Utopia Talk / Politics / latest islam invasions of uk

Sam Adams rank	Sun Sep 27 15:32:46 1) the sebs gave citizenship to a fairly high ranking hamas member who immediately began to plot to murder UK Jews. 2) 5 terrorists were caught with explosives attempting to attack a RAF base. Now in a surprising display of less-than-total incompetence the sebs managed to stop both attacks, so we must give them some credit, but I ask you: wouldn't it be a lot easier and safer to just not import terrorists?
jergul rank	Sun Sep 27 16:09:19 Ah yes. The Children dummydumbdumb surrogate creates another thread.
Sam Adams rank	Sun Sep 27 18:24:44 Guess the Brits didn't actually do anything. Naturally, it was US Intel that figured it out.
Sam Adams rank	Mon Sep 28 05:18:44 Apparently the sebs are actually so incompetent that despite the advanced warning from the US, they let many of the muslim migrants escape. The sebs almost botched it but got lucky when a random farmer found some muslims hiding in the woods.
Im better then you rank	Mon Sep 28 07:59:35 OMG this could've been a bigger massacre than Pats vs Jags.
Sam Adams rank	Mon Sep 28 08:13:49 Ooooohhhh low blow
Seb rank	Mon Sep 28 09:30:43 I love that NaMBLA is basing his assessments ofg of the rambling of Donald Trump, a man he frequently claims he didn't vote for on account of Trump being a moron.
Seb rank	Mon Sep 28 10:23:12 Farmer reports it at 1am, causing terrorists to scatter, within minutes massive armed police force descends and whole village evacuated. That's only possible if they were nearby on standby. Sounds like the police were already present at standoff distance and this was some kind of intelligence op that was disrupted when the farmer spooked the gang. It's possible they wanted to catch them at a very specific point both for safety and to better expose Iran. Not clear to what extent US involved but if we were aware the US would have been informed of a threat to their base.
murder rank	Mon Sep 28 13:08:29 "2) 5 terrorists were caught with explosives attempting to attack a RAF base." Combatants, not terrorists. That is a legitimate military target. -
Seb rank	Mon Sep 28 15:36:14 Murder: Perps arrested are British nationals though. So would be terrorists as seeking political change through acts of violence.
jergul rank	Mon Sep 28 15:53:10 Seb That is kind of a broad narrative. What if they were just trying to physically disrupt operations from the base and did not imagine their actions would result in political change. Ie the intent to coerce policy change through violence did not exist?
Sam Adams rank	Mon Sep 28 18:04:48 "That's only possible if they were nearby on standby." Ya cause we alerted you lol. "Combatants, not terrorists." Sure, compared with the typical muslim attack, this is better than a school or a concert. But more to the point, they are all sebs migrants. Importing terrorists/migrants/criminals/enemies.
Seb rank	Mon Sep 28 18:06:59 Forcing policy change by simply disrupting its operation with extreme violence is, I think, still covered by terrorism law. Terrorism is an appropriate basis for holding them and likely what they will be charged with, the prosecution and defence will make their cases and a jury will hear them out.
Sam Adams rank	Mon Sep 28 18:08:22 Anyway, the retarded baboons that live in the UK have released the muslims on bail.
Sam Adams rank	Mon Sep 28 18:16:38 That guy that slashed the empty migrant raft was ordered by a muslum judge to be held without bail. The 5 muslum terrorists who were scoping out a RAF based were ordered released by a muslum home secretary who was announcing, at the same time, more muslum migration to the UK. Lol. If the British man doesn't fight back, now, that country is even more fucked than we thought.
