Utopia Talk / Politics / Gaza est omnis divisa in partes tres

Rugian Member	Sat Oct 07 15:53:05 Previous thread: http://uto...hread=92216&time=1696708251363
Daemon Member	Sat Oct 07 16:00:02 http://twitter.com/EretzIsrael/status/1710743372237795470 The girl that has been kidnapped by the #Hamas is apparently a German national that was visiting the music festival. Her name is #ShaniLouk
obaminated Member	Sat Oct 07 16:05:21 Well. Apparently there is already video of her dead. She ain't kidnapped.
obaminated Member	Sat Oct 07 16:17:57 Bidens state department posted a tweet condemning the hamas terrorist attack but then urged all sides to refrain from violence because it never solves anything. Ted Cruz brought the tweet attention and it was deleted. You may see it in this thread. http://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1710577655165358572 Joe biden and his administration is a national disgrace. Imagine the British government condemning the 911 attacks but then urging restraint and non violence? Fucking jokers.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Oct 07 16:25:27 That's the girl, whose corps Paramount was salivating over as a settler or a soldier.
obaminated Member	Sat Oct 07 16:34:33 Parafag got way to excited over there being a conflict between hamas and israel. I'm willing to bet there is a lot he regrets posting right about now.
Rugian Member	Sat Oct 07 16:36:26 "The total number of Israelis captured by Hamas in a surprise attack on Israeli towns on Saturday was “several times greater” than dozens, a spokesperson for the armed wing of Hamas said in a recording. The spokesman said those taken captive were spread throughout all areas of the Gaza strip, Reuters reports." http://www...-5000-rockets-live#top-of-blog
Sam Adams Member	Sat Oct 07 16:58:02 Israel mobilization: 150,000 reservists called up. Activating 35 independent brigades and 4 additional divisions! Possibly that reporter confused brigade with battalion but either way it looks a full corps or 2 of additional infantry/tanks.
obaminated Member	Sat Oct 07 17:06:08 I think people who are assuming hamas kidnapped so many civilians because they plan to use them as bargaining chips to release jailed Palestinians are either lying to themselves or are suffering from jergul levels of delusion. You don't massacre people like that if your goal is to force prisoner exchanges. Those kidnapped Israelis, the ones who aren't dead yet, are going to be raped, tortured and used as human shields. There is zero chance hamas ever planned on conducting prisoner swaps with them. There is a reason they ran off with this young woman but marched her boyfriend off somewhere else. http://www...ng-boyfriend-invasion-war.html
jergul large member	Sat Oct 07 17:11:53 Obam I think facts on the ground matter. Israel goes to great lengths to recover its servicemembers. Hostages and POWs will form the Israeli response. But we need not argue this point. You think Israel will occupy Gaza and ethnically cleans the area. I think Israel will bomb Gaza, perform limited incursions into Gaza, and hit a couple command bunkers in Syria it thinks contains Iranian commanders. Gazan deaths (militant and civilian) less than 10k. Time will soon show which of us is correct.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Oct 07 17:24:24 lol :) The equivalent of 9/11 just happened, the bloodiest massacre of Israeli civilians since, I have no clue. A reminder to Israel so strong, they put all their internal disagreements, that has been consuming them for months aside, to focus singularly on their mortal enemy. Remember that one time, they laid Lebanon to ruin for killing and abducting a few of their soldiers? Time will only tell what everyone with half a functioning brain can already figure out. We should make this interesting and take bets.
jergul large member	Sat Oct 07 17:32:24 We will just have to wait and see little snowflake. You should make that interesting by locking down what you think will happen. How many 10s or 100ds of k Palestinian is your hypbole driving you to think will die? So...many...drama...queens :).
obaminated Member	Sat Oct 07 18:13:51 Well, jergul, remember you claimed that within 24 hours (I'd say maybe 12 hours from now) the media in Israel would be getting distracted by strategic bombing so as not to focus on the "embarrassing" Intel failure. I think it's safe to say you are wrong. The Israeli media and its people have already accepted the Intel failure and aren't even remotely focused on who to blame. The entire nation's focus is on destroying the people who attacked them and getting vengeance. And those strategic bombs? Looks like Israel is flattening the obvious targets while preparing for a full scale invasion of the strip. So. You are already out when it comes to predicting what will happen.
obaminated Member	Sat Oct 07 18:15:32 Oh and your weird "hamas has hostages. Of course Israel will negotiate now" take is also wrong. No one is talking about negotiating for hostage trades and you don't mobilized 150k troops when you plan on negotiating. So across the board you are wrong.
