Utopia Talk / Politics / Ship full of F35 parts lost; in Hongkong

Jesse Malcolm Barack rank	Fri Sep 18 23:52:03 https://ww...sing-f-35-parts-lost-overseas/ Pentagon investigating missing F-35 spare parts lost overseas The Pentagon is investigating how sensitive technology in the F-35 fighter jet was diverted to Hong Kong and is currently unaccounted for, raising concerns that it could have made its way into the possession of the Chinese military. The shipment of parts was intended to go from Australia to the United States and included one of the jet’s canopies, which covers the cockpit and contains stealth technology, according to Politico. Instead, the parts for the Lockheed Martin-manufactured plane ended up in Hong Kong, and it’s unclear why or where those parts are now. The Pentagon’s F-35 Joint Program Office told the Washington Examiner it was “aware of a shipment issue of unserviceable F-35 Lightning II components,” and said the office is working with U.S. authorities and industry partners “to retrieve these components, investigate the incident, and place safeguards to avoid a future occurrence.” A House Armed Services Committee staffer confirmed to the Washington Examiner that the committee is “aware” of the incident. “We’ve received multiple briefings and are continuing to look into the incident,” the staffer said. The F-35A’s canopy involves an acrylic bubble with a thin layer of transparent radar-absorbent material that coats the exterior and helps keep the aircraft obscured from enemy radar. Over time, that layer can degrade, peel, and separate, requiring replacement to ensure fully mission-capable stealth. Approximately 20 countries have F-35 aircraft, including the U.S., Belgium, Canada, the Czech Republic, Denmark, Finland, Germany, Greece, Israel, Italy, Japan, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Romania, Singapore, South Korea, Switzerland, and the United Kingdom. China, for its part, has frequently sought inside information on secret Pentagon programs, including the F-35. “Possibly losing a canopy in shipment is concerning,” the director in the U.S. Government Accountability Office’s Defense Capabilities and Management team told the Washington Examiner. “Possibly losing a canopy in Hong Kong (and thus the [People’s Liberation Army]) is even more concerning.” BREAKING DOWN THE MILITARY’S NEARLY $40 BILLION IRAN WAR “A canopy eventually ending up in an engineering lab in China is a much bigger problem,” she said, not confirming that this occurred but speculating on the possibility. “But if it did, it’s not good. The canopy has a lot of sensitive technology. If the Chinese nabbed one, they probably celebrated and then got busy learning as much as they could to reverse engineer components and figure out how to overcome components.” A 2023 GAO report found that over a five-year period, one F-35 prime contractor lost more than 1 million spare parts that cost more than $85 million. It noted that the Pentagon is expected to spend $1.7 trillion over the F-35 Lightning II aircraft’s program life cycle.
jergul rank	Fri Sep 18 23:56:12 The aircraft entered service more than a decade ago. The cat is out of the bag a long time ago.
murder rank	Sat Sep 19 03:42:11 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! :o) -
Sam Adams rank	Sat Sep 19 04:45:20 That's some norwegian level IQ.
Seb rank	Sat Sep 19 08:54:51 Jergul: An adversary can still likely do useful things with that like get better radar signatures etc. even if there's not much left to learn on things like radar coating or aerodynamics.
jergul rank	Sat Sep 19 09:12:11 Seb The problem with stealth is production techniques. Computer modelling is trivial at this point. Most of that was done on windows-98 OS driven PCs. Autocad was horrible back then :D. Dummy, stop believing in magick, though of course it helps you explain the many things you do not understand.
jergul rank	Sat Sep 19 09:14:10 So, well, useful to have a box of junk full of discarded f-35 parts to the extent they provide hints on how to produce efficiently. Which is a pretty big assumption given the ticket price of the aircraft. Assuming the parts were ever produced efficiently that is.
Sam Adams rank	Sat Sep 19 11:07:43 "An adversary can still likely do useful things with that like get better radar signatures etc" Already happened when you retards managed to lose one in Podunk India for a month https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy8gj2nlnywo Lol
jergul rank	Sat Sep 19 12:38:44 Dummy, it already happened years ago. The challenge is mass production when cost is a consideration. You have not figured that out, neither has China or Russia, so they sacrifice some stealth for ease of production and flight readiness reasons. Not everyone wants to be 250 dollars for a bolt, or have a fleet readiness in the low 10s%
Seb rank	Sat Sep 19 13:27:06 Jergul: I doubt it's reverse engineering (perhaps coatings - modern stuff involves doing stuff with structuring thin layers of substances precisely engineered refractive indexes etc). It's em signatures etc. Like how in the cold war they were constantly trying to find out about the shape of sub props not to copy them but to figure out acoustics.
