Utopia Talk / Politics / The Rutte-Trump meeting didnt go well

Rugian rank	Fri Apr 10 01:02:03 BRUSSELS — U.S. President Donald Trump unloaded his frustration with NATO allies in a bad-tempered meeting with Secretary-General Mark Rutte on Wednesday — and indicated he was considering reprisals for lack of support over the war in Iran. Rutte met Trump behind closed doors as part of a long-scheduled visit that quickly turned into a life-support mission after the U.S. president repeatedly threatened to quit the alliance because countries like Spain and France refused to back the U.S.-Israeli conflict with Tehran, which has reached a fragile ceasefire. According to two European officials, and a person familiar with the matter, who were briefed on the talks, Trump used the White House meeting as a venting session for the president to air out his frustration about Europe's refusal to participate in the Iran operation. “It went shit,” said the first European official. “The conversation was nothing but a tirade of insults.” Trump “apparently threatened to do just about anything.” That official and the person familiar with the matter said Trump also signaled he was considering options for reprisals, but didn't go into detail. The same two people and a third European official briefed on the meeting — who like others in this article were granted anonymity to divulge sensitive details — said the U.S. president gave those present the impression he wanted concrete actions from allies to help reopen the Strait of Hormuz as soon as possible. However, a White House official said that the president made no demands of the alliance in his conversation with Rutte. “As President Trump said yesterday, NATO was tested, and they failed,” the White House official said. “He has zero expectations for NATO at this point and did not ask them for anything, even though it’s a fact they benefit from the Strait of Hormuz far more than the United States.” Following the meeting, the U.S. president publicly berated NATO allies and revived the specter of his campaign to annex Greenland. “NATO WASN’T THERE WHEN WE NEEDED THEM, AND THEY WON’T BE THERE IF WE NEED THEM AGAIN. REMEMBER GREENLAND, THAT BIG, POORLY RUN, PIECE OF ICE!!!” he wrote on Truth Social. “None of these people, including our own, very disappointing, NATO, understood anything unless they have pressure placed upon them!!!” Trump added Thursday. NATO spokesperson Allison Hart told POLITICO that Rutte and Trump “had a very frank conversation,” but pushed back on allegations it went badly, calling it “constructive.” “I sensed his disappointment about the fact that he felt that too many allies were not with him,” Rutte said at an event on Thursday. The second European official told POLITICO that despite outward appearances of a contentious meeting, Rutte's visit was well-timed in that it allowed Trump to blow off steam. The president's Truth Social posts following the meeting were broad and did not include any specific threats of actions aimed at punishing NATO or individual members, they argued. “That's a climbdown compared to other comments of his,” the person said. “It's still a volatile time, but it's fortunate for the alliance that he was there at this particular moment.” So far, NATO countries at the alliance’s Brussels headquarters have not been briefed on the meeting, according to two senior alliance diplomats, nor have they begun discussing the deployment of military equipment to reopen the strait. https://ww...iran-during-turbulent-meeting/
Sam Adams rank	Fri Apr 10 01:36:09 Spain and frances leadership really need to be punished, but there are some nato members, especially in eastern Europe, that are not gay.
tumbleweed rank	Fri Apr 10 01:42:53 "“It went shit,” said the first European official. “The conversation was nothing but a tirade of insults.” Trump “apparently threatened to do just about anything.” " a child's tantrum... as one would expect from him... NATO is a defensive alliance so no reason they need to join him, especially when he didn't get their support beforehand (plus his history of disrespect & harming relations w/ them)
Sam Adams rank	Fri Apr 10 01:51:56 Not joining is one thing but closing airspace is something else entirely. Need active punishment for those countries. Maybe stipulate that article 5 does not apply to France and Spain for next 5 years or something.
tumbleweed rank	Fri Apr 10 02:00:22 what punishment should there be for Trump demanding Greenland the easy way or the hard way (making the population actually stock up on supplies fearing invasion) & him threatening tariffs for the countries who opposed it?
williamthebastard rank	Fri Apr 10 02:33:53 That Denmark sends the bill for cremating the 500 dead marines on Greenland to Mar-a-Lago.
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