Utopia Talk / Politics / lol seb... RN in shambles

Sam Adams rank	Tue Apr 07 18:48:38 The 1 ship the royal navy claimed to be working well enough to deploy... Is now broken. https://x.com/SYS_04_/status/2041549254653575215?s=20
jergul rank	Tue Apr 07 19:41:16 Or the UK is simply affording an excuse not to bother. Nobody wants to be linked to what you are doing sammy. Because it is very bad.
Sam Adams rank	Tue Apr 07 20:10:31 Bwomming Iran is ILLEEEEEEEEEGAL!!! Lol The real reason is the UK is incompetent and can't even surge a single destroyer. There is also a rumor her air defense didn't work and a hezb missile got her. That seems unlikely and still bad, but less gay.
Seb rank	Tue Apr 07 20:39:17 What a scheduled maintenance stop in the based at cypress she's protecting and can continue to protect from dock? Are you fucking kidding me? It's not like she's dropped a couple of planes over the edge into the drink, bashed herself up on a cargo ship, caught fire that took the fire over 24 hours to subdue and had the toilets fail.
Seb rank	Tue Apr 07 20:40:44 If you are reading the daily mail, important to read at least the third paragraph a that's where they inevitably admit the first two paragraphs are essentially lies.
Seb rank	Tue Apr 07 20:41:10 *this is a general rule, but happens to be true on this incident too.
jergul rank	Tue Apr 07 20:41:13 You forgot "bumped into Ocean floor".
Sam Adams rank	Tue Apr 07 20:42:17 So after being deployed for like a week or 2 she needs a mx stop? Lmfao
jergul rank	Tue Apr 07 20:44:19 Do you get the feeling the UK is dragging its heels? I wonder why. Rofl.
Sam Adams rank	Tue Apr 07 20:47:52 Because starmer/seb are cowards and appeasers without a working navy?
jergul rank	Tue Apr 07 20:50:26 You feel like the UK is appeasing you? You do get that you are the Hitler in this analogy, right?
jergul rank	Tue Apr 07 20:51:14 Sure, Iran sucks and Poland was a crackpot dictatorship in 1939. Your point?
Sam Adams rank	Tue Apr 07 20:51:40 Lol the war is ILLEEEEEEEEEGAL cries jergul
jergul rank	Tue Apr 07 20:52:47 Absolutely. It is one of the reasons no one likes you any more.
Seb rank	Tue Apr 07 20:55:40 NaMBLA. She was pulled out of maintenance to deploy. She was in dry dock for 6 weeks maintenance to go when the decision to deploy was made and expected to go into routine deployment in home waters after. They compressed that down to one week by deferring routine maintenance that could be deferred or completed in Cyprus (seems to be related to desal system) and kitted her out for sustained high intensity operations. All this crap from the daily mail and telegraph is just thinly veiled bullshit to attack the govt. from the same papers that championed the govt that cut us from 12 down to 6 DDs in the first place so they could give tax breaks to the CSams that have gone to live in Dubai and now expect us to fund their evacuations.
Sam Adams rank	Tue Apr 07 20:57:14 "She was pulled out of maintenance to deploy.” Yes. Because you don't have a working navy. Lol
Seb rank	Tue Apr 07 21:00:35 Bottom line, Dragon can track and shoot down drones and missiles aimed at Akrotiri while it's tied to the pier getting it's desalination plant serviced. It's not a big deal.
Seb rank	Tue Apr 07 21:06:00 NaMBLA: We do, it's just committed elsewhere, either patrolling the Atlantic keeping an eye on Russian sub activity or on exercises with the carrier strike group. To be honest you've missed the obvious point: why do we need to send a DD to shoot down drones in Akorotiri. We have land based systems and our jets providing air defence for gulf states operate out of there. As Jergul said, this is mostly so we can tell the US the RN is otherwise occupied while we wait for your stupid illegal war to burn itself out.
Sam Adams rank	Tue Apr 07 21:11:36 It's ILLLEEEEEEEEEGAL Lol the crying of appeasers is like music to my ears.
Sam Adams rank	Tue Apr 07 21:14:50 "Dragon can track and shoot down drones and missiles aimed at Akrotiri while it's tied to the pier" There's much more ground clutter near a pier. Even a dunce like you should know that.
