Utopia Talk / Politics / Gaza delenda est

Rugian Member	Sat Oct 07 11:36:09 Cont
Rugian Member	Sat Oct 07 11:37:33 Jergul There will be many questions about Israel's intelligence failures. If you think there is a single Israeli who is thinking along the lines of "oh that was our bad, we should have seen this coming so I guess we should just accept what happened today," then you don't understand human nature.
Rugian Member	Sat Oct 07 11:38:55 Also link to previous thread http://uto...hread=92215&time=1696696440640
murder Member	Sat Oct 07 11:39:14 "But ultimately, it is all bluster. Hamas has captured too many civilians and POWs (the IDF is using the distinction). There will have to be a negotiated outcome imo." Nah, Hamas done fucked up this time. You can't be as weak as they are and spill this much blood and expect that you're not going to take every inch of circumcised jewish dick in response. It's going to be violent, and it's going to last much longer than palestinians will enjoy.
Paramount Member	Sat Oct 07 11:40:22 Israel military and settlers has killed Palestinian civilians every day for more than a decade. In past 24 hours before Hamas started this operation, Israel had killed 4 Palestinians. If some Israelis are now being killed, they deserve it. Also, right now Israelis bombing civilians, civilian houses and at least two hospitals. They’ve shot and killed a journalist. This is the hallmark of Israel. Israel targets civilians.
Asgard Member	Sat Oct 07 11:40:41 I see reports already of journalists quoting themselves On twitter of posts from a week ago, saying there are many reports of sea/land/air drills in Gaza seen by Israeli civilians, asking why no one paid attention. Just like the Yom Kipur war exactly 50 years ago to-date - plenty of intelligence - zero consideration
jergul large member	Sat Oct 07 11:44:20 I think Israel will extract an acceptably disproportionate toll on Palestinian civilians and militants. Certainly in the 1000nds. Tack on a few punitive strikes against Iran in Syria if you like. But beyond that? Too many hostages and prisoners of war to expect a dramatic escalation. I don't get your problem. Hamas and Israel have been in a state of war for like forever. The only big thing that has happened is that this hamas operation was sort of successful. Most fail. Most civilians will be fine. Israel has tons of shelters. So now the IDF gets to mop up, then do some punitive incursions and bombings inside Gaza. Business as usual once we look beyond the profound embarrassment.
murder Member	Sat Oct 07 11:45:54 "Israel military and settlers has killed Palestinian civilians every day for more than a decade. In past 24 hours before Hamas started this operation, Israel had killed 4 Palestinians. If some Israelis are now being killed, they deserve it. " 100% correct ... also 100% irrelevant. The weak have no choice but to grind their teeth over that shit. The strong have the option to depopulate enemy territory.
Asgard Member	Sat Oct 07 11:46:00 In Israel - It is perceived as an UTTER Israeli failure , and as an amazing (amazingly shocking) Hamas success
jergul large member	Sat Oct 07 11:47:52 Asgard That is sort of my take on it too. Fair enough that Hamas will pay a Tet offensive price for it, but the operation certainly will shake things up a bit.
Rugian Member	Sat Oct 07 11:48:05 Jergul Israel informally has a 1,000:1 ratio for valuing Palestinian lives to Israeli ones. Your thousands of dead Palestinians estimate is off by multiple orders of magnitude.
murder Member	Sat Oct 07 11:48:32 "Too many hostages and prisoners of war to expect a dramatic escalation." Nope. The only thing holding Israeli rage back will be the US responding to European outrage over excessive violence.
jergul large member	Sat Oct 07 11:51:16 Murder Listen to what Asgard is saying. Of course there is rage. Israel has been profoundly embarrassed. Now, I have do doubt Israel will take its pound of flesh from Palestinian civilians and militants alike. I am disputing that things will move to a full occupation and expulsion of the Gaza population.
jergul large member	Sat Oct 07 11:53:05 Ruggy It is very hard to kill 10s of thousands of people in an urban environment used to frequent artillery and air strikes.
