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Rugian rank	Tue Apr 07 13:08:24 Will Iran be bombed back into the Stone Ages? Will Trump decide to partake in some TACO Tuesday? Will the markets ever stop falling for early morning White House statements that are clearly designed to make them pump? Will Congress ever do anything? Hans, are we the baddies? Stay tuned everyone. 8:00 PM tonight!
williamthebastard rank	Tue Apr 07 14:20:37 Apparently, Trump bombed several million bridges from his personal F-35 this morning and is now eating a big mac in the McDonalds he quickly erected in Teheran at a fraction of the cost they usually cost to build, because he's the world's greatest developer. Source: Sam Adams
Rugian rank	Tue Apr 07 14:37:35 Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again. I don’t want that to happen, but it probably will. However, now that we have Complete and Total Regime Change, where different, smarter, and less radicalized minds prevail, maybe something revolutionarily wonderful can happen, WHO KNOWS? We will find out tonight, one of the most important moments in the long and complex history of the World. 47 years of extortion, corruption, and death, will finally end. God Bless the Great People of Iran!
Rugian rank	Tue Apr 07 14:42:26 "Lead them to Paradise"
williamthebastard rank	Tue Apr 07 14:46:15 Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again. Children crying in terror in the arms of mothers shaking in fear in cellars all over Teheran: "Hey, creating uncertainty is just the art of the deal, nothing to worry about" - Habebe
jergul rank	Tue Apr 07 14:57:24 Nuclear weapons are the only way to even get close to the damage he is projecting. Conventional "no more mr nice guy" does not ring true at all. The US and Israel have been giving it their best shots for what? 40 days now? This could get really bad.
jergul rank	Tue Apr 07 14:58:37 Note the passive tense. "Will die" not "I will kill". Such an upstanding guy.
Average Ameriacn rank	Tue Apr 07 15:15:10 I think he’s going to paralyze Tehran. He’ll destroy all the power plants and water treatment facilities that serve Tehran. Within three days at the latest, the residents will storm the mullahs’ palace and bring the regime to an end. Then they’ll use smoke signals to indicate that they want to surrender completely.
murder rank	Tue Apr 07 16:12:21 "A whole civilization will die tonight" One of the world's oldest civilizations dies tonight. - It'll either be ... "The End of Persian Civilization Day" or TACO Tuesday again or A massive failure that doesn't end Persian civilization but makes the US an even bigger global pariah. -
Habebe rank	Tue Apr 07 16:41:51 I honestly think WTB sees his posts as profound and accurate. Legit, all I said was that Trump routinely "puts many balls in the air" and intentionally injects uncertainty into almost everything, its his M.O.
Sam Adams rank	Tue Apr 07 16:58:36 WTB is mentally ill. Like actually. "Lead them to Paradise" Great line. That line hits hard. Can't wait for 3. Anyway trump should do the funniest thing. I have suspicions.. We will see what actually happens.
jergul rank	Tue Apr 07 17:06:35 Murder What scares me most is the uncertainty that the world has the moral fiber to make the US and Israel global pariahs.
Sam Adams rank	Tue Apr 07 17:12:39 Global pariahs? To who? A few criers in euro wussland? China and Russia are impressed with our strength. Most of the middle east and Eastern Europe are on our side. The third world literally does not care. Outside of a few crying leftists with a birth rate of 0... an utterly irrelevant population... And some Islamic fundamentalists(the actual global pariahs) who is against us? Lol jergul you and France can cry together though.
jergul rank	Tue Apr 07 17:19:39 What might get the US in the end is recapitalization in the ME drawing net cashflows out of the US. There will not be much left of oil and gas infrastructure anywhere down there if Trump gets his way.
jergul rank	Tue Apr 07 17:22:31 Sammy Your weakness. Nobody mistakes your position as one of strength. Flailing to avoid paying the piper for profoundly illegal mistakes. Your fundamental weakness is of the reasons I think nukes may be on the table. You are running out of escalatory options.
