Utopia Talk / Politics / Gaza: Alea iacta est

Rugian Member	Sun Oct 08 08:48:01 Israel has formally declared war against Hamas. To paraphrase Al Swearengen, Hamas has bought their people one good, long-term ass-fucking. Link to previous: http://uto...hread=92217&time=1696772069243
jergul large member	Sun Oct 08 08:50:22 Ruggy I will ask you too then. Courage of convictions in an order of magnitude range. How many Palestinians do you think will be killed? I have taken the 4 digit slot. What is yours?
Rugian Member	Sun Oct 08 08:51:34 5 to 7
LazyCommunist Member	Sun Oct 08 08:52:20 "The Israeli government formally declared war on Hamas " Aren't Jews supposed to be the smart guys? Smart people wage SMOs not wars!
Rugian Member	Sun Oct 08 09:03:32 Jergul You seem to be under the impression that a DoW is going to limit Israel's capacity for ruthlessness. The last time the United States declared war on someone, we firebombed Dresden, Tokyo, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki out of existence. Four cities incidentally make up half of the entire population of the Gaza Strip. I'm sure we have some HE munitions that we can donate to Israel.
LazyCommunist Member	Sun Oct 08 09:06:29 I want this to become a big and long war. Then all eyes will be on this shit hole and nobody will care any longer what we do in the Ukraine, Putin plays 6d chess!
jergul large member	Sun Oct 08 09:26:14 LC The governments do what suits to arrange the war in a manner that fits with domestic law. Ruggy I think ruthlessness is self regulated by national interests. Israel "declared war" under the equivalent of the US 10th Ammendment (all power not held by others is held by government is the unitary state version). Legit enough, but a state of war does mean anything the government wants it to mean. Leveling concrete cities require munitions measured in the 10s of millions of tons. I have no idea what the US dumb bomb stockpile is. It still costs about 100k a ton to drop given the IDF airforce composition.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Oct 08 09:33:10 American citizens among the dead and hostages.
Rugian Member	Sun Oct 08 09:46:12 "Met increases patrols in London after reports of Israel attack celebrations Minister shares video posted by Rachel Riley of people waving Palestinian flags in west London" http://www...-of-israel-attack-celebrations C u n t s
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Oct 08 09:49:04 600 dead. 2000 wounded. 100 abducted.
Rugian Member	Sun Oct 08 09:51:32 Jergul A, I don't think you understand the 10th Amendment. B, Israel has already commenced with destroying Palestinian tower buildings. Gaza's urban landscape will be totally fucked.
jergul large member	Sun Oct 08 10:01:28 Ruggy A. I think I do. Its application is different for unitary states, but it addresses who has unassigned powers. There is no law on declaring war in Israel. The government still has that power as it is derived from 40th article of base law. B. Yes. Many concrete buildings will have to fall for the dead to be in a 4 digit range.
Rugian Member	Sun Oct 08 10:28:24 Jergul Oh for fuck's sake. The entire purpose of the 10th Amendment is to place limits on the undefined powers of the government. A 10th Amendment equivalent for a unitary state would be "The powers not delegated to the State of Israel by the Basic Laws, nor prohibited by it to the people are reserved to the people." Your take on it ("all power not held by others is held by government") manages to convey the exact opposite sentiment of the amendment. You got it completely wrong. And the 10th Amendment doesn't even apply here. If you had bothered to read Article 40, you'd know that the government has the right and responsibility to seek a declaration of war before engaging in warfare. It's a defined power for the state.
Dukhat Member	Sun Oct 08 10:55:43 Israel should rightly smash the shit out of Hamas. Surprised how reserved they have been in their retaliation targeting mainly hamas strongholds. I'd have expected Palestinian civilian deaths to be way more at this point. I do think Israel cares a little bit about minimizing collateral damage. I also think they may have problems securing munitions past a month because so much has gone to Ukraine already and Western stockpiles are way down.