obaminated Member	Sat Oct 07 11:56:36 "Embarrassed". Jergul, your autism is showing. That aren't embarrassed when they see an ass raped female paraded around by a group of men shouting victory cries.
obaminated Member	Sat Oct 07 11:56:57 They* aren't
murder Member	Sat Oct 07 11:58:38 btw I must commend Rugian on the title of the thread.
jergul large member	Sat Oct 07 12:01:58 Obam Thankfully, that is not what they are seeing now, is it? Israelis see a profound fuck up by their government and intelligence services.
murder Member	Sat Oct 07 12:02:22 "Listen to what Asgard is saying. Of course there is rage. Israel has been profoundly embarrassed." This has nothing to do with embarrassment. Whether 9/11 or the Marine barracks or the Black Hawk down shit. The rage is real. "I am disputing that things will move to a full occupation and expulsion of the Gaza population." I don't think there's any chance that Israel will expel all the palestinians from Gaza ... but you can be sure that it will be occupied and the occupation will be harsh until we reel them in.
obaminated Member	Sat Oct 07 12:04:01 Jergul's complete failure of understanding and comprehending human emotion aside. The rage behind Israel right now is justified as is their general fear that this can continue or happen again. We live on a very different time in 2023 than we did in say 2007. The real time images of gloating Palestinians and dead Israelis is shocking and no one (except fringe "neutrals" like jergul and blatant hypocrites like murder) will defend Hamas and even then it's relegated to online forums. If Egypt is cutting all ties with Gaza then Hamas is truly screwed because they have relied on the Arab world for moral and financial support. Israel can't outright execute all Palestinians but moving them into the Sinai is, at this time, a realistic and probable solution.
jergul large member	Sat Oct 07 12:04:12 I give it 24 hours before Israeli news articles start talking about the government hiding its failures behind meaningless bombardments in Gaza.
jergul large member	Sat Oct 07 12:05:54 I seem to have greater faith in Israelis. I do not think them prone to mass hysteria. You seem to think they are. Is that not borderline antisemitism?
Paramount Member	Sat Oct 07 12:06:02 If we support the right of an occupied people to fight an occupier then we should sanction the shit out of Israel and send weapons to Palestine.
jergul large member	Sat Oct 07 12:07:19 How am I defending Hamas beyond noting it has been in a state of war with Israel for decades?
obaminated Member	Sat Oct 07 12:07:47 Opps, I meant to write parafag and not murder. My bad.
obaminated Member	Sat Oct 07 12:09:55 Jergul, you are doing what you always do. Feign neutrality through platitudes while arguing for one side over the other. But let's not focus on you or whatever topic you want to shift to. This is about Gaza and Israel.
murder Member	Sat Oct 07 12:14:39 "... then Hamas is truly screwed because they have relied on the Arab world for moral and financial support." That is probably why we saw this. With arab states increasingly playing kissy face with Israel, they probably saw their financing drying up and hit a point of now or never.
Asgard Member	Sat Oct 07 12:15:41 It is likely that a coalition government will form The Israeli public is so divided that we are on the brink of civil war - but not any longer
jergul large member	Sat Oct 07 12:16:36 Obam Maybe you are doing what you always do and fundamentally misunderstand my position. All I am saying is that Israel will not go to the extremes posters here are suggesting. Surely you must realize that is true at some fundamental level?
Allahuakbar Member	Sat Oct 07 12:19:22 Sure our units will have secured the huge amounts of gold that were hidden in jewish houses, that will be enough for financial independence.
