Utopia Talk / Politics / "Middle class" around the world

Habebe rank	Fri Mar 27 04:57:17 So, similarly to how "bankruptcy" has drastically dofferent meanings and conotations in the US than Europe. US= A way to get a clean slate and not pay excessive debt. EU=A way to keep working and paying off your debt, literally until its paid off. I seen this short YT video on what middle class means. US it's very literal and tied soley to your income/money. UK even wealthy lawyers/bankers with no inherited titles or such can still be called middle class. How many arguments on here have been mistepresented by the same words meaning different things to different ppl?
williamthebastard rank	Fri Mar 27 07:02:57 Youre as wrong about this as you are with all that weird nonsense about healthcare that I stopped reading because it was so divorced from reality. Wealthy lawyers etc are called UPPER middle class. We also have just a middle class, a lowe middle class, a working class and aristocracy. However, in the US, the working class like to call themselves themiddle class because it makes them feel less poor
williamthebastard rank	Fri Mar 27 07:06:56 Oh, and we also have the "upper class". So: Aristocracy/upper class (upper class meaning you may not have an aristocratic title but youre as rich as them), upper middle class, middle class, lower middle class, working class. and in some cases the underclass (unemployed, homeless etc)
Habebe rank	Fri Mar 27 07:20:59 Yeah I'm the one divorced from the reality of MY OWN HEALTH INSURANCE....which I literally cited the plan coverage. https://youtube.com/shorts/N_MNi-KLtBg?si=kXDjsCkdMp5p0d_M This is how WTB sort of sees the US....except that also the guy gets a cold so he loses his house and car, and is arrested where he dies because the cold medicine just cost too much.
williamthebastard rank	Fri Mar 27 07:27:04 The ehtire planet is shocked by your awful hezlthcare system, for gods sake...now tell me again completley incorrectly about how we call wealthy bankers the middle class again lol
williamthebastard rank	Fri Mar 27 07:29:18 You need to learn to spot the massive telegraph pole in your own eye before talking about the splinter in other peoples eyes
williamthebastard rank	Fri Mar 27 07:35:40 Just under half of U.S. adults say it is difficult to afford health care costs, and about three in ten say they or a family member in their household had problems paying for health care in the past 12 months. About one-third (36%) of adults say that in the past 12 months they have skipped or postponed getting health care they needed because of the cost. About two-thirds of adults say they are either “very worried” (32%) or “somewhat worried” (34%) about being able to afford the cost of health care for themselves and their families. ...and on and on and on, and meanwhile I personally know one guy who killed himelf because of medical costs and another guy who received a bill for EUR 13k for 6 hours hospital for his sick kid. But none of this exists because it apparently hasnt happened to Habebe. You live in a dreamworld http://www...lenges-with-health-care-costs/
williamthebastard rank	Fri Mar 27 07:38:24 "Roughly one-third of Americans cut back on food, utilities or other daily expenses to pay for healthcare last year," Thats just unheard of in the entire developed world and lots of places in the undeveloped world too http://www...-2025-survey-shows-2026-03-12/
jergul rank	Fri Mar 27 11:12:04 Here is a good definition of middle class. You have paid for violin/piano lessons for more than two years for your offspring.
williamthebastard rank	Fri Mar 27 15:55:22 I see that 81% of Fox viewers say that healthcare costs are their greatest concern after inflation. Amazing in a country where healthcare costs arent a concern.
Habebe rank	Fri Mar 27 17:03:12 Wtb, Ppl always (everywhete) say that things USED to be better in regards to crime for example....its a known phenomenon, even in far safer times. Again, Im not saying it's not a concern, Im merely stating that you have no concept of US bankruptcy since you don't clean slate options, they basically force you to pay off even excessive debts. Im also stating factual healthcare insurance and how it actually works in the US. Our HC system is absolutely fucked, but letting you get a free slate is a benefit, plus under like $60k I pay $1 or free for most medications, Ive had free surgeries, specialist care, dental.cleaning and cavity drill/filled and even a partial dental (one molar) all.covered by free insurance from.county assistance that is readily.available on a sliding scale and is similar to most county insurance plans.
williamthebastard rank	Fri Mar 27 19:36:07 "Wtb, Ppl always (everywhete) say that things USED to be better in regards to crime for example....its a known phenomenon, even in far safer times." No, concern about healthcare costs is not a known phenomenon in the rest of the rich world, including several places in poorer parts of the world. Nobody in the rest of the world lists health costs as a worry at all. Your healthcare arguments are fiction. If I get cancer and get hospitalized for 2 months, guess what my bill will be when I leave. Have a guess.
williamthebastard rank	Fri Mar 27 19:39:51 Ill tell you. About $22. Go to youtube and search for "American experiences European healthcare". Youtube is saturated with clips like the one below, but Ive never seen a clip with an american saying the opposite. There must be one somewhere, but a tiny fraction of clips like the one below: http://www.youtube.com/shorts/kf_Ih73sa50
williamthebastard rank	Fri Mar 27 19:44:23 * Nobody in the rest of the *rich* world
Habebe rank	Fri Mar 27 20:09:32 Didn't say it was. Im telling you as someone who has US healthcare. Videos are made because ppl like you watch them. Thats literally why videos are made. What exactly are you claiming about US HC? Because alot of your claims Ive debunked. I jave seen (IIRC a canadian) telling how terrible care was in Canada compared to the US....but again we spend shit loads more, and really I wouldn't cRe probably that drs offices have peeling paint and no ponds etc.