Seb rank	Sat Sep 19 13:29:04 NaMBLA: Turned out to be a software error which is on you guys. If you guys actually allowed access to source code and IP transfer we wouldn't need to leave things in India for weeks for a US contractor to get their arse in gear to fly out and apply a fucking patch.
TheChildren rank	Sat Sep 19 14:43:11 lol dem flyin lemons is neva da gamechanga even iran took out several alrdy
jergul rank	Sat Sep 19 14:58:29 Seb If we really want to get into the nuts and bolts, then certainly, some companies in hong kong or the mainland may have uses for discarded F-35 parts, for whatever product development reasons you can imagine. China is not a monolith industrial beast.
Sam Adams rank	Sat Sep 19 18:11:27 Weird how it happened to a brit plane and not a much more numerous us plane. What are the odds.
Seb rank	Sat Sep 19 18:43:55 NaMBLA: Lol. Do you seriously believe there haven't been software issues with US operated f-35s? There's even a list on Wikipedia.
Sam Adams rank	Sat Sep 19 21:31:00 Yet only one country was retarded enough to get one stuck in India. Lol
Seb rank	Sun Sep 20 01:05:02 As opposed to just having it crash? Seems to speak to superior airmanship.
Sam Adams rank	Sun Sep 20 01:26:35 Probably better to put it at the bottom of the ocean rather than just let it sit out in india for that long.
Seb rank	Sun Sep 20 02:34:38 I'd that's really the case then maybe Lockheed Martin aka "Ronald McDonald Douglas" should get their fucking arse in gear and fly someone out to fix their defective software immediately rather than scratching their arse for god knows how many days. But as US contractors are lazy fat fuckwits who clearly can't code and can't organise a flight at short notice, it's a good job we aren't working with you on the next fighter.
Seb rank	Sun Sep 20 02:39:05 Wasn't there another thing a few months back along the lines of "parasite kills host" where your ships were getting fucked up by contractors not being available to fix shit and the military not being able to due to corporate IP? Milo Minderbinder was a work of satire, not a fucking role model.
Seb rank	Sun Sep 20 02:44:02 Something something capitalism seeds of own destruction something... Basically you can't even trust the Americans to understand when exploitation is a team sport. They just fuck their own empire up in an orgy of incompetent one-upmanship. Too stupid. Too lazy. Too shortsighted. The British empire collapsed due to inability to sustain competition against three rivals. The US was literally gifted another century with events of the last five years without needing to do really anything and still managed to fuck it up and hand global leadership over to China without them having to do a damned thing. And NaMBLA thinks he's from a superior culture.
Sam Adams rank	Sun Sep 20 09:01:41 ^gets plane stuck in India, blames US. Lol. How come every other country with f35s isn't having this problem? Israel and the US are walking all over Iran with f35s whenever we want and you cant even pull off a non-combatant ferry flight.
TheChildren rank	Sun Sep 20 09:13:06 coronaz is come ford derrick son
jergul rank	Sun Sep 20 11:47:42 Dummy, you are not walking all over Iran. F-35s don't have the endurance as Iran immediately rendered bases nearby inoperable and chased the CVs out to the Indian Ocean. So you burned through your missile stock instead and are now looking like vast idiots as Oman and Iran determine the future of Hormuz trade.
Seb rank	Sun Sep 20 11:50:27 "How come every other country with f35s isn't having this problem?" What, like the south Korean f-35 that belly landed because all systems except flight control and the engine failed?
Seb rank	Sun Sep 20 11:55:02 "Israel and the US are walking all over Iran with f35s whenever we want" There's also a long list of US F-35 failures too. Israel is one of the only countries that has the rights to modify the software and they've used it extensively.
jergul rank	Sun Sep 20 16:35:21 F-35s stranded on Azores...again. Rolf. Google if you like.
Seb rank	Sun Sep 20 18:48:19 Hilarious timing.
Sam Adams rank	Sun Sep 20 20:36:35 The first article when you Google f35s azores: "Two brand new British F-35s have been stranded in the Azores for over two months The prolonged stranding of two newly delivered British F-35Bs in the Azores comes amid mounting scrutiny of UK Lightning fleet readiness, spare parts shortages and delayed future procurement decisions" Lmao! utter incompetence Meanwhile US and Israeli f35s are so dominant and jerguls air defenses are so shitty that we have big fat refuelers all over Iran and jergul cries about it. The difference in ability is staggering. What's hilarious is how personally butthurt jergul gets over the complete failure of Soviet bloc air defense.