Seb rank	Mon Sep 28 19:32:31 A picture emerges here. Both Iran and Russia have an MO of hiring dupes to do basic lamplighter stuff for cash. These guys were British nationals from London. They probably thought they were doing some shady county lines drug stuff (don't ask, don't tell). No other reason they'd be released on bail. That would explain why the police and intelligence services were letting them drive vans of explosives around rather than intervening earlier: UK intelligence was likely aware of that part of the plot, but wanted to try and trace them to a rendezvous with the main perpetrators. The farmer unwittingly buggered things up by blundering across them in the middle of the night, triggering the armed police to move at an earlier point than expected. They'll probably be tried as accessories.
Sam Adams rank	Mon Sep 28 19:39:52 ”No other reason they'd be released on bail.” Other than your staggering incompetence you mean?
Seb rank	Mon Sep 28 19:52:56 NaMBLA: stop projecting. There's no evidence of incompetence like the kind the US is well known for. Remind me, which country is known for letting a bunch of terrorists you'd actually been informed about by Europeans fly planes into buildings killing thousands?
Sam Adams rank	Mon Sep 28 20:24:32 "you'd actually been informed about by Europeans" Nothing but retarded baboon lies.
jergul rank	Mon Sep 28 22:38:06 Seb Oh, so not terrorism then. Dupes working for a foreign power trying to strike a legitimate target. Though...driving around with explosives security services know about is actually the hallmark of a sting operation. Security services setting up the whole thing including unusable explosives.
jergul rank	Mon Sep 28 22:38:43 You could try them for treason I suppose, but given that the UK is not actually a party to the conflict, it might be a stretch.
Seb rank	Mon Sep 28 23:34:52 https://ww...ligence-warned-of-sept-11-plot NaMBLA in denial again.
Sam Adams rank	Mon Sep 28 23:43:12 A French journalist says something and a baboon listens. Lol
Seb rank	Mon Sep 28 23:44:04 Jergul: Bit of a reach: not very obviously a sting either: If it was a sting, and the intelligence agents commissioned the actions, then the five guys would be the target of the sting and they'd immediately charge them straight away when they picked up the "explosives". Can't really see how it would be a sting aimed at anyone else. The fact they are remanded on bail indicates they aren't the target of the sting, so who else would be and how would that work? So either the whole thing is a storm in a tea cup and there was no explosives at all and they just have incredibly heightened armed police operating near the base that pounced on a call from a farmer who interrupted some suspicious (possibly criminal) activity like organised crime fly tipping or drug trafficking; or it's because the five guys arrested are not particularly dangerous themselves and are unwitting dupes now cooperating.
Seb rank	Mon Sep 28 23:44:04 Jergul: Bit of a reach: not very obviously a sting either: If it was a sting, and the intelligence agents commissioned the actions, then the five guys would be the target of the sting and they'd immediately charge them straight away when they picked up the "explosives". Can't really see how it would be a sting aimed at anyone else. The fact they are remanded on bail indicates they aren't the target of the sting, so who else would be and how would that work? So either the whole thing is a storm in a tea cup and there was no explosives at all and they just have incredibly heightened armed police operating near the base that pounced on a call from a farmer who interrupted some suspicious (possibly criminal) activity like organised crime fly tipping or drug trafficking; or it's because the five guys arrested are not particularly dangerous themselves and are unwitting dupes now cooperating.
Seb rank	Mon Sep 28 23:46:00 NaMBLA: https://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report.pdf Do you really not remember this? Are you ok NaMBLA? You seem to be particularly dysfunctional lately. Maybe take a break from the internet and get some rest.
Sam Adams rank	Tue Sep 29 00:04:13 Having the memory of a human, rather than a baboon, I obviously remember. There was no coherent warning, especially not from you baboons. Oh, a frenchman said muslums were trying to hijack an airliner? Oh? What else is fucking new? Muslums are trying to hijack and blow up airliners every single day of every single year ever. So fucking useful. "I warned Titanic that there were icebergs in the ocean" -baboon, 1912
jergul rank	Tue Sep 29 01:00:26 Seb A US case was only terminated after the dupe had planted the inert explosives. It is plausible that a farmer disrupted something and the police were forced to act prematurely. What then to charge them with? Inert explosives they had not even put to any use? No wonder they are out on bail. It smells like a botched operation to me.
