..." They are catching most of the missiles and drones and the US isn't protecting them, so I don't understand why they would oppose this. -
Sam Adams rank	Sun Mar 22 22:09:57 Why do you possibly think that the us isn't protecting them?
jergul rank	Sun Mar 22 22:13:29 Because they are protecting the US.
murder rank	Sun Mar 22 22:41:22 "Why do you possibly think that the us isn't protecting them?" They are getting hit. They weren't getting hit before. That's the opposite of protection. -
Sam Adams rank	Mon Mar 23 00:17:48 Sure, 5-10% of Iranian munitions are getting through
Seb rank	Mon Mar 23 03:29:23 NaMBLA: Which is still enough to fuck their economy, so what you are saying is you can't protect them.
Sam Adams rank	Mon Mar 23 04:52:32 Better than you neville.
Habebe rank	Mon Mar 23 04:54:44 So what are the realistic estimates of Irans capability at this point? The missile capability seems to be nearly wiped out, missiles/drines are down like 80+% (varies by estimate, Ive seen as high as 90%) Even then, boots on the ground will be needed for regime change. Enter afghanistan 2.0
Sam Adams rank	Mon Mar 23 06:39:41 Irans exact capabilities are uncertain. Their command structure is in rough shape, air defense is nearly wiped out, long range weapons are in rough shape and we've begun hunting the religious police and shore batteries... But the exact assessments are beyond our knowledge.
jergul rank	Mon Mar 23 11:51:16 How many generals did Greater Germany lose in wwii? A country with a population then slightly less than Iran now. Answer: 650. The only thing correct that you said is that you have no idea what Iran has.
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