Seb rank	Tue Apr 07 21:28:44 NaMBLA: Both SBA's docks face out to the east med and the SAMPSON is on a mast 40 meters above the waterline. It's the most sophisticated and high performing search and tracking radar afloat. It's not going to get screwed up by a low harbour wall. It can happily detect and track Iran's flying lawnmowers across the eastern Mediterranean, and one of the great things about vertical launch is the missile climbs vertically and then orients rather than flying off the rail into the harbour wall.
williamthebastard rank	Tue Apr 07 21:46:54 Wait - the lying pedophile telling lies? I need to sit down.
Sam Adams rank	Tue Apr 07 22:05:56 "the most sophisticated and high performing search and tracking radar afloat." Lol no "face out to the east" And if the Iranians program a turn in and don't come from the east? Lol RN amateurs
Seb rank	Wed Apr 08 06:39:45 NaMBLA: Lol yes actually. A map might help you here. The idea that you would get a Shaheed to somehow manoeuvre round cypress to attack Akrotiri from the north west while somehow staying outside the tracking and engagement range of a type 45 isn't particularly plausible scenario. But hey, that's why we have wildcats and crows nest helicopters as part of the compliment. I don't think we really need to expending sea-ceptors on the flying lawnmowers. But sure, weather-pedo. Keep making a fool of yourself with these ridiculous claims. If it keeps you off other unwholesome activities it is for the best.
Sam Adams rank	Wed Apr 08 06:44:17 ”to somehow manoeuvre" You mean to fly a preprogrammed route with like 2 extra waypoints that Microsoft flight simulator from 1994 could have managed? OMG you are even more retarded than I thought.
Pillz rank	Wed Apr 08 06:59:37 Things without pilots only fly in straight lines - seb
Seb rank	Wed Apr 08 07:08:59 Like I said, While staying outside the 400km tracking and 150km engagement range of a type 45. You tell me what the magical waypoints are that let it do that. These aren't sea skimming missiles and SAMPSON is good for those anyway). Dragon can literally see these things being launched from Lebanon, and send a wildcat to shoot it down with a machine gun. There's no credible path where a Shaheed can sneak up on Dragon even dockside in Akrotiri. This is obvious to anyone with a map. What a fucking idiot you are.
Seb rank	Wed Apr 08 07:28:26 Pillz: Christ you are dumb. Show me the curved line that gets a Shaheed from Lebanon to attack Akrotiri from the northwest without going through an area that Dragon can track (hard given Dragon can see the launch points directly), and Shaheeds aren't terrain hugging cruise missiles but slow, ultra cheap flying lawn mowers. The issue isn't that Shaheeds can manoeuvre, it's that that's literally no terrain they can hide behind. And even if there was, the ship carries a look down radar mounted on a helicopter. Check a fucking map you retards. It's like you are standing in the middle of huge flat open field stretching off to the horizon with a bush behind you with a gun and your attacker is 200 meters away in front of you, and saying "oh no, what if that guy sneaks up around me from behind the bush and attacks me with his knife". No amount of way points are going to let that guy sneak behind the bush and attack you from behind without you shooting him first.
Seb rank	Wed Apr 08 07:32:19 Only, these are fucking Shaheeds. So it's not a guy so much as a guy in a wheel chair with a highvis jacket and a speaker playing loud music. If they were launching hundreds of them at the same time, that might be an issue but they aren't, because IRGC don't have that level of presence in Lebanon - at least not with that kind of weapon.
Sam Adams rank	Wed Apr 08 17:38:59 Lol this pedo importer is fully retarded. "Fighting from dock is as good as fighting at sea" "Unmanned planes can't turn" "It's ok to not have a working navy"
Seb rank	Wed Apr 08 18:50:24 NaMBLA: "Flying in a curve makes planes invisible" is fully retarded.
Cherub Cow rank	Wed Apr 08 19:43:02 Hilarious to see sebfaggot still using my insult of "NAMBLA" as though his entire ideology isn't based around protecting pedophiles and foreign rapists. Classic projection from a leftist faggot.
jergul rank	Wed Apr 08 19:44:56 For protecting pedophiles and foreign/domestic rapists, see Trump Administration.
Sam Adams rank	Wed Apr 08 19:55:13 So trump and seb are basically the same when it comes to child molesting.
Cherub Cow rank	Wed Apr 08 20:05:57 [jergnonce]: "For protecting pedophiles and foreign/domestic rapists, see Trump Administration." That same thin talking point. Sad!
Seb rank	Wed Apr 08 21:09:50 Nope. I'm pro persecution of paedophiles. You guys just want to deport brown people en-mass and turn a blind eye to police ignoring paedophilia because they hate poor women; and pretend the left made them do it instead. And NaMBLA thinks paedophilia is harmless. He actually explicitly said that.