Asgard Member	Sat Oct 07 12:23:31 Love this fella
obaminated Member	Sat Oct 07 12:24:48 Jergul - think of it this way about your misunderstanding of human emotion and behavior. Your first assumption was that Israeli people and the government felt embarrassed by this attack. You are the only one here who had that conclusion. Not even Paramount. Our resident Israeli poster has said many times to you that the collective feeling amongst the population is a blinding rage and anger. And you consistently ignore or dismiss his statements. Why? Because you are possibly autistic and have a problem understanding human emotions (I feel like this is a thing with you). Now, Israeli isn't embarrassed. They are angry and they are scared and you think "I bet in 24 hours they'll bomb some buildings to distract the media from investigating this intelligence failure". Once again, your fundamentally flawed understanding of human nature puts you out on an island. The last thing the Israeli media wants to do is point fingers at the mossad for this failure. That will come. But it won't be used as a public humiliation like you seem to think. Israel is at war and they are angry, scared and totally can over power their enemy. Your assumption that restraint will win out is yet another example of your understanding of human nature. *when I say you are autistic it is less an insult and more me trying to explain how you could be so consistently wrong regarding human emotions. It's very possible in your brain you would confuse anger and shame with embarrassment. The alternative is you are maliciously downplaying a natural reaction to seeing grandmother's gunned down and the corpses of children paraded around as groups of men cheer and flip off the dead children*.
jergul large member	Sat Oct 07 12:30:46 Obam How many F-16s do public emotions have? The Government will enact measures. Like I said, I give it 24 hours before Israeli newspapers start to state the govenment is trying to cloak its failures behind meaningless bombardments in gaza. Combine that with the need to negotiate the release of hostages and POWs, and you should see that there is a hard limit to Israeli retaliations. What you are missing here is who Israelis blame for the success of the attack. I maintain they will fast blame government and security agencies for that failure. You think they will go on a crusade based on anectdotal incidents. I think it enough with a 3:1 ratio of dead palestinian civilians to Israeli ones.
Sam Adams Member	Sat Oct 07 12:31:59 Hamas is so fucked. Sounds like the entire israeli army is mobilizing. Ground invasion seems likely. At the very least you have to wall off gaza with IR cameras on 1000 tanks and kill anything that moves within a mile or 2 of the border.
Rugian Member	Sat Oct 07 12:32:08 BTW and not to distract from Obaminated's highly necessary bodyslam of jergul's atrocious takes here, but the death count is a hell of a lot higher than the 70 that jergul claims. "The death toll from the Hamas terror group’s war on Israel rises to more than 150, Hebrew-language media cite medical officials as saying. The Health Ministry says 1,104 people have been wounded in the attacks, which included Hamas terrorists infiltrating into Israel and gunning down soldiers and civilians. Others were wounded in rocket attacks. The death toll is expected to rise higher. Hundreds of Hamas gunmen infiltrated into Israel this morning, crossing at multiple points, overwhelming what the IDF considered to be the highly sophisticated border fence. Thirteen hours after the start of the attacks, there are reported to still be 22 “active” areas in southern Israel, where gunmen are still active or feared to be in the field. Hamas claims to have abducted dozens of Israelis to Gaza; the IDF has confirmed that soldiers and civilians have been taken hostage, but has not specified a number. http://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-october-7-2023/amp/
jergul large member	Sat Oct 07 12:37:25 Ruggy The official number is now 100. Of course it is climbing. Time is passing. That is the total toll btw. Including IDF losses. 1100 people have been hospitalized. For wounds, injuries and health incidents triggered by the stress of it all. At least know how Israel counts stuff. What is the rest of your argument? That the IDF will fail to crush the active areas? I take it for granted that it will. The IDF confirms that civilians have been taken hostage and that IDF members have become POWs.
jergul large member	Sat Oct 07 12:39:05 Ruggy Here is what going on here Sammy: Everone should be genocided The rest of you: Yeah, word Jergul: When have sammy's calls for genocide ever happened? Here is what will go down.
Asgard Member	Sat Oct 07 12:40:47 Israeli coalition government is now forming confirmed
Asgard Member	Sat Oct 07 12:41:08 Unified coalition *
jergul large member	Sat Oct 07 12:41:40 Wait, what? Now even sammy is way closer to my perspective than the rest of you are. So, touch grass. Take a chill pill. That is my advice. You should know you are wrong when you think things will be more genocidal than sammy does.
jergul large member	Sat Oct 07 12:44:45 Asgard Do you think the outlook for normalized relations with Saudi Arabia will curb the Israeli government response somewhat?
