Utopia Talk / Politics / UK strikes again

Sam Adams rank	Sat May 16 03:12:25 one of sebs importss stabbed a British boy to death. Cops rushed to the scene. The import said the white kid had used naughty words. So sebs cops arrested the dieing white kid. He bled to death in handcuffs. https://ne...outhampton-court-told-13543982
Pillz rank	Sat May 16 03:31:15 He should be posthumously convicted and his parents and teachers forced to undergo re-education and socialization training for their roles in this.
williamthebastard rank	Sat May 16 12:21:45 ^ Was nick-named “Soapy” in jail after attacking his father because he used to drop the soap on purpose
Sam Adams rank	Sat May 16 20:39:18 https://x.com/FaytuksNetwork/status/2055712392676266423?s=20 Sebs migrant runs over and stabs a bunch of people.
jergul rank	Sat May 16 21:36:21 Nice to see them adapting so well to British culture. Stabbings have been the British norm since clubs and slashing weapons when out of fashion in the 19th century.
Sam Adams rank	Sat May 16 23:25:19 ”Italian authorities identified the driver who rammed pedestrians in central Modena as 31-year-old Salim El Koudri"
jergul rank	Sun May 17 14:55:55 Another great example of assimilation. He really took to heart that Italians are shit drivers.
murder rank	Sun May 17 19:13:47 lol @ jergul :o)
Forwyn rank	Mon May 18 05:15:42 As a reminder, this kid had wounds to the back of his legs. Because he tried to climb a fence to flee as he was screaming for help. And the subhuman scum said that he was forced to stab him, because the white racist grabbed his turban and called him names. Imports are allowed to carry knives, unlike British natives. Seb will cheer subsidizing this subhuman's life. He will likely walk the streets again by 2045.
Seb rank	Mon May 18 08:59:10 "Subhuman"
Sam Adams rank	Mon May 18 09:17:57 Ya seb, what you call Jews.
Seb rank	Mon May 18 09:55:30 NaMBLA: I have never done so and never will do so.
jergul rank	Mon May 18 10:10:50 Forwyn Anyone is allowed to carry a knife in the UK if for worthy purpose. Tradesmen have them all the time. It is also fine to have a knife when wearing a kilt. The UK is very stabby-stabby. Like I have said, new countrymen in the UK stabbing people is just them embracing British culture.
jergul rank	Mon May 18 10:16:53 and wounds at the lower back of legs is just teaching the kid a lesson. Totally illegal of course, but those kinds of wounds are not attempts at killing. Amazing to me that anyone would think taking away a Sikh's headgear was a good idea. Crazy stuff. I guess they just could not find any Gurhkas to assault.
jergul rank	Mon May 18 10:18:14 In sum: play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Sam Adams rank	Mon May 18 12:40:17 Seb you antisemite, you arent allowed to say that in your shithole or you might actually go to jail. We all know from your virulent pro hamas comments that you want to say it.
Seb rank	Mon May 18 13:51:06 NaMBLA: So you concede that you lied - that is not what I called the Jews. What incredibly pro-Hamas comments? I've only ever made anti-Hamas comments. Another lie you have uttered. You can't help but be dishonest.
Forwyn rank	Mon May 18 13:56:16 "Amazing to me that anyone would think taking away a Sikh's headgear was a good idea." There is no evidence it actually happened.
Seb rank	Mon May 18 13:59:59 Jergul: Worth noting that he clearly illegally carried a knife as stabbing someone isn't a religious purpose. Kirpans normally are supposed to be about 3-6 inches and blunt. I suspect the wounds to the back of the legs would certainly invalidate any claim of self defence.
Seb rank	Mon May 18 14:03:31 Also the knife he was carrying and used was additional to a kirpan so almost certainly guilty of carrying an offensive weapon irrespective of exemption for the kirpan. The religious allowance for the kirpan is irrelevant to the case. Note the usual suspects who normally decry UK laws and oppose US gun laws are reversing their normal position.
williamthebastard rank	Mon May 18 14:13:36 "It is every mans duty to have a gun! Or even his own mortars! Or even his own tanks and missiles! But pen knives must be illegal!" - 2nd Amendment Web Warriors
Forwyn rank	Mon May 18 14:30:26 "Pen knives" You have 9 inch fixed blade pen daggers over there? Nice. Yeah I have zero issues with a kirpan here. I carry an equivalent knife (alongside edc) that I use daily. It is that there is a discrepancy in availability of force multiplier, created by an exemption for an import. "irrelevant to the case." Except the victim did not have the same tools for his defense. Except the subhuman and his cockroach mother were able to hide the dagger and initially claim the kirpan as the weapon used - because it would be, that's what it's meant for. And if he had, your police wouldn't bat an eye.