Sam Adams Member	Sun Oct 08 11:01:45 Liberal media going to bat for hamas. Nyt, msnbc, treat israel and hamas as exact equals: No mention of terrorism. No mention of hamas striking first. No mention of israeli civilians being targetted. No mention of the barbarity. At least not in the headlines. "Israel and gaza at war, 900 total dead" is the headlines from these 2 shitrags. Amazing.
Sam Adams Member	Sun Oct 08 11:05:25 "Surprised how reserved they have been in their retaliation targeting mainly hamas strongholds." Agreed. I think they may be waiting for the reserve call ups to be mated with their gear. Then theyll go in with tank divisions on the ground and the slaughter really will start. Theyll mainly be expending small arms rounds and tank shells. Plenty of them around. No worries there.
Sam Adams Member	Sun Oct 08 11:12:04 http://www...preacher-Palestine-Israel.html Western nations allow muslim terrorists to celebrate inside our borders?
Allahuakbar Member	Sun Oct 08 11:13:41 Tactical masterpiece, this will be remembered as one of the greatest battles of all history: http://twitter.com/manniefabian/status/1710980029977424295 A compilation of Hamas clips shows how the terror group invaded southern Israel yesterday. First they bombed Israeli observation towers and weapons systems on the border, then fired hundreds of rockets as terrorists on paragliders flew over the border. Moments later, Hamas approached the border fence, blew up holes in it, and allowed hundreds of terrorists to infiltrate into Israel.
obaminated Member	Sun Oct 08 11:26:47 So, jergul has been consistently wrong and as usual he is making the thread about him and is doing his best to switch topics to issues he wants to talk about. Let's please stop feeding his narcissistic personality, make a thread specifically for him if you want to waste time with him, he is so needy for attention he will show up and respond. Let's keep these threads on topic as best as we can. (I am fully aware jerguls next response will be a "I see you made a comment about me so I will now write drivel about how I never make a topic about me because that isn't something i do." Just ignore him and keep this thread on topic).
obaminated Member	Sun Oct 08 11:29:36 I called it with hamas taking those civilians with zero intention of using them as bargaining chips for jailed Palestinians. That was a leftist pipedream. Those civilians were as good as dead the moment they were taken. It's unfortunate but this is war with savages, literal savages. You cannot expect them to behave rationally or strategically. They want to cause maximum pain and damage to Israel as quick as possible. The average age of a Palestinian is 18 years old. They are not thinking long term goals when they are gloating over the bodies of dead children and posting the videos on Twitter or tiktok.
Asgard Member	Sun Oct 08 11:40:56 700 dead, latest official tally
Rugian Member	Sun Oct 08 11:41:24 Holy...
Sam Adams Member	Sun Oct 08 11:48:33 Expulsion of the Palestinians seems like the best course of action for long term peace.
Sam Adams Member	Sun Oct 08 11:52:35 http://x.com/michaelh992/status/1711031750674014466?s=20 In one of several similar incidents, one of the Hamas attackers who broke into the home of a grandmother in Nir Oz, near #Gaza, killed her, filmed it with her phone and uploaded the video to her Facebook - which is how her grand-daughter found out.
Dukhat Member	Sun Oct 08 12:23:15 Obaminated just making dumb shit up. Literally one step away from Cherub Cow territory. Hamas is just a gang of thugs. Not being a really military organization with discipline, undoubtedly there will be rapes and murders. But they will try to keep some hostages as collateral. The leadership is not fucking stupid. Israel could literally stomp them like an ant when full resources are brought to bear. The assymetry of their lives mostly being worthless compared to a western life is something all terrorists understand and their ultimate bargaining chip.
Dukhat Member	Sun Oct 08 12:24:07 Well not a gang of thugs, but not really military. Hezbollah is a greater threat. And Iran mucking things up the greatest of all. Biden doing a good job there telling to stay the fuck out.