Seb Member	Sat Oct 07 18:51:49 If Israeli intelligence missed this, what else are they missing? One reason to take hostages is to require a ground invasion, which would fix a decent chunk of Israeli forces (it also might not be as easy as last time. Suicide bombers as a tactic were about delivery systems. FPV drones with a grenade on them make the tactic obsolete). Biden's statement on Twitter right now makes it sound like the US thinks Hezbollah or Iran might make a move.
Sam Adams Member	Sat Oct 07 19:54:19 http://x.com/visegrad24/status/1710811394348552276?s=20 Palestinians abusing a small israeli child they abducted. Amazing that they are just broadcasting their own blatant war crimes on social media. Israel is going to go apeshit.
obaminated Member	Sat Oct 07 19:55:49 It's possible hezbollah is willing to go all in with hamas on the belief that the United States under biden won't intervene, and probably correctly believing that. But Iran won't dare to chance it. It's too big of a risk. If it is just terrorist organizations attacking Israel then Biden can wring his hands and offer everything short of physical military support. If nations join in after Israel then there is no wiggle room for biden and he will have to send US troops in and that will be the end of Iran completely.
Sam Adams Member	Sat Oct 07 19:56:48 "Biden's statement on Twitter right now makes it sound like the US thinks Hezbollah or Iran might make a move." Clearly. And hes repeating his message a lot so we must have some intel. I think we hit iran for sure if they get involved. Israel can probably handle hezbollah just fine but we always like an excuse to bomb lebanon after the beruit thing.
obaminated Member	Sat Oct 07 19:57:33 @sa - hamas is filled with radicalized young men who don't realize how depraved their actions are going to be perceived by the world. I mean, how fucking detached from reality are they to spout off all this Hage of the West while using devices and technology made available to them from western countries.
Forwyn Member	Sat Oct 07 20:14:52 @mt I think you're underestimating how potent leftist media is. How many under-30s aren't rabidly anti-Israel? Visit your closest university in the next couple weeks for a sample. It falls under the intersectionalist umbrella. Israel is an extension of Western evangelical white supremacists, and Palestinians are righteous crusaders (lol) fighting against their less brown oppressors. These people will literally cheer for burned and shot infant corpses if it fits their agenda.
Sam Adams Member	Sat Oct 07 21:23:53 "As Bialik wrote: 'Revenge for the blood of a little child has yet been devised by Satan'. All of the places which Hamas is deployed, hiding and operating in, that wicked city, we will turn them into rubble. I say to the residents of Gaza: Leave now because we will operate forcefully everywhere." -Netanyahu Godamn. Last time i heard words that badass was gwb after 9-11
Sam Adams Member	Sat Oct 07 23:06:01 I love how the usual retards like omar and aoc are like "we need a ceasefire immediately" like hamas doesnt deserve mass punishment. Like you dont get to murder ~1000 jews in their homes and then scream ceasfire just before you hit back. Doesnt work like that, morons. Saudi saying the same thing... i guess we can tear up that treaty they were working on.
murder Member	Sat Oct 07 23:19:14 If Israel can't dominate and pacify Gaza then they are a joke. Gaza is the size of Las Vegas.
murder Member	Sat Oct 07 23:29:50 "Biden's statement on Twitter right now makes it sound like the US thinks Hezbollah or Iran might make a move." Biden is still worried about Russia using nukes. Grandpa can't handle this much stress.
Sam Adams Member	Sat Oct 07 23:36:56 Lots of gun camera videos coming in from appaches lighting up anything that moves in the no mans land between gazas buildings and israel. You can hear their big autocannons on some of the news feeds to, but most of their work seems to be hellfires. Proper use of appaches. Bet they are having fun. Where were they in the first hour? You live next to a nest of vipers youd think you would keep your viper spray on rapid standby.
Paramount Member	Sun Oct 08 01:00:13 Women are being raped http://x.com/partisangirl/status/1710841484675883459
obaminated Member	Sun Oct 08 01:06:44 When video of this being burned alive by her captors is put on the internet, Paramount, will you feel shame at all for this? You are posting a 3 second video of a kidnapped woman as evidence that she is okay and not under threat. There is low and then there is you. Of course. You the same "human" who gloated about a dead woman, declaring her either a settler or an IDF soldier. You had no basis for those claims and her murder wouldn't be anything but murder if you were correct. But you were incorrect. That woman whose body you were verbally desecrating was a German tattoo artist. Do you feel shame at all for your behavior ?
obaminated Member	Sun Oct 08 01:07:03 Video of this woman being burned alive**
Asgard Member	Sun Oct 08 01:11:57 No he does not He is as bad as the Syrian bit girl he quotes
Asgard Member	Sun Oct 08 01:12:11 Syrian bot *
Sam Adams Member	Sun Oct 08 01:25:58 Artillery duel at hezbollah border
Paramount Member	Sun Oct 08 01:27:29 Why should I be ashamed of anything? It’s not like all of you are not gloating about the decades long killings of women and children in Palestine. Why are you holding me to a higher standard than yourself?