Seb rank	Mon May 18 14:58:35 Forwyn: Only there isn't a discrepancy because Kirpans are typically 3-6 inches and blunt and normally worn under clothes, so useless as a weapon; and while you can say larger sharper weapons are for religious purposes the police can and will challenge that if they think it's reasonably *not* for religious purposes (e.g. being 9 inches, sharp and being worn visibly suggests intimidation). In any case, it's irrelevant because the knife he was carrying and used was not a kirpan. He was straight up carrying an offensive weapon in violation of the law just as it is when white people do it. "Except the victim did not have the same tools for his defense" Which would also be true if he was attacked by a white man carrying a 9 inch knife. Your entire argument is predicated on the false claim that the attacker had a privilege to be carrying the weapon he killed the guy with legally. He didn't. End of. Not even because he changed the purpose of his kirpan, but because he didn't use his kirpan in the first place. "were able to hide the dagger and initially claim the kirpan as the weapon used" Which rather proves my point, and obviously didn't succeed because the police aren't idiots and can see the stab wounds do not match the kirpan and there's no blood or other forensic evidence the kirpan was used. "that's what it's meant for. " It absolutely isn't, which is why they are normally small and blunt, and in addition the moment you use it to threaten (let alone stab) someone that's immediately carrying an offensive weapon and a crime. This puts Sikhs in exactly the same class as chefs (permitted to wonder around with 12 inch razor sharp blades if clearly for work purposes), but will absolutely get jail time if they brandish or wear them in a way that's obviously to intimidated or threaten. Your repeated use of Subhuman and Cockroach utterly discredits you. It's really clear that what your major concern is, is the race of the perpetrator.
Forwyn rank	Mon May 18 15:25:00 "typically 3-6 inches and blunt" You're generalizing, and this is based on UK law, not outside application - Kirpans can be 18" swords in other nations. In any case, a 5-6" knife is rather large. "if he was attacked by a white man carrying a 9 inch knife." He was attacked by a man with a knife. "It absolutely isn't" It absolutely is. You're rather ignorant of Sikhism. "Your repeated use of Subhuman and Cockroach" A murderer and his accomplice. That they used racism as a weapon to have a young man restrained while he drowned in his own blood is obviously an exacerbating factor. Your priority to cry about this utterly discredits you.
Seb rank	Mon May 18 18:05:24 Forwyn: You are complaining that the UK law is discriminatory in that it allows Sikhs to carry a knife. So yes, it's correct to look at specifically how that law works in the UK, not what a Sikh in Punjab is carrying around. "In any case, a 5-6" knife is rather large." Yes it is, which is why they are often also blunt. "You're rather ignorant of Sikhism" I think you are. It's supposed to be symbolic, hence most are blunt, not used to murder people; and irrespective of Sikhs beliefs UK law trumps that in the UK; use of a kirpan to threaten, intimidate or assault is illegal. "He was attacked by a man with a knife." I'm glad you have acknowledged it was a human that attacked him. But the point remains, he wasn't attacked with a kirpan. "A murderer and his accomplice." Yes, but you and NaMBLA's attempt to use this person to dehumanise every Sikh is much worse. We know where that ends up. "They are all cockroaches and so must be exterminated". "That they used racism as a weapon to have a young man restrained while he drowned in his own blood is obviously an exacerbating factor." You are incorrect. Police restrain people involved in knife fights to ensure they aren't still armed. It has nothing to do with racism, it's due to the claim that he was *attacked* by Novak. The police clearly fucked up in failing to treat prioritise treating the injuries. It is also not yet clear in reports that Novak did not in fact initiate the fight. He was drunk and clearly taunting him on the phone, though that does not excuse murder or illegal carrying of a knife. You have however defended white people who have used unnecessary lethal force to defend themselves in the past so it is odd that - absent the full facts - you a have decided a brown person claiming to have done the same must be a Subhuman Cockroach. For avoidance of doubt, to me and in law it will not matter if Novak started it, the fact he was illegally carrying and the fact that there are injuries to the legs almost certainly mean he's guilty of murder. My point is, if this was a white man that had gunned down a Sikh threatening him, using a gun he should not have had; you'd be praising him.