Seb rank	Sun Sep 20 22:06:16 The first thing that comes for me is a US flight ferrying F-35s for delivery to Finland. "Newly delivered" - we don't actually have a base in the Azores. The US does. Looks like it is the same issue. Breakdowns when flying them to hand over. The US can't even deliver the planes to their customers because they keep breaking down.
Seb rank	Sun Sep 20 22:08:25 If there's a shortage of spares at Las Tejas, a US logistics base, used by the US to facilitate delivery of newly built planes to European customers, whose fault is that?
jergul rank	Sun Sep 20 22:53:00 Dummy, proof is in the pudding. The ME is being reformed to the benefit of muslims. Rofl.
jergul rank	Sun Sep 20 22:53:44 The aircraft have not been delivered if they are stuck on the Azores.
Sam Adams rank	Sun Sep 20 23:36:19 Aircraft are delivered to the customer at the factory. The customer flies them home. Lol retards.
jergul rank	Mon Sep 21 04:57:19 Dummy admitting that F-35s break down within a few hours of leaving the factory. Totally the fault of the US, its crappy aircraft, its crappy aircraft producers, and its crappy quality control. No wonder the F-35 have such a horrible readiness rating. 25%. Can you imagine? Rofl. What pieces of crap.
Sam Adams rank	Mon Sep 21 06:36:12 "F-35s break down within a few hours of leaving the factory" Well ya. Give a monkey a jet and you get a broken jet. Lol. Sebs gonna seb.
jergul rank	Mon Sep 21 06:43:13 The F-35s break down all the time dummy in denial. 25% readiness is attrocious. The only evidence of idiocy is buying the aircraft in the first place.
Seb rank	Mon Sep 21 07:38:57 https://mi...vaniemi-lapland-air-wing-2026/ NaMBLA: Flown by US pilots to and from las Tejas though. Denial.
Sam Adams rank	Mon Sep 21 17:14:41 That's not how any jet delivery I've ever seen works. Maybe special considerations are taken for third world nations that don't have competent pilots or working logistics, like the UK.
jergul rank	Mon Sep 21 17:32:46 Dummy, now you are saying that US pilot training sucks and that US pilots suck. The data proves the F-35 has ludicrous reliability issues, yet you keep on piling onto what else also must suck too to avoid admitting to facts. You are such a dummy.
Sam Adams rank	Mon Sep 21 17:35:20 Hush jergul. No one cares about your Soviet mod talking points.
jergul rank	Mon Sep 21 17:37:25 Ah, dummy lashing out. How cute. Rofl. Recked. GG. What a loser.
Forwyn rank	Mon Sep 21 18:07:03 "las Tejas" lol
Seb rank	Mon Sep 21 18:33:32 "I've ever seen" You've been witness to military jet handovers have you, NaMBLA?
Seb rank	Mon Sep 21 18:40:01 According to Gemini F-35 delivery is normally accepted at the buying countries base: Transatlantic delivery/ferry flights for international F-35 customers from the Lockheed Martin plant in Fort Worth, Texas, are typically flown by US military pilots (such as US Air Force or contractor/manufacturer test pilots) rather than the destination country's active service pilots, because the aircraft legally remain the property of the manufacturer (Lockheed Martin) and the US government until formally handed over after final delivery.
Seb rank	Mon Sep 21 18:41:05 Forwyn: Fair point. Lajes. Not sure what happened there.
Seb rank	Mon Sep 21 18:43:19 But as you say, Israel's seem fine, so definitely a problem with US coding.
Sam Adams rank	Mon Sep 21 18:57:46 I have seen many jets, of all sorts, be delivered. unlike you, my country still makes things and I have a cool job. My favorite jet delivery is, dare I say it, Airbus. That's civilian side and maybe I'm just biased towards French wine, but I do have to give credit where credit is due. It's the one euro company that makes good shit... Helped no doubt by the ever decreasing percentage of British parts.
Seb rank	Mon Sep 21 21:19:57 "I have seen many jets, of all sorts, be delivered" That wasn't the question. "Helped no doubt by the ever decreasing percentage of British parts." In your imagination. UK workshare is still about 20% and all Airbus wings are British. They just made a huge investment in the old A380 site to shift to other models wings. And that's not including the RR engines. NaMBLA, you really are a bit of a fantasist
jergul rank	Mon Sep 21 21:49:20 Why does it not surprise me that dummy dumb dumb is a train and plane watcher like any other autist and believes this makes him an authority. Dummy is very dumb. Rofl. Reked!
