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Utopia Talk / Movie Talk / *Talk about random TV Shows* Part VIII
Cherub Cow
Member
Thu May 17 19:47:53
Life is ultimately meaningless! Watch TV to wash away the feelings of your own insignificance in the universe :D/
Cherub Cow
Member
Thu May 17 20:14:18
@"Lucifer" S3E23: "Quin8hetessential Decker"

*Really* good one. Lucifer finally admits his feelings to Chloe, and he tells her that he's legit the devil, and she's like, "Not to me" ♥:) .. of course, in the plot this means that she accepted his declaration as a metaphor, not as a statement of legit fact.. but this was more about him realizing that Chloe has chosen him from the beginning and she realizing that Lucifer is messed up but ultimately wants her.. so now it's okay for them to free themselves in a Walpurgis Night ;)

Charlotte Richards also had her final (probably) scene on the show, and even though it was maybe not a great sell for the show to say that she had reformed to a great enough extent to earn "Heaven", her scenes with Amenadiel and then with Dan were well done — heartbroken reactions. Amenadiel getting his wings back and flying away with Charlotte's soul-body was also interesting.. mostly because it leaves Lucifer and Amenadiel with more questions about their personal actions causing their situations versus some "divine plan" manipulating them. If Amenadiel is supposed to replace Lucifer as ruler of Hell, then it's not surprising that it was *Amenadiel* who realized that gaining or losing wings was about personal conscience — not outer judgment — because this goes with the Milton Satan's line that "The mind is its own place". It's a fun game that this story is playing: being quietly anti-religious while working within a universe where deities and superstitions have ground.

The new episode is also out, but I might not have time to watch until Caturday :'(
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Thu May 17 20:37:59
"Life is ultimately meaningless! Watch TV to wash away the feelings of your own insignificance in the universe :D/"


Infinite omnipotent hyperbeing lovingly screaming "YOU'RE VALID", its song echoed across every structural detail of the universe—you, an insignificant mote adrift in some galactic tide shouting back "YES, OKAY, WHAT ELSE?"

http://twitter.com/ctrlcreep/status/989238543875825670
Cherub Cow
Member
Sat May 19 21:00:27
Is that just a rando on Twitter? :p

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*[Quintessential] Decker

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@"Lucifer" S3E24: "A Devil of My Word"

Season finale! Very cool episode :D
Looks like Lucifer's choice to kill made him into a monster again, and Chloe [apparently] has seen the veil lifted. I'd expect that next season the writers would walk back this progress via Chloe rationalizing her experiences as some kind of trauma residuals, but the song lyrics as the episode end were "the beginning of the end" (song by Klergy and Valerie Broussard http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfXnoEFbVrU ), which makes it seem like the show is prepared to close the story next season rather than stretch things further for profit (and of course — more simply — in the main plot it makes sense that Chloe finally learning the truth would precipitate closure). Hopefully season 4 will start with her piecing together Lucifer's previous statements in light of the truth (kind of like Hank reevaluating Walt in Breaking Bad), and then through the season maybe she'll try to bring Lucifer down (because he's legit the devil) only to realize that Lucifer can choose (and has chosen) to be good. Could be more interesting than that, though, because the writing on this show has been great — maybe not shocking if they've been pulling from the already-written comics.. which I'll probably read after the show finishes..

Speculation aside: cool moments in this one! :D The wing effects have been well done. In particular, Lucifer's protective barrier and Lucifer walking back into the room with his wings outstretched and bloody.. awesome that a semi-popular TV show can do effects like this. Weirdly that barrier scene was less emotional than Maz and Linda's apology conversation. Their friendship drama had not been too interesting, but it finally came together with their apologies.

So.. no more Lucifer for a while :(
Cherub Cow
Member
Tue May 29 23:18:51
Fuck! Apparently Fox cancelled Lucifer on May 11th. :( .. Sadly accurate, I posted this on May 6th: "Lucifer has been funny since its return. It's definitely my new "Quick Draw" or "Don't Trust the B— in Apt 23", which means that it will probably be cancelled very soon ;D"

I only found out today because Hulu uploaded 2 new episodes, but they had zero continuity with season 3's ending so I had to look up why that was. Apparently they were "case of the week" episodes meant for season 3, but they were re-edited for season 4, then released yesterday because of the cancellation. A similar thing happened with "Apt 23": out-of-order episodes were released after the cancellation.

... arg... I was hoping that they could finish the show with a season 4. Apparently the writers left season 3 with that cliffhanger so that there would be social media outrage about the cancellation — which did happen to some degree... so it's at least *possible* that another network will pick up the show. Maybe it'll get the "Community" season 6 treatment where they'll get funding and have a chance to finish the continuity with one last season. I'm doubtful that that'll happen only because "Community" had a dedicated following with a large online presence while "Lucifer" peeps have been much less apparent (to me at least).

