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Rugian
rank Fri Apr 10 01:02:03
BRUSSELS — U.S. President Donald Trump unloaded his frustration with NATO allies in a bad-tempered meeting with Secretary-General Mark Rutte on Wednesday — and indicated he was considering reprisals for lack of support over the war in Iran.

Rutte met Trump behind closed doors as part of a long-scheduled visit that quickly turned into a life-support mission after the U.S. president repeatedly threatened to quit the alliance because countries like Spain and France refused to back the U.S.-Israeli conflict with Tehran, which has reached a fragile ceasefire.

According to two European officials, and a person familiar with the matter, who were briefed on the talks, Trump used the White House meeting as a venting session for the president to air out his frustration about Europe's refusal to participate in the Iran operation.

“It went shit,” said the first European official. “The conversation was nothing but a tirade of insults.” Trump “apparently threatened to do just about anything.”

That official and the person familiar with the matter said Trump also signaled he was considering options for reprisals, but didn't go into detail.

The same two people and a third European official briefed on the meeting — who like others in this article were granted anonymity to divulge sensitive details — said the U.S. president gave those present the impression he wanted concrete actions from allies to help reopen the Strait of Hormuz as soon as possible.

However, a White House official said that the president made no demands of the alliance in his conversation with Rutte.

“As President Trump said yesterday, NATO was tested, and they failed,” the White House official said. “He has zero expectations for NATO at this point and did not ask them for anything, even though it’s a fact they benefit from the Strait of Hormuz far more than the United States.”

Following the meeting, the U.S. president publicly berated NATO allies and revived the specter of his campaign to annex Greenland.

“NATO WASN’T THERE WHEN WE NEEDED THEM, AND THEY WON’T BE THERE IF WE NEED THEM AGAIN. REMEMBER GREENLAND, THAT BIG, POORLY RUN, PIECE OF ICE!!!” he wrote on Truth Social.

“None of these people, including our own, very disappointing, NATO, understood anything unless they have pressure placed upon them!!!” Trump added Thursday.

NATO spokesperson Allison Hart told POLITICO that Rutte and Trump “had a very frank conversation,” but pushed back on allegations it went badly, calling it “constructive.”

“I sensed his disappointment about the fact that he felt that too many allies were not with him,” Rutte said at an event on Thursday.

The second European official told POLITICO that despite outward appearances of a contentious meeting, Rutte's visit was well-timed in that it allowed Trump to blow off steam. The president's Truth Social posts following the meeting were broad and did not include any specific threats of actions aimed at punishing NATO or individual members, they argued.

“That's a climbdown compared to other comments of his,” the person said. “It's still a volatile time, but it's fortunate for the alliance that he was there at this particular moment.”

So far, NATO countries at the alliance’s Brussels headquarters have not been briefed on the meeting, according to two senior alliance diplomats, nor have they begun discussing the deployment of military equipment to reopen the strait.

https://ww...iran-during-turbulent-meeting/

Sam Adams
rank Fri Apr 10 01:36:09
Spain and frances leadership really need to be punished, but there are some nato members, especially in eastern Europe, that are not gay.

tumbleweed
rank Fri Apr 10 01:42:53
"“It went shit,” said the first European official. “The conversation was nothing but a tirade of insults.” Trump “apparently threatened to do just about anything.” "

a child's tantrum... as one would expect from him...

NATO is a defensive alliance so no reason they need to join him, especially when he didn't get their support beforehand (plus his history of disrespect & harming relations w/ them)

Sam Adams
rank Fri Apr 10 01:51:56
Not joining is one thing but closing airspace is something else entirely. Need active punishment for those countries.

Maybe stipulate that article 5 does not apply to France and Spain for next 5 years or something.

tumbleweed
rank Fri Apr 10 02:00:22
what punishment should there be for Trump demanding Greenland the easy way or the hard way (making the population actually stock up on supplies fearing invasion) & him threatening tariffs for the countries who opposed it?

williamthebastard
rank Fri Apr 10 02:33:53
That Denmark sends the bill for cremating the 500 dead marines on Greenland to Mar-a-Lago.