Paramount Member	Sun Oct 08 01:29:34 “I served in the IDF 25 years ago in the intelligence forces.. there’s no way, in my view, that Israel did not know what’s coming…Something is very wrong here” http://x.com/maajidnawaz/status/1710815659653804437 Exactly what I was thinking yesterday. Hamas was obviously invited by Nethanyahu to strike Israel. I haven’t seen Nethanyahu this happy in a long time. He is back in the game again.
Seb Member	Sun Oct 08 02:18:13 Murder: Nope, turns out there was firing in both directions across the UNFIL policed border.
Rugian Member	Sun Oct 08 02:53:49 Democrats are evil cunts. "NYC-DSA @nycDSA Tomorrow, October 8, at 1PM. Times Square. In solidarity with the Palestinian people and their right to resist 75 years of occupation and apartheid. FREE PALESTINE!" http://twitter.com/nycDSA/status/1710778425303081288
Seb Member	Sun Oct 08 03:00:10 Really stupid to conflate Palestinian independence with this atrocity.
Dukhat Member	Sun Oct 08 03:36:16 There is something seriously wrong with you cuckservative retards. Just tons of made up shit and exaggerations and outright lies and circle jerking yourself into a fury. This barely has anything to do with Biden and the US. Our concern is to not let this become a region-wide thing. The rest is up to Israel. Netanyahu is going to be untouchable for a few years but it will be a George Bush-like situation but worse. A big intelligence failure paired with massive overextension of the military elsewhere because he was kowtowing to religious nutters who want to settle in places that have no value surrounded by hostiles. Israel will crush Hamas because this is a desperate attack from them as they are running out of time. Meanwhile, thousands of Israelis will suffer and probably several times more Palestinians unrelated to Hamas will be killed or wounded in the retaliation. Just a stupid shitshow all around. And you fucking assholes want it to support your own idiotic preconceived political narrative. Fuck you.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Oct 08 04:05:52 There it is, that tiny bit of encouragement, if anyone needed it. Anonymous guy that misspells the names of the rich man items he owns, has spoken! He is not here to support his own biased narratives. He is better than you. You pieces if shit you! Where is WTB?
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Oct 08 05:14:30 300 Israeli civilina dead so far, according to BBC.
Rugian Member	Sun Oct 08 06:01:03 "Just tons of made up shit and exaggerations and outright lies" Name one thing that we've been lying about in this thread. Are we doctoring the images or videos? Are we making up the casualty counts? Are we wrong in our claims regarding Biden's previous actions regarding Gaza? You are such a goddamn idiot. Oh, and your lack of sympathy for the dead Jews is also noted.
Cherub Cow Member	Sun Oct 08 06:02:29 [Nim]: "Where is WTB?" wtb will be along when he sees a clever comment on Reddit that he can re-post here. [Paramount]: "If we support the right of an occupied people to fight an occupier then we should sanction the shit out of Israel and send weapons to Palestine." Harsh but fair. [obaminated]: "Jergul, you are doing what you always do. Feign neutrality through platitudes while arguing for one side over the other." Lulz, nice. [jergul]: "All I am saying is that Israel will not go to the extremes posters here are suggesting." This is going to be a good quotation to bookmark. [obaminated to jergul]: "Why? Because you are possibly autistic and have a problem understanding human emotions (I feel like this is a thing with you)." Yup! Seb too! They're emotionally retarded. I've specifically pushed Seb on this point, asking him to identify emotions. He consistently evades. Autists often think that they've merely controlled their emotions (the lie they tell of Stoicism) rather than the reality: that they've sacrificed a deeper understanding of the world in the absence of them. [Forwyn]: "Israel is an extension of Western evangelical white supremacists," Leftist anti-semitism is more of a competitive sport than some condemnation of "white supremacy". Their issue is that they see Israel using Marxism and Hegelian Master/Slave logic better than they have been able to use it. See, for instance, Black Hebrew Israelites (BHIs) and also Islam's founding. Muhammad wanted a competitor slave-doctrine via Islam, and BHIs understand Judaism's game of claiming "oppression" in order to gain power. BHIs, too, claim that *they* (BHIs) were historically oppressed and "chosen" [to become enslavers of the world]. U.S. black communities similarly claim to be "victims" and "historically marginalized" (the Jewish lies of collective trauma and "wrongful" disenfranchisement (not wrongful; disenfranchised because of their abuses of power)), and they use this status to claim "victim" privilege as a means of gaining un-earned power (power without nobility or responsibility — the "Master's" unassailable position). This same strategy of gaining power without nobility is the entire core of the modern left. Their adoption of the oppressor/oppressed code is from Talmudic doctrine crystallized in Hegelian dialectic. People on the left such as AOC, Ilhan Omar, and Rashida Tlaib are rabid anti-semites not because they oppose the Jewish doctrine of enslavement but because they recognize that global enslavement invariably leads to a master class — and they want it to be their own class. And they know this and see the power of this. AOC wants her anti-semitism to have power, but ultimately she just fake-cries and votes to send aid to Israel like Pelosi wants her to. They know who has the real power, and they can't say shit about it. They can't claim it's white supremacy and get CNN and MSNBC to own it with the same effect that Israel can get the same networks to smear "anti-semitism" and "white supremacy" against any opponent. Omar even had to apologize in a televised struggle session in early 2023 ( https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/rep-omar-targeted-by-mccarthy-defends-her-committee-assignment/ ). All they can do is hope that once the West is destroyed that they might be able to oppose Jews in the aftermath. They're wrong. They'll be slaves too. The West is the last thing protecting them from this. -=-=- [murder]: "I just observe and point out that the victimizers always portray themselves as the victims" (thread 1 http://uto...hread=92215&time=1696696440640 ). Does this mean that murder is aware that the left are fake victims? That, actually, they are enslavers attempting to enslave? That the left is being used as an extension of the Jewish–Hegelian Master/Slave lie of an oppressor/oppressed binary? That Hegelian "Masters" have provoked the left (as a client group of slavish thinkers) against a false oppressor (i.e., against the right)? If murder is truly against Israel here, then he might take note that the weaponization of slave morality is being used on the left in this same exact strategy that he now decries of Israel — murder seemingly with open eyes but perhaps only for this limited case! More clearly, the three players: 1) Hegelian "Masters" — manipulators, deceivers, Jewish subversives, etc.; trying to effect slave morality in others so that the "Masters" alone can rule over these slaves; their goal is to create a totalitarian slave society because slaves are more obedient to the "Master's" rule and are more likely to support the formation of a totalitarian society. 2) People of slave morality — the weak, resentful, and suicidal nihilists; given the falsified doctrine that they are oppressed; believing in a (false) oppressor/oppressed binary, they are fed the identity of an "oppressor" by the Hegelian "Masters", but this "oppressor" is actually *against* slavery and is merely an enemy of the Hegelian "Masters". That is, the left is fed slave morality so that they will do the bidding of the Hegelian "Masters", defeating *not* the enemies of the left but the enemies of the "Masters"; this deception has the left conquering their own societies on behalf of foreign agents. 3) People of noble morality (not the «Übermensch» but the closest of the three to it) — the sovereign, the strong; resistant to slave morality; they do not view the world in terms of oppressor/oppressed; the enemies of the Hegelian "Masters"; the scapegoats who are called "oppressors"; they must be destroyed by Hegelian "Masters" for the target society to fall. So, can murder see the connection? Can he see that he is being used? Probably not. Murder still believes the "Master" victimizer's rhetoric: that Westerners have nothing to complain about (Chinese Whataboutism) — even as they are conquered by leftist propaganda and incrementalism. Murder can recognize it when the "Masters" do it in Israel, but at home in the West he cannot see that his resentment is just a useful angst-state that has been mis-directed onto the sovereign right who protect murder's own society from ruin. In the case of this latest Israel news, Jergul may be right at least to *mention* the intelligence failure, but he seems not to realize that that failure may have been intentional in order to create the pretext for another problem-reaction-solution event. Yep: [Paramount]: "Hamas was obviously invited by Nethanyahu to strike Israel. I haven’t seen Nethanyahu this happy in a long time. He is back in the game again." The bigger question is not whether Israel is right to avenge itself, or whether or not horror