Utopia Talk / Politics / US failures in Iran

Seb rank	Sat Jun 13 16:16:10 So, NaMBLA, let's get this straight. You think UAE paying Danegeld to Iran is a symptom of me being soft. Surely it's exactly what I warned of? You started a conflict, screwed your allies, demonstrated you can't defend them, and now they are defecting. I thought you said you were kicking ass?
TheChildren rank	Sun Jun 14 09:32:23 butbuuuttt da elon is da trillioniezaairrs nowzorz
Seb rank	Mon Jun 15 09:57:30 Oh look, so it seems the US has got a worse deal than it had on the table before the war. NaMBLA wins again.
williamthebastard rank	Mon Jun 15 10:30:13 “I hereby fully authorize (...) the immediate removal of the United States Naval blockade. Ships of the World, start your engines. Let the oil flow!” All thats happened so far is that the US is withdrawing its troops? Salsa Sunday. Man, this guy is unhealthily obssessed with mexican food
murder rank	Mon Jun 15 11:50:14 What are you talking about? Trump is getting the nuclear dust at some point in the future, and Iran has pinky sworn to never develop nuclear weapons. That's a huge victory! -
jergul rank	Mon Jun 15 12:13:15 The deal seems to codify the same thing the US, Russia and Canada are doing in the arctic. No transit tariffs, of course not. That would be against UNCLOS that at least Canada has signed. But there are service fees as everyone considers the arctic passages to be internal waters along the same lines Iran is arguing. So yay! Service fees. Not tariffs, silly. We are calling it something different, so it is different.
jergul rank	Mon Jun 15 12:14:47 I actually prefer premortems to post mortems. The US screwed up. Sure, leadership in Iran died, but I think the people who stepped up in their place are not completely unhappy about that. They did get to step up after all. Amazing that a country with 90 million people has leadership to spare.
jergul rank	Mon Jun 15 12:15:09 But what will happen now?
murder rank	Mon Jun 15 12:16:03 Trump also secured the unconditional surrender of the Islamic Republic. Win! -
williamthebastard rank	Mon Jun 15 12:26:14 This must be making netanyahu cry blood.
williamthebastard rank	Mon Jun 15 12:32:05 Anyway, the whole world knows now that Trump really likes little excursions against harmless little pirate gangs etc., but hates the idea of what a bigger war would do for his ratings.
murder rank	Mon Jun 15 14:18:06 Iran has signed the Abraham Accords! All of Trump's war aims have been met ... +/- 100%. -
Seb rank	Wed Jun 17 20:31:44 Oh my god this is hilarious. An utter calamity, but still hilarious. All you fuckers saying JCPOA was terrible, what the fuck do you call facilitating a $300m fund, removing sanctions, normalising diplomatic relations, military drawdown from the US's regional bases and permitting them to charge for straits transit; all in exchange for Iran merely committing to its existing obligations under the NPT. There's not even an obligation to reimplement the enhanced safeguards. Oh yeah NaMBLA - the US really kicked arse. I'm so glad it's Trump not Harris in the oval office.
Sam Adams rank	Wed Jun 17 21:51:21 "what the fuck do you call" I call it utterly retarded. This easily makes trump the worst or amongst the worst wartime presidents ever. The leaders in Vietnam were pretty bad. Lincoln fucked up massively but at least he won. I also call that sebbing it up. That's exactly what you would have done. And harris too. Harris would actually have done even less. At least trump kicked ass for a month before sebbing.
Seb rank	Wed Jun 17 22:35:37 No NaMBLA, I would have simply maintained JCPOA. Under that, you had military infrastructure, options to snap back sanctions, intentional support, no HEU and very limited enrichment and ability to monitor. Now, you have non of that. Because you basically have insecurity issues thinking that is not an acceptably masculine solution to the problem. Pretty much everything about you is explainable by your lack of self confidence and overcompensation. It's why you guys are obsessed with trans issues, why you are obsessed with cuck, interracial sex etc.