Sam Adams
rank Fri Apr 10 03:14:33
"what punishment should there be for Trump demanding Greenland"

In a sane political system he'd be impeached for that sort of idiocy.

Average Ameriacn
rank Fri Apr 10 05:23:52
The new Board of Peace will replace NATO.

TheChildren
rank Fri Apr 10 07:39:58
it went shit...

coz da war is lost and ur in deep deeeeeeeeep doodoo

and realization has kicked in

murder
rank Fri Apr 10 18:22:41

Trump 101: When you don't get your way, start shouting and making angry faces and hurling insults and threats and make everyone uncomfortable until they give in and give you what you want.

Trump needs to get told to pound sand.

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murder
rank Fri Apr 10 18:28:42

"Maybe stipulate that article 5 does not apply to France and Spain for next 5 years or something."

France and Spain are in zero danger of anything ... except maybe from the US. France hasn't been in any danger since the collapse of the Warsaw Pact, and Spain was never in any danger.

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Sam Adams
rank Fri Apr 10 18:48:41
ok 20 years then.

williamthebastard
rank Fri Apr 10 18:52:57
"Maybe stipulate that article 5 does not apply to France and Spain for next 5 years or something."

Rofl! Trump Adams should be eternally thankful they didnt take a shit in a plastic bag and send it to the WH in response

Seb
rank Fri Apr 10 18:58:06
NaMBLA:

Isn't that just an incentive to keep airspace closed for *all* US military purposes.

Neither France nor Spain will feel particularly threatened by the absence of article 5.

Mostly European nations are not counting on the US turning up to any war.

The consequences of signalling that so clearly are exactly why they aren't bothering to even turn a blind eye to US breaches is international law.

williamthebastard
rank Fri Apr 10 19:02:58
Meanwhile French and other EU troops are too busy preparing every millimeter of greenland to be a death trap for US troops if Trump sticks to his threats to attack us while simultaneously having teenage girl tantrums that people he is threatening to kill and invade wont save his vast, mentally ill ass

williamthebastard
rank Fri Apr 10 19:04:52
*against a nation that is 1% (rofl!) of the size of the US military. Rofl

tumbleweed
rank Fri Apr 10 19:09:46
NATO wasn't involved in this war, there is no reason for there to be any NATO-related punishment

if whiny baby wants to be upset w/ individual nations & further harm relations from his own fault, so be it, obviously an R Congress won't do a thing

in a sane world, NATO actually -should- punish Trump/US for his behavior, but i'm 100% sure at that meeting Trump again was complaining about not just being given Greenland instead of the NATO wimp yelling at Trump over it
(but yes, i realize the US too important to NATO to further upset the delicate baby)

we just have to live w/ a national embarrassment 'president' until Vance gets ambitious or the gods of nutrition take action or a possibly fair election occurs

williamthebastard
rank Fri Apr 10 19:16:38
He seems to be more than a wimp, he seems to be a Magat and is embarrassing beyond anything the fathers of NATO ever could have imagined. The USA is currently more of a NATO enemy than Hungary and should be thrown out immediately

Sam Adams
rank Fri Apr 10 19:20:52
"Mostly European nations are not counting on the US turning up to any war"

Nah look how small and innefectual your forces are. Deep down you don't want to ever fight and are hoping that we will protect you. If we don't back you, you desperately hope that eastern Europeans will do your fighting for you. In no scenario do you fight for yourselves.

williamthebastard
rank Fri Apr 10 19:31:01
"innefectual"

lol, illiterate Magats.

Nah look at how utterly weak the US forces are. Theyve got all the weapons in the world and as soon as they get a grazing punch to the chin, it shatters like my mums favourite vase and they start crying and run as fast as they can.

The world is watching and seeing that the US is a WWE fighter - a posturing over-pumped fake that cant take a fight.