can be found in war via dozens of bloody clips, or whether or not Palestinians are savages or deserve their ancestral lands. The question is how these Hegelian "Masters" will mobilize the world on their behalf to gain more ground and expand their empire of slavery. They very conveniently had a "9/11" despite superior intelligence. They're about to send the West another list of nations to conquer on their behalf, and all it may cost them is a few hundred of their own civilians. How many Americans had to be killed on 9/11 to convince the U.S. to attack Iraq for Israel? Even Winston Churchill warned in 1920 that the consequence of Israel would be constant turmoil in the Middle East on behalf of the Zionist — that the West would have to fight Israel's enemies to convince them not to destroy the West and that the West would *still* get mass immigration for their troubles. Israel's slaves have happily walked us into this for generations and even cry out on their behalf. [Nim]: "We should make this interesting and take bets." Jergul seems to be suggesting a 3:1 ratio (Palestine:Israel deaths), and Rugian posted the 1,000:1 ratio. NDTV claims 300 killed Israelis so far ( https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/israel-hamas-war-live-updates-300-israelis-killed-in-hamas-attack-gaza-residents-warned-ahead-of-revenge-4460678 ). That would be 900 Palestinians (so far) for Jergul and 300,000 for Rugian. Wiki claims 7.503 million Palestinians in Gaza. Hezbollah has a general estimate of 100,000 fighters. I'll call this as Israel's justification for WWIII — 9/11-style. But that won't pay off until next year, for now.. Israel will go "Munich"/Mossad on its local enemies. Their wars are pathetic, with • their longest being 50 days in 2014 with 2,310 Palestinians killed to 73 Israelis. • That averages 46 Palestinians per day on a 31:1 ratio Israel:Palestine (being kind and rounding down). • Israel already suffered its largest losses (300). Most war-fighting happens above day-time temperatures of about 60° (hence why Romans began offensives in March). It'll probably be too cold for these desert-dwellers by December 1st (historical average date for Israel to drop below 60°). So, let's say this conflict lasts 54 days (lol). • At 46 Palestinians in 54 days we have 2,484 dead Palestinians, but • At 300 Israeli losses (current) against a 31:1 ratio we have 9,300 dead Palestinians (civilians included). I'll average and say that 5,892 Palestinians will die in this conflict. It's this instead of underdogs this year.
jergul large member	Sun Oct 08 06:25:01 Funny how us married folk with children are the emotionally retarded ones in the eyes of single cat ladies :).
Rugian Member	Sun Oct 08 06:27:04 "Sderot mayor decries ‘massacre of innocent civilians,’ calls to erase Hamas Today, 3:17 am Sderot Mayor Alon Davidi tells residents to stay in their homes behind locked doors and not open them until instructed otherwise, as Israeli security forces work to find and apprehend an unknown number of Palestinian terrorists who infiltrated this morning from Gaza into Israeli communities and gunned down people in the streets and in their homes. Davidi decries the “massacre of innocent civilians everywhere,” and calls for Israel’s leadership to deal a significant blow to Hamas. “We need to take over Gaza and kill them, they need to be erased,” he tells Channel 12" http://www...ivilians-calls-to-erase-hamas/
jergul large member	Sun Oct 08 06:27:24 Your estimate is incidentally firmly within my range. I think Palestinian dead will be in the 4 digits.
jergul large member	Sun Oct 08 06:34:41 I do find the display of confirmation bias quite interesting though. We have 3 different cases recently. Abortion. Rabid debate that boils down to me having more rigerous abortian criteria than Ruggy is willing to accept. Ukraine. Turns out I have formulated the most hardline position on Russia (I am the only one that thinks sanctions should remain in place permanently for the permanent harm Russia has caused). Hama. Turns out my expectations are actually within the range of what most of you expect now that you have had time to think it through. Why not adapt to the facts? I am sure we can find things to disagree on that will live up to your conformation bias', but these are not those things.
Asgard Member	Sun Oct 08 06:38:22 500 dead, official number as of now. That means it can get as high as 800, 1000 even.
Rugian Member	Sun Oct 08 06:47:20 Flashback all the way to 19 hours ago...remember when jergul said this? "jergul large member Sat Oct 07 11:28:31 On the Israeli side: 70 killed and 900 wounded or injured/fell ill (in the chaos) so far. Take a chill pill. This is about being profoundly embarrassed." Already aged poorly.
