Utopia Talk / Politics / Cuba

murder rank	Wed Mar 25 00:14:18 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibkLrAJnepo
Paramount rank	Wed Mar 25 09:03:03 But how do they keep the hospitals and the incubators running?
TheChildren rank	Wed Mar 25 09:15:56 i heard all da folks in hospitals in intensice care...all died few days ago coloninism gonna colonism
Habebe rank	Wed Mar 25 16:52:39 https://ww.../cuba-doctors-mission-blockade Figure this didn't need it's own thread. TBH, GWB had the best policy. Basically, Cuba sends Dr's all over the world, makes money from this, but also holds their passports so that the Drs dont leave. GWB had a program to offer them US citizenship.
murder rank	Wed Mar 25 21:46:16 Yeah Trump is trying to block poor countries from trading for Cuban medical aid. He of course has no intentions of making up for their loss of care because he couldn't give less of a fuck if they all die. -
murder rank	Wed Mar 25 21:46:57 "But how do they keep the hospitals and the incubators running?" Charcoal. Everything is going to run on charcoal. -
TheChildren rank	Wed Mar 25 23:31:52 https://ww...ally_operating_ventilators_in/ colonialist colonializin
Habebe rank	Thu Mar 26 05:12:43 Murder, I mean, they are literally using slave labor. I just think it's a smarter (and moral) move to poach skilled doctors as immigrants.
murder rank	Thu Mar 26 18:15:25 Trump doesn't give a fuck about slavery. Trump refuses to pay people for work they do for him all the time. The only thing Trump gives a fuck about is domination. He sees Cuba isolated and vulnerable, and that means its time to rape it. -
Habebe rank	Fri Mar 27 03:22:33 Murder, I agree Trump isn't doing this for moral reasons. My argument is no one involved gives a shit about morals.
Pillz rank	Fri Mar 27 05:02:26 >Marco rubios face when he realizes he's the next Castro brother
Habebe rank	Fri Mar 27 05:48:37 I mean, this goes to the root problem with communism, its not in the best or self interest of the individual unless your a politician. The argument they put out is that they invested in the person so they now owe it to the state for the rest of their life. The bonuses they get are equivelant to shawshank redemption.
jergul rank	Fri Mar 27 12:30:03 Habebe That is not communism. It is every system. Why are you a patriot who, if circumstances demanded, is expected to lay down his life for his country? Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori. Cuba has been under extreme pressure forever. The medical contract terms are a function of US sanctions.
murder rank	Fri Mar 27 13:58:42 ^ yeah "Why are you a patriot who, if circumstances demanded, is expected to lay down his life for his country?" Such as the existential threat of North Vietnam. -
murder rank	Fri Mar 27 14:08:12 "Failing to register for Selective Service is a federal felony punishable by up to 5 years in prison and in fines. Practically, non-registration causes lifelong denial of federal student aid, federal job training, and most federal employment." - I should also note that we require kids to do "volunteer" work just to graduate from high school. -
murder rank	Fri Mar 27 14:09:48 punishable by up to 5 years in prison and up to $250,000 in fines* -
Habebe rank	Sat Mar 28 06:30:38 I never registered....nothing happened but they sent some mail 20 years ago. Jergul, Other systems allow a much greater degree of letting ppl pursue their own self interest. A Norwegian medical Dr. Isn't pimped out by the state.
jergul rank	Sat Mar 28 11:59:54 Maybe not sanction the crap out of Cuba before jumping to a system analysis of merits and demerits? Most Norwegian doctors are wage slaves of the State. We are not under decades of sanctions from the US, so choose to pay them relatively well.
jergul rank	Sat Mar 28 12:02:19 Muslim countries suck. Just look at Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya or Gaza. They barely have any infrastructure at all and the building stock is in a horrible state. Why dont they keep things in better repair?
jergul rank	Sat Mar 28 12:03:00 We should help them. Lets bomb them until standards of living improve.
murder rank	Sat Mar 28 19:32:39 "I never registered....nothing happened but they sent some mail 20 years ago." Maybe don't let the federal government know about that. -
Habebe rank	Sat Mar 28 19:42:29 Murder, Agreed, Im age eligible now for the military again.
Habebe rank	Sat Mar 28 19:56:05 Jergul, I get they have a disadvantage, I wont deny that. But taking someones passport seems really fucked up. Cuba, Probably will be closer to Venezuela....that said, i don't know WTF is going on anymore.
Paramount rank	Mon Mar 30 08:09:14 Trump on Russia supplying Cuba with oil: "It's not going to have an impact. Cuba's finished. They have a bad regime. They have very bad and corrupt leadership and whether or not they get a boat of oil, it's not going to matter."