jergul rank	Tue Apr 07 17:23:39 Putin obviously thinks the US is his bitch. For good reason.
murder rank	Tue Apr 07 17:29:23 "China and Russia are impressed with our strength." What strength? The Islamic Republic is still standing and open for business despite the US attacking it for over a month. -
williamthebastard rank	Tue Apr 07 17:40:23 Habebe, you having serious mental illneses and thinking the govt sneaked in and planted a transmitter in your head while you were sleeping only goes so far to protect you from me telling you who you really are. There are loads of terrorists with serious mental problems too, but that is never an excuse, particularly in your republican-Nazi world. Because it is indisputable that the GOP is the Nazi party of our era.
williamthebastard rank	Tue Apr 07 17:48:45 "A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again." This guys clearly demonstrates excellent anti-war leadership skills. Im voting for him! - American republicans' sense of good judgement at work
Sam Adams rank	Tue Apr 07 17:57:11 "profoundly illegal" Ahahahaha What is illegal exactly,. Embarrassing the soviet bloc?
Allahuakbar rank	Tue Apr 07 18:27:37 The people will never surrender to the devil Trump! https://x.com/Shayan86/status/2041551786687799687 Footage published by Iran's Fars news agency shows pro-government protesters forming what Fars describes as "a human chain" in front of the Kazerun combined cycle power plant in light of President Trump's deadline for a deal.
jergul rank	Tue Apr 07 18:32:02 Planning and initiating a war of aggression is the big war crime that in sum encompasses all the lesser warcrimes that stem from it. People have hanged for less. You understand this as well as any gauleiter did back then. You are a useless idiot if we are to be charitable, but you could reasonably be called worse things.
tumbleweed rank	Tue Apr 07 18:42:21 so the two possibilities are: a) the thing that definitely won't happen or b) a thing Trump will claim is "something revolutionarily wonderful" & "one of the most important moments in the long and complex history of the World"... as he says similarly about many things hard to say...
Sam Adams rank	Tue Apr 07 18:50:24 Iran : chants death to America every day for 47 years Jergul : screams illegal war of aggression when we finally get fed up and pop iran. Lmfao
jergul rank	Tue Apr 07 19:11:18 Your friends Russia and China just vetoed a resolution that crazy people like yourself would have understood to mean the authorization to use force. That is how much those two countries love and respect you. Rofl. So, well, nice try, lol. The illegal war of aggression continues.
Paramount rank	Tue Apr 07 19:17:29 Americans has been chanting BOMB IRAN for at least 73 years, and then they and the Brits, in 1953, overthrew the democratically elected government in Iran.
TheChildren rank	Tue Apr 07 19:19:43 is u WINNIN yet csammy https://youtu.be/jmmuJ64bnBE?t=11 Rofl
murder rank	Tue Apr 07 19:39:56 "Footage published by Iran's Fars news agency shows pro-government protesters forming what Fars describes as "a human chain" in front of the Kazerun combined cycle power plant in light of President Trump's deadline for a deal." Putting all the regime supporters at the target sites? Fucking brilliant! I'm beginning to think Persians are stupid. -
jergul rank	Tue Apr 07 19:44:19 Murder It is just a daytime protest. And certainly not all regime supporter. Regime support is probably about the same as Trumps approval rating.
Paramount rank	Tue Apr 07 19:45:31 ” "A whole civilization will die tonight"” So the JewSA are going to kill Nimatzo and all of his relatives and friends? lol
jergul rank	Tue Apr 07 19:46:06 (and as always, killing one generates 3 more. That is the problem with a large indifferent and anti group. Killing their friends and family changes their positions).