Rugian Member	Sun Oct 08 06:48:22 Jergul You think our abortion debate was "rabid?" With murder it was, with you I thought it was quite civil.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Oct 08 07:04:47 "jergul large member Sun Oct 08 06:25:01 Funny how us married folk with children are the emotionally retarded ones in the eyes of single cat ladies :)." I will be the first to say, that in your case it is a LARP. You then use the LARP as an alibi, to paraphrase the DMs: I am only pretending to be retarded, Jergul isn't me. The real mental retardation is that you actually think the LARP is some sort of intellectual pursuit. LOL :)
Rugian Member	Sun Oct 08 07:09:08 "A shocking video has emerged from Israel in which a family is seen being held hostage reportedly by armed men of the Hamas group. One of the girls in the family was reportedly executed in front of her siblings, Israel-based journalist India Naftali posted on X, formerly Twitter. Israel's embassy in the US this morning said 100 civilians have been taken hostage after the large-scale terror attack by Hamas yesterday. In the video, a couple is seen sitting on the floor with their son and daughter, who appear to be minors. "Why is there blood on your hands, papa?" the son asked and broke down. "I wanted her to stay alive," the visibly traumatised girl said, apparently referring to her sister who was executed in front of them. "My sister is dead," she said. "It didn't happen," her mother said, in shock amid the horrifying situation as an armed man walked in front of the camera. The parents consoled their children and asked them to lie down on the floor as the Hamas men kept firing from their house. http://www...aughter-executed-4461225/amp/1
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Oct 08 07:12:10 Rugian In Jerguls defense, he has been conditioned by 6+ decades of relying on "officials" to tell him what to eat, when to eat, who to trust etc. etc., he can't think for himself and assess the scale of the event and take in information from people who live there. Instead he was literally triggered by Asgards "hysteria", I believe the exact quote was "your hysteria is getting on my nerves" bla bla bla "touch grass". His stoic impatience with Asgard's prognosis was really inspiring.
jergul large member	Sun Oct 08 07:13:40 Nimi Let go of the need to confirm your biases little snowflake. It will make you a better internet persona. Rofl@ you larping as yourself in this forum :).
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Oct 08 07:17:19 Latest numbers 400 dead civilians in Israel. Fighting still going on, new waves of Hamas assaults with paragliders took place today.
jergul large member	Sun Oct 08 07:19:04 Nimi Are you adding a reading disability to your larping disfunctions, or is that just the normal blatant dishonesty? Asgard is not being hysterical. I made the specific point that I trust the Israeli people will not slip into mass hysteria of the type we saw after 9-11 in the US (that kind of stuff is reserved great powers anyway). My predictions on the outcome are quite in line with what posters here believe now that they have come to their senses. But feel free to chime in. How many 10s or 100ds of thousands Palestinians do you think will be killed?
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Oct 08 07:20:26 Jergul You are welcome anytime to come and verify IRL.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Oct 08 07:22:39 Asgard Member Sat Oct 07 11:33:35 Meetup - 200 now officially according to live Israeli news. 500 at a minimum realistically judging by the insane things on social media. jergul large member Sat Oct 07 11:33:59 70 dead according to the latest reports. Israel has tons of shelters. Civilians will on the most part be fine. Go touch grass or something. Your hysteria is getting on my nerves. You have a memory disability, this was not even 24 hours ago.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Oct 08 07:23:56 "blatant dishonesty" lol :)
jergul large member	Sun Oct 08 07:25:52 You misidentified the target of the quotation. It was reserved posters being genocidal twats. Most of them have stepped back to reasonable expectations at this point. I am unsurprised that you always need to invent a victim little snowflake. Yes, the world is very hard on you :).
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Oct 08 07:26:38 I am sure there is a great explanation, like the one about the rural life thread. Commence the gas lighting, about how you were talking to someone else and not Asgard. As that will surely change something.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Oct 08 07:27:14 Called it.
Rugian Member	Sun Oct 08 07:31:26 "Most of them have stepped back to reasonable expectations at this point." I didn't step back on shit. My expectation is that Israel is going to kill a shitload of Palestinians; my hope is that they clense the entire population. Nice gaslighting by the way. You clearly thought you knew more about the situation than Asgard did.
jergul large member	Sun Oct 08 07:33:03 No one is impressed by your pseudo doxing Nimi. It just displays the flaws in the internet persona you have created. Real life nimi is a 1st generation immigrate desperate to fit in with the house, volvo, 2.2 children, an upstanding member of the shooting club, and a job at a government sponsored factory. With certain misgivings, sure. You are a first generation immigrant after all. Mostly expressed in the form of "OMG, LOL, Do you know what a woman at my work said today?" Dont get me wrong. It is not pathetic. You are merely human, doing the best you can. Your internet persona is something else again.
jergul large member	Sun Oct 08 07:34:24 Shitload? You supposedly have a university (or at least a college) degree. Quantify. What order of magnitude? Have the courage of your convictions :).