Rugian Member	Sun Oct 08 12:30:54 "Biden doing a good job there telling to stay the fuck out." LMAO what is this fucking propaganda?
Rugian Member	Sun Oct 08 12:31:50 Do you have a single scrap of evidence to support the claim that Biden's awesome diplomacy is keeping the Iranians at bay here? I'm going to go out on a limb and say no.
Sam Adams Member	Sun Oct 08 12:34:22 http://x.com/PMBreakingNews/status/1711068417569018037?s=20 Muslim terrorists and left-wing white libs chanting hamas slogans in nyc. Any jew would be justifed in shooting that up, right?
Rugian Member	Sun Oct 08 12:36:08 ^ The Muslim savages in that crowd I at least understand All of those leftist white people being there OTOH is brain-melting. Our education systems have completely failed multiple generations of Americans.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Oct 08 12:43:32 Apparently many homes in Israel have a safe room. Families have taken shelter in them, the savages have set fire to the house, when the family tries to flee, they got massacred. If there is a Hamas after this, Israel has failed as a state.
Sam Adams Member	Sun Oct 08 12:48:57 http://www...f265346ecbe2f9f806cb39bce&ei=7 Washington post running propaganda articles for Hamas.
Sam Adams Member	Sun Oct 08 12:56:28 Carrier group moves in. If only we had an iowa to really spread fear.
Rugian Member	Sun Oct 08 13:04:56 lol Reactivate all of the Iowa battleships and just have them shell all of Gaza until everyone leaves or is killed. That would be glorious.
obaminated Member	Sun Oct 08 13:22:31 Cuckhat in a single post calls hamas a gang of thugs that isn't a military so of course rapes and murder will happen but at the same time leadership won't allow it to happen. Lol. Just be quiet cuckhat, wait till your handlers in the media give you a talking point, you aren't good at independent thought. Hamas is going full blitzkrieg and is seemingly hoping a nonstop onslaught will ignite the Arab world to join them. Whatever shot those kidnapped civilians had is pretty much gone. Praying the babies hamas stole are at least given some form of protection, but that is probably not gonna happen. My stance that Palestinians being pushed out of gaza is looking more and more likely. You cannot live next to a nest of vipers.
obaminated Member	Sun Oct 08 13:31:06 And yes. It took the political left in the united states less than a day before getting over their natural reaction to the horrific images of murder and mass kidnappings and remembering ideology trumps everything. Jews bad. Palestinians good.
murder Member	Sun Oct 08 13:35:42 Just for the record the CIA estimates the population of Gaza to be 2,098,389 (2023 est.) I only mention it because Cherub Cow misquoted Wikipedia on the size of the population in the last thread.
obaminated Member	Sun Oct 08 13:37:43 Egyptian police officer murders two Israeli tourists. http://www...e-officer-Alexandria-Gaza.html
murder Member	Sun Oct 08 13:40:20 "I have taken the 4 digit slot. What is yours?" Directly? ~ 20,000 over this next few months. Indirectly? Lets just say that the population will decline by 6 figures over the coming decade.
Sam Adams Member	Sun Oct 08 13:46:53 5 digits at least. No way bibi can kill less than 10,000 Palestinians. 6 digits are possible.
Sam Adams Member	Sun Oct 08 13:47:40 UN makes important statements that will surely solve world peace: http://x.com/UN_Women/status/1711048869637697685?s=20
Sam Adams Member	Sun Oct 08 13:51:05 http://x.com/oulosP/status/1710605461479710888?s=20 Sebs migrants in action.
Paramount Member	Sun Oct 08 13:51:44 ” You cannot live next to a nest of vipers” They can always move back to Eastern Europe and the US where they originate from. Imagine going to someone elses land, bulldoze their homes, shoot and kill their children and fathers, and then push people into an open-air concentration camp with walls and watchtowers. And then when the oppressed people resist, you complain that you can not live next to them? !