Sam Adams rank	Wed Jun 17 22:52:53 "I would have simply maintained JCPOA." Indeed. That's why we call you neville. Lol dunce.
williamthebastard rank	Wed Jun 17 22:54:18 Look at the mentally ill genocidal filth trying to pretend that he is "we" rofl to gain popular support rofl
williamthebastard rank	Wed Jun 17 23:07:19 I think its time to end each post to Lying Pedophile from now on using his rhetoric: Here's hoping your mom gets her throat slit tonight in unimaginable pain and terror. Rofl!
williamthebastard rank	Wed Jun 17 23:34:03 You're sheer filth, Filthy Pedophile. I hope you die a horrific death. I hope your mother's throat gets ripped open in a flood of teroor and suffering that exceeds the usual 1/100th of the suffering you enjoy in others'. May your whore of a mother be savagely murdered lol
Seb rank	Thu Jun 18 00:07:20 NaMBLA: As opposed to starting a conflict you had no idea how to actually translate into tangible outcomes; blow though most of your stocks of munitions essentially disarming yourself, lose most of your bases in the region, then agree to compensate Iran, remove all sanctions... for less guardrails than JCPOA got? And I'm the fucking apeaser? I don't know NaMBLA - maybe you are right. Why not have another go and then sign over Alaska to Iran. That will show them how manly you are.
Paramount rank	Thu Jun 18 00:08:58 Sam voted for the pedo mafia. It’s Sam’s fault that the US sucks so much lately.
Seb rank	Thu Jun 18 00:10:10 Thing is, utterly retarded as Trump is, he's not as dumb as you. You'd have kept on going until you ran out of munitions with a MEF stranded on Kharg getting slaughtered by FPVs and artillery. Trump, fool that he is, managed to realise he'd fucked up badly. You, on the other hand, still haven't figured it out and never will. Thicker than Trump is an achievement.
williamthebastard rank	Thu Jun 18 00:11:46 He says that he didnt vote for Hit- Trump - but as the eternally lieing little pedophile liar he is, that just means he never bothers to vote for anyone at all, 'cos he's a developmentally arrested little cunt
williamthebastard rank	Thu Jun 18 00:20:51 Hey Lying Pedophile - many humans aspire to growing into something respectable in adulthood - admirable even. What made you choose a path that you know beyond a shadow of a doubt is despised as the coward's way of shifting blame and harming innocent people to pay for all your unintelligence and cruelty towards members of your own species? * Sorry, by what all humankind means by "cruelty", your mentally ill cult has rebranded "strength". To crush a small puppy beneath the tires of at SUV is "strength" in your world.
jergul rank	Thu Jun 18 01:48:26 Seb Dummy would have gotten himself into exactly the same trouble as trump and have to sit down and listen to why nukes cannot be used to blow himself out of that particular hole.
Sam Adams rank	Thu Jun 18 02:53:19 "you ran out of munitions with a MEF stranded on Kharg getting slaughtered by FPVs and artillery." Kharg is beyond irans effective range of both. Lol seb. The wellington of his time lmfao.
Sam Adams rank	Thu Jun 18 02:54:11 "And I'm the fucking apeaser?" Obviously Neville. Just because trump joined you as a pussy, doesn't make you any less of a pussy.
murder rank	Thu Jun 18 03:36:38 Trump surrendered at the Palace of Versailles. Amazing! lol :o) -
murder rank	Thu Jun 18 03:37:32 https://ww...-palace-versailles-digvid-vrtc
Seb rank	Thu Jun 18 08:29:09 Oh my god.... Just read this... What the fuck is wrong with these guys? Did they never read a fucking book ever?