Sam Adams rank	Tue Apr 07 20:12:46 ”Putting all the regime supporters at the target sites? Fucking brilliant! " Lol amazing isn't it.
williamthebastard rank	Tue Apr 07 21:07:42 Everyone knows that nothing unites a people more than being attacked by a foreign invader, but the GOP lies through its rotting teeth because it clashes with their goal to commit religious Rapturous genocide
williamthebastard rank	Tue Apr 07 21:27:28 We need to start killing off the rapture party.
murder rank	Tue Apr 07 23:10:51 Less than 3 hours of Persian civilization left. Trump said so! -
tumbleweed rank	Tue Apr 07 23:26:28 a congressional republican: "... let me be clear: I do not support the destruction of a "whole civilization." That is not who we are, and it is not consistent with the principles that have long guided America" his whole statement: https://x.com/RepNateMoran/status/2041586429164450028 their fuckhead idiot cult leader sure puts them in positions having to say the stupidest shit...
tumbleweed rank	Tue Apr 07 23:28:19 ...& tomorrow he'll be 'Trump was so wise to back off his threat, thank god we have such a bold & courageous leader'...
Rugian rank	Tue Apr 07 23:38:39 Well Trump hasn't TACOed yet...he's spent the afternoon re-sending out his previous demands that the Indiana GOP purge the party of members who refused to vote for gerrymandering (as if ~2 seats are really going to make a difference in the midterms). You know...the kind of stuff you worry about in the hours leading up to you wiping a civilization off the face of the planet.
Rugian rank	Tue Apr 07 23:49:12 "How many bridges are in Iran According to Iran's Bridge Management System (BMS), there are approximately 300,000 bridges and technical structures in the country. Out of this total, only about 185 bridges are longer than 100 meters (330 ft), and only 42 bridges have a main span exceeding 50 meters (165 ft)." It probably wasn't wise of Iran to publish that particular statistic...
tumbleweed rank	Wed Apr 08 00:02:06 boy, will my face be red when they blow up all 300,000 bridges by midnight
Sam Adams rank	Wed Apr 08 00:06:46 How many bridges *were there in iran
Rugian rank	Wed Apr 08 00:08:49 Lol
jergul rank	Wed Apr 08 00:19:26 Well, I am going to bed. I hope my homestead investment does not pay off huge dividends in the coming years.
Rugian rank	Wed Apr 08 00:21:26 Sleep well. At least Tromso is an unlikely target as far as terrorist reprisals go.
murder rank	Wed Apr 08 00:31:37 90 minutes to go! -
murder rank	Wed Apr 08 00:34:57 How can you go to bed at a time like this? This is one of the most important events in human history! -
tumbleweed rank	Wed Apr 08 00:41:38 damn, it shockingly has been put off " Based on conversations with Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif and Field Marshal Asim Munir, of Pakistan, and wherein they requested that I hold off the destructive force being sent tonight to Iran, and subject to the Islamic Republic of Iran agreeing to the COMPLETE, IMMEDIATE, and SAFE OPENING of the Strait of Hormuz, I agree to suspend the bombing and attack of Iran for a period of two weeks. This will be a double sided CEASEFIRE! The reason for doing so is that we have already met and exceeded all Military objectives, and are very far along with a definitive Agreement concerning Longterm PEACE with Iran, and PEACE in the Middle East. We received a 10 point proposal from Iran, and believe it is a workable basis on which to negotiate. Almost all of the various points of past contention have been agreed to between the United States and Iran, but a two week period will allow the Agreement to be finalized and consummated. On behalf of the United States of America, as President, and also representing the Countries of the Middle East, it is an Honor to have this Longterm problem close to resolution. Thank you for your attention to this matter! President DONALD J. TRUMP "
Rugian rank	Wed Apr 08 00:45:34 TACO My balls are purple they're so blue. What the fuck Trump.
murder rank	Wed Apr 08 00:47:08 TACOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! :o)
murder rank	Wed Apr 08 00:53:24 jergul didn't lose any sleep and didn't miss anything. -
Rugian rank	Wed Apr 08 00:55:20 Wait though so is Iran opening the strait then? Sounds like they haven't agreed to shit.
