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Sam Adams
rank Mon Jun 08 00:08:19
Lol what a retard.

His pathological obsession with a "deal" rather than victory will go down in history.

Jesse Malcolm Barack
rank Mon Jun 08 00:57:38
dude trumps running scared about the midterms and was tweeting shizz about how him and the ayatollah are buddies who will run the strait together as partners months ago

whatever deal he gets will be worse than obamas one and iran will be stronger than before he attacked but trump will pretend he won and foxnews and maga will go along with it

Habebe
rank Mon Jun 08 02:11:52
I don't think Trump gives a fuck about midterms.

He is probably more concerned with his legacy, and this Iran excursion has turned into a shitshow.

I feel like the military knew it would end up basically a pointless venture, we bombed them, tooknout some old shitty conventional equipment and then wouldn't commit what was needed to accomplish the objective.

So like I said early on...IF we had actual regime change, that would be good, BUT it's not worth what it would take.

Jesse Malcolm Barack
rank Mon Jun 08 02:14:35
dude trumps demanding repubs gerrymander every state mid cycle to stop him being a lame duck and prevent another impeachment he's panicking

Habebe
rank Mon Jun 08 02:39:09
Lame duck is probably a good ending to his term, limits the BS.

Seb
rank Mon Jun 08 09:30:21
It's almost as if the US can't achieve victory more a deal as good as JCPOA (now that Iran knows the US can't actually destroy the regime, and they can quite easily deny access to the strait).

It's almost as if everyone sensible has told you this for years.

It's almost as if this delusional belief in omnipotence has already played out with another *axis of evil* member 20 years ago during which republicans and idiots on this board have learned absolutely nothing.

NaMBLA thinks trump is dumb for losing, while not realising he's the dumby for insisting on a military solution in the first place.

Sam Adams
rank Mon Jun 08 09:36:29
The US could easily achieve this militarily.

Lmao seb=trump=neville

TheChildren
rank Mon Jun 08 09:38:55
ya u lost...months ago

time 2 wakey wakey alan

Seb
rank Mon Jun 08 09:59:38
NaMBLA:

If it could, it would have.

Sam Adams
rank Mon Jun 08 22:59:54
Nah. A 747 can fly from london to Bangladesh. With a good pilot of course. If I put you up you wouldnt even make it to the runway.

murder
rank Mon Jun 08 23:30:58

Trump doesn't have any good choices. He tried bombing them, but the regime didn't collapse and the people didn't revolt.

Short of a ground invasion, the blockade is all he's got, and that will take a long time to work, and it will drive energy costs higher, and the mid-terms are coming up.

It also takes forever to ramp up the production of high end interceptors.

Netanyahu handed Trump a tar-baby.

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Seb
rank Tue Jun 09 00:44:53
Murder:

Trump handed trump a tar baby.

Obama had sorted the Iran issue with JCPOA, Trump decided to pull it to bits. Just like Clinton sorted North Korea but Bush decided to screw it up.

Sam Adams
rank Tue Jun 09 07:12:11
"Obama had sorted the Iran issue with JCPOA"

You are faking being this retarded right?

Seb
rank Tue Jun 09 07:20:04
No NaMBLA - what we see now is the exact consequence of you being retarded over the last 10 years in pretending ing that it wasn't because that would have meant accepting a black man did a decent job.

Sam Adams
rank Tue Jun 09 07:37:51
a decent job.

JCPOA

Lmfao you have to be faking this. No one could be this dumb.

Seb
rank Tue Jun 09 11:58:52
You just tried your best at taking out the Iran regime and destroying their ability to threaten the region and develop nukes; and failed.

It wasn't because Trump botched the tactics. The tactics were just fine. Sure, you could have done a bit more to harden regional bases, but that wouldn't materially change anything. It's just the best campaign the US can launch was not able to achieve the results you wanted; and in revealing that you've taken the ability to hold Iran at risk off the table. They now know you can't achieve regime change, and the cost of your attack in military terms is now a sunk cost, and they know you can't repeat it for years due to depletes stocks, and they know for sure they can very easily close the straits and they know the impact that has.

They hold the better cards, you played yours badly.

And the results of Trump and the US Right's approach is demonstrably worse than what JCPOA achieved. Trump will not be able to secure anything as good as JCPOA nor achieve anything better by further use of force.

You failed. Not because Trump executed your ideas badly. The military executed them - for all purposes that matter - as close to optimal that can be achieved. Trump failed because he implemented your ideas, and they are retarded.

That's all.

Allahuakbar
rank Tue Jun 09 13:19:24
The reason why Trump is failing: the Zionists!

https://ww...ockade-on-Hormuz-if-talks-fail

Commenting on US President Donald Trump’s repeated claims about wanting a deal with Iran, Rezaei stated, “Any agreement is only possible if the rights of the Iranian people are completely respected under international law and the UN Charter.”