Seb rank	Wed Apr 08 21:10:13 *Prosecution.
Seb rank	Wed Apr 08 21:11:51 Anyway, NaMBLA was going to give us a flight path for how a Shaheed could be launched from Lebanon and get behind Akrotiri without being detected by a T-45 mored there. Really looking forward to this non-Euclidean beauty.
Sam Adams rank	Wed Apr 08 21:52:22 "He actually explicitly said that." Link? Lol dumbshit.
Sam Adams rank	Wed Apr 08 21:53:30 "I'm pro persecution of paedophiles.*" *Unless they are in a minority group that votes for me
Pillz rank	Wed Apr 08 22:06:45 A Samantha damaged a sub in a collision. Tsk tsk
jergul rank	Wed Apr 08 22:24:06 CC I agree. Very sad. But such is the state of affairs.
Cherub Cow rank	Wed Apr 08 23:52:24 [sebnonce]: "Nope. I'm pro persecution of paedophiles." sebnonce will just outright lie like this. I'll just keep saying it: leftists can only *pretend* to be against pedophilia selectively *if* they think it can get their opposition to fall on their swords, whereas, they openly protect LGBTQ2S+NAMBLA as a political ideology which they are not allowed to oppose if they want to keep their leftist credentials. sebnonce *has* to be pro-pedophilia because that is what subverted leftists are. [sebnonce]: "You guys just want to deport brown people en-mass and turn a blind eye to police ignoring paedophilia because they hate poor women; and pretend the left made them do it instead." sebnonce will just pretend that those "police" who ignored pedophilia were often brown people protecting their co-ethnics because they believe that this is a war of conquest. sebnonce is protecting those brown people because he wants White children to be raped by foreigners. sebnonce is pro-pedophilia, and it is obvious. [jergnonce]: "For protecting pedophiles and foreign/domestic rapists, see Trump Administration." [CC]: "That same thin talking point. Sad!" [jergnonce]: "I agree. Very sad. But such is the state of affairs." I'm glad that you agree how sad your talking points are. You are indeed very sad. Sad!
jergul rank	Thu Apr 09 02:01:30 I agree on how sad it is that your administration is protecting domestic and foreign paedophiles as you perfectly well know.
jergul rank	Thu Apr 09 02:04:38 And you dont give a crap about vulnerable working class girls CC. You have been very clear of them being the irredemable scum offspring of scum.
Habebe rank	Thu Apr 09 05:29:58 I agree on how sad it is that your administration is protecting domestic and foreign paedophiles as you perfectly well know.-Jergul He isn't wrong.
Seb rank	Thu Apr 09 12:49:42 NaMBLA: So, these stealthy waypoints? Still waiting. You might also want to know that the RN doesn't the last few weeks chasing off a big push by Russian subs to spy on the undersea cables and other infrastructure. They were hoping we were going to run down to the gulf. Helps when we focus on our own interests.
jergul rank	Thu Apr 09 13:17:07 Any particular reason to think Russia failed to do what it wanted to do? A month is a lot of mapping time for two specialized submarines.
jergul rank	Thu Apr 09 13:24:50 Like its good to be able to track and shadow submarines, but freedom of navigation and international waters even in ECCs. They can go where they like without hindrance. Excluding perhaps a few 100 meters around platforms and stuff like that.
Sam Adams rank	Thu Apr 09 16:18:40 Oh your other working destroyer was doing that? What an impressive big boy navy. Lol pedo seb you retard.
Seb rank	Thu Apr 09 16:29:47 NaMBLA: Destroyers are area air defence Sam. Why would we send our destroyers to do escort/ASW work (of the kind that would be needed in the gulf). I know Russian ships in the Baltic have a habit of turning into submarines, but even then a Type-45 isn't the ship you'd use. It is a job for frigates and attack subs.
Seb rank	Thu Apr 09 16:31:09 Jergul: Presumably because we know where the sensitive areas are and we know they were kept away from those?
Sam Adams rank	Thu Apr 09 16:41:00 "Destroyers are area air defence Sam. Why would we send our destroyers to do escort/ASW work" How the fuck do you possibly not know that destroyers fight subs? Seriously I'm not just calling you a retard as a UP insult. You are an actual low IQ retard.
jergul rank	Thu Apr 09 17:57:46 Seb Sure, you can do that. In your territorial waters. Otherwise, nah. Freedom of navigation. Nothing to do. Sammy Its not ideal that DDs counter subs. We use frigates and corvettes for that. That is what seb obviously meant.
jergul rank	Thu Apr 09 17:58:53 I know, in your massively overscaled and bloated military, you do things more expensively. Why use a corvette when you can use a nuclear attack sub? rofl.