Sam Adams Member	Sun Oct 08 14:02:18 Open air prison!! http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Beach_Resort,_Gaza
Paramount Member	Sun Oct 08 14:05:30 I hope that the Palestinian freedom fighters has one or a few aces in their sleeve and can inflict intense pain on Nazi Israel before this is over. For every child that Israel has kidnapped, tortured or killed over the decades, for every home that has been destroyed, for every olive tree that has been uprooted, a thousand Zionazis should be put to rest.
Dukhat Member	Sun Oct 08 14:05:31 Sam Adams linked article is nothing more than a straightforward news reporting piece. Sam wants to toe the cukservative line that all 2 million people living in Gaza are Hamas supporters which is a ridiculous and ignorant assertion. Obaminated lacks basic reading comprehension skills but we knew that already. Brain dead retard rotting his brain obsessed over things that barely matter. Biden's doing what any president other than Trump would do. Moving Carrier groups and assets in the area to make sure that the violence doesn't spread. Also implicitly guaranteeing Israeli's flanks too should Iran and Hezbollah get too uppity. Still should giving Biden credit for doing the right thing for our interests even though Dubya and Clinton and Reagan would've done the same thing. Can't take acting like a reasonable American president for granted after the corrupt Trump years.
Dukhat Member	Sun Oct 08 14:08:26 Glad we actually have some military commanders now though not having key appointees for months probably greatly hindered information sharing and military readiness. Fuck you Tommy Tuberville.
Rugian Member	Sun Oct 08 14:11:11 "Fuck you Tommy Tuberville." No, fuck the woke commanders whose extreme pro-abortion polices made Tuberville's holds necessary in the first place.
Rugian Member	Sun Oct 08 14:14:30 We still don't have any sort of backup for your claim that Biden is singlehandedly keeping the Iranians at bay by the way.
murder Member	Sun Oct 08 14:14:34 "Four cities incidentally make up half of the entire population of the Gaza Strip. I'm sure we have some HE munitions that we can donate to Israel." We donate to them every year. It's on auto-pay.
murder Member	Sun Oct 08 14:25:40 "Leveling concrete cities require munitions measured in the 10s of millions of tons. I have no idea what the US dumb bomb stockpile is." A good firestorm is the way to go.
Sam Adams Member	Sun Oct 08 14:28:11 "Sam wants to toe the cukservative line that all 2 million people living in Gaza are Hamas supporters which is a ridiculous and ignorant assertion." I'm sure there are a few 1000 innocent Palestinians. They can leave.
obaminated Member	Sun Oct 08 14:29:08 We won't know the accurate number of those killed by idf forces for years. People in 2006 claimed 1 million Iraqis died during the 2003 invasion and subsequent occupation of iraq. Now in 2023 that number is revised to between 275k and 330k between the years of 2003 and March 2023. They are already claiming thousands of Palestinians are injured after 1 day of strategic bombing including ROE required roof knocking to minimize civilian casualties (something russia doesnt bother to do in ukraine). Palestinians and left leaning media will hyperinflate Palestinian deaths and casualties, it's a tactic they use to perpetuate the narrative that Israel is brutal and oppressive.
murder Member	Sun Oct 08 14:33:26 "Expulsion of the Palestinians seems like the best course of action for long term peace." Eliminating Hamas and herding all the survivors into the West Bank would seem the way to go.
murder Member	Sun Oct 08 14:35:23 "The leadership is not fucking stupid. Israel could literally stomp them like an ant when full resources are brought to bear." And yet they thought this was a good idea. This is what happens when you replace Sesame Street with terrorist training videos.
murder Member	Sun Oct 08 14:37:17 "If there is a Hamas after this, Israel has failed as a state." Finally something Nimatzo and I can agree on.