Rugian Member	Sat Oct 07 12:46:32 Jergul Obaminated might not have been far off with his analysis of your mental faculties if you seriously think that I believe that Israel is literally going to genocide all of Gaza. That's an aspirational outcome, not a realistic one. But whatever Israel does, it will almost certainly be the most severe campaign we've seen in a generation. Israelis are furious at Hamas here. The intelligence failure doesn't detract from that simple reality.
Rugian Member	Sat Oct 07 12:48:56 Asgard is literally telling you what the mood of the nation is at the moment. Why exactly do you think you know better than him?
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Oct 07 12:49:09 Stop taking Jergul seriously. The only thing he understands is Russia, because he has a formal accredited education in it. Everything else he says is either obviously wrong and retarded or when they are in the real of prognostication, unraveled and proven wrong with the passage of time e.g 12.5% by 2020 and all the extravagant predictions he made about Israeli losses to Russian air defense systems in Syria.
Asgard Member	Sat Oct 07 12:58:28 Normalized relationship with Saudi Arabia is entirely a trick by Netanyahu to garner support from home during his trials by means of international prestige gains. considering the obvious headlines tomorrow of thousands of dead Palestinians and videos of toppled Gaza buildings that is entirely moot
Asgard Member	Sat Oct 07 13:05:50 Ok this is extremely concerning news - UNIFIL - the UN peace task force in Lebanon, keeping the peace between Israel and Lebanon - have abandoned posts.
Rugian Member	Sat Oct 07 13:05:57 I know, but his take here goes well above and beyond even his normal standard of batshit crazy. It's not like we haven't seen this scenario play out before. 9/11 also involved significant intelligence failures that were quickly made apparent. Do you think that THAT was what Americans were most concerned with on September 12? Absolutely not. Yet here we are with jergul claiming that Israelis are going to care more about finding out who in Mossad should be fired than in avenging a national tragedy in its immediate aftermath. It defies all reality.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Oct 07 13:07:09 Rugian "Why exactly do you think you know better than him?" Jergul would explain how anal sex works to a gay porn star.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Oct 07 13:13:47 "Rugian Member Sat Oct 07 13:05:57 I know, but his take here goes well above and beyond even his normal standard of batshit crazy." Yeah. I think it is that he is getting older and old people just have zero fucks to give. Act as a multiplier in his case on top being a twatsplainer.
obaminated Member	Sat Oct 07 13:17:40 Re- asgard According to UNIFIL official Twitter account, as of two hours ago they were still holding the blue line. http://twitter.com/UNIFIL_ That doesn't prove anything but I can't see any sources about unifil abandoning posts.
jergul large member	Sat Oct 07 13:21:38 Nimi Stop being such a snowflake. Your butthurt knows absolutely no bounds. You should try to fix that part of yourself. Ruggy Its fine that you are backstepping, or that I mistook hyperbole for your actual position. I think Israel will do punitive bombings and limited incursions into Gaza. If that is all you are saying they will do, then fair enough. The hostage/pow situation will in any event curtail the Israeli reponse. There is also the domestic blame game. I think it will take hours, not years (in the case of the US) for Israeli newsoutlets to become highly critical of government distraction techniques.
jergul large member	Sat Oct 07 13:27:20 I can for the world of me not see why this is even contentious. It must be that people have trouble stepping back from their own hyperbole. I forgot. We also should expect some IDF airforce raids against Iranian command bunkers in Syria.