Seb rank	Thu Jun 18 08:32:47 Jergul: Well he's looking at Trump and saying "US is kicking ass, let's just keep bombing and out a MEF or 2 on to Kharg Island" - so I do wonder if he'd have got to the table rather later and in an even weaker position.
jergul rank	Thu Jun 18 11:25:53 Murder Did he use the rail carriage? Seb Hard to say. Trump would have gone for the nuclear option without adults in the room. Who knows what dummy would have done with adults in the room and better information about actual US capabilities.
Seb rank	Thu Jun 18 11:48:34 Jergul: I think Trump is actually shit scared of nukes. Blase about threats, sure, but a fair few things he's said over the years make me wonder if it's like Reagan where something cut through (in regeans case, a movie) where it clicked. He's of the right generation for that to have been instilled, unlike NaMBLA. Could be wrong.
jergul rank	Thu Jun 18 14:07:16 Seb Sources quote him not understanding why they cannot be used. From his first term.
jergul rank	Thu Jun 18 14:08:42 Could be he learned something from Russia not nuking bits of Ukraine. It might have been explained why that would be bad for Russia.
Seb rank	Thu Jun 18 14:23:49 Jergul: Oh yeah, I remember that. Of course, Kremlinology on someone obviously deep into cognitive decline has limits.
TheChildren rank	Thu Jun 18 15:00:52 butbut da elonz is da 1th and 4th and 5th trilllionioniez man!!
Seb rank	Thu Jun 18 15:31:25 25km isn't beyond the range of artillery. Maybe FPV drones if they aren't doing the repeater stuff Russia and Ukraine are doing.
Sam Adams rank	Thu Jun 18 22:36:39 "25km" No part of kharg island is within 25km of the mainland. Plus they can't see their targets even at 25km. Marine entrenchments don't show up on Google maps, unlike Saudi oil refineries. And even if Iran wanted to move in artillery to fire blind at 40km... the US would tear a division of artillery to shreds in an hour. Not to mention all the supply vehicles... this would be a logistical effort in the face of the enemy that no country on earth except maybe China could even contemplate. This is mechanized large scale warfare... What the US dominates at to a level unheard of in almost the entire history of war. It would be medina ridge and the highway of death all over again. Lol Neville the master strategist.
Sam Adams rank	Thu Jun 18 22:50:35 Bandar ganaveh is a city of 100k people with decent road access 45 to 50km from kharg island. This is beyond the range of 152mm tubes and way beyond the range of remote controlled drones. Irans most obvious move would be to fire grads at maximum possible range from within the city, using the standard muslim tactic of human shields, resupplying the force disguised as food trucks and ambulances, hamas/Hezbollah style. Such limited and distant fire(and obviously we would still bomb many of those vehicles even inside the city) would have no chance of significantly disrupting a marine regiment. It barely harms jewish civilians. Lol@neville
Hrothgar rank	Thu Jun 18 23:03:02 I wonder if Trump, facing the reality that plan A pushed by Israel was not going to work, did some Trump maths on where the money is going to be, and is now working on becoming an Iranian friend. The recent tensions between Israel and US on this front is a bit surprising, and Trump pivoting to profiteering off better long term relations with Iran would not surprise me one bit. All a bunch of guessing of course, but knowing the flippancy of the Trump admin and lust for money, it makes me wonder.
Sam Adams rank	Thu Jun 18 23:10:06 Ya there's a decent chance that Iran bribed trump through their intermediaries qatar.
Seb rank	Fri Jun 19 00:12:20 "Plus they can't see their targets even at 25km" Lol. "logistical effort in the face of the enemy that no country on earth except maybe China could even contemplate." How much of your precision munitions have you used up already? "This is mechanized large scale warfare" Yeah, which is how Russia's invasion of Ukraine started out. If only the Iranians had some way of learning from that conflict. "What the US dominates at to a level unheard of in almost the entire history of war" Everyone who has tried to use that doctrine in the current age of drone centric warfare gets their arses handed to them; including that US in war games against Ukrainian forces. It's like cavalry going into ww1. "It would be medina ridge and the highway of death all over again." It really wouldn't. You've used half your stocks of standoff munitions trying to eliminate Iranian air defence, and they shot down one of your helicopters on the other side of the gulf last week. You aren't going to be doing CAS over Iran. "45 to 50km from kharg island." Both Russia and Ukraine have been using fixed wing drones to deliver gov quad and hex FPVs and then operate through relayed signals at that range. Russia uses Iranian drones as the delivery vehicle. It's highly likely they are collaborating on the technology. But sure, go pull a Putin and double down on your failed special military operation. It's not a war! We will topple the regime in a week! Etc.