Rugian rank	Wed Apr 08 00:55:43 Brb, gonna get some Old El Paso for dinner.
murder rank	Wed Apr 08 00:57:42 I doubt that Iran agreed to anything, but we'll see. Trump lies anyway, so bombs may be dropping in 60 minutes anyway. -
Rugian rank	Wed Apr 08 01:07:23 Iran accepted Pakistan’s two-week cease-fire proposal following frantic diplomatic efforts by Pakistan and last-minute intervention by China, a key ally, asking Iran to show flexibility and defuse tensions, and amid growing concerns about the economic devastation from damages to critical infrastructure, according to three Iranian officials. They said the cease-fire was approved by the new supreme leader, Ayatollah Mojtaba Khamenei. https://ww...4/07/world/iran-war-trump-news Well...that's it then.
tumbleweed rank	Wed Apr 08 01:10:43 makes us look pretty fucking weak... desperate for Iran to agree plus bringing up -their- 10 point plan as the negotiating point
Rugian rank	Wed Apr 08 01:12:13 "Ryan Grim @ryangrim Oh, this is unbelievable. The edit history on this tweet shows that Pakistan Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif originally copied and pasted everything he was sent, including: "*Draft - Pakistan's PM Message on X*" Now, obviously, Sharif's own staff don't call him "Pakistan's PM," they would just call him prime minister. The U.S. and Israel, of course, would call him "Pakistan's PM." Would be funny if the fate of the world wasn't hanging in the balance." https://x.com/ryangrim/status/2041622790298616241
Rugian rank	Wed Apr 08 01:13:47 ^ regarding Sharif's request for a two week ceasefire Did the US really feed that script to him? Lmao
Sam Adams rank	Wed Apr 08 01:20:14 Lol I dunno what's going on here but it sounds gay.
murder rank	Wed Apr 08 01:22:02 "makes us look pretty fucking weak... desperate for Iran to agree plus bringing up -their- 10 point plan as the negotiating point" If Iran accepted the deal then Trump won. Iran is smashed and has no leverage to get ANYTHING they wanted. -
tumbleweed rank	Wed Apr 08 01:34:23 they have the same leverage of threat over the strait as always & now Trump accepting their 10 point plan as the framework for a deal (& endorsing their current leadership as 'regime change')
Pillz rank	Wed Apr 08 01:38:54 Jergul said they'd accept him weeks ago.
Rugian rank	Wed Apr 08 01:56:46 Dow and S&P futures both up 2% right now Someday we're going to find out that Lutnick bought a massive fuckton of call options at 3:59 PM.
tumbleweed rank	Wed Apr 08 01:57:14 ...& Israel is not happy i'm sure they realize this 'excursion' hasn't done much of anything about Iran seeking a nuclear weapon & did not in fact bring about regime change unfortunately for them, Trump only cares about claiming he's accomplished things rather than actually accomplishing things
Rugian rank	Wed Apr 08 02:10:06 Iran claims victory, says it forced US to accept 10-point plan By Michael Rios Iran says it has achieved a great victory and forced the United States to accept its 10-point plan, according to a statement from Iran’s Supreme National Security Council. As part of the plan, the US has in principle agreed to lift all primary and secondary sanctions against Iran and to withdraw US combat forces from all bases in the region, the council said. It has also agreed to accept Iran’s nuclear enrichment and recognize its continued control over the Strait of Hormuz, according to the council. Controlled passage through the waterway would be carried out “in coordination with Iran’s armed forces,” it added. CNN is reaching out to US officials for comment. “The enemy, in its unfair, unlawful, and criminal war against the Iranian nation, has suffered an undeniable, historic, and crushing defeat,” the council statement read. “Our hands remain on the trigger, and at the slightest mistake by the enemy, a full-force response will be delivered,” it warned. https://ww...09356t0ocxjd1o&t=1775606902455
Rugian rank	Wed Apr 08 02:12:30 This may be the first war in my lifetime where I literally can't tell if it's the enemy state or the US government that's more full of shit.
williamthebastard rank	Wed Apr 08 03:08:05 rofl the king of Taco. Taco king got Valerian'd and is currently on all fours with a fine shoe brush clenched firmly in his sphincter
Rugian rank	Wed Apr 08 03:10:45 WTB Less Valerian, more Jovian.
williamthebastard rank	Wed Apr 08 03:56:03 He hasnt even tried to claim this was the greatest victory in all human history. Too many generals telling the rich version of csam adams that they’d go public with their 25th amendment recommendation.