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Rugian rank	Fri Apr 10 01:02:03 BRUSSELS — U.S. President Donald Trump unloaded his frustration with NATO allies in a bad-tempered meeting with Secretary-General Mark Rutte on Wednesday — and indicated he was considering reprisals for lack of support over the war in Iran. Rutte met Trump behind closed doors as part of a long-scheduled visit that quickly turned into a life-support mission after the U.S. president repeatedly threatened to quit the alliance because countries like Spain and France refused to back the U.S.-Israeli conflict with Tehran, which has reached a fragile ceasefire. According to two European officials, and a person familiar with the matter, who were briefed on the talks, Trump used the White House meeting as a venting session for the president to air out his frustration about Europe's refusal to participate in the Iran operation. “It went shit,” said the first European official. “The conversation was nothing but a tirade of insults.” Trump “apparently threatened to do just about anything.” That official and the person familiar with the matter said Trump also signaled he was considering options for reprisals, but didn't go into detail. The same two people and a third European official briefed on the meeting — who like others in this article were granted anonymity to divulge sensitive details — said the U.S. president gave those present the impression he wanted concrete actions from allies to help reopen the Strait of Hormuz as soon as possible. However, a White House official said that the president made no demands of the alliance in his conversation with Rutte. “As President Trump said yesterday, NATO was tested, and they failed,” the White House official said. “He has zero expectations for NATO at this point and did not ask them for anything, even though it’s a fact they benefit from the Strait of Hormuz far more than the United States.” Following the meeting, the U.S. president publicly berated NATO allies and revived the specter of his campaign to annex Greenland. “NATO WASN’T THERE WHEN WE NEEDED THEM, AND THEY WON’T BE THERE IF WE NEED THEM AGAIN. REMEMBER GREENLAND, THAT BIG, POORLY RUN, PIECE OF ICE!!!” he wrote on Truth Social. “None of these people, including our own, very disappointing, NATO, understood anything unless they have pressure placed upon them!!!” Trump added Thursday. NATO spokesperson Allison Hart told POLITICO that Rutte and Trump “had a very frank conversation,” but pushed back on allegations it went badly, calling it “constructive.” “I sensed his disappointment about the fact that he felt that too many allies were not with him,” Rutte said at an event on Thursday. The second European official told POLITICO that despite outward appearances of a contentious meeting, Rutte's visit was well-timed in that it allowed Trump to blow off steam. The president's Truth Social posts following the meeting were broad and did not include any specific threats of actions aimed at punishing NATO or individual members, they argued. “That's a climbdown compared to other comments of his,” the person said. “It's still a volatile time, but it's fortunate for the alliance that he was there at this particular moment.” So far, NATO countries at the alliance’s Brussels headquarters have not been briefed on the meeting, according to two senior alliance diplomats, nor have they begun discussing the deployment of military equipment to reopen the strait. https://ww...iran-during-turbulent-meeting/
Sam Adams rank	Fri Apr 10 01:36:09 Spain and frances leadership really need to be punished, but there are some nato members, especially in eastern Europe, that are not gay.
tumbleweed rank	Fri Apr 10 01:42:53 "“It went shit,” said the first European official. “The conversation was nothing but a tirade of insults.” Trump “apparently threatened to do just about anything.” " a child's tantrum... as one would expect from him... NATO is a defensive alliance so no reason they need to join him, especially when he didn't get their support beforehand (plus his history of disrespect & harming relations w/ them)
Sam Adams rank	Fri Apr 10 01:51:56 Not joining is one thing but closing airspace is something else entirely. Need active punishment for those countries. Maybe stipulate that article 5 does not apply to France and Spain for next 5 years or something.