Bleh. Anyhow.. Lucifer, X-Files, SVU, and Designated Survivor have all finished for the season (or, "as above, so below": indefinitely, in Lucifer's case), so finally/reluctantly I may check out the new season of "Fear the Walking Dead". Amazon streams "The Expanse", so I may watch that too. And btw, "The Orville" turned out to be really good (it's kind of like having more TNG episodes but with extra joking). That won't return with a second season until December. /wrists
Cherub Cow
Member
Sat Jun 16 18:14:29
Yay! Lucifer was picked up by Netflix. Now the writers have to follow through with their season 3 finale decision :p
Cherub Cow
Member
Thu Jul 19 03:47:28
I've started watching old "Nathan for You" episodes, and 2013's S1E5 ("Haunted House / The Hunk") is a great combination of super uncomfortable and really hilarious moments XD
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Thu Jul 19 17:26:32
if you ever run out of shows to watch,try:

the almighty johnsons

The Almighty Johnsons is a new South Pacific Pictures comedy-drama series about four brothers, raised in heartland New Zealand, who also happen to be the living incarnations of Norse Gods. ...

Creators: James Griffin, Rachel Lang

Stars: Emmett Skilton, Timothy Balme, Dean O'Gorman
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utopia

After a group of people, who meet online, discover a bizarre graphic novel which seems to hold mysterious answers, they find themselves being tracked down by a merciless organization known merely as 'The Network'.

Creator: Dennis Kelly

Stars: Adeel Akhtar, Paul Higgins, Neil Maskell
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life

A former police officer returns to the force after having been wrongly imprisoned for years.

Creator: Rand Ravich

Stars: Damian Lewis, Sarah Shahi, Adam Arkin
Pillz
Member
Thu Jul 19 19:17:09
Kim's Convenience is a solid sitcom.

Their portrayal of Asian church is fairly spot on.
Cherub Cow
Member
Mon Jul 23 02:46:24
The Korean slurping was funny in the trailer :D

"The Almighty Johnsons" looks pretty seriously low-budget/low-direction .. things like hearing their foot steps on a quiet set while they're exchanging dialogue :D
(trailer of that: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd80D347iSI ).. but "Utopia" looks pretty cool ( trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJnN3WMwDsk ).. and "Life" seems low budget but interesting.. looks like it's why they poached Damian Lewis for "Homeland" (basically the same character).. which reminds me that I need to watch the new (2018) season of Homeland :p

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I'm up to S2E2 of "Nathan for You" (""Souvenir Shop / ELAIFF") — it got almost as awkward as "The Hunk" episode (where he creates a fake dating show) :D .. in this one he convinces a crowd of people that Johnny Depp is making a movie, and he very uncomfortably has an extra meet a fake Johnny Depp in his trailer. Have to wonder how often he breaks character and reveals the game.. they must edit around it a lot :)

Short TV shows have been attractive lately. Before "Nathan for You" and Eric Andre I watched "Mr. Pickles", which was an Adult Swim 10-minute episode cartoon about a Satanic dog who seems to act like a vigilante or a slasher film's killer. Lots of fun stuff in that show :D
Cherub Cow
Member
Wed Jul 25 14:11:04
"Nathan for You" update:
In S3E1 he tries to manipulate Best Buy's price match by getting an electronics store to set the price of a premium TV to $1 so that the store can have people go to Best Buy and buy TVs at $1, but Best Buy doesn't honor the price match so Nathan tries to start a class action law suit... but he needs a Best Buy insider/whistleblower, so he goes on a date with a Best Buy worker and tries to get her to admit that Best Buy doesn't honor the price match. The fun part: Nathan says he works at Hot Topic and that they don't always honor their price match policy (to coax her into talking about Best Buy), and she repeats the same thing about Best Buy... but! after the credits of the episode they show a clip of him mentioning that Hot Topic gets a 40% employee discount (absurd), and she says that Best Buy gets the same XD .... so she only made the price match and discount comments to be cool on the date :D
Cherub Cow
Member
Fri Aug 03 01:19:12
"Nathan for You" update:
Almost done with the available episodes, so this'll probably be the last update for this show :p ...
There's a really funny part in S4E7 where Nathan has his assistant try to flirt with a random girl (Maria) that they've gotten to come to the studio for an interview. The assistant is pretending to be a make-up artist whom Maria needs to sit for, but he has no clue what he's doing, so he just powders her face for 5 minutes and then puts her lipstick on really really horribly. She doesn't have a chance to look in a mirror after this, so she does the interview with lipstick smears all around her mouth :D
Cherub Cow
Member
Mon Aug 06 00:27:24
Okay, the "Nathan for You" season 4 finale was amazing.