Habebe rank	Fri Mar 27 20:10:07 Didn't say it was. Im telling you as someone who has US healthcare. Videos are made because ppl like you watch them. Thats literally why videos are made. What exactly are you claiming about US HC? Because alot of your claims Ive debunked. I jave seen (IIRC a canadian) telling how terrible care was in Canada compared to the US....but again we spend shit loads more, and really I wouldn't cRe probably that drs offices have peeling paint and no ponds etc. Wait times are shittier than the US generally especially for sp3cialist care.
williamthebastard rank	Fri Mar 27 20:26:54 youre so brainwashed and so wrong about the real world. Living in your fantasy world. "Wait times are shittier than the US generally especially for sp3cialist care." "The waiting times were faster, if you ask me": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VslZgBQ926c You dont have even the tiniest clue, youve never been anywhere near healthcare in the USA, you couldnt possibly know, yet you just spout fiction that you know you dont have any knowledge about. Its such a foreign way of thinking to me, to invent things you havent checked or have no knowledge of but want to be true. I never form opinions without checking serious sources first - you are the opposite; a bundle of emotions that want to find confirmation. So strange to live such a short life in this universe and shut your eyes to it. The topic of this thread is a good example of how you make assumptions that are totally, completely incorrect. But live in your fantasy world, since it feels better for you than living in the physical world - you do you to survive.
williamthebastard rank	Fri Mar 27 20:27:53 * You dont have even the tiniest clue, youve never been anywhere near healthcare in Europe,
Habebe rank	Sat Mar 28 06:27:54 Im living in the fantasy world....by explaining and citing WHAT IVE ACTUALLY LIVED....
Seb rank	Sat Mar 28 12:06:37 Habebe: The UK definitions come from a different social history. You had the upper class, a.k.a landed gentry. Not titled aristocracy but people who owned a lot of land and later investments got their money from rents. Capital. Then you had the middle class: people who had some wealth but also needed to work (or their job provides access do social status) to sustain the kind of lifestyle and social cachet of the wealthy. Normally well educated professions: lawyers, doctors, academics, priests, senior military officers etc. Middle class. You call them white collar workers. Then you have the lower class: manual workers. Inexplicably you call these people middle class in the US; presumably because you had slaves and freed slaves as a lower societal rung the bottom.
Habebe rank	Sat Mar 28 17:31:13 Seb, Class is almost entirely based on income here, I know a commercial plumber who is upper class since he owns the company and does very well.
jergul rank	Sat Mar 28 17:53:11 Middle class in the US = Class in the Middle. 2/3ds to twice the median income. Lower class income below that Upper class income above that. Working class - Employee without a Uni degree BA equivalent or better. Professional class - Uni degree BA+ ========== So a completely different measure that has very little to do with classical classes. Basically just a statistical measure. So the middle class can only have it worse if the upper and/or lower class improves. Nice to clear that up. The average joe is indeed middle class by definition. In Europe he would be working class. You would be part of the Lumpen (simple/base/trash) Proletariat (working class) Habebe. According to a classical understanding :).
williamthebastard rank	Sat Mar 28 18:01:30 Ah, the good old days when GaryD liked to lecture me on how classes dont exist in the USA because the USA is not a communist country lol
williamthebastard rank	Sat Mar 28 18:07:04 Little did the completley uneducated far right bumpkin realize the irony of the fact that the classless society he imagined the USA was would mean the US was a communist country
Habebe rank	Sat Mar 28 18:32:19 GaryD hasn't been on here in a long time. That said I still remember Beast, Cyrian, lightCC and Baskerlar.
murder rank	Sat Mar 28 20:04:53 "Working class - Employee without a Uni degree BA equivalent or better." There's no shortage of Americans with degrees that are still working class. "So a completely different measure that has very little to do with classical classes. Basically just a statistical measure." Exactly. -
williamthebastard rank	Sat Mar 28 20:07:33 Class didnt used to be based solely on money. There used to be a respected clergy class that didnt have much money, intellectual classes etc. Today, its basically all about money, a sad judgement on the world today.
jergul rank	Sat Mar 28 21:08:07 Its still not based solely on money. Its just how they do it in the USA.
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