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Sam Adams rank	Sun Aug 09 02:46:31 For neutering your economies. You really saved us all from that evil gwobal warming. https://pb...XUAEFJ1o?format=png&name=small Lmao
Paramount rank	Sun Aug 09 08:34:02 That graph actually shows that Europe is on the right path, that Europe is in the lead, in the struggle to save the planet, humanity, and our pets. Thanks :)
Paramount rank	Sun Aug 09 08:40:58 But it all depends on what we want to do. Maybe we shouldn't save the planet and our lives, maybe it's better to continue as before.
jergul rank	Sun Aug 09 09:12:38 Electricity is superior to combustion (defined here as exothermic chemical reactions involving carbon and oxygen) energy. Everyone knows that. Also, https://en..._energy_consumption_per_capita https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-co-emissions Do you want to see the consumption based CO2 emissions (if you buy a smartphone from China, you get the CO2 cost of its production and transport) by country too? Rofl.
Sam Adams rank	Sun Aug 09 11:16:00 If only those charts were the result of increasing nuclear power, rather than decreasing industrialization, you might have a point. "Electricity is superior to combustion" That depends on the application. In a car? Usually yes. In a jet? Definitely not.
Sam Adams rank	Sun Aug 09 11:17:07 Anyway, all the work you have done to hobble your lifestyles(you guys struggle with cars and AC)... China has wasted your entire effort every 4 months.
jergul rank	Sun Aug 09 11:28:17 Wrong. Dummy does not know new nuclear is ludicrously expensive. Wrong 2. Dummy is conflating storage with engine efficiency. And forgetting stuff. Dementia would certainly explain dummy's downward trend. Like how spaceX uses electricity in space because if pwns thermo-chemical reactions.
jergul rank	Sun Aug 09 11:31:13 He obviously does not understand climate change agreements. Yes, the factory of the world CO2 emissions are increasing as they make stuff for us. It is also the country contributing by far to global green energy of all types. It can even scale nuclear sufficiently to mass produce nuclear power plants at competitive electricity prices.
williamthebastard rank	Sun Aug 09 11:33:53 You can correct someone who is unintentionally wrong. You can never correct someone who is intentionally lying. Its like trying to debate with a murderer who will lie about anything to avoid the chair and thinking you might get a serious debate out of him.
jergul rank	Sun Aug 09 11:36:57 https://ww...ce-in-selected-regions-h1-2025
jergul rank	Sun Aug 09 11:38:19 Lol, the US was the only area that decreased nuclear power last year. Pwned!
jergul rank	Sun Aug 09 11:39:50 Dummy is just a sociopath. At least his internet persona is. Its not so much lying as the truth not mattering at all. See his role model in the wh for details.
Sam Adams rank	Sun Aug 09 12:01:42 "Like how spaceX uses electricity in space because if pwns thermo-chemical reactions.” Don't ask about how they got out of the atmosphere and up to orbital velocity. Lol. Don't get me wrong the electrical thruster is obviously superior for unmanned burns at orbital V and above but you need the massive thrust of a chemical motor to get there. Anyway I just find it hilarious that you weenies have been bitching and moaning about global warming forever and all the decarbonizing work your continent has ever done is replaced by China every 4 months.
jergul rank	Sun Aug 09 12:13:09 Dummy, carbon emissions is not a white privilege. That was agreed on at Kyoto and Paris. China is still nowhere near the US or EU accumulated emission levels, not even accounting for per capita. It has tons of margin still and is on track to meeting its international commitments. Its emissions peaked in early 2024, so you are factually wrong again as always. "The latest analysis shows China’s CO2 emissions have now been flat or falling for 21 months, starting in March 2024. This trend continued in the final quarter of 2025, when emissions fell by 1% year-on-year. The picture continues to be finely balanced, with emissions falling in all major sectors – including transport, power, cement and metals – but rising in the chemicals industry. This combination of factors means that emissions continue to plateau at levels slightly below the peak reached in early 2024, as shown in the figure below."
jergul rank	Sun Aug 09 12:18:34 https://en...:2016-_China_CO2_emissions.svg
Sam Adams rank	Sun Aug 09 12:25:06 Yes, like I said, all the work you have ever done to "fight global warming" is outdone by China every 4 months.
Average Ameriacn rank	Sun Aug 09 13:14:16 Climate change is a hoax! MAGA! Deal with it! https://ww...op-amazon-is-behind-one-of-the Aug 07, 2026 Amazon is backing what could be the largest natural gas power plant ever built in the United States. The company confirmed to Cleanview that it has acquired a site in Pecos County, Texas, where it plans to build an AI data center campus powered by on-site natural gas generation. Permits for the gas plant reveal that it would use 35 turbines to generate 7.65 gigawatts of power. It would be entirely disconnected from the Texas electricity grid — at least initially. In January, GW Ranch received a permit from the state of Texas allowing the gas power plant to emit 33 million tons of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. If the project emitted that much CO2, it would be the largest single source of pollution in the United States—emitting more greenhouse gases than the country’s largest coal plant. It’s worth noting that companies rarely emit as much as their permits allow.
jergul rank	Sun Aug 09 13:14:41 Dummy, lern2reed. China's emissions have plateued and will fall towards net zero moving towards 2060. Carbon emissions are not a white privilege. We should be grateful china is weaning off the carbon teat way before it reached our emission amounts (in sum and per capita).