“Only under such conditions can an agreement be reached,” he said.

He expressed deep skepticism about reaching a genuine agreement with the United States, citing Trump’s well-known inconsistency and subservience to the Zionist regime.

“Mr. Trump does not demonstrate the necessary courage in negotiations. At times, he comes under the influence of public opinion manufactured by the Zionists. He says one thing to us and then takes it back. He is not fundamentally a man of negotiation; he is simply incapable of negotiating,” Rezaei remarked.

The senior Iranian official pointed out that indirect talks continue through mediators, but major obstacles remain, especially regarding the release of Iran’s frozen assets.

“Americans must speak clearly. Negotiations cannot succeed with ambiguity and excessive demands,” he warned.

Sam Adams
rank Tue Jun 09 22:14:02
"You just tried your best"

Lol seb the military strategist. We got a regular stonewall jackson napoleon right here.

Jesse Malcolm Barack
rank Tue Jun 09 22:34:41
http://www.ynetnews.com/article/yf5djc6u8

Trump on American aircraft incident: 'Not a big deal'

oh man trumps so scared he'll lose his peace deal iran can shoot down american aircraft and its not a big deal

Sam Adams
rank Tue Jun 09 22:36:49
Lol trump = seb.

Seb
rank Tue Jun 09 23:04:09
NaMBLA:

Ok, what, exactly, did the US fail at tactically that you think it could have succeeded at instead?

Rugian
rank Tue Jun 09 23:09:02
Underdeployment of forces posted to the Gulf for one thing.

Sam Adams
rank Tue Jun 09 23:09:08
Time seb.

Lol retard.

"When you are kicking ass, stop your attack and talk a lot" -seb, trump.

Lmfao.

Sam Adams
rank Tue Jun 09 23:44:17
So it looks like trump is conducting a minor strike for the Apache.

Habebe
rank Tue Jun 09 23:52:58
Could the US get actual regime change? I 100% think so.

The problem is we clearly can not do it without ground troops and likley would be a major ongoing forever war.

But in all fairness, that was Irans strategy the entire time, make it not worth the hassle.

Seb
rank Wed Jun 10 02:09:07
NaMBLA:

But you aren't kicking ass, really, are you.

You've spent more in cruise missiles and in air defence missiles than you can reasonably afford given need to maintain deterrence in other theatres which is why you've stopped along with the fact the economic pain of a global energy crisis is too much.

And the regime is still there, it can still fire missiles enough to fuck up your regional allies and bases and it can still prevent civilian shipping through the straits and you still haven't prevented them from being able to reconstitute its nuke program.

If your argument is you would just keep going until you have no cruise missiles and patriot interceptors left, is there any reason to think you'd get better results?

Nah. You'd be just exactly where you are now, but unable to do shit if China invaded Taiwan. That's all.

Seb
rank Wed Jun 10 02:09:43
You can't even deter Iran from shooting down your helicopters.

Seb
rank Wed Jun 10 02:14:00
Rugian:

And what difference do you think that would make to the outcome?

Do you think the damage to any of the bases Iran attacked could have been prevented?

It's not like the US strikes on Iran were poorly executed in scale. The issue is simply that are always going to get some shots off, and some of those will get through.

The US strikes were very effective tactically. The issue is that they can't deliver strategic outcome you want no matter how successfully they are carried out.

It doesn't matter how amazing your ladder is, it still never let you climb you to the moon.

Sam Adams
rank Wed Jun 10 03:53:16
"But you aren't kicking ass, really, are you."

"The US strikes were very effective tactically."

Seb 5 minutes apart.

Lol IQ check on aisle 6 please.

Seb
rank Wed Jun 10 13:51:07
NaMBLA:

The fact you think those two statements are in opposition is proof of how dumb you are.

The best engineered car isn't capable of flight. You can drive it everywhere on land perfectly, but you still aren't going to fly anywhere.

The reason you have failed in Iran is not because your military is underperforming or is doing war wrong.

The reason you are failing in Iran is because the strategy is wrong. This hasn't got a viable military solution.

You are trying to drive a car to the moon.

Sam Adams
rank Wed Jun 10 22:31:32
"This hasn't got a viable military solution."

Lol seb the military genius. Right up there with wellington and Nelson.

"The US strikes were very effective tactically."

Then keep doing them. Duh. Lol you retard.

Habebe
rank Wed Jun 10 23:30:49
Sam, We absolutely did alot of damage via said strikes.

The problem is we could do such strikes forever and it wouldn't get us regime change IMHO.

Like people are acting like Iran is coming out of this unscathed, look up the actual damages on both sides and clearly they got fucked up more than news seems to portray.