Habebe rank	Wed Apr 08 04:12:02 Rugian, It feels like they are trolling.
williamthebastard rank	Wed Apr 08 04:14:16 The full ten point plan hasnt been released, but "No official version of the proposal has been made available, but a summary released by Iran's Supreme National Security Council includes demands for the following: The Strait of Hormuz to be reopened "under the co-ordination of the Armed Forces of Iran". The war against "all components" of Iran's Axis of Resistance to end. US forces to withdraw from "all bases and points of deployment within the region". The establishment of a "secure transit protocol" in the Strait of Hormuz. The full payment of compensation to Iran. The lifting of all primary and secondary sanctions, as well as the resolutions of the Board of Governors and the Security Council. The release of all frozen Iranian assets and properties abroad." Ouch, each point is total humiliation
Pillz rank	Wed Apr 08 04:39:29 War was just a cover for the annexation of Lebanon
tumbleweed rank	Wed Apr 08 05:11:01 Trump wants CNN criminally investigated for putting out that post above... & his corrupt FCC henchman Brendan Carr jumped right on it, quoting Trump & taking the ever-liar's word for it that it was fraud: " More outrageous conduct from CNN. Fake news is bad enough for the country, but pushing out a hoax headline in such a sensitive national security moment as this requires accountability. Iran put out an official statement that simply cannot be squared with the one CNN's false headline attributes to them. Time for change at CNN. " ~ Brendan Carr... doing absolutely no checking to see if yeah, maybe the council did put out that statement just as CNN said... https://x.com/BrendanCarrFCC/status/2041682254783533301
Average Ameriacn rank	Wed Apr 08 05:13:47 Trump keeps on winning! I think that we should bomb Mexico next.
tumbleweed rank	Wed Apr 08 05:35:45 it's Cuba next (& he's also brought up Greenland bitterness again recently) perhaps we'll just flee now since supposedly the Strait is open & we just forget about actually making some deal & it's others problem if they institute the tolls
Pillz rank	Wed Apr 08 05:48:04 Iran hit saudi arabia
tumbleweed rank	Wed Apr 08 06:23:40 fuckhead pretending a deal already made & is happy for Iran to rebuild now... " A big day for World Peace! Iran wants it to happen, they’ve had enough! Likewise, so has everyone else! The United States of America will be helping with the traffic buildup in the Strait of Hormuz. There will be lots of positive action! Big money will be made. Iran can start the reconstruction process. We’ll be loading up with supplies of all kinds, and just “hangin’ around” in order to make sure that everything goes well. I feel confident that it will. Just like we are experiencing in the U.S., this could be the Golden Age of the Middle East!!! President DONALD J. TRUMP "
williamthebastard rank	Wed Apr 08 06:31:48 He's literally trying to find out how many iranian cocks he can fit into his mouth and ass at the same time
Seb rank	Wed Apr 08 07:16:08 We should take a moment to feel sorry for NaMBLA. He had the lotion and tissues ready for all the photos of dead school children he was expecting to see on X today. Instead he finds Trump has agreed to a bunch of Iran's demands instead.