Sam Adams rank	Sun Aug 09 22:40:01 "Permits for the gas plant reveal that it would use 35 turbines to generate 7.65 gigawatts of power." AHAHAHAHA. Ai is even more retarded than jergul. This same company bought the naming rights to a Seattle stadium and named it "climate pledge arena"
jergul rank	Sun Aug 09 23:03:48 Dummy, Amazon is one of the few companies that has a realistic plan for making money off AI. "Amazon Web Services (AWS) generated $42.2 billion in net sales for the second quarter of 2026, marking a 37% year-over-year increase with an operating margin of 38.1%. The cloud unit remains a primary profit engine for Amazon" You are such an ignoramus. It also has a net-zero plan by 2040. Which it will meet because it has more money than God.
Seb rank	Sun Aug 09 23:06:53 NaMBLA: Would that be the nuclear plants shutting down because river water levels are too low and/or two hot on account of the climate change that isn't happening?
Sam Adams rank	Sun Aug 09 23:44:49 "The cloud unit remains a primary profit engine for Amazon" I said ai, not cloud. Learn to read duncemuffin. Lol. "river water levels are too low" Oh look it's a solar/wind weenie complaining about intermittency. That's funny. Also don't you guys have an ass load of proper coastline? All without any storm surge or tsunami risk? Yup. Build your plants there.
Sam Adams rank	Sun Aug 09 23:46:07 It's amazing how the simplest most obvious and easy solutions just sail right over the heads of these so called enlightened euros.
jergul rank	Sun Aug 09 23:56:38 Dummy, Cloud web services is Amazon's integrated AI platform. Your ignorance is stunning. New nuclear is not affordable in the West dummy. We have looked at the leveled costs before.
Sam Adams rank	Mon Aug 10 00:07:02 Everything you say is wrong. Retardedly wrong.
jergul rank	Mon Aug 10 00:08:58 Dummy, your ignorance is not a shield.
Sam Adams rank	Mon Aug 10 00:48:38 "your ignorance is not a shield" "Cloud means ai" Lmao
Seb rank	Mon Aug 10 07:39:48 NaMBLA: Intermittency Vs a large proportion of baseload going offline for months (nuclear power being famously responsive and easy to shut down and start up) as energy demand for cooling spikes? Also, maybe look at a map of Germany and France noting where the industry is. If you are going to be shunting power around that distance you might as well just build cheap renewables over a larger area to minimise intermittency.
Sam Adams rank	Mon Aug 10 08:35:04 "a large proportion of baseload going offline for months" Like solar in a high latitude maritime winter for example? Lol. And again, the tiniest shred of foresight would have had you build your cooling inlets on more permanent bodies of water. Again, like the gigantic ocean that's all over. Europe is tiny. The distances are so easy. Paris is 100 miles from the Atlantic coast. Frankfurt is 200 and the rest of western germanies industrial base even closer. There's not a single point in the entirety of your tiny nation that is more than 80 miles from saltwater. These are trivial distances. These are such small distances that you might intentionally build the thing further away, just in case you morons melt it down. Meanwhile the US has a 10gw line running from the mighty Columbia dams down to where all the people live in California... 800 miles. The Chinese have even more power but a bit less distance from three gorges to their coastal cities. Brazil runs at least 10gw from mighty itaipu to rio, something like 600 miles. Brazil completed that in 1984. If fucktastic brazil could attach the world's second mightiest dam, dwarfing any nuclear station, to a 600 mile away city using Brazilian 1984 tech, you should have been able to handle much smaller plants over much smaller distances long long ago. Why are you guys so far behind in the absolute basics? Who possibly looks at a euro precip map... Only 25 inches a year on average for the regions in question, and then builds their nuke plants on a river when the ocean is littlerally a tiny hop away? Seriously euros. How is such a colossally stupid mistake made.
Seb rank	Mon Aug 10 08:44:04 NaMBLA: Except it doesn't go off-line. You are somewhat out of date. You still get useful levels of energy on a cloudy day. "more permanent bodies of water" Lol. Yeah, the Rhine has dried up how many times in the last 2000 years? Cwimate chwange right?
Sam Adams rank	Mon Aug 10 08:44:20 At least you didn't build your nuclear plant on a tsunami coast and then put every single one of your backup generators at sea level when there's 6 littlerally bombproof megastructures sitting right there. Oh and you invented the word tsunami because it happens so often. Or you know, fail to build a containment building at all and then blow up a core. So I guess in the realm of nuclear stupidity you are only in 3rd place. Ok... Why is everyone so retarded when it comes to nuclear design? Is the US the only country with more than 5 functioning neurons? Maybe China?