But, we don't want.to just fuck up Iran, we want regime change.

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Sam Adams rank	Mon Jun 08 00:08:19 Lol what a retard. His pathological obsession with a "deal" rather than victory will go down in history.
Jesse Malcolm Barack rank	Mon Jun 08 00:57:38 dude trumps running scared about the midterms and was tweeting shizz about how him and the ayatollah are buddies who will run the strait together as partners months ago whatever deal he gets will be worse than obamas one and iran will be stronger than before he attacked but trump will pretend he won and foxnews and maga will go along with it
Habebe rank	Mon Jun 08 02:11:52 I don't think Trump gives a fuck about midterms. He is probably more concerned with his legacy, and this Iran excursion has turned into a shitshow. I feel like the military knew it would end up basically a pointless venture, we bombed them, tooknout some old shitty conventional equipment and then wouldn't commit what was needed to accomplish the objective. So like I said early on...IF we had actual regime change, that would be good, BUT it's not worth what it would take.
Jesse Malcolm Barack rank	Mon Jun 08 02:14:35 dude trumps demanding repubs gerrymander every state mid cycle to stop him being a lame duck and prevent another impeachment he's panicking
Habebe rank	Mon Jun 08 02:39:09 Lame duck is probably a good ending to his term, limits the BS.
Seb rank	Mon Jun 08 09:30:21 It's almost as if the US can't achieve victory more a deal as good as JCPOA (now that Iran knows the US can't actually destroy the regime, and they can quite easily deny access to the strait). It's almost as if everyone sensible has told you this for years. It's almost as if this delusional belief in omnipotence has already played out with another axis of evil member 20 years ago during which republicans and idiots on this board have learned absolutely nothing. NaMBLA thinks trump is dumb for losing, while not realising he's the dumby for insisting on a military solution in the first place.
Sam Adams rank	Mon Jun 08 09:36:29 The US could easily achieve this militarily. Lmao seb=trump=neville
TheChildren rank	Mon Jun 08 09:38:55 ya u lost...months ago time 2 wakey wakey alan
Seb rank	Mon Jun 08 09:59:38 NaMBLA: If it could, it would have.
Sam Adams rank	Mon Jun 08 22:59:54 Nah. A 747 can fly from london to Bangladesh. With a good pilot of course. If I put you up you wouldnt even make it to the runway.
murder rank	Mon Jun 08 23:30:58 Trump doesn't have any good choices. He tried bombing them, but the regime didn't collapse and the people didn't revolt. Short of a ground invasion, the blockade is all he's got, and that will take a long time to work, and it will drive energy costs higher, and the mid-terms are coming up. It also takes forever to ramp up the production of high end interceptors. Netanyahu handed Trump a tar-baby. -
Seb rank	Tue Jun 09 00:44:53 Murder: Trump handed trump a tar baby. Obama had sorted the Iran issue with JCPOA, Trump decided to pull it to bits. Just like Clinton sorted North Korea but Bush decided to screw it up.
Sam Adams rank	Tue Jun 09 07:12:11 "Obama had sorted the Iran issue with JCPOA" You are faking being this retarded right?
Seb rank	Tue Jun 09 07:20:04 No NaMBLA - what we see now is the exact consequence of you being retarded over the last 10 years in pretending ing that it wasn't because that would have meant accepting a black man did a decent job.
Sam Adams rank	Tue Jun 09 07:37:51 a decent job. JCPOA Lmfao you have to be faking this. No one could be this dumb.
Seb rank	Tue Jun 09 11:58:52 You just tried your best at taking out the Iran regime and destroying their ability to threaten the region and develop nukes; and failed. It wasn't because Trump botched the tactics. The tactics were just fine. Sure, you could have done a bit more to harden regional bases, but that wouldn't materially change anything. It's just the best campaign the US can launch was not able to achieve the results you wanted; and in revealing that you've taken the ability to hold Iran at risk off the table. They now know you can't achieve regime change, and the cost of your attack in military terms is now a sunk cost, and they know you can't repeat it for years due to depletes stocks, and they know for sure they can very easily close the straits and they know the impact that has. They hold the better cards, you played yours badly. And the results of Trump and the US Right's approach is demonstrably worse than what JCPOA achieved. Trump will not be able to secure anything as good as JCPOA nor achieve anything better by further use of force. You failed. Not because Trump executed your ideas badly. The military executed them - for all purposes that matter - as close to optimal that can be achieved. Trump failed because he implemented your ideas, and they are retarded. That's all.
