Utopia Talk / Politics / Gaza: non mulieribus, non infantibus

Rugian Member	Sun Nov 05 16:44:41 "The [Gazans] being alarmed by the suddenness of the attack, were dislodged from the [city defenses], and drew up, in form of a wedge, in the market place and the open streets, with this intention that, if an attack should be made on any side, they should fight with their line drawn up to receive it. When they saw no one descending to the level ground, and the [Israelis] extending themselves along the entire [perimeter] in every direction, fearing lest every hope of flight should be cut off, they cast away their arms, and sought, without stopping, the most remote parts of the town. A part was then slain by the [Israeli] infantry when they were crowding upon one another in the narrow passage of the gates; and