Sam Adams rank	Fri Jun 19 01:16:55 "How much of your precision munitions have you used up already? " For this? 1% maybe. You don't use tomahawks to blow up a grad truck dumbass. "Yeah, which is how Russia's invasion of Ukraine started out. " Yes moron. And it would be the Iranians advancing heavy forces to attempt to shell kharg island. "It's like cavalry going into ww1." Yep. With American Marines in the trenches and the Iranians attempting to advance. "You aren't going to be doing CAS over Iran." Lol retard you mean other than overflying all of Iran at will allready and all the cas and launcher hunting already occuring? We can't do those things we have been doing the entire time? Lol duncemuffin. "Both Russia and Ukraine have been using fixed wing drones to deliver gov quad and hex FPVs and then operate through relayed signals at that range." Lol. No they haven't. Dumbass. "Russia uses Iranian drones as the delivery vehicle." Lol no. Dumbass. Not only is everything you said wrong, it is shockingly wrong. You are in short, not capable of human level thought.
Seb rank	Fri Jun 19 08:53:18 NaMBLA: They going to teleport straight into trenches? You are talking about an air/amphibious attack and trying to pretend it's the Iranians that's wpuld be advancing heavy columns. Delusional.
murder rank	Fri Jun 19 09:04:48 Kharg Island doesn't matter. We could not resupply forces there. There's a reason we didn't have navy ships operating in the gulf. Even destroyers could not stay safe for long. Invading Kharg Island was always a stupid idea, and that why we went with the naval blockade outside the gulf instead. -
murder rank	Fri Jun 19 09:09:46 "Yep. With American Marines in the trenches and the Iranians attempting to advance." Why would they need to advance? Our forces would be pinned down with nowhere to go but in the ground. The Iranians could literally starve them to the point of surrender. They could not be consistently resupplied, and they couldn't be rotated out. Taking that island would have been the single stupidest thing that Donald Trump has ever done. -
murder rank	Fri Jun 19 09:26:09 Oh and good luck medevacing anyone off the island. -
jergul rank	Fri Jun 19 09:35:37 Oh and good luck medevacing anyone off the island. Unfair. There are Zodiacs. The US navy has 1000nds of them.
Sam Adams rank	Fri Jun 19 09:44:19 "You are talking about an air/amphibious attack" On an island with few defenders. It's basically ours. "The Iranians could literally starve them" "Oh and good luck medevacing anyone off the island." Ummm. We have total air superiority. Especially there.
Seb rank	Fri Jun 19 09:52:54 If you have total air superiority, how was Iran able to shoot down an Apache operating on the other sides of the strait last week? Delusional.
Seb rank	Fri Jun 19 09:53:52 Jergul: See what I mean. Trump was talked out of such folly. Would NaMBLA be?
jergul rank	Fri Jun 19 10:03:26 I found it odd nobody mentioned carpet bombing the USMC with smaller, short range balistic missiles. The support ships and airpower would be hanging out in the Indian Ocean for the most part anyway. "Total air superiority" Lol, dummy. That would be called air dominance and you did not have that at all.
Sam Adams rank	Fri Jun 19 10:20:16 "If you have total air superiority, how was Iran able to shoot down an Apache " Lol. Nonhuman intellect.
