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Sam Adams rank	Fri May 08 11:54:11 Starmer gonna resign? Did reform win like everything?
Sam Adams rank	Fri May 08 12:02:27 For your convenience here is a link to farage celebrating. Knew youd want to watch that. https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/2052668992125616335?s=20
jergul rank	Fri May 08 12:30:15 The UK has a first past the post system and Reform votes are uniformly spread across constuencies. Easily the least effective division under that system. 20-25% of the seats give or take. Source: Seb. He mentioned this a while back. The seat number is my estimate.
jergul rank	Fri May 08 12:51:37 "The Liberal Democrats anticipated making significant gains. However, so far they have not really transpired." That is what will make seb sad.
jergul rank	Fri May 08 12:57:20 Note that seb commented on national elections. This is a local thing, but I still think his comment valid. Correct me if you feel misrepresented (heh) seb.
Rugian rank	Fri May 08 14:51:39 It's wild that neither the Tories nor Labour could come up with a coherent anti-immigration policy in the last 30 years despite the public clearly demanding it. They deserve their downfalls.
Allahuakbar rank	Fri May 08 15:33:15 The UK will fall, no doubt. It's too late for a change, we already rule large parts of the UK. If they want to start a civil war then the old white men will die of heart attacks when they try to pick up their rusty swords. Young strong and fertile Muslims are the future of the UK.
Rugian rank	Fri May 08 15:42:07 This was written by the Wall Street Journal's editorial board today as part of a wholesale indictment of Starmer's government: ---- "...after nearly two years of Mr. Starmer's administration, Jews are less safe in Britain than they've been at any time since perhaps the Middle Ages." https://ww...e55bc1ed?mod=opinion_lead_pos6 ...wow.
Pillz rank	Fri May 08 15:54:27 Roflmao
williamthebastard rank	Fri May 08 16:00:52 "despite the public clearly demanding it." Youve gotta love how the cons who are usually somewhat smaller than the libs in most or all western countries live in this fantasy world where they comprise the entire population
williamthebastard rank	Fri May 08 16:08:53 "No other perspectives exist but ours. Because thats how you see the world when youre authoritarians who spit on the concept of democracy, a system derived to allow people with different views to co-exist in society without living in a constant state of war"
Rugian rank	Fri May 08 16:12:22 "As of late 2025 and early 2026, immigration is ranked as the number one issue facing Britain, with 50% of the public citing it as a major concern. Polls show that roughly two-thirds of adults believe immigration numbers are "too high," marking a significant rise in concern and a push for tougher, more restrictive policies."
williamthebastard rank	Fri May 08 16:14:26 50%! Why thats just the same as 100! Idiot
williamthebastard rank	Fri May 08 16:15:15 And you dont have a single shred of proof that Starmer is in trouble among his voters due to immigration
Rugian rank	Fri May 08 16:17:07 Nice pivot there.
williamthebastard rank	Fri May 08 16:19:01 Not a single poll puts immigration as the reason he's unpopular. But keep telling your infantile lies, kkk boi.
williamthebastard rank	Fri May 08 16:22:34 Rather the opposite, the Guardian says he's become known as a "jellyfish" and a "doormat" among labour voters for trying to placate your racist leader
Rugian rank	Fri May 08 16:28:25 As of May 2026, Keir Starmer's immigration policies are facing significant unpopularity, with polls indicating that 71% of voters are unhappy with his approach to managing immigration. Despite, or because of, a shift toward stricter, "hawkish" policies intended to lower net migration, Starmer faces criticism from both his own party and the public, leading to low approval ratings and voter dissatisfaction. Key Public Perception and Data Points Widespread Disapproval: Reports suggest that 71% of Brits do not trust Starmer to manage immigration, which is viewed as a highly polarizing and critical issue for the public. Political Repercussions: The perception that the Labour Party has lost control of the immigration situation has allowed opposition parties, specifically Reform UK, to make significant gains in local elections. Policy Shift Criticism: Starmer has been accused of adopting "tough" rhetoric and policies similar to those on the right, aiming to lower high net migration figures (which fell to 431,000 in 2024), but this has caused backlash from within his own party. Rising Anti-Immigration Sentiment: While some proposals, such as doubling the time for citizenship application to 10 years, have some backing, the general sentiment is that the government is not doing enough to curb the numbers, particularly regarding small boat crossings, which increased in early 2025.