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Oct 08 07:34:49 "You misidentified the target of the quotation." It's my fault. Absolutely. Classic socialist protect group mentality. Society, my parents, my employer, people on UP, they all failed me! :,(
jergul large member	Sun Oct 08 07:38:12 You called it because you were blatantly dishonest. I was clear who I was talking about in many posts and have been nothing but civil with Asgard and have adopted what he has said. He and I have the same perspective. His with more authority of course, but the same perspective.
jergul large member	Sun Oct 08 07:39:15 You internet persona's blatant dishonesty is absolutely your fault. You should tweak it somewhat.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Oct 08 07:41:23 Jergul It's ok, I was not expecting anything other than incoherent projections. You are after all the descendants of a long line of cowards that deferred conflict and kept running away. Until you reach a frozen ocean and could run now more. And then the nordics came, and their take over of your land was so mild mannered, it beggars belief it was allowed to happen. Hej :) (they were smiling) we own this land now! Your ancestors looked at the ocean, looked at the Sweden and said: I guess you do. Not a single spear was chucked, not even a rock was thrown. Being a coward is in your genes.
jergul large member	Sun Oct 08 07:45:59 Hehe, imitation is the greatest form of compliment :) I coined that line of argument by counting back how many generations people of agrarian decent were predominately either slaves or serfs. Ergo, servility has been bred into them over the course of 80 generations. Happy days. I had a lot of fun with it. Perhaps write your own material, or at least credit me in the footnotes?
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Oct 08 07:46:58 The stoic LARP when confronted with atrocity and injustice, is thus not simply an internet thing in your case. It is a survival tactic that has been bred into you. Say your mother is raped by a Swede or your cousins are sterilized, normal human response is kinda what you see in Israel and Palestine. Burn down Rådhuset! It's not your fault.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Oct 08 07:50:19 "Hehe, imitation is the greatest form of compliment" That would be wrong as well. "I coined that line of argument by counting back how many generations people of agrarian decent were predominately either slaves or serfs." My great grand father was a land owner in Fars provice. He was responsible for quite a significant portion of Iran's opium production :) Please keep going, I love talking about myself :)
jergul large member	Sun Oct 08 07:51:59 Why thank you! "You are all selectively bred to be slaves or serfs" was indeed a fine and amusing argument. Warping pseudo-science (as people understand it) is always good for a laugh. I am glad you feel my thoughts worthy of imitation :).
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Oct 08 07:52:21 Add you did not coin that argument no. I taught you many years ago about the way pastoral nomads dealt with conflict, universally, having read studies about it.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Oct 08 07:52:48 Hey Jergul It's not your fault.
jergul large member	Sun Oct 08 07:55:24 You may want to review how biology works if you think 1:8th of something (even assuming he came from an unbroken line of powerbrokers in Iran. Unlikely unless of mongol stock) proves you do not predominantly decende from slave or serf.
jergul large member	Sun Oct 08 07:56:39 I coined the argument :). But whatever you need to believe to feel good about yourself is fine with me:). Your rich internal life belongs to you :).
Rugian Member	Sun Oct 08 07:57:00 ^ Hey UP, try reading these last several posts in isolation and then explain how they possibly relate to an Israel-Palestine thread. Lol
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Oct 08 07:58:08 "You may want to review how biology" I don't think the things you say, need to be reviewed. We should laugh at them, crack a few jokes etc. It's not your fault.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Oct 08 08:02:06 "Unlikely unless of mongol stock) proves you do not predominantly decende from slave or serf."¨ I don't think you understand logic. You are a coward, today, you are the contemporary manifestation of the cowardice in your ancestry. I am not making incoherent reference to things I have no clue about. You of course have no idea how much of what is in anybodies specific lineage. We know that you entire people behaved liked this , systematically. My people were all kinds of people doing all kinds of stuff.
jergul large member	Sun Oct 08 08:02:27 That is not the vibe you give off. You seem to care overmuch about what I have to say :). You know you are in trouble when Ruggy tells you to deal with your shit in PMs :).
jergul large member	Sun Oct 08 08:03:20 I understand the logic. I created it. You are merely copying it. But I will thank you for the compliment yet again :).
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Oct 08 08:04:00 But it's not your fault.
jergul large member	Sun Oct 08 08:07:35 Poor nimi. Or at least poor internet persona we call nimi :).
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Oct 08 08:14:45 "I understand the logic." Hmh, but clearly you don't. Everyone one in your very very small tribe, behaved like this, the coward effect is systematic. Even in your fantasy understanding of history, not everyone in agrarian societies was a serf. I come from the part of the world that invented urbanization, which included industry, art, science etc. What I am saying requires no assumptions for which I have no facts for about your specific lineage, because it effected you all, and you are manifesting it today, by projecting incoherent nonsense, repeating the same words over and over when I tell you to come and verify your theories about me in person. It's not your fault. "You seem to care overmuch about what I have to say :)." It's not your fault, because you are retarded, but I didn't say I don't "care", I find you amusing and the back and forth highly entertaining. To clarify, I said the things you says (specifically about science and biology) does not require us to review how that science works. We should laugh.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Oct 08 08:20:05 You are just not that clever Jergul. Academically or the street kind smarts required for shit posting. You are a guilty pleasure of mine, I admit. I don't take the same pride in these things as I would do say with someone that has a "publishing record" and holds a PhD from one of the best schools in the world. But as I have said repeatedly, I have my flaws.