Sam Adams rank	Fri Jun 19 10:22:00 "and you did not have that at all." Of course not. we were just landing c130s and refueling over Iran. That's not dominance at all. Lol sovuets.
jergul rank	Fri Jun 19 10:25:25 Dummy, the closest place you could have based your aircraft from would have been the Med. Just go for nuking Iran. You know you want to.
jergul rank	Fri Jun 19 10:28:25 Yes, lets talk about that completely failed operation to nab the HEU almost as bad as Carter's heli insertion attempt. You managed to clear a small area for very short term operations at a hefty price. Then you ran away as Iranians re-established access denial. lol. You are just like the Russian hardliners. Everything is going great. We just need more of it. Lulz, dummy.
williamthebastard rank	Fri Jun 19 10:51:04 Its an absolutely stunning failure for the US and even more so for Israel. Trump has given Iran a global economic nuke. Its also going to be aource of new income for them that will increase global prices. The Arab countries where the US has bases getting bombed are all looking at each other snd saying, "whats the fucking point of having US bases here to protect us when they all run back to the USA when they get hit? Better to buddy up with Iran again." And on and on and on. But whats even more fun is how Iran has maneuvred the situation into where the USA gets punished for whatever Israel does. Israel bombing Beirut again? Deal with the USA is off > USA tells Israel to lay the hell off > Israel is angrily forced to lay off. And so far its actually looking like Trump is doing just that. The conversation in Israel right now is one of outrage. Also, if he continues to just dump Israel the way he's doing now, it strongly suggests they arent using kompromat on him and that AIPAC bribes are still their main currency.
murder rank	Fri Jun 19 10:58:16 "The Arab countries where the US has bases getting bombed are all looking at each other snd saying, "whats the fucking point of having US bases here to protect us when they all run back to the USA when they get hit? Better to buddy up with Iran again."" In a nutshell ... yes. I don't think there's any danger of them buddying up to Iran, but they will do whatever they feel they need to do to maintain neutral relations with Iran, because no one can/will protect them, and they sure as hell aren't going to do it themselves if they can buy their way out of it. -
jergul rank	Fri Jun 19 11:02:04 That is the real problem. Hormuz, pfft. Iran can realistically rek decades of investments and roll back the clock to when the numerous principalities' primary industry was goatherding.
Seb rank	Fri Jun 19 11:46:51 Jergul: I mean I assumed that was a given - ballistic missiles I mean. NaMBLA: "we were just landing c130s" In the same operation an F-15 was shot down? That's an odd thing to use to claim you could operate an air supplied FOB on Kharg.
Seb rank	Fri Jun 19 11:49:55 Jergul: For now. UAE is investing heavily to remove the dependency on Hormuz. Obviously Iran can still just bomb them, but that's a much harder lever to use in practice.
jergul rank	Fri Jun 19 11:55:06 Would removing the dependency rely on pipelines? It is a neutrality move as it would not work if Iran was actively trying to disrupt bypasses.
Seb rank	Fri Jun 19 12:25:43 "Obviously Iran can still just bomb them, but that's a much harder lever to use in practice."
jergul rank	Fri Jun 19 12:39:21 Taking out pipelines is trivial.
jergul rank	Fri Jun 19 12:40:11 It just means UAE can unbundle itself from Hormuz concerns.
TheChildren rank	Fri Jun 19 12:45:51 but da 1st and da 4th triollioniez man is da same man!! dunt u fools see how superior they is and inferior we is!
Seb rank	Fri Jun 19 12:53:13 Jergul: That's not what "a much harder lever to use in practice" meant. Cf. "Europe: drop support for Ukraine or we might think about bombing your factories"
Seb rank	Fri Jun 19 12:54:54 Whereas "oh dear, for administrative reasons there seems to be a very long delay on tankers moving through the straits carrying oil from UAE, what a pity" is a very flexible general purpose tool if political coercion across a wide range of issues.
jergul rank	Fri Jun 19 13:24:19 Seb cf. blame UAE for blowing up its own pipeline.
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