williamthebastard rank	Fri May 08 16:32:29 Rofl, AI: "why is keir starmer approval rating low The short version is: many voters expected major change after the Conservatives lost power in 2024, but a lot of people feel life has not improved enough — and some think Labour has become inconsistent or unclear about what it stands for. Some left-leaning Labour voters think he has moved too far toward tougher positions on immigration and welfare..."
Rugian rank	Fri May 08 16:33:52 Nice pivot, again. Kind of useless to argue with someone who can't ever admit he's wrong.
williamthebastard rank	Fri May 08 16:34:55 It is indeed. When you lie that 50% is 100%, youre just a KKK joke
williamthebastard rank	Fri May 08 16:35:38 But of course, thats why I almost never speak to you or read your racist hatred intended to cause suffering to innocent people.
williamthebastard rank	Fri May 08 16:40:05 Of course, as we all know, the reason UKIP/Reform wins votes is because they tell lies like Trump and simplify the world to a childs level offering idiot solutions to voters who are politically illiterate. But lets not get into the reality and complexities of the world when youre riding high and happy on the lie that 50% == 100%
williamthebastard rank	Fri May 08 16:45:18 In a timely manner, this popped up just now in my feed, on the topic of many labour voters thinking Starmer is too close to conservatives on immigration, while cons think he's too far off - so he's scared off both sides on that topic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AD0mXDdmaRA
Sam Adams rank	Fri May 08 20:21:56 WTB you are not cut out for this. You just got completely shitspanked by rugian. You should take your meds. Maybe have a glass or 2 of nice french wine, relax and focus on something more productive.
jergul rank	Fri May 08 20:52:21 Reform got 21% of the slots with 26% of the vote. My prediction of 20-25% bang on. Yay jergulmath :). The Scottish nationalist party got a supermajority of seats in its Parliament.
Seb rank	Fri May 08 22:31:35 Rugian: What the poll isn't telling you is that a significant proportion of people who are unhappy with his immigration policy are left wing people unhappy with the ultra-hardline position he's taken, and switching to Green. Labour may be losing seats to reform but the reason is because that are losing votes to parties on their left, or to people staying home. Hence nutter net migration under Labour is heading rapidly to zero, down 70% in 2025 on 2024, with a similar drop forecast this year. I don't know where you get there idea that their policy is incoherent. What do you understand Labour's immigration policy to be, exactly? Jergul: People behave differently in locals - opposition parties and populist parties tend to do better than at GE as people don't really understand what councils do and can vote reform without worrying about getting Farrage as govt; and there's less pressure to vote tactically to keep someone you really dislike. Reform are obviously doing pretty well in council seats, but you can see that aren't winning loads of councils. When all the results are in it will be interesting to see geographic distribution and efficiency. That will tell us more. 20% of seats on 26% of the vote isn't that bad actually, but as I said GEs tend to be more punitive to homogenous geographic distribution. Polling of reform voter preferences reveals oddities too: basically a lot of people voting reform seem to think it's a very different policy platform than it actually is. This tends to come out in GE. Overall: Labour is getting punished for fracturing its coalition by pursuing a caricature of centre right voters who they haven't picked up any support from, and assuming that their left flank will stick with them because it has nowhere else to go. Catastrophic electoral strategy, compounded by a leader who seems out of his depth. But still all to play for over the next three years. I would generally advise ditching PM, it looks unstable and like the chaos of the Tories; but I don't think Starmer has the credibility or charisma to successfully sell a u-turn on labours political grand strategy. A swift and well organised transition of leadership combined with new messaging would go a long way.
Sam Adams rank	Fri May 08 23:29:46 "the ultra-hardline position he's taken" Ultra hard-line position of Not sending anyone back. Arresting white people who complain Letting migrants crime up the whole place Much hard-line very fascist. Lol dunce.
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