jergul large member	Sun Oct 08 08:20:48 Nimi Repeating the same thing, but expecting a different outcome is a definition of insanity. Yawn, I know. I coined the line of argument you are now imitating. It was very drole back in the day and gave me many good laughs. Warping popular pseudo-science is often highly amusing.
jergul large member	Sun Oct 08 08:22:57 On that, we will have to agree to disagree. I am sometimes quite witty (recently - aborted featuses to explore interstellar space. Two birds, one stone). But there is no accounting for taste. Perhaps you did not find it witty :).
Rugian Member	Sun Oct 08 08:25:41 "But as I have said repeatedly, I have my flaws." Yes, we can't choose who we fall in love with for example You two make quite the old married couple with your bickering :p
jergul large member	Sun Oct 08 08:25:52 Aborted fetuses exploring interstellar space guided by physical manifestations of chat gpt* I would hate to leave out any details :)
jergul large member	Sun Oct 08 08:26:34 Ruggy Yes, I was waiting for a "get a room" comment. Yours is close enough :)
Rugian Member	Sun Oct 08 08:30:47 ANYWAY, back on topic: "Israeli cabinet formally declares war against Hamas From CNN's Amir Tal and Lauren Iszo The Israeli government formally declared war on Hamas on Sunday, setting the stage for a massive response against the Islamist militant group. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu already said Saturday the country was at war — but that declaration was rhetorical. Sunday’s move by the Israeli cabinet is an official decision, tantamount to a declaration of war by Congress in the United States. The war declaration was taken in accordance with Article 40 of Israel’s Basic Law, the Israeli government press office said. Israel does not have a written constitution, but its 13 Basic Laws serve a similar function. Netanyahu said before Sunday’s declaration that Israel would “take mighty vengeance” for the attack by Palestinian militants, while the country’s top military official in charge of activities in the Palestinian territories said after the attacks that Hamas has "opened the gates of hell." Israel has been pounding Gaza with airstrikes, which have killed more than 300 people. " http://www...aza-attack-10-08-23/index.html
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Oct 08 08:33:13 Rugian "Yes, we can't choose who we fall in love with for example" Hey, I am just giving the conclusions everyone else has made, material. I explore the depravity that is Jergul and lay out arguments and reasons, genetic and social. It is comprehensive review. Sure I can be lazy like you guys and just call him "crazy" and keep being "surprised" every-time he says crazy things. Or you can just read my posts and understand why he is acting all crazy. I care about the why question.
jergul large member	Sun Oct 08 08:33:46 I approve of that. It unmuddies things. Hamas militants are now recognized as combatants with specific rights. Warcrimes are still warcrimes, but normalization is good. The alternative was using anti-terror legislation that simply is not appropriate to the scale of combat.
jergul large member	Sun Oct 08 08:34:29 Let it go nimi. There will always be a chance to do that again later :).
jergul large member	Sun Oct 08 08:38:08 You could also view it as setting the stage for prisoner exchanges. It is way easier politically to exchange POW for POW than it is to exchange Terrorist for POW.
Rugian Member	Sun Oct 08 08:40:06 You and your insistence that Israel is going to take a conciliatory approach to Hamas. Ain't happening bro. Hamas' leadership are dead men walking, as is Gaza's automonous status.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Oct 08 08:42:31 I am all for doing it again, I just think we should do it face to face. Like an at an arms length, I want to test a theory, we both can test our theories, so technically it would be for science. Sleep on it.
jergul large member	Sun Oct 08 08:45:12 Ruggy I think total dead Palestinians will be less than 10k, and that ground actions will be limited to incursion (short term limited advances) and not total occupation. I am sure Israel will kill some of Hamas' leadership. Gaza's autonomous status has not existed for a long time. It has been a contained ghetto for years. Actual occupation would be costly and counter productive (occupation powers do have certain duties, occupations are hideously expensive, and a hamas leadership diaspora would not serve Israeli interests).
jergul large member	Sun Oct 08 08:45:50 Nimi Teasing you is hardly a science. So, no.
Rugian Member	Sun Oct 08 08:47:44 "I think total dead Palestinians will be less than 10k" You are high. The number will be (to use an academic term) a shitload. "occupation powers do have certain duties" Only if you care about keeping the populace alive.
Rugian Member	Sun Oct 08 08:47:54 Will you two just fuck already
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