Sam Adams rank	Mon Aug 10 08:46:59 "You still get useful levels of energy on a cloudy day." No you don't. Not maritime stratus. Not when the sun is 15 degrees above the horizon at noon. You'd hardly get any power even without the clouds. Seriously why do you comment on subjects when you are utterly and completely ignorant?
Seb rank	Mon Aug 10 08:48:11 "why ever would you build a nuclear power plant next to a large source of water that has never even looked close to dying up for a few millennium which also happens to be a major industrial transport facility.
Seb rank	Mon Aug 10 08:50:36 "Not when the sun is 15 degrees above the horizon at noon. " This is very surprising to my neighbours smart meter. You possibly fail to understand about highly pitched roof.
jergul rank	Mon Aug 10 09:04:44 Dummy, lern2reed. Some, not all, of your problems are because you just dont read properely. Anyone with the slightest bit of intelligence would realize new nuclear is too expensive. Newer solar panels have a 2ndary layers that catches light scatter. Almost any light gives some electricity. That is my tipping point for getting it. I can actually generate a little electricity from Northern Lights bouncing off the albedo effect of snow. Never mind the midnight sun and 24 hours of daylight. How cool is generating electricity from snow reflected aurora borealis? Roof change will have integrated panels on one side of the roof.
Sam Adams rank	Mon Aug 10 09:10:31 "that has never even looked close to dying up for a few millennium" Wrong. If you average only 25 inches of precip a year you reasonably dry up every 10 to 100 summers. This is climo 101. "You possibly fail to understand about highly pitched roof." Oh that's genius. Choose a spot where installation and cleaning are an expensive bitch in exchange for 4 hours of power on the 3 cloud free days per winter. Why doesn't everyone do that! Like I said. Utter ignorance.
Sam Adams rank	Mon Aug 10 09:15:46 "I can actually generate a little electricity from Northern Lights bouncing off the albedo effect of snow." Oh wow. This is irreparably stupid on a deeply retarded level. I can't even imagine being dumb enough to think this. I can't see how you are even the same species as me.
jergul rank	Mon Aug 10 09:26:50 Dummy, dont you get that you have zero authority? Nobody believes anything you say. So if you have a claim, you need to document it with actual sources. New waifers pick up light scatter. The new waifers are integrated in solar panels to up efficiency under normal conditions, but will generate electricity under adverse conditions. It is quite light here midwinter once snow hits the ground. Way darker in Washington State with your dreary perpetual rain and black asphalt. So, yah, you are totally wrong on all your points again dummy. Rofl.
jergul rank	Mon Aug 10 09:30:07 For the record. You have known something exactly once that I was unaware of. I checked it up, because, well, it was you opening your mouth and words coming out, so was almost certainly wrong. Turns out you were kind of correct, and I gave you full credit. Its not that I begrudge you being right, its just that you are almost always wrong.
Sam Adams rank	Mon Aug 10 09:42:06 The math works itself out. Take the hemispheric power of a very high end once in 10 year Aurora, about 400gw. Now spread that over the region in which it primarily shines, a ring about 1000km wide and 6000km long. The brightest Aurora you've ever seen shines at 1/10th of a watt per square meter. 10,000 times less than what your panels want. This is extremely basic math. But go ahead and install your panels. It might even be a good investment, based on actual sunlight. But the next time the northern lights are out and you are reading 0.0, remember that Sam is always right.
jergul rank	Mon Aug 10 10:07:16 Next question is if 0,1 watts is enough for the wafer (it is). 100M2 will give about 4 watts. Is that cool, or what? Actual usuable light hitting the panels is higher for other reasons and will absolutely be credited the Aurora. Why? Because its cool. Solar panels have made sense of a while. I dont get less sunlight than you do. It just stacks seasonally and I do have a better albedo effect (snow is on the ground until a month before solstice). They are just not worth the bother (low electricity prices, wood burning, and general energy efficiency measures are better first). The trigger is the cool factor that I mentioned. It does not matter that it is a very low value. I will be replacing barn and house roof in a couple years. So yah, I am doing that then.
jergul rank	Mon Aug 10 10:18:57 I incidentally already have a 10 m aluminium tripod mast just laying in the yard. There will be a wind turbine on that once I get around to pouring a foundation (not a slab, ground freezes to 1,7 m,so needs to be done properely). So many small projects. It is kind of fun.
jergul rank	Mon Aug 10 10:19:51 (mast came with the house. The dude that owned the house had ideas. I bought house from his niece).
Seb rank	Mon Aug 10 19:37:28 FYI, the official grid data for the UK shows solar drops to about 15% of its peak over Dec-Jan; but this is almost perfectly anti-correlated with the pattern of wind. They complement well in the UK. For domestic solar, because you tend to be over capacity in the first place, it's more like 20% of electricity usage - so as I said, still useful amounts of power for those two months of the year.
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