One of the recurring guests has been a really bad Bill Gates impersonator, and he had apparently been visiting Nathan's office a lot which got Nathan involved in Bill's search for his long lost love (Francis). The search takes them to Arkansas, and there's a ridiculous[ly funny] switch where Nathan tries to book an escort for Bill to see how he'd act with a woman, but Bill declines the meet so Nathan ends up going on a date with the escort... and then several more dates ... followed by a super awkward date where they meet in a hotel room and kiss for a few minutes with all lips no tongue — like Nathan's experience stopped as a preteen or something :D ... that might have been the most awkward moment of the entire show. "The Hunk" was a close second, but this episode I had to pause during that scene and take a break because it was so awkward — really great stuff :D :D

The ending was also really beautiful (( SPOILER ahead )). Bill has an awakening moment where he realizes that as important as Francis had been in his mind (years and years of regret and speculation), Francis had moved on... It was pretty heart-breaking to see him realize that he was just someone's memory. Then it gets even more emotional when Nathan has a closing voice-over that includes him trying to understand what Bill's regrets can mean for the future.. and he meets the escort again :p

Have to wonder about the possibility of another season. This episode had a lot of closure, so it wouldn't be surprising if this was it. Then again, the show seems to give him a lot of freedom and Comedy Central apparently likes it, so if he intends to keep working in comedy (likely), then why not keep the show going?

I might start Westworld now...
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Tue Sep 25 09:19:40
new magnum pi, not good.
Cherub Cow
Member
Thu Oct 11 01:17:30
New season of South Park has started and has been funny so far :D
"Dead Kids" made fun of how school shootings don't matter anymore, "A Boy and Priest" made fun of how priests have been ruined by pedophilia charges, and "The Problem with a Poo" made fun of PC kids driving edgy or non-PC content away from the public eye. Good ending joke for episode 3 :D

"It Always Sunny in Philadelphia" started their season 13 — up to episode 5. Not sure where to watch it legit.. FX still only lets people watch via cable providers, and cable is going extinct.. so... torrent.
Cherub Cow
Member
Thu Oct 11 01:21:34
Oops! Posted too soon: Hulu doesn't have the new season of Philly, but iTunes and Amazon carry it and will do the usual thing of releasing new episodes the morning after they air.
Cherub Cow
Member
Sun Oct 14 00:16:07
Sunny in Philly season 13 seriously worried me with episode 1 (they spent all but the last few minutes pretending that Mindy Kaling was going to replace Dennis), but it's turned into a good season. Episode 5 ("The Gang Gets New Wheels") was especially funny — very unexpected ending :D :D
Pillz
Member
Thu Apr 25 06:49:24
Punisher season 2 was okay.
Gun gale online sucked.
SAO Alicization sucks.

I wish 24 were on Netflix. Might start designated survivor
Cherub Cow
Member
Fri May 17 19:57:43
I stopped keeping up with Designated Survivor when Hulu lost the rights to it. Netflix has it now...

Netflix also just released the new season of Lucifer on May 8, 2019! :D
They did the Netflix method of releasing the *entire* season all at once, so that's cool. With "Happy!" also being on Netflix, I may have to add their streaming plan... I could easily burn all my free time this summer if I'm not careful ;p
Pillz
Member
Sat May 18 07:43:07
Lucifer has always been kinda meh. I missed season 3 but that didn't seem to matter at all. 4 was OK. Show still suffers from dectetive decker being unlikable and the story being... I don't even know what to call it. It's a mess.
Cherub Cow
Member
Wed Jun 05 03:40:31
"Show still suffers from dectetive decker being unlikable and the story being... I don't even know what to call it. It's a mess."

Yeah, Lauren German ("Detective Decker") is pretty bad at her acting job. I've complained about her in the past (the previous TV thread http://www...hread=76858&time=1526604057432 ). I also agree with the story being a mess a lot of the time. I also get annoyed with things like random piano song moments (probably just an excuse to show that Lucifer actor Tom Ellis can sing; résumé-building for him), how Lucifer's character will resist change artificially so that they can keep the case-of-the-week format (there have been times when he's backtracked from former epiphanies, like how he stopped calling Detective Espinoza "Detective Douche" for a reason but then fell right back into it without any of the continuity justifying the regression), and annoying characters like Ella Lopez (the lab tech, played by Aimee Garcia from Dexter).