Allahuakbar rank	Tue Jun 09 13:19:24 The reason why Trump is failing: the Zionists! https://ww...ockade-on-Hormuz-if-talks-fail Commenting on US President Donald Trump’s repeated claims about wanting a deal with Iran, Rezaei stated, “Any agreement is only possible if the rights of the Iranian people are completely respected under international law and the UN Charter.” “Only under such conditions can an agreement be reached,” he said. He expressed deep skepticism about reaching a genuine agreement with the United States, citing Trump’s well-known inconsistency and subservience to the Zionist regime. “Mr. Trump does not demonstrate the necessary courage in negotiations. At times, he comes under the influence of public opinion manufactured by the Zionists. He says one thing to us and then takes it back. He is not fundamentally a man of negotiation; he is simply incapable of negotiating,” Rezaei remarked. The senior Iranian official pointed out that indirect talks continue through mediators, but major obstacles remain, especially regarding the release of Iran’s frozen assets. “Americans must speak clearly. Negotiations cannot succeed with ambiguity and excessive demands,” he warned.
Sam Adams rank	Tue Jun 09 22:14:02 "You just tried your best" Lol seb the military strategist. We got a regular stonewall jackson napoleon right here.
Jesse Malcolm Barack rank	Tue Jun 09 22:34:41 http://www.ynetnews.com/article/yf5djc6u8 Trump on American aircraft incident: 'Not a big deal' oh man trumps so scared he'll lose his peace deal iran can shoot down american aircraft and its not a big deal
Sam Adams rank	Tue Jun 09 22:36:49 Lol trump = seb.
Seb rank	Tue Jun 09 23:04:09 NaMBLA: Ok, what, exactly, did the US fail at tactically that you think it could have succeeded at instead?
Rugian rank	Tue Jun 09 23:09:02 Underdeployment of forces posted to the Gulf for one thing.
Sam Adams rank	Tue Jun 09 23:09:08 Time seb. Lol retard. "When you are kicking ass, stop your attack and talk a lot" -seb, trump. Lmfao.
Sam Adams rank	Tue Jun 09 23:44:17 So it looks like trump is conducting a minor strike for the Apache.
Habebe rank	Tue Jun 09 23:52:58 Could the US get actual regime change? I 100% think so. The problem is we clearly can not do it without ground troops and likley would be a major ongoing forever war. But in all fairness, that was Irans strategy the entire time, make it not worth the hassle.
Seb rank	Wed Jun 10 02:09:07 NaMBLA: But you aren't kicking ass, really, are you. You've spent more in cruise missiles and in air defence missiles than you can reasonably afford given need to maintain deterrence in other theatres which is why you've stopped along with the fact the economic pain of a global energy crisis is too much. And the regime is still there, it can still fire missiles enough to fuck up your regional allies and bases and it can still prevent civilian shipping through the straits and you still haven't prevented them from being able to reconstitute its nuke program. If your argument is you would just keep going until you have no cruise missiles and patriot interceptors left, is there any reason to think you'd get better results? Nah. You'd be just exactly where you are now, but unable to do shit if China invaded Taiwan. That's all.
Seb rank	Wed Jun 10 02:09:43 You can't even deter Iran from shooting down your helicopters.
Seb rank	Wed Jun 10 02:14:00 Rugian: And what difference do you think that would make to the outcome? Do you think the damage to any of the bases Iran attacked could have been prevented? It's not like the US strikes on Iran were poorly executed in scale. The issue is simply that are always going to get some shots off, and some of those will get through. The US strikes were very effective tactically. The issue is that they can't deliver strategic outcome you want no matter how successfully they are carried out. It doesn't matter how amazing your ladder is, it still never let you climb you to the moon.
Sam Adams rank	Wed Jun 10 03:53:16 "But you aren't kicking ass, really, are you." "The US strikes were very effective tactically." Seb 5 minutes apart. Lol IQ check on aisle 6 please.
Seb rank	Wed Jun 10 13:51:07 NaMBLA: The fact you think those two statements are in opposition is proof of how dumb you are. The best engineered car isn't capable of flight. You can drive it everywhere on land perfectly, but you still aren't going to fly anywhere. The reason you have failed in Iran is not because your military is underperforming or is doing war wrong. The reason you are failing in Iran is because the strategy is wrong. This hasn't got a viable military solution. You are trying to drive a car to the moon.
Sam Adams rank	Wed Jun 10 22:31:32 "This hasn't got a viable military solution." Lol seb the military genius. Right up there with wellington and Nelson. "The US strikes were very effective tactically." Then keep doing them. Duh. Lol you retard.
Habebe rank	Wed Jun 10 23:30:49 Sam, We absolutely did alot of damage via said strikes. The problem is we could do such strikes forever and it wouldn't get us regime change IMHO. Like people are acting like Iran is coming out of this unscathed, look up the actual damages on both sides and clearly they got fucked up more than news seems to portray. But, we don't want.to just fuck up Iran, we want regime change.
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