tumbleweed rank	Fri Apr 10 02:00:22 what punishment should there be for Trump demanding Greenland the easy way or the hard way (making the population actually stock up on supplies fearing invasion) & him threatening tariffs for the countries who opposed it?
williamthebastard rank	Fri Apr 10 02:33:53 That Denmark sends the bill for cremating the 500 dead marines on Greenland to Mar-a-Lago.
Sam Adams rank	Fri Apr 10 03:14:33 "what punishment should there be for Trump demanding Greenland" In a sane political system he'd be impeached for that sort of idiocy.
Average Ameriacn rank	Fri Apr 10 05:23:52 The new Board of Peace will replace NATO.
TheChildren rank	Fri Apr 10 07:39:58 it went shit... coz da war is lost and ur in deep deeeeeeeeep doodoo and realization has kicked in
murder rank	Fri Apr 10 18:22:41 Trump 101: When you don't get your way, start shouting and making angry faces and hurling insults and threats and make everyone uncomfortable until they give in and give you what you want. Trump needs to get told to pound sand. -
murder rank	Fri Apr 10 18:28:42 "Maybe stipulate that article 5 does not apply to France and Spain for next 5 years or something." France and Spain are in zero danger of anything ... except maybe from the US. France hasn't been in any danger since the collapse of the Warsaw Pact, and Spain was never in any danger. -
Sam Adams rank	Fri Apr 10 18:48:41 ok 20 years then.
williamthebastard rank	Fri Apr 10 18:52:57 "Maybe stipulate that article 5 does not apply to France and Spain for next 5 years or something." Rofl! Trump Adams should be eternally thankful they didnt take a shit in a plastic bag and send it to the WH in response
Seb rank	Fri Apr 10 18:58:06 NaMBLA: Isn't that just an incentive to keep airspace closed for all US military purposes. Neither France nor Spain will feel particularly threatened by the absence of article 5. Mostly European nations are not counting on the US turning up to any war. The consequences of signalling that so clearly are exactly why they aren't bothering to even turn a blind eye to US breaches is international law.
williamthebastard rank	Fri Apr 10 19:02:58 Meanwhile French and other EU troops are too busy preparing every millimeter of greenland to be a death trap for US troops if Trump sticks to his threats to attack us while simultaneously having teenage girl tantrums that people he is threatening to kill and invade wont save his vast, mentally ill ass
williamthebastard rank	Fri Apr 10 19:04:52 *against a nation that is 1% (rofl!) of the size of the US military. Rofl
tumbleweed rank	Fri Apr 10 19:09:46 NATO wasn't involved in this war, there is no reason for there to be any NATO-related punishment if whiny baby wants to be upset w/ individual nations & further harm relations from his own fault, so be it, obviously an R Congress won't do a thing in a sane world, NATO actually -should- punish Trump/US for his behavior, but i'm 100% sure at that meeting Trump again was complaining about not just being given Greenland instead of the NATO wimp yelling at Trump over it (but yes, i realize the US too important to NATO to further upset the delicate baby) we just have to live w/ a national embarrassment 'president' until Vance gets ambitious or the gods of nutrition take action or a possibly fair election occurs
williamthebastard rank	Fri Apr 10 19:16:38 He seems to be more than a wimp, he seems to be a Magat and is embarrassing beyond anything the fathers of NATO ever could have imagined. The USA is currently more of a NATO enemy than Hungary and should be thrown out immediately
Sam Adams rank	Fri Apr 10 19:20:52 "Mostly European nations are not counting on the US turning up to any war" Nah look how small and innefectual your forces are. Deep down you don't want to ever fight and are hoping that we will protect you. If we don't back you, you desperately hope that eastern Europeans will do your fighting for you. In no scenario do you fight for yourselves.
williamthebastard rank	Fri Apr 10 19:31:01 "innefectual" lol, illiterate Magats. Nah look at how utterly weak the US forces are. Theyve got all the weapons in the world and as soon as they get a grazing punch to the chin, it shatters like my mums favourite vase and they start crying and run as fast as they can. The world is watching and seeing that the US is a WWE fighter - a posturing over-pumped fake that cant take a fight.
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