obaminated Member	Sat Oct 07 13:36:21 Lots of airstrikes on Hamas compounds and buildings in Gaza. Here is a Palestinian speedboat being sent to Allah via Israeli cannon. http://www...ps_have_destroyed_a_number_of/
obaminated Member	Sat Oct 07 13:38:37 Hamas is using motorized gliders to infiltrate into Israel. Image http://www...Fi.redd.it%2Fnghiksvn9ssb1.jpg Video http://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/171ziyn/more_palestinian_gunmen_are_infiltrating_southern/ Surreal, but effective.
obaminated Member	Sat Oct 07 13:41:32 Hamas effectively wipes out Israeli platoon inside outpost. http://www...aeli_military_outpost_release/
obaminated Member	Sat Oct 07 13:42:45 Hamas using drones to target Israeli tanks. http://www...kes_israeli_tank_east_of_gaza/
obaminated Member	Sat Oct 07 13:43:41 I posted all that footage so as to drown out jerguls idiotic belief that this is a minor issue that won't lead to major shifts in Israel's stance on gaza.
Asgard Member	Sat Oct 07 13:49:43 Obamonated - this is not a platoon per se and not an outpost… this is the central HQ base of the Gaza-Division army. Most of this army is at home, or serves in Judea-Samaria to protect psycho religious settlers, the base was mostly empty and lightly defended
jergul large member	Sat Oct 07 14:00:22 Obam Again, I think you are misunderstanding my position, again. What part do you think is wrong? Incursions, not occupation or ethnic cleansing? That is where you think I am wrong? Now, if you dislike that I push back on hyperbole (I have noted you have moderated your position somewhat), then perhaps dont do hyperbole in the first place? A disproportionate number of Gazan civilians and militants will undoubtably die. I would expect incursions and bombings against Gaza. I would also expect punitive strikes in Syria. However, the hostage/pow situation will curtail Israeli retaliations, as will domestic interest in uncovering details around the massive intelligence failure. I am stunned that this in contentious at all.
obaminated Member	Sat Oct 07 14:01:58 Thanks for clearing that up. I wonder if Yom Kippur and the timing of this attack was at all related.
obaminated Member	Sat Oct 07 14:05:52 Jergul keeps pointing to the hostages as proof that Israel will need to negotiate... the guy seems to selectively forget that Israel literally has a protocol to sacrifice hostages for this exact sort of scenario. If ever the hannibal directive was to be put into place it would be now. Otherwise you are letting hamas know you can slaughter hundreds of Israelis, take dozens as hostages and negotiate a deal. Don't think that's going to happen. Israelis are fully aware of what happens when an Arab takes you prisoner. Death by missile strike is far better than being mutilated or set on fire.
obaminated Member	Sat Oct 07 14:06:42 And I haven't moderated or changed my position. Israel can't and won't execute every Palestinian. But moving them out of Gaza and into the Sinai is a realistic and possible solution.
jergul large member	Sat Oct 07 14:10:14 So occupation of Gaza followed by ethnic cleansing into Egypt. Yes, there is some distance between what we think will happen.
Seb Member	Sat Oct 07 14:15:40 I think Israel should take a long hard look at attempts to use high tech Western military armies to suppress nationalist insurgencies. The results aren't great. Much like Armenia failed to leverage their military victories into lasting peace due to weak political leadership unwilling to confront the electorate with the need for concessions to secure those victories, so Israel. Yes, there will be bloody reprisals. But there have been bloody reprisals before. And there will be more attacks by Hamas, Hezbollah etc etc.
Seb Member	Sat Oct 07 14:18:32 Obaminated: I doubt Egypt is going to accept responsibility for this. They might just forcibly deport them straight back, or just set up a bunch of camps on the border and make it very clear that will not be responsible for Israel's fuckups. You have an uncontrollable Palestinian population on the border with Gaza that will attack into Gaza. It doesn't help.
obaminated Member	Sat Oct 07 14:19:21 Nah
obaminated Member	Sat Oct 07 14:20:24 ** that was literally meant to be a text message, disregard that response **
murder Member	Sat Oct 07 14:25:14 "Combine that with the need to negotiate the release of hostages and POWs ..." How many children has Russia kidnapped? Has Ukraine sued for peace yet? This is not a skirmish. Hamas will not survive this.
murder Member	Sat Oct 07 14:26:39 "What you are missing here is who Israelis blame for the success of the attack. I maintain they will fast blame government and security agencies for that failure." It doesn't matter who is responsible for the success of the attack. What matters is who slaughtered their citizens.