tumbleweed rank	Wed Apr 08 07:17:46 " US 'President' Donald Trump tells AFP that Iran’s uranium will be “perfectly taken care of” under a two-week ceasefire deal with Tehran. “That will be perfectly taken care of or I wouldn’t have settled,” Trump says in a telephone interview when asked about what would happen to Iran’s enriched uranium. He adds the United States won a “total and complete victory. 100 percent. No question about it.” " https://ww...ms-total-and-complete-victory/ oh, well that's that then... he totally isn't just talking out of his ass as ALWAYS... (not that "perfectly taken care of" means much of anything to begin with)
TheChildren rank	Wed Apr 08 07:34:05 we kno wut happened isaw these "xperts" on telly...i kno right i havent watched telly 4 like 10-15 years..everythings computa nowadays lol but those idiots said one of da ways they wuld try 2 pull out of da war is by pretendin they had gotten rid of all iranans enrich and shit, or alternatives they wuld simply accept and proclaim they reached all there objectives and shit which if we go by da theoriez, they tried 2 do last weekend unda da cova of da pilot...and if we is 2 believe da resultin fire fight and burned 2 crisps jet...we kno u lost jets and choppas and shit, we kno it went 2 shit 4 u reaaal bad. so now da realzation is kickin in. dis is unwinnable illegal war they is tryin 2 exit
Seb rank	Wed Apr 08 08:02:26 So basically, Trump further shredded the US's moral standing and credibility by threatening genocide in what looks to me an attempt to trick his supporters into thinking his concession of Iranian strategic victory was in fact a victory for Trump? I mean sure Habebe might have a point about injecting uncertainty - but he's mistaken as to who is getting confused and conned: the Maga voters not Americas enemies.
Seb rank	Wed Apr 08 08:13:46 US version of the Suez crisis. MAGA speed-running imperial decline.
jergul rank	Wed Apr 08 09:31:25 Seb In some ways yes. Oman and Iran seem to have agreed on a tariff regime for the strait. I can't fault that even if OMAN is party to UNCLOS.
Paramount rank	Wed Apr 08 10:07:23 I can’t believe that Iran has agreed to abandon any of its demands. If they have it is a mistake. In fact, this supposed ”ceasefire” is surprising because Iran has said that they are not interested in a ceasefire, only in a complete cessation of hostilities. Did the US in fact agree to a complete cessation of hostilities against Iran, but they are spinning it as a ”ceasefire” and a ”victory”? The US will have to agree to all of Iran’s ten points. If not, Iran must continue to strike US assets in the region and continue until the US caves. But Iran should probably continue to strike US assets nonetheless because we know that the US can not be trusted. The best is to continue striking them until every trace of them is gone from the Middle East. But if it’s true that Trump has had enough and that the US has agreed to stop its attacks on Iran, it’s a win for Iran. Iran can continue to retaliate against Israel and keep striking them until its people rise up and overthrows its genocidal fascist regime.
jergul rank	Wed Apr 08 10:26:48 Para It does not matter at this point. Iran lucked out with a pro tariff US president. Nationalizing narrow straits rolls back one of the great colonial successes. Freedom on navigation is the keystone to resource exploitation (raw materials to industrial countries paid for with trinkets sent back. Industrialization in the developing world very difficult. Insert costs like transport tariffs and local industrialization starts to make a lot more sense). Nevermind that it gives Iran (and Oman) a sanction proof revenue stream. It also encourages better development in the ME. Why export crude when products can be fully refined and the value added harvested in the gulf countries instead of abroad?
jergul rank	Wed Apr 08 10:28:37 Ironically, this development aligns Iran closer to the vision the last shah had for the country. He always thought it was silly to export oil in barrel form and certainly believed Iran should master and use the nuclear cycle.
jergul rank	Wed Apr 08 10:33:55 As to the deal itself. Oil will struggle against fundamentals. It will take a long time for production to match consumption. The deficit in the meantime will press oil back up to 110-120 range (my estimate). Not sentiment driven like until now. There is just not enough oil on the market and the way to balance that is to throttle demand slightly using pricing mechanisms. My range is about where demand will actually decrease as oil consumption is not really that price sensitive.
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