Utopia Talk / Politics / honorary palestinian of the day

Sam Adams rank	Wed Sep 02 07:38:36 Lindsay Clancy is such a Palestinian. She strangled a bunch of babies, proclaimed herself the victim, and got all the leftists cheering for her.
Forwyn rank	Wed Sep 02 20:58:12 Notice that there is zero debate over why a verdict has not been reached. Everyone on both sides seems to universally agree that the three men are in the guilty camp and at least some of the nine women are in the not guilty camp and neither will budge. Repeal the 19th, and bar them from certain civic service, too.
jergul rank	Wed Sep 02 22:19:41 Or just dissolve the Union and let the States make their own choices. Ending democracy in the US seems either a bit harsh, or a bit too lenient. Why should you two dummies have a vote, or anyone for that matter? May as well just repeal the sufferage entirely and let the electoral college choose directly with states choosing the electors any way they like.
Forwyn rank	Wed Sep 02 22:42:42 We had democratic representation before the 19th, and will have democratic representation after. But sure, if CA and NY want to continue their retarded trajectory, let them.
jergul rank	Wed Sep 02 22:59:34 Wrong dummy. It was called a Republic for a reason. You became a democracy in 1965 give or take.
Sam Adams rank	Thu Sep 03 00:12:25 https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/2095254434976510111?s=20 Ya, unlimited democracy doesn't work.
jergul rank	Thu Sep 03 02:43:22 Break down your country to the size the founding fathers intended at about 5 million per entity.
Rugian rank	Thu Sep 03 02:49:15 Ooh I missed this thread. Yeah women don't belong on juries. This should have been the most straightforward guilty verdict in history...but instead, the whole retarded "my body my choice" crowd has now extended their philosophy to legalizing abortions up to the 23rd trimester.
jergul rank	Thu Sep 03 03:24:24 https://ww...t_guilty_by_reason_of_insanity The trial was always about this. Maybe take mental health a bit more seriously? Why would you care if she goes to a psyc ward instead of prison anyway? =========== The problem here is not if the law is applicable, but that you don't like the law. Well, vote in your state elections and petition your state representative to remove the law. Clancy attempted to get the help she needed many times. That to me is a key factor.
Rugian rank	Thu Sep 03 04:27:13 "Why would you care if she goes to a psyc ward instead of prison anyway?" I'd prefer she not go to prison. She deserves the death penalty. Or are you actually defending someone who strangles her three little children to death, one by one? I'd just like to give you the opportunity to step back for a sec and consider the position you're in danger of taking.
Sam Adams rank	Thu Sep 03 05:47:15 She should be painlessly euthenized if she is that mentally ill. It's for her own good. Even if she could be made well, imagine coming to and realizing what she had done. She would have to kill herself at that point. So just get it over with. More importantly: There's no sane society where she would ever be trusted. Let a kid killer out from a left wing incompetent psychobabble institution? Imagine her moving next to you. As a sane father you'd have to shoot her on the spot.
jergul rank	Thu Sep 03 13:51:50 Ruggy The rule of law. If you have insanity clauses, then they provide a lawful defence. You seem to get that with stand your ground legislation when Japanese students get killed. The case boils down to if the defence can prove that the woman was incapacitated by mental illness to a degree that meets the legal threshold. It seems that enough jurors were convinced this is the case. Get rid of hung jury rules or professionalize the juries if you think being judge by peers is problematic. In the meantime, you have the system that you have.
jergul rank	Thu Sep 03 13:52:38 You are so emotional.
jergul rank	Thu Sep 03 13:59:20 Frankly, the procecution fucked up. It used its time proving she killed the children when that fact was uncontested. The reasoning no doubt to sway the jury by facts in the hopes that feeling would counter the insanity defence. A long shot? I dunno. 25% of insanity plea defences are successful statistically speaking (Insanity pleas are made in 1% of criminal trials overall). But the proof is in the pudding. It does not look like there will be a conviction.
jergul rank	Thu Sep 03 14:24:39 There is also the element that the prosecution overcharged. A manslaughter charge covers the fact that she did kill the children, but without the intent to do so in a legal sense. The judge instructed the jury to consider a manslaughter conviction. The problem of course is that it may be too late. Innocent by virtue of insanity also applies to manslaughter. So if jury members are convinced of that defence at this point, then it would be hard to backtrack to manslaughter.
Forwyn rank	Thu Sep 03 15:57:22 Every fact of her behavior is evidence against psychosis. Everyone understands this except retarded pink-wearing women.
jergul rank	Thu Sep 03 16:34:51 Supported by expert witness testimony. Postpartum psychosis is an actual thing.
jergul rank	Thu Sep 03 16:39:27 Still, you have issues with the peer jury system. I get it. People have literally gotten away with murder because of it. Majority of the jury deciding would be one way to fix it. Commonlaw does not really scale up to even state level very successfully. It was designed for much smaller and transparent social settings.
Forwyn rank	Thu Sep 03 16:40:11 "expert witness testimony" Cite it. Statistically unheard of at 8mo post-partum. Wouldn't take her meds. Voluntarily checked out of in-patient. No voices before or after the incident. Incident planning and dishonesty. Self-inflicted wounds were superficial. Asked for a lawyer when she woke up. Pled not guilty, and showed nervousness at trial. Should receive same treatment as Marie Ficackova.
Forwyn rank	Thu Sep 03 16:46:19 "peer jury system. I get it." A woman getting lenience because of female jurors is inherently a flaw, yes. This flaw exhibits in all groups except whites, specifically men. http://new...ace-influences-jury-decisions/ "When the racial nature of the crime was emphasized, white mock jurors were not influenced by the race of the defendant, while Blacks were likely to demonstrate same-race leniency. Sentencing recommendations showed a similar trend: white mock jurors were not influenced by the race of the defendant while Black mock jurors recommended longer sentences for white defendants. When the racial nature of the crime was not emphasized, white mock jurors gave Black defendants significantly higher guilt ratings, while Black mock jurors continued to judge Black defendants as less guilty than white defendants."
jergul rank	Thu Sep 03 19:10:08 Fowyn I personally find your system draconian for lower income brackets at least. Mock jurors is hardly robust, but again, jury of peers. You don't have to do it that way. Professionalize the jury system or get rid of hung juries. The travesties you keep on suggesting are gender or race based apartheid. They have nothing to do with democracy and the rule of law and everything to do with trying to maintain white male privilege. Feel under siege? Grow a pair.
jergul rank	Thu Sep 03 19:14:22 I get what you are saying btw. I thought it odd Rittenhouse was aquitted. That is the jury system for you.
Forwyn rank	Thu Sep 03 19:19:46 "travesties" "Tribalism is normal, grow a pair, don't suggest tribalism" "I thought it odd Rittenhouse was aquitted." Yes, I expect you know as much of the details of the case as you do about the Clancy "experts". That is to say, nothing. You are broadly bloviating over a headline or two that you've read.
murder rank	Thu Sep 03 21:13:44 The woman did crazy things. Organized or not, she is obviously insane. The question is should she be locked up in prison or locked up in a mental institution. The answer is that it shouldn't matter. Just lock her up. -
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