Sam Adams rank	Thu Apr 09 18:16:16 Amazing. No wonder the US always wins. our european adverseries are fucking retards.
jergul rank	Thu Apr 09 19:01:23 Actually, no. You are the dunce here. You need DDs to keep up with carriers under all weather conditions. You pay a premium for that both up front and in operating costs. Frigates do have other limitations too, but they are as good hunter-killers as DDs are, if not better.
Cherub Cow rank	Thu Apr 09 19:11:00 [Sam]: "our european adverseries are fucking retards." Accurate. [jergnonce]: "I agree on how sad it is that your administration is protecting domestic and foreign paedophiles as you perfectly well know." More lies. Very predictable. We must note again that the jew and those who have adopted the jew's morality, such as the Lutheran, the Calvinist, the dispensationalist, and the sebgul, are not making their statements from any place of universalism. They themselves are pedophiles who openly support the pedophile coalition of LGBTQ2S+NAMBLA and are wholly immovable on that issue, but they would have us attack "paedophiles" (their cucked spelling) on the Right as a distraction from the true need to purge the worst offenders first. This is again Shylock the jew saying that Christians should punish themselves for (comparatively) small sins while Shylock cuts a pound of flesh from Christians in a sin of fraud and deceit that would put him in the deepest circles of Hell. Thus when sebgul speaks it is merely the voice of the jew's god, Memnoch the Devil. This is the nature of the subverted left and the nature of the jew. This is their slave morality. Before jergnonce speaks, he merely asks what his god Memnoch the Devil commands him to say. [jergnonce]: "And you dont give a crap about vulnerable working class girls CC. You have been very clear of them being the irredemable scum offspring of scum." We see again an even deeper lie from jergnonce, a pedophile defender and follower of the jew and of the jew's god Memnoch the Devil. The jew can lie this openly because words are merely weapons rather than sincere connections to any Truth. Thus, where the Sacred Truth is that indeed I care about White children being raped by foreigners in the nations of White people, jergnonce would say the opposite of me — even adding an even more grotesque lie by saying that I think that White children are "scum offspring of scum", which is completely fabricated from jergnonce's Satanic delusions. He is here referencing lies that he was telling about me in a separate thread, where, following his many lies on the subject, I gave him an IQ test which he failed ( "guess the race... ceo version" http://uto...hread=93596&time=1733903368381 ). Satanists such as jergnonce will simply tell these lies because they have no souls and thus lies cost them nothing. Does fire cost a demon its skin? No, jergnonce has scales pre-burnt in Mordor, not skin. [Habebe]: "He isn't wrong." Ironically, where jergnonce is "correct" it *would* (for the low-IQ people: this word signals a conditional statement) be only in the sense that the administration is protecting people like himself from their just punishments. Because Trump is a moderate beholden to the jew, he has not yet waged Holy War on the jew as he should. Were he to do that, nonces such as sebgul would no longer be protected. Trump is the jew's last chance with a moderate before the Right is given total legitimacy to purge the universe with Unquenchable Fire.
jergul rank	Thu Apr 09 19:34:18 I laugh at your thought terminating cliches.
Sam Adams rank	Thu Apr 09 19:40:50 "You need DDs to keep up with carriers" Yes jergul. And what are DDs protecting carriers from? Lol. Amazing.
jergul rank	Thu Apr 09 19:44:13 You are such a silly goose. Arguing that people like the parents of these vulnerable girls should be purged with unquenchable fire and that the offspring is irreversibly damned on the one hand, then wringing your hands about the same children if it offers a chance to collectively punish entire ethnic groups. Immoral does not even begin to describe your insanity. And of course, you lie. Because you are a liar. And Trump, your hero. Protects paedophiles. Because, well, you know where he met his current soft porn star wife now, dont you? A foreigner is she not?
jergul rank	Thu Apr 09 19:46:22 Lern2reed sammy. DDs can indeed hunt subs if you want to do that in the most expensive way possible besides having nuclear attack subs do it. Or you can use frigates as appropriate to the task at hand in a much more affordable and sustainable way.