Dukhat Member	Sun Oct 08 14:44:06 They thought this was a good idea because they are desperate. The vast majority of the Gaza strip lives in poverty. That's a huge pool of desperate people to recruit from. And with Saudi Arabia about to normalize relations with Israel and far-right governments constantly eking out victories, they saw their position only getting worse and worse. What's shocking is how fucking stupid was Netanyahu to leave Israelis so undefended. A lot of troops were being used to defend their pointless West-Bank settlements and were not available in Gaza. That's what happens when you kowtow to religous nutters. You make fucking stupid decisions.
murder Member	Sun Oct 08 14:47:02 "Imagine going to someone elses land, bulldoze their homes, shoot and kill their children and fathers, and then push people into an open-air concentration camp with walls and watchtowers. And then when the oppressed people resist, you complain that you can not live next to them? !" All 100%. Also 100% irrelevant. You can't wish away big/little or weak/strong. Palestinians need to learn to accept their reality, or they will learn to go extinct.
Dukhat Member	Sun Oct 08 14:47:08 There will be more Hamas. The retaliation will cause more collateral damage which will echo across families and generations and create more terrorists. You saw the same shit in Ireland and throughout history. Of course cuckservatives will just advocate for mass genocide to deal with it. That's not going to happen even with a far-right guy like Netanyahu in charge. So it'll be the same tomorrow and next year like it's been for hundreds and thousands of years.
Rugian Member	Sun Oct 08 14:48:01 So we're never going to get that explanation from Dukhat about why Biden is a secret master of diplomacy, are we.
Dukhat Member	Sun Oct 08 14:48:47 These trite overgeneralizations don't really capture the reality of politics in the middle-east. There are hardliners on both sides and there are more moderate forces trying to eke out some kind of future. These wars enable the hardliners but in the long term, the result of the far-right on both side is just to cause massive wanton destruction all around.
Dukhat Member	Sun Oct 08 14:49:49 What master of diplomacy? He moved carrier groups and put our forces on high alert. Iran knows whats up. Try to stir up shit and we are ready whether spoken or unspoken.
murder Member	Sun Oct 08 14:57:03 "They thought this was a good idea because they are desperate. The vast majority of the Gaza strip lives in poverty. That's a huge pool of desperate people to recruit from." The vast majority of people in Gaza live in poverty because they host a terrorist organization that wants to destroy its neighbor.
murder Member	Sun Oct 08 15:01:50 "There will be more Hamas. The retaliation will cause more collateral damage which will echo across families and generations and create more terrorists. You saw the same shit in Ireland and throughout history." There is not an endless supply of people. They can be killed faster than they can reproduce. "Of course cuckservatives will just advocate for mass genocide to deal with it. That's not going to happen even with a far-right guy like Netanyahu in charge. So it'll be the same tomorrow and next year like it's been for hundreds and thousands of years." There's more than one way to skin a troublesome population. You can always genocide them slowly by restricting their access to food, water, and medicine ... or more directly by poisoning them slowly over time with any number of toxic chemicals.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Oct 08 15:04:26 http://twitter.com/khansarinia/status/1711094985376792699 Iranian football fans chanting "Shove the Palestinian flag up your ass" in response to government propaganda in support of Hamas. lol :)
Asgard Member	Sun Oct 08 15:25:35 Hehe, I know also that the Israeli Judo Olympian Who wrestled against an Iranian champion, - and the both are friends - received many support DMs and tweets from Iranians On a different note I want to advise on the similarities to 50 years ago , the Yom Kipur war: although Israel won militarily, and pushed back the Syrians and the Egyptians after destroying their armies - to this day, this war is perceived in Israel as an utter defeat and perceived by the Syrians and Egyptians as a victory, because they went into this war knowing they will lose to superior Israeli forces, their goal was to shakeup the established notion that Israel is unshakable, and they proved it is shakable. This is why Hamas did what they did, albeit also with a religious nut complex and the wish to die as martyrs while killing the evil Jews, but that is the general notion
Dukhat Member	Sun Oct 08 15:58:58 "You can always genocide them slowly by restricting their access to food, water, and medicine ... or more directly by poisoning them slowly over time with any number of toxic chemicals." Yes, that is what Israel is doing in some measure to residents of Gaza and the West Bank which is why some of them attacked under Hamas.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Oct 08 16:02:13 Speaking of Iran: Iran Helped Plot Attack on Israel Over Several Weeks The Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps gave the final go-ahead last Monday in Beirut http://www...hamas-strike-planning-bbe07b25 This was always a strong possibility, but now it seems as it is the reality.