Forwyn rank	Mon May 18 19:17:10 "often" lol "It's supposed to be symbolic" No. It is literally a last means of defense. It has ceremonial purposes too, but folks with tiny/dull/welded shut Kirpans are mocked as not following the text: "When all other means have failed, it is righteous to hold the sword in hand." Shaheed Baba Jarnail Singh stated that kirpans should be no less than ~9". "he wasn't attacked with a kirpan." It is still an exception, created an element of doubt, and would have vastly complicated the case if he had used it. Novak did not have that option. "is much worse" Yes. Shit talking a murderer online is worse than murdering someone. LMFAO "knife fights" This wasn't a knife fight. And only one party claimed to have a knife. "He was drunk" False "clearly taunting him on the phone" "clearly" lol "unnecessary lethal force" Also false. Feel free to provide a specific example and I'll explain why your attempted comparison is bad. "absent the full facts - you a have decided a brown person claiming to have done the same" "there are injuries to the legs" "you'd be praising him." Not if he shot him in the back.
williamthebastard rank	Mon May 18 19:20:55 Kirpans are specifically made to kill neighbours cats and dogs and eat them. I thought every self-respecting maga-bot knew this.
Sam Adams rank	Mon May 18 20:17:28 "What incredibly pro-Hamas comments?" you mean other than your long list of repeating hamas propaganda, antisemitic blood libels, cheering on pro-hamas rallies in London streets etc etc, importing terrorists that want to kill Jews. Lol not just an antisemite but a lieing antisemite.
Seb rank	Mon May 18 21:12:14 Forwyn: What can I say. 1. UK law ultimately trumps their religion. If they were carrying it for potential use, that's a crime in itself. 2. Most UK Sikhs do not appear to agree with you, and they matter more. "still an exception," Not really, there are many valid reasons to legitimately carry a knife, this is just one exception. "created an element of doubt," What element of doubt, exactly? Who doubted what when? "and would have vastly complicated the case if he had used it." It would absolutely have not. If he used it to threaten or attack someone, then he's gone outside of the exemption: he's obviously not carrying it for religious purposes anymore. "Novak did not have that option" Not legally, no. But as I've pointed out, neither did his attacker, hence why he is being prosecuted for carrying as well as murder. "Yes. Shit talking a murderer online is worse than murdering someone. LMFAO" You aren't talking about a murder, Forwyn. The pattern of your repeated interventions and your use of language here and in letter cases is clear. You are very clearly advocating for ethnic cleansing. "This wasn't a knife fight" The police clearly felt it likely to have been one. Remember how vigorously you argued ICE agents was justified in shooting dead two civilians in the US recently? These guys didn't even use deadly force, simply restrained a guy while they searched him for weapons, then began medical treatment when they realised the severity of his injuries. "False" Really? He's wondering around accosting strangers and signing to himself after going for drinks. Sounds inebriated to me. "clearly" lol" Yes, very obviously so. "Not if he shot him in the back." Didn't you defend that guy ICE shot in the back when he was disarmed? NaMBLA: "you mean other than your long list of repeating hamas propaganda" Which propaganda? The only thing I can think of sourced from Hamas is the death toll figures, which Israel now endorses (hint: the IDF lies, they visited consider psyops and propaganda "shaping the information environment" a legitimate military action). I did not cheer on Hamas supporters, I explicitly told you they would and should be arrested, and then I provided reports of them being arrested.
Sam Adams rank	Mon May 18 22:10:00 Lie after lie after lie.
Seb rank	Mon May 18 23:16:15 When even your attempts to gaslight lack all credibility, isn't it time for you to pack it all in NaMBLA?
Sam Adams rank	Tue May 19 06:59:11 Everyone here knows you are a racist against jews and whites. Trying to deny it just makes you look like a dishonest retard. In addition to be racist.
Seb rank	Tue May 19 09:02:53 NaMBLA, give it up.
Sam Adams rank	Tue May 19 10:27:23 ^Dishonest retard
Seb rank	Tue May 19 11:33:59 You can't point to a single specific instance. Nothing I've said is out of place with what Haartez - a library Jewish Israeli newspaper - reports. The most inflammatory thing I've said is Israel is engaging in ethnic cleansing. You agree with that: you've not only acknowledged it, you support it.
Sam Adams rank	Tue May 19 22:29:25 "Jews train dogs to rape palestinians" Lol seb you retard.
Seb rank	Tue May 19 22:49:44 Time to take your medicine, you are hallucinating again.
Sam Adams rank	Wed May 20 00:13:15 Sorry seb, lieing about your antisemitic posts doesn't make you not racist.