So basically I admit that it's garbage :D ... what makes it watchable for me (why I overlook a lot of the bad value of the show) is the central story: the discovery of rare and magical artifacts, and a rebellion figurehead trying to reevaluate revolution and destroy "God"/gods while dealing with attraction as both an unconscious desire (somewhat deterministic) and a conscious choice (anti-deterministic). Under the surface they have some good Faust and Milton issues worked into it... just have to be willing to look past the flashy production ;)

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Chernobyl (TV miniseries)

Really good! It's a limited run of 5 episodes and they've already concluded the show as of June 4th, so marathons can begin.

I've finished episode 2 now. The first two episodes have a lot of "Fuck... don't do that" moments where misinformed or incompetent leaders make poor choices (namely Dyatlov (Paul Ritter) in episode 1, and Shcherbina (Stellan Skarsgård) in the beginning of episode 2). ( Minor Spoiler ) It's good to see that the decision-making was improved once people accepted the catastrophe, but wow... perilous situations.
McKobb
Member
Wed Jun 05 07:36:34
Them miners are fucked.
Cherub Cow
Member
Thu Jun 06 05:31:22
( Chernobyl SPOILERS )

Looks to be so! The ending wrap-up said that 100 out of 400 of the miners died before age 40. That's kind of a vague way to say how many died (it raises questions like, "How old were most of them during the dig?", "What were the causes of death?", or "What (generally) happened to the other 300?"), but that partial vagueness is explained in the wrap-up via Soviet secretiveness making numbers like that difficult to track in "official" ways. (To be clear: it's pretty obvious from their age at death that it would be Chernobyl-related — I'm just talking about the vagueness as a comparison between Soviet recording of history and "objective" recording, where in objective recording the statement would be more specific, e.g., "124 of the miners died of cancer-related illnesses within 2 years of exposure.")

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"Every lie we tell incurs a debt to the truth. Sooner or later that debt is paid."

Like the "noble lie" of religion! \:D/
That is, the longer that religions last, the more difficult to correct their damage. That's something that Nietzsche points out in "On the Genealogy of Morality": religion places a "debt" upon its believers which they can never repay (such as the debt of Jesus' "sacrifice"), which creates the constant psychic imbalance of "bad conscience" — imprisonment for the mind. Truth would destroy religion, debt, and the feeling of guilt.

Solid show. Guess the truth&lie stuff (coupled with the show's release date) was probably aimed at modern political&journalistic fuckery, but this would be a good show regardless of timing (i.e., even if released 8 years ago, its themes would still work). I rank it 14 out of 8 cancerous fetuses, which is over 9000 Roentgens!
McKobb
Member
Fri Jun 07 00:32:49
I see religion more as a genetically imbued survival strategy with most humans programmed to believe. It's just too damn ubiquitous among all cultures to be seen otherwise. Cults, UFO nutters, hologram manifesters, climate changers (he who controls the weather controls the world and sense no on can then wag the dog!), ct nutters, etc. Humans are for the most part true believers. What can be done about it or more importantly how do people use it to control human behavior is what matters imo. Science has mitigated it to a degree but I'd better dollars to donuts we take it to the stars with us.
McKobb
Member
Fri Jun 07 00:33:47
*I'd bet
Pillz
Member
Sat Jul 27 03:14:30
The blacklist is televisions most disappointing show
Pillz
Member
Wed Aug 14 03:52:29
Designated survivor is Jack Bauer carrying on president palmers legacy.
Pillz
Member
Thu Aug 15 15:30:14
This shows incredible
Pillz
Member
Sat Aug 17 05:06:28
GOAT show
Pillz
Member
Mon Aug 19 22:25:05
Even has Audrey and a forbidden love between Jack and herself.

CC did episode reviews of this didn't he?

Pillz
Member
Tue Aug 20 16:36:47
Season 1 was just incredible. 2 was a bit more hit or miss. Too many additional cast members & the entire MI6/Russian agent guy was pointless.

Both seasons did a good job of not politicizing issues too severely.

Unfortunately season 3 does away with a lot of good cast members/guests like Mike (Aaron of 24's stand in) and fbi director Forster (who I assume they couldn't afford). I'm glad leeor is gone, but Kendra almost served a role in providing his administration with legitimacy (because before that it was just two staffers and a Jr speech writer advising the accidental president. Leeor and Kendra was too much though).

Season 3 is also so much more in your face political (and progressive) and its irritating. Like wow guys it's 2019 why aren't natives the ruling class yet??

Wells = jack
Kirkman = palmer
Duncan = Tony almada
Forster = basically every ctu director rolled into 1
Audrey = audrey
Mike = aaron
Chuck = chloe



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