Sam Adams rank	Mon Sep 21 21:59:57 "UK workshare is still about 20% and all Airbus wings are British." Wrong. 350 composite wings are majority non British. "RR engines." Ah yes the shittiest or second shittiest(pratt also sucks) of the 4 engine makers. In terms of economic value per Airbus, the most important countries are the US and france. Yes, the US. US has majority stake in the engines and pretty much all the avionics, which are the most important parts. I think France edges out the US overall but a significant chunk of airbuses(pratt 320s especially mobile fa ones) have more US part value than any other countrt. Third is Germany. In distant forth is the UK. That's prime contractors only. If you look into things even more carefully things get a little more complex and I don't care to commit that to memory, but the uks % almost certainly drops further. It's not like you are smelting and mining your own aluminum, as stupid and politically backward as you are.
Seb rank	Tue Sep 22 00:08:09 Nope NaMBLA. They are designed and tested in Bristol, assembled in Wales. Some components are made in Spain.
Sam Adams rank	Tue Sep 22 02:38:01 Nothing important is ever designed in Britain these days. Its probably done in Toulouse like everything else. The smartest Brits I know all moved their for their Airbus jobs.
Sam Adams rank	Tue Sep 22 02:39:01 Shit you are making me say something good about France. Lol how the mighty have fallen.
jergul rank	Tue Sep 22 07:16:43 Dummy deflecting from the utter failure that is the F-35.
Seb rank	Tue Sep 22 08:10:11 This would be like how you know from experience f-35 ferry flights are done by recieving countries pilots.
Seb rank	Tue Sep 22 08:10:50 And jergul is right. You are just deflecting.
jergul rank	Tue Sep 22 09:20:54 Dummy, the fleet has 24% readiness overall. These means they will regularly break down while being ferried. Since fixing them is proprietary, it takes forever for the manufacturer to do the job. Something is obviously wrong with the warranty contract that does not fine fast enough if at all. Your MIC in a nutshell. Getting global exposure because of how hard the US gov pushed to onboard other nations to share costs. The whole sad story makes the Maginot Line seem like a prudent and smart investment.
jergul rank	Tue Sep 22 09:24:33 And always the deflection. Seb, how many aircraft did your carrier deploy with and why did dummy that incredibly low number meant there was something wrong with the Royal Navy instead of with the F-35s that should have been on board?
Seb rank	Tue Sep 22 11:17:25 Securing F-35 licensing changes to enable sovereign software should be a negotiating point for European and other US allies. A condition for any further defence purchases and any continued use of European bases at some point down the line; or global efforts to prop up the dollar if current trends continue.
jergul rank	Tue Sep 22 11:37:03 Sunk cost fallacy. Just retire them and get something new. Military aircraft with off-buttons in foreign hands is worse than useless. It is dangerous. I have no idea why SA wants them. Israel will want the off button to maintain the regional balance of power.
jergul rank	Tue Sep 22 11:38:11 Speaking of. Euro f-35s are closer to Israel than SA is. You seriously think that country cant turn off our fighters if it wants to too? It has all the code after all.
Seb rank	Wed Sep 23 08:45:01 Jergul: That's not an accurate description of the issue. There isn't an "off switch", rather the dependency is on mission files which are generated in the US. You can still fly combat missions without this but with deteriorating capability of the electronic warfare and radar systems ability to detect threats because their profiles aren't being updated. Israel is totally out of the loop: they alone have permission for their own infrastructure. Seeking the same situation isn't "sunk cost" fallacy - a brand new plane would be incredibly expensive. Switching F-35 to integrate to European combat cloud for GCAP / whatever comes out of what was FCAS is a no brainer. Particularly if the issues affecting readiness can be addressed - which seem to be more a control systems issue but not much incentive on Lockheed to address when they can bill for sending out their guys to fix.
Seb rank	Wed Sep 23 10:27:19 It would be an example of sunk cost fallacy is the cost to remediate exceeded the cost of developing an equivalent fighter/bomber. But most of the additional capability needed (replacement for link-16 and other elements of network centric warfare and sensor fusion) are already in development for "whatever FCAS is", whatever SaaB and Dassault are up to, and the GCAP program, and various "loyal wingman" projects. If Germany/Airbus wants to get into the fighter game post FCAS, setting itself up as a hub for Sovereign European F-35 with no Lockheed/US dependency would be a good move.
