Utopia Talk / Politics / Happy Taco Tuesday Pt II

williamthebastard rank	Wed Apr 08 15:56:36 Seems to just be Trump fantasizing about becoming business partners with Iran at this point in time. "The United States and Iran are mulling a “joint venture” to charge tolls on the Strait of Hormuz, ABC correspondent Jonathan Carl says US President Donald Trump told him. “We’re thinking of doing it as a joint venture. It’s a way of securing it — also securing it from lots of other people,” Trump is quoted as claiming to the correspondent. “It’s a beautiful thing.” No other US official has indicated that such a plan is under discussion." To be sure, this could be a complete turn-around in ME affairs. It would take Trump about 1/10th of a second to ditch Israel and make Iran their new best buddies with that kind of money in the offing, which would also get the rest of the oil exporters there to reverse course on Israel and Iran, but Im not sure Iran could stomach chumming up to him and the USA, or trust him enough, given their history. If they did, it would likely be devastating for Israel, however. Given the future, what with this massive power leverage Trump has given Iran, China might well be seen as looking like a much more interesting best buddy with none of the bloody past.
williamthebastard rank	Wed Apr 08 16:00:34 China doesnt "create uncertainty" a la The Art of the Deal, since both the business world and the world of politics hate dealing with actors that create uncertainty - the 1st rule of business and politics being to create stability and reliability.
TheChildren rank	Wed Apr 08 16:11:42 why wuld iran allow dis lol also, is clear who won and who lost dis war
Rugian rank	Wed Apr 08 16:13:43 ^ yes it is clear! President Trump’s ceasefire with Iran draws praise from world leaders http://www...israel-live-updates-04-08-2026
williamthebastard rank	Wed Apr 08 16:21:21 Yes, Israel has a very different view than the Foxnews panicked clean up-op above “We won, okay,” the US president claimed on Monday night. But for all his contradictions, as Trump knows full well, the Iranian regime against which he went to war remains in power, and its nuclear ambitions are anything but dimmed. The fact is that the “new” faces of Iran are just like the “old” faces — except newly aware of their immense potential to extort the world via control over the Strait of Hormuz, and more aware, too, that nuclear weapons would make them broadly invincible. http://www...dium=article_end&utm_content=2
murder rank	Wed Apr 08 16:26:46 "The United States and Iran are mulling a “joint venture” to charge tolls on the Strait of Hormuz, ABC correspondent Jonathan Carl says US President Donald Trump told him. I'm sure the Saudis would be thrilled. lol :o) -
jergul rank	Wed Apr 08 16:28:01 Israel is clearly violating the cf. There was no carve-out option to excempt Lebanon.
murder rank	Wed Apr 08 16:30:44 Things get lost in translation. -
TheChildren rank	Wed Apr 08 16:32:30 "draws praise from world leaders " >> iran owns hormuz, gets paid, sanctions r gone, petroyuan rises, u lost tons of militarie toys, u lost 60 billioniez in 6 weeks, countless dead, they dunt even dare 2 reveal dis 2 u, dats how baaaad dis is 4 u yes, quite clear who won
Forwyn rank	Wed Apr 08 16:36:16 "There was no carve-out option to excempt Lebanon." Why would a ceasefire with Iran need carveouts of other nations?
jergul rank	Wed Apr 08 16:44:25 Fair enough. Israel was also not party to the agreement. So Israel's unilateral decision to stop bombing Iran proper has no value. Things can carry on. Just without the USA.
jergul rank	Wed Apr 08 16:46:34 Come to think of it, the gulf states are not covered either. Why would they be in a bilateral agreement between Iran and the USA?
williamthebastard rank	Wed Apr 08 17:33:13 Because Iran says the strait is now closed due to Israels attacks on Lebanon
Rugian rank	Wed Apr 08 18:33:13 Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump Numerous Agreements, Lists, and Letters are being sent out by people that have absolutely nothing to do with the U.S.A. / Iran Negotiation, in many cases, they are total Fraudsters, Charlatans, and WORSE. They will be rapidly exposed after our Federal Investigation is completed. There is only one group of meaningful “POINTS” that are acceptable to the United States, and we will be discussing them behind closed doors during these Negotiations. These are the POINTS that are the basis on which we agreed to a CEASEFIRE. It is something that is reasonable, and can easily be dispensed with. It’s very much like Fake News CNN last night, headlining a “source” that had no power or authority to write a Letter claiming great authority. President DONALD J. TRUMP
jergul rank	Wed Apr 08 19:22:43 Iran's will be charging 1 dollar per barrel in transit fees in two easy steps 1. Ship reports its cargo 2. Ship uses a QR code to make a payment in bitcoins. I imagine other products will have a similar regime.
Forwyn rank	Wed Apr 08 19:37:43 Are Oman and UAE parties to these closures? Did a closure announcement have carveouts for these nations?
jergul rank	Wed Apr 08 19:55:04 The closure announcement is unilateral. Iran is simply asserting that it controls the strait and sets the conditions for transit. It also asserts that the cf includes Lebanon. So either Lebanon is protected or there is no cf.
jergul rank	Wed Apr 08 19:57:07 I think Iran communicates in a way Trump understands.
Sam Adams rank	Wed Apr 08 20:04:43 ”will be charging 1 dollar per barrel in transit fees in two easy steps” Lol no it won't.
tumbleweed rank	Wed Apr 08 20:07:26 they just need to cut Trump in on the tolls/protection money & he'll be cool w/ it also he expressed interest in calling it the Straight of Trump...
Paramount rank	Wed Apr 08 20:13:08 Did anyone buy stocks before the ”ceasefire”? The stock markets took a leap up. If you bought any stocks maybe it is time to sell them now before the fake ceasefire collapse and the stock markets fall.
Forwyn rank	Wed Apr 08 20:21:46 "Iran is simply asserting that it controls the strait" They share the strait with other nations. "It also asserts that the cf includes Lebanon." Lebanon is three nations away. There seems to be some gradeschool-level geography confusion here.
tumbleweed rank	Wed Apr 08 20:39:45 pretty sure Iran's 10-pt plan had them sharing the toll w/ Oman
Sam Adams rank	Wed Apr 08 20:47:04 Irans 10 point plan isn't happening
jergul rank	Wed Apr 08 20:53:11 Sammy What point in particular do you think is not happening? Forwyn Iran has defining power in that bilateral cf agreement it has with the US. It has also established that it can indeed introduce a tariff regime for transit through the strait. UNCLOS does not actually dispute that strait passages may run through territorial waters. It just tried to codify feefree transit. Iran and the US are not signees to UNCLOS.
williamthebastard rank	Wed Apr 08 20:56:17 Oh great, finally someone with real military expertise. Csam, could you check with your secret high-level Pentagon source TexasVikingKKK@X.com who gets his data from Hollywood action movies on Flix how Trump managed to force Iran to accept this yuge defeat? Thanks!
williamthebastard rank	Wed Apr 08 21:07:44 Israel attacking Iran. I would suppose all thats going to happen is that the Trump withdraws from actively partipitaing in the war while Iran and Israel continue bombing each other if it werent for the issue that Iran can now harm the USA badly if they dont tell Israel to back off.
williamthebastard rank	Wed Apr 08 21:10:29 Then again, Trump couldnt give the tiniest homeless person's shit about the US economy as long as he doesnt get blamed. And I suppose Maga will claim he's completely innocent if he's withdrawn from the war and its all Iran and Israels fault or something.
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