Forwyn rank	Wed May 20 03:01:11 "If they were carrying it for potential use" Yes, that's what it's for. Ask any Sikh WHY the kirpan was mandated - it wasn't to bless tea, it was a means of last resort self-defense against the Mughals. "Most" Citation needed "this is just one exception." And the exception is self-defense masked by religion. "What element of doubt, exactly?" It is exactly what they all immediately aligned on. His dad lied about it. His brother lied about it. His mother lied about it and hid the dagger. THEY thought it was believable to claim that he used the kirpan in self-defense. I'm not sure if it makes it worse, but your traitorous pigs are not completely retarded. "If he used it to threaten or attack someone" We've had this issue before; the British mind struggles with the abstract. We are not discussing felonious assault, we are discussing self-defense - which he claimed, and continues to claim. A valid claim of self-defense with a kirpan of legal length is not the clear cut case you claim. "You aren't talking about a murder, Forwyn...You are very clearly advocating for ethnic cleansing." I am talking about a murder. And its concealment. And the claim of racism. And the cops' initial support of this. And various middle ground resolutions to this. You oppose them all, so yes, it is likely to continue to accelerate. You and your government will selectively use police state powers on people protesting, continuing to show your priorities. Keep at it. "simply restrained a guy while they searched him for weapons, then began medical treatment when they realised the severity of his injuries." Yes, they handcuffed him, called him a liar, and then "rendered aid" when they realized he wasn't fucking breathing anymore. "Sounds inebriated to me." Under the legal limit. "Yes, very obviously so." Still not obviously so. The video transcript does not include the initial interaction and could indicate nervousness. Your attempts at victim-blaming are really awesome, though. "Remember how vigorously you argued ICE agents was justified in shooting dead two civilians in the US recently? Didn't you defend that guy ICE shot in the back when he was disarmed?" I defended the Renee Good shooting, and am glad she is dead. I am happy that an attempt to establish a leftist blockade on residential streets was forcefully rejected. I don't believe I defended the Alex Pretti shooting, as this is a pretty severe example of bad policing - but understand that months of volatile situations one after the other can lead to mistakes, and am also glad he is dead, because an armed leftist cucking against immigration enforcement is no loss. That's the actual cleansing needed. Digwas just need to go home, it's the white leftist victim blamers that will actually need to face the wall.
Seb rank	Wed May 20 15:19:34 Forwyn: And the prohibition on eating pork is likely due to to the spread of disease; but that's not why it's practiced by Muslims and Jews now. I actually know a few Sikhs, so I have, and they say something about symbolic justice or some such, they aren't expecting to defend themselves from Mughals save certainly not with a three inch blunt symbolic blade. "And the exception is self-defense masked by religion" Nope, because self-defence is not a valid reason to carry and if you used one in self defence you'd still likely be guilty of carrying an offensive weapon. "It is exactly what they all immediately aligned on. His dad lied about it. His brother lied about it. His mother lied about it and hid the dagger" You haven't answered the question. What was doubted by whom? The police charges of illegal carrying are valid whether he used the kirpan, or as was actually the case, a large illegal knife he was carrying additional to the kirpan; because the moment you pull it out to attack or threaten someone, it isn't for religious purposes. "THEY thought it was believable to claim that he used the kirpan in self-defense" Well yes, defendants often try to exculpate their crimes. If he was not a Sikh, he'd probably try to explain why he was carrying such a knife legally with some other bullshit excuse. "We've had this issue before; the British mind struggles with the abstract." I rather think you are the one struggling with the abstract here. "we are discussing self-defense - which he claimed, and continues to claim." Irrelevant. You can construct this entire scenario replacing it with a trainee chef who used an illegally carried combat knife and then pretending he used his chefs knife; and the trainee chef would be guilty of murder if he used his knives to "defend himself" given the disproportionality of his actions. He's probably still be guilty if he actually did use his chefs knife. The only difference is you would do a complete 180 and be arguing UK laws were insane.
williamthebastard rank	Wed May 20 15:32:44 rofl "List homicide rates for USA's 10 largest cities and London Rank by population City Country Approx. homicide rate (per 100,000 residents) 1 New York City USA ~3.4–3.7 2 Los Angeles USA ~6.9–7.0 3 Chicago USA ~16.7–18.2 4 Houston USA ~11.6–12.9 5 Phoenix USA ~4.7–5.0 6 Philadelphia USA ~18.1–19.8 7 San Antonio USA ~8–10 8 San Diego USA ~2–3 9 Dallas USA ~6.8–10.9 10 Jacksonville USA ~12–14 — London UK ~1.1"
williamthebastard rank	Wed May 20 15:39:38 "List homicide rates for USA's 50 largest cities and London 50 Aurora USA ~10 — London UK ~1.1" It stops counting after 50 and just says London has substantially less homicides than all larger cities in the USA rofl
williamthebastard rank	Wed May 20 15:44:10 Murder rate for Birmingham, USA and Birmingham, UK. You guess which one is which: ~50–59 ~1.07
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