Seb rank	Tue Sep 29 01:08:32 The US governments own report highlighted the intelligence failures to join the dots. Germany warned you about the pilots. France warned you of a hijack plot. Tip offs warned you that the guy Germany warned you about was taking lessons without landing. It was preventable and you failed to figure out.
Seb rank	Tue Sep 29 01:13:03 Jergul: As soon as they pick up what they believe to be an explosive device they are guilty of a host of offences. You don't need them to plant it. We've done *that* before. There's several things it could be, this one seems contrived.
jergul rank	Tue Sep 29 01:25:12 We will see.
jergul rank	Tue Sep 29 01:26:17 It has elements of a sting operation in any event.
Sam Adams rank	Tue Sep 29 01:34:30 "It was preventable and you failed to figure out." Sebs scream racism at anyone who arrests a muslum Seb: why didn't you arrest those muslums? Baboon level IQ kills 3000 Americans. If there are any non muslums to blame, it's you.
Seb rank	Tue Sep 29 10:31:06 Jergul: Right now, I'm leaning towards this being a diesel theft / tax dodge (low taxed agricultural red diesel being syphoned off for domestic/commercial use in London). Rural area. Barrels of "incendiary material". Vans marked up as a fake fuel company. Clandestine activities at night. Released on bail. Statements that it "wasn't an intelligence led operation" (I assumed this was simply a lie). I guess they really do have high alert armed police at the base all hours. Though this might be a heightened state of readiness.
Seb rank	Tue Sep 29 11:43:07 NaMBLA: Yes, your intelligence agencies are well known for not arresting Muslims. That must be why you didn't do it. Not because you are bone achingly incompetent.
jergul rank	Tue Sep 29 14:25:10 Red solar theft. Yah, that would work. Diesel as incendinary? Wow. Technically I suppose. Any other derivative would be better. That is a theory I can buy. Relatively innocent smuggling rebranded as a suspected terrorist act until that became too unreasonable for words. Then bail.
Seb rank	Tue Sep 29 16:38:12 Jergul: What would a car bomb off the type used by the Oklahoma bomb look like? A bunch of barrels smelling of diesel in the back of a lorry (the good old diesel fertiliser combo). What did the police find? A bunch of barrels smelling of diesel in here back of a lorry. On the approach to a US airbase. Consider the context: Iran has recently said US bases in Europe are targets. I think they specifically mentioned fairford. You have the Palestine Action incursion onto an RAF base last year. You also have several incidents were Iran (and Russia) have recruited and mobilised unwitting and knowing assets to do their dirty work. I suspect if it is actually red diesel bootlegging, they are still trying to figure out if it's not the latter case. Because if you were a foreign intelligence agency orchestrating a car bomb attack on a US base (or just trying to create a bomb scare) using pawns you'd absolutely convince them they were bootlegging red diesel or use bootlegged red diesel as a good source of material for your bomb.
Seb rank	Tue Sep 29 16:41:48 Also with ammonium nitrate fertiliser now quite carefully monitored and controlled for exactly this reason, if you were actually *making* a bomb you might case out and steal it very close to the attack because theft of that stuff is a major red flag. You are far far too quick to imply malfeasance by the police. Everything about a red diesel bootlegging in this place and time *also* looks like it could be a bomb attack too.
jergul rank	Tue Sep 29 17:14:02 Seb Is it red herring season? Assuming the worst case is not malfeasance, though certainly a career building move if the dots align somehow. As for implying malfeasance. See yourself and trying to link this to Iran. Would Iran target a US base targeting it if Iran could? Certainly. It has done so many times in the ME. Hosting belligerents has a potential price. Does Iran have the capability? Or does Occam's razor suggest a smuggling ring? You have motive, not means and opportunity in the first case and motive, means and opportunity in the second.
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