Sam Adams Member	Sat Oct 07 14:28:23 Shaped charges dropped by drone have killed at least a couple merkhavas. This is almost certainly iranian tech. Given how well armed and coordinated gaza apperently is(surprising) and the massive civilian death toll(probably 1000 or so israelis) i think its obvious the status quo is done. I think we are left with 4 israeli options regarding gaza: ‐dmz... surround gaza with tanks and automated sensors. Anything that approaches is instantly killed. Total blockade as well. -occupation... invade and conquer gaza house by house. -explusion... gaza's population is required to leave. Or die. -extermination... self explanatory... not a realistic option in this day and age but a few people must be considering it. And then... a number of options for attacking iran, or not. The most reasonable there is missile strikes against military targets.
murder Member	Sat Oct 07 14:32:18 "Hamas is so fucked. Sounds like the entire israeli army is mobilizing. Ground invasion seems likely. At the very least you have to wall off gaza with IR cameras on 1000 tanks and kill anything that moves within a mile or 2 of the border." I think a ground invasion of Gaza is guaranteed, and they may not stop there. Netanyahu didn't really need any encouragement to want to slaughter these people, but they gave him some anyway. He's going to focus this rage and go after every enemy he can track down.
Sam Adams Member	Sat Oct 07 14:32:25 Breaking: Netanyahu saying all civilians should leave gaza. Looks like a combo of 2 and 3?
murder Member	Sat Oct 07 14:34:20 "Jergul: When have sammy's calls for genocide ever happened? Here is what will go down." Don't think of it as genocide. Think of it as berserking.
Asgard Member	Sat Oct 07 14:35:51 No way in hell Egypt will accept even a single Palestinian refugee, they never have done so before and never will. Israel will invade Gaza (Israel ya not an outlandish scenario , actually it happens occasionally here and there on small scales every few months) but this time it will do so until Hamas is no longer an entity that exists. The IDF will bleed hard, and so will Hamas and collaterals on both sides. 250 official dead so far. It will climb up sharply to 500+. Someone’s are STILL occupied by Hamas… so it may be even 1000+. This is a fantastical number. Tenfold than the most extreme events historically. The streets are empty - I walked my dog out and no one is out, everyone is glued to the news on their TVs and other screens. Israel changed today, things will never be the same, even the leftists of left wingers want to see Gaza in flames
Asgard Member	Sat Oct 07 14:37:06 When Netanyahu said civilians shouldleave Gaza he meant Gaza the city, not Gaza the territory. Important difference….
murder Member	Sat Oct 07 14:38:45 "Breaking: Netanyahu saying all civilians should leave gaza." Yes, they should go to ... They don't really have anywhere to go, do they?
Asgard Member	Sat Oct 07 14:40:23 There are other cities in the Gaza strip
murder Member	Sat Oct 07 14:40:38 I don't think jergul understands that if you're going to lose thousands of citizens anyway, you may as well lose them in combat destroying the people that would kill you.
Rugian Member	Sat Oct 07 14:41:00 That's still 600,000 people, out of the total Gaza Strip population of 2.0mm. Shit's about to get crazy.
Asgard Member	Sat Oct 07 14:41:38 Sorry for typos
Rugian Member	Sat Oct 07 14:42:19 Are we about to find out how many bulldozers it takes to level an entire city? *genocide boner intensifies*
murder Member	Sat Oct 07 14:44:03 "When Netanyahu said civilians shouldleave Gaza he meant Gaza the city, not Gaza the territory." I can't imagine that any square meter of the Gaza Strip won't be scrubbed clean of Hamas.
murder Member	Sat Oct 07 14:45:03 "Sorry for typos" We'll let it slide this time. But just this once.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Oct 07 14:50:51 I forgib you.