TheChildren rank	Mon Mar 30 08:44:15 of curse they gonna back down lol word was russias tankas was escorted by nuclear subs and warships
jergul rank	Mon Mar 30 11:39:47 The tanker is currently unloading in Cuba.
williamthebastard rank	Mon Mar 30 13:41:29 "A Norwegian medical Dr. Isn't pimped out by the state." Because theyre not a dictatorship. Even when they were one of the most socialist countries the world has ever seen, they never came at all close to keeping doctors' passports, because thats not a communist doctrine but a dictatorship doctrine. This is just American brainwashing. All of the dictatorships in the ME are extreme conservative regimes and look at the freedoms the ban
murder rank	Mon Mar 30 13:42:40 What they need is charcoal. -
williamthebastard rank	Mon Mar 30 13:46:21 "Pinochet was a right-wing authoritarian ruler, combining conservative politics with military dictatorship. He was strongly anti-communist and came to power after overthrowing the leftist government of Salvador Allende His regime promoted free-market economic policies influenced by neoliberal economists Under Augusto Pinochet, citizens were sometimes allowed to leave Chile, but not freely or equally. However, suspected dissidents could be denied passports or exit permission Some exiles were not allowed to return, even if they wanted to"
williamthebastard rank	Mon Mar 30 13:57:07 And, of course, as mentioned, nationalism is as collectivist and anti-individualist as it gets, where youre expected to die a brutal death in a foreign country for the collective whenever required and to see the group symbol (the flag) as the most holy artefact. "Heroism on command, senseless violence, and all the loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of patriotism -- how passionately I hate them!" - Einstein
Habebe rank	Mon Mar 30 13:57:26 Wtb isn't even making sense.
murder rank	Mon Mar 30 13:57:57 "A Norwegian medical Dr. Isn't pimped out by the state." I'm not familiar with Norway, but I would assume that they might be if they are in the armed forces. The US does or used to ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercy-class_hospital_ship https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Continuing_Promise
williamthebastard rank	Mon Mar 30 14:27:31 I cant imagine what it was about that childishly easy-to-read post that confused Habebe, but when there's a wall of American brainwashing between the two of you that equals the brainwashing going on in North Korea, communication does tend to break down
williamthebastard rank	Mon Mar 30 14:47:21 Its not just American propaganda that makes Americans less aware of the world around them than the world around them is of them, however, e.g. re: the thread on social classes. Its a combination of propaganda and Ivory Tower Syndrome.
Habebe rank	Mon Mar 30 15:06:47 Murder, The difference is Norweigans, can leave and go elsewhere.
Habebe rank	Mon Mar 30 15:08:22 He (wtb) doesn't get it.....the irony.
Habebe rank	Mon Mar 30 15:14:01 Was curious to see how far he was stretching shit this time. Did Pinochet force people to stay? No, Pinochet generally did not prevent people from leaving Chile. In fact, his regime's approach was quite different from other authoritarian states. During Pinochet's dictatorship (1973-1990): Emigration was allowed: Many Chileans fled into exile to escape political persecution, and the regime typically permitted this. Hundreds of thousands left during his rule. Active exile policy: The government sometimes formally exiled political opponents, forcing them to leave rather than keeping them trapped inside. Return restrictions: While people could leave, many exiles were banned from returning to Chile. The regime maintained lists of people prohibited from re-entering the country. This created a large Chilean diaspora, particularly in countries like Argentina, Mexico, Sweden, Canada, and Australia. The exiles included prominent political figures, intellectuals, artists, and ordinary citizens fleeing repression. This contrasts with regimes like East Germany or Cuba that built walls and heavily restricted exit. Pinochet's strategy was more about eliminating domestic opposition - whether through disappearance, imprisonment, or allowing/forcing departure - rather than forcing people to remain.
Habebe rank	Mon Mar 30 15:14:34 Not to mention that he seems unfamiliar with Marx....
williamthebastard rank	Mon Mar 30 15:22:45 who seems unfamiliar with Marx, village idjit? Marx never ever mentioned anything about not letting people leave or anything approaching that at all. Marx was an internationalist, in fact. The most famous communist anthem was The Internationale and the most famous communist slogan was "Workers of the world, unite!". Dictatorships have done that, not Marxism. I had to pass exams on the writings of among other people Marx in university and you have never read a single paragraph on him, brainwashed bumpkin You live in a fantasy world where things that have never existed are facts to you. You believe in the opposite to the real world, in very many cases.
Pillz rank	Mon Mar 30 15:30:55 wtb larping that he passed university again lol
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