Sam Adams Member	Sun Oct 08 16:05:53 I think we have to hit iran. With ak47s they kill 1000 civilians. What will they do with nukes. Take advantage of the dissent, kill the leaders and start an uprising?
Sam Adams Member	Sun Oct 08 16:06:44 http://x.com/YehoshuaYosi/status/1711104597278765532?s=20 Israeli general in the field with a bunch of dead palestinian militants.
Asgard Member	Sun Oct 08 16:25:58 That is a lieutenant colonel on the ground, a beast of a man
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Oct 08 16:27:52 If that wall street journal is correct, I think Israel has to hit Iran and this time in Iran proper and not through clandestine activities. Some IRGC base(s).
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Oct 08 16:32:01 But I also know the animosity in the general populace of Iran and Israel towards is each is very low, especially relative to the official relations the past 40 years. Islamic republic interventions in the Levant are not popular with the Iranian people outside shia jihadis. According to statements made in Iranian state TV, about 15% of the population support the regime. Which probably means less than 10% in reality.
murder Member	Sun Oct 08 16:39:59 The Saudis and Qataris put out statements blaming Israel for the violence. =========================================== The Foreign Ministry of Saudi Arabia released a similar statement on Saturday stating that the kingdom is “closely following” the developing violence and calling for the international community to intervene and introduce a “two-state solution to achieve security and peace in the region.” “The Kingdom calls for an immediate halt to the escalation between the two sides, the protection of civilians, and restraint,” the statement read. “The Kingdom recalls its repeated warnings of the dangers of the explosion of the situation as a result of the continued occupation, the deprivation of the Palestinian people of their legitimate rights, and the repetition of systematic provocations against its sanctities.” =========================================== “The State of Qatar expresses its deep concern over the developments in Gaza Strip and calls on all parties to de-escalate, and exercise maximum restraint. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs holds Israel solely responsible for the ongoing escalation due to its ongoing violations of the rights of the Palestinian people, the latest of which was the repeated incursions into Al-Aqsa Mosque under the protection of the Israeli police.” The Qatari statement also called on the international community to “compel Israel to stop its flagrant violations of international law, respect the resolutions of international legitimacy and the historical rights of the Palestinian people, and to prevent these events from being used as a pretext to ignite a new asymmetric war against Palestinian civilians in Gaza.” ===========================================
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Oct 08 16:47:48 Given the precarious internal situation in Iran and constant attacks in Syria by Israel, it does make sense that they would be *heavily* involved. They need something they can call a victory, having achieved shit all on the "Palestinian issue". My personal opinion is that, it is too little too late. The bulk of the 85% that have abandoned them are going to be horrified by these videos of women, children, elderly and people at a music festival indiscriminately massacred. 260 dead bodies at that rave party!
obaminated Member	Sun Oct 08 17:00:11 The green revolution showed the people don't support the Iranian government but it doesn't matter and I don't think the Iranian people are going to rise up and violently topple their government and any attack on Iran will only cause people to back their government. So. Not much to do there beyond strategically bombing military sites and tell Iran not to do it again.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Oct 08 17:31:14 "any attack Iran will only cause people to back their government." Any attack? No, I don't think so. That boat has sailed. I think an attack inside Iran would be limited to IRGC bases. It would not move the needle, most likely be cheered. Even the nationalists channels I listen to who, prior to Mahsa Aminis death, supported the regime out of necessity and dreams of regional hegemony, are appalled by what they are seeing.