Sam Adams rank	Thu Apr 09 19:56:43 Only in jergul land... Is a second entire ship class created to do the job your main class could do for little extra money... Somehow this saves money? So you want 1) less flexibility 2) more overall price 3) your primary sub hunters can't stay with the fleet for long Logistical genius right here. I've seen 1st graders that would outfight you in battle. And not ender first graders either. Regular ones.
jergul rank	Thu Apr 09 20:19:49 Using fleet destroyers for hunter-killer missions is just stupid. This has been known since early wwii. Your 1-3 is garbage. But I get it. You are butthurt over surrendering in the war on Iran. Totally predictable. You would either surrender or you would use nukes, and then surrender.
jergul rank	Thu Apr 09 20:21:20 Frigates as a type of ship are significantly older than destroyers (a class invented to deal with torpedo boats, no not the small MTBs you are thinking of).
jergul rank	Thu Apr 09 20:23:06 The USS Constitution is 1. An aircraft carrier 2. A submarine 3. A destroyer 4. A frigate lol "class created to do a job" Dummy.
Sam Adams rank	Thu Apr 09 20:26:28 Say something absolutely retarded. Try to change subject. Lol This might be the least intelligent thing you and the pedo importer have ever said. And that is saying A LOT. Seriously. Don't use your escorts to hunt subs? This is high level retardation. Nothing you ever say could make up for this.
Sam Adams rank	Thu Apr 09 20:30:43 "a class invented to deal with torpedo boats" And what other small little ships launch torpedoes and might be worth destroying from time to time. Lol. Your mind should be studied.
jergul rank	Thu Apr 09 20:36:03 Dumb one, you have to use your 2.2 billion dollar DDs to hunt 400 million dollar subs because you lack appropriate surface ships to do the job and the number of attack submarines is too low (though those are even more expensive) and most of them are tasked with hunting boomers anyway. But the main DD job is to screen carrier groups. Obviously. they are suited for that. Its been that way since early wwii.
jergul rank	Thu Apr 09 20:37:13 Supreme admiral sammy: "I am going to trade my 2.2 billion dollar DDs for 400 million dollar subs" I am smert"
Seb rank	Thu Apr 09 21:32:57 Sam: read up on royal Navy doctrine on this. We use Destroyers and 4x in the typing to denote air defence. RN destroyers have minimal ASW capabilities. Frigates with a 2x typing number are dedicated ASW, Frigates with a 3x typing number are multi-role.
Seb rank	Thu Apr 09 21:35:15 Appreciate the USN uses the term Destroyer for multi-role ships. RN generally believes in specialist vessels.
Sam Adams rank	Thu Apr 09 22:15:52 The RN is utterly retarded. Why would you possibly limit yourself in such a stupid beurocratic way. Why not make your ships slightly bigger and allow them to do everything. Like it's not expensive at all to add a good air search radar to any already existing asw ship or vice versa. Sure a few specialist ships are ok here and there but your main line should be well rounded. ESPECIALLY since the hydrodynamics/size of this planet sort of demand a 5 to 10 k ton ship for global cruising. There's a phrase for this. In your language too. Penny wise and pound foolish.
Seb rank	Thu Apr 09 22:21:50 NaMBLA: Well, because T-26s hull forms are optimised for low acoustics, and T-45s for fuel efficiency in keeping up with carriers they provide protection for and a frankly amazing areas radar system. It's like saying "why have an these frigates when you can have a smaller number of 1st rate ships of the line". You can, but 1st raters make very expensive scouts. Or "let's put battle ship guns on our carriers so they can do really good shore bombardment and long range strike". Specialisms just make sense. It's not about making them bigger and adding more kit, it's about excellence in each role.
Seb rank	Thu Apr 09 22:27:48 Anyway now maybe you get the point. We sent an air defence destroyer to help Cyprus against missile and drone threats. Our frigates were busy keeping Russia from meddling in the high north (remember how your entire defence establishment were having a fucking fit about Europe not being present enough two months ago) and chasing Russian Subs away from north Atlantic undersea infrastructure. No way would we cut those priorities for a literal fools errand to help the US escort ships through a strait it forgot it couldn't secure before stating a war that, predictably, has resulted in abject failure.
Seb rank	Thu Apr 09 22:51:37 "ESPECIALLY since the hydrodynamics/size of this planet sort of demand a 5 to 10 k ton ship for global cruising." NaMBLA, do you ever bother checking before you post? Both the Type 45 and Type 26 displace around 7000-9000 tonnes depending on load-out. I literally just told you RN uses terms like frigate and destroyer to define mission role, not size.
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