Sam Adams Member	Sat Oct 07 14:56:28 You could try to clense half of gaza at a time. All women and children to the south, pacify the northern half, allow women and children through the checkpoints into the north, pacify the south. Estimate 10,000 israeli kia and 400,000 gaza kia for an operation like that.
murder Member	Sat Oct 07 15:00:47 I don't think Hamas has the strength to kill 10,000 Israeli soldiers. The bigger the battle, the more outmanned and outgunned they are.
Rugian Member	Sat Oct 07 15:02:12 For permanent peace in Gaza, 10,000 KIA might just be an acceptable price to pay. The alternative is to continue living with this bullshit forever.
Asgard Member	Sat Oct 07 15:02:48 To make it clear, 250 civilians - the combatants are numbers are still obscured
jergul large member	Sat Oct 07 15:18:33 You would think the alternative is for Israeli intelligence not to screw up and bang Hamas operations on the head before they start like what usually happens? Asgard You sure combatants are not conflated with civilians? It seems odd to subtract the known IDF dead.
obaminated Member	Sat Oct 07 15:21:03 Yeah, 10k Israeli dead is unlikely, wounded though. Let's not forget the favorite pastime of gazans, suicide bombing. The problem with the Gaza strip is all the gazans. Gallows humor but it's true. The average male age in Gaza is 18 years I think? Hard to find middle ground with a radicalized teenager.
obaminated Member	Sat Oct 07 15:21:42 Jergul still going on about the intelligence failure. That's the real story guys!
Asgard Member	Sat Oct 07 15:23:35 Of course it’s an intelligence (ignoring the obvious evident drills and preparations) failure
obaminated Member	Sat Oct 07 15:33:13 I wonder how large of a force was in on this attack.
Rugian Member	Sat Oct 07 15:43:29 "Commander of IDF Nahal Brigade killed during clashes with Hamas, IDF says By EMANUEL FABIAN The commanding officer of the Nahal Infantry Brigade, Col. Yonatan Steinberg, was killed this morning during clashes with Hamas terrorists in the Kerem Shalom area near the border with the Gaza Strip, the military says. Steinberg, 42, from the southern town of Shomria, was en route to the site of clashes being managed by his subordinates when he encountered a terrorist who killed him. He is one of the most senior Israeli officers to have been killed in combat in recent memory." http://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-october-7-2023/
Seb Member	Sat Oct 07 15:43:56 Sam: How's expulsion supposed to work of Egypt closes the border. Expulsion = extermination.
Asgard Member	Sat Oct 07 15:47:32 Yeah, somehow I don’t see Israeli soldiers rounding up Palestinians on a border wall and shooting. Germans in the 40s, sure Palestinians terrorists, sure They can do it But you and your co-nuts have been wishing for this for ages and it never happened nor will it ever happen The IDF may be exponential, but not genocidal
obaminated Member	Sat Oct 07 15:47:46 Israel still following ROE. Drops a low yield rocket on a roof top. Apparently building was demolished a few minutes later. Caught in real time on aj http://www...ine_tower_caught_on_aljazeera/ Those female journalist better be getting good combat pay. She is a fucking white woman, who the hell thought it was a good idea to station her at gaza?
obaminated Member	Sat Oct 07 15:49:34 Ah, video of previous building going down. http://www...share_id=ns0BAdVFUz1Hg8-L0P2eC
obaminated Member	Sat Oct 07 15:52:46 Conversely video of Hamas not following ROE and blindly shooting a rocket barrage at Israel hoping to hit anyone and anything. http://www...new_rocket_barrage_fired_from/
Rugian Member	Sat Oct 07 15:53:02 Multiple videos of Israel destroying Gazan tower buildings. Still far, far short of the necessary response to this assault.
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