Dukhat Member	Sun Oct 08 18:33:46 It is a difficult tightrope as the islamists who control Iran would love to associate the protesters with foreign invaders. That being said, Biden has probably informed Israel that they will not support Israel striking Iran especially without definitive proof that Iran started the attacks. The US does not want widespread escalation. Watching the videos are horrifying though. People taking away by ignorant thugs in shitty trucks. Netanyahu is a fucking imbecile for letting these morons deal so much damage. Why is there not a rapid response force with helicopters and gunships? All the good troops were committed elsewhere. So stupid.
Dukhat Member	Sun Oct 08 18:37:02 Keep in mind we only had a chairman of the joint chiefs of staff since October 1st because of Tuberville too. This is an intelligence failure on our part as well.
Sam Adams Member	Sun Oct 08 19:19:01 http://www...al-massacre-eyewitness-account Women have been raped at the area of the rave next to their friends bodies, dead bodies.” Several of these rape victims appear to have been later executed. Others were taken to Gaza. In photographs released online, you can see several paraded through the city’s streets, blood gushing from between their legs.
Sam Adams Member	Sun Oct 08 19:19:40 I'd forgive israel if they let loose a couple jerichos
Sam Adams Member	Sun Oct 08 19:21:43 Do irans leaders ever fly?
obaminated Member	Sun Oct 08 19:55:30 Really need trump is the office. Well. Really anyone on the republican side. Biden is a fucking empty suit controlled by lgbtq blm political bullshit. Hamas and Iran just reminded the western world that radical Islam is still our enemy is we need to destroy them over there or else we will have to fight them here.
Dukhat Member	Sun Oct 08 20:43:08 Shut the fuck up you drunk piece of shit. Trump was and is an incompetent fool who helped make this possible. He blindly supported Netanyahu who occupied more territories and overextended the IDF. Dumb, drunk, ignorant motherfucker.
obaminated Member	Sun Oct 08 20:51:11 Soooo Bidens diplomacy is keeping Iran out of the conflict (even though Iran planned and greenlit the attack) This is all trumps fault despite trump being out of office for 3 years. And I'm drunk. At some point you'll need to come up with facts or sources to back up your claims. I mean... think of it this way. We got tired of clowning on you about your billionaire super model wife fantasy life you would post about. At this point we don't get upset at your personal attacks because it's coming from you. Get yourself a little credibility and a little self respect. Belligerently throwing around insults and making baseless claims doesn't mean much to anyone when they don't have any truth to them. Rugian has spent the day trying to get you to explain your random claim that Bidens diplomacy is keeping Iran out of the war. You've spent the day ignoring it. But sure. I'm a drunken buffoon. Whatever helps you accept your supermodel wife divorced you and took your billions.
Dukhat Member	Sun Oct 08 21:02:25 "At some point you'll need to come up with facts or sources to back up your claims. I mean... think of it this way." Says the guy who says Iran planned the attack. Fucking nitwit. If Israel had proof, Iran planned the attack, they would have released their proof and Tehran would be a nuclear crater right now. Just one of your many narcissistic tangents where you accuse people of doing the things you yourself have actually done.
obaminated Member	Sun Oct 08 21:11:53 http://www...reen-light-meeting-Monday.html I don't expect you to apologize, admit you were wrong or change your position. I will however lay my head down with a smile on my lips knowing that you walked yourself off a cliff.
Dukhat Member	Sun Oct 08 21:12:27 The only source saying that Iran helped Hamas is the WSJ which hid the article behind a paywall and has shitty sources not corroborated by anyone else. A Rupert Murdoch rag trying to make wag the dog and link Iran is not reputable. That being said, if there is real evidence that Iran was behind the attacks, send them back to the stone age.
obaminated Member	Sun Oct 08 21:13:50 "Hid their article behind a paywall". Do you know how business works?
obaminated Member	Sun Oct 08 21:19:25 Cuckhat says "this thing never happened" and then gives a motive and disparaging remark for why a news source would make up "this thing that never happened". And then in the next sentence says "but if this thing happened we should go to the extremes in our reaction to it".