jergul rank	Wed Sep 23 11:04:31 Seb 24% readiness. Your navy chose to sail without F-35s because, well, they dont work. Funny how we are sure Huawei is very, very bad despite having full code access and that the US MIC is very very good despite having black box code access. Seems a bit naive to me. IF SA gets F-35 without election changing resistance from Israel, THEN there is an off-switch. Sunk cost fallacy. F-35 is not even suited to task. Trainer/light fighters. Cheap, ease of use, affordable to operate, affordable to use, affordable to have a full industrial stream for. Conventional two-seat fighters. AWAC capable. Missile carriers. Some stealth, not too much for cost and ease of production reasons. Not really needed. Those are what are needed. Not the F-35. It was designed for a different era if we want to be charitable.
jergul rank	Wed Sep 23 11:08:02 The loyal wingman concept has been replaced by drone meshes in practice. The human pilots involved can be in their home offices if you wanted that.
jergul rank	Wed Sep 23 11:09:46 Also. Eurostarlink. Its not actually that hard to get a functioning network up and running. Russia has 2 hour coverage over most of Ukraine right now (well maybe not right now, but in any 24 hour cycle).
Seb rank	Wed Sep 23 13:25:36 Jergul: "F-35 is not even suited to task." Very debatable. As you've pointed out, conventional fighters have a much higher risk to air defence. F-35 has a track record in successful suppression of air defence. Whether Loyal wingman is discredited operational scheme is kinda irrelevant. That or done swarms rely on sensor fusion, robust connectivity etc. We are building that capability, and it's dependence on that capability which is the "off switch" you refer to. We have F35s - what we need is to cut the fetters and be able to fix and maintain and integrate them on a sovereign basis.
Sam Adams rank	Wed Sep 23 13:27:54 "24% readiness." Soviet bot make up number. Autistic bot scream number on repeat. Like monkey.
jergul rank	Wed Sep 23 13:42:10 Seb Where does the F-35 have a successful track record of suppressing air defences? Stand-off munitions do that. Aircraft these days are missile boats. Under good conditions such as in Ukraine where air defences have run out of missiles, aircraft are glidebomb boats. F-35 internal payload (the only thing it can use and keep stealth) is ludicrously ill-suited the missile or glide bomb boat role. It has negligible bang for buck. What you actually need is robust ground based air defences and affordable fixed wing drone interceptors. In addition to eurostarlink of course for that nice "robust connectivity". 6th generation fighters have a role. As affordable AWACs. The F-35 again poorly suited as radar use is not compatible with stealth. The platform should also be a two-seater. But if you think the F-35 is so incredibly fit for purpose, then transfer some to Ukraine. A laughable thought, right? How could they possibly use it? Dummy shit for brains. Just google it. Readiness is published by your government. 24% Rofl. Pwnd!
jergul rank	Wed Sep 23 13:44:19 Dummy, I will find a source for you if you in turn are willing to admit that 24% readiness proves the F-35 is a shit aircraft and that breakdowns are totally the fault of the US. Otherwise, what is the point of sourcing it?
Seb rank	Wed Sep 23 16:01:32 Jergul: If Ukraine had F-35s with meteors they wouldn't have a glide bomb problem.
jergul rank	Wed Sep 23 16:20:43 So sad that you are choosing to lose the war for them then. Imagine. You could turn it all around by just giving Ukraine the V-waffen it needs.
Sam Adams rank	Wed Sep 23 16:51:16 https://x.com/Osinttechnical/status/2102760555698442430?s=20 How timely lol. At least your ejection seats still work. That's the one thing you should really focus on since you can't do anything else right.
Sam Adams rank	Wed Sep 23 16:54:13 jergul rank Wed Sep 23 13:44:19 Dummy, I will find a source Lmfao.
jergul rank	Wed Sep 23 16:55:03 Is that the F-16 that crashed today? Rofl. Recked!
jergul rank	Wed Sep 23 16:57:01 Dummy, lern2google. I have no need to prove something that is in the common domain. It has no value to you anyway as you would just trivialize or ignore it. 24% readiness. Rofl. What pieces of shit. Pwnd!
jergul rank	Wed Sep 23 17:06:12 Rofl. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYX-4NbBK44
Sam Adams rank	Wed Sep 23 17:40:35 https://x.com/Aliathewhite/status/2102615698199708042?s=20 Jergul trying to find a source on a computer.
jergul rank	Wed Sep 23 17:43:29 Dummy doing his dumbshit distraction from the shit 24% readiness planes and parts lost again. Pathetic. What a loser. Rofl. Reked! According to the CBO, more than 1 million F-35 parts have been lost in sense of misplaced and no one knows where they are by 2023. Rofl. Your MIC is just horrible.
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