Dukhat Member	Sun Oct 08 21:21:49 Anyways, back to the real issue: the hostages. The Israeli population will want their friends and family back first and foremost. A prolonged war of occupation will not be popular. The IDF can smash any conventional force and win any conventional battle against its neighbors. Street-fighting and occupation negates its material advantage. Even if they are "winning", the collateral damage of killing women and children in the Gaza strip will not be something that Israelis will want to sustain. Right now, the far-right pieces of shit that Netanyahu sucked off in order to maintain power want him to go hardcore and refuse to release prisoners and go scorched earth on Gaza (very similar to the cukservatives on this board). The better plan is to surgically strike and wipe out as much of Hamas as you can (especially the leadership), have a show occupation of a few weeks and then save enough face that you negotiate and let Fatah take over governance of the Gaza strip with security assurances. Fatah has been much less bothersome to Israel than Hamas for decades now. Fatah will want, however, assurances that settlements will stop and Jerursalem be split as was originally agreed upon. This will piss off royally the far-right in Israel. At the end of the day, Netanyahu will do what the far-right wants most likely and there will be a ton of pointless bloodshed before he's forced to face reality and do some half-assed version of the better plan I described above. Toxic masculinity gonna toxic.
Dukhat Member	Sun Oct 08 21:26:00 I accidentally deleted out the part about the hostages. Israel will release most of the prisoners for all of the hostages when they can. It will be delayed and more people will die of Netanyahu kowtows to the far right.
obaminated Member	Sun Oct 08 21:27:13 I wasn't aware only far right Israelis and cuckservatives wanted to go scorched earth on hamas and gaza. I guess asgard and the israeli parliament must all be far right.
obaminated Member	Sun Oct 08 21:35:33 Gotta admit the cognitive dissonance displayed here by jergul and cuckhat in regards to the Israeli mindset is pretty God damn funny. Asgard gives us this verbal images of streets being empty, everyone glued to the television, fears of the UN abandoning their posts in Libya. We hear about safe rooms being located in houses, Israelis hiding in them as their house is set on fire, any Israeli caught fleeing is shot dead. Mother's shot dead and their babies kidnapped. Grandmothers to slow to flee taken away at gun point. Women raped next to the corpses of their friends and then executed. Jergul "boy, Israel must be embarrassed!" Cuckhat "only the far right Israeli politicians want to go to total war with hamas"
obaminated Member	Sun Oct 08 21:36:00 Libya - Lebanon
obaminated Member	Sun Oct 08 21:37:04 And all this after asgard reiterating several times that "whatever internal political issues separated Israelis yesterday are gone today" But jergul and cuckhat know better. Lol.
Dukhat Member	Sun Oct 08 21:45:14 You post so much dumb shit without even educating yourself. It's embarassing. Sleep it off.
Rugian Member	Sun Oct 08 22:28:06 WSJ is one of the best investigative sources out there. But Dukhat arbitrarily dismisses them and places more faith in hack organizations like MSNBC because their ownership better aligns with his political biases. This is a dead giveaway that we are dealing with an idiot here.
obaminated Member	Sun Oct 08 22:35:22 I thought his strategy of "take out as much of hamas as you can, within reason" was inspired. It's important to set low goals when heading into a war with an enemy that seeks your utter destruction.
Rugian Member	Sun Oct 08 22:36:43 Russia and China are apparently calling for an immediate ceasefire. http://www...ions-security-council-00120565 These hypocritical pieces of shit would be going absolutely apoplectic if some terrorist group murdered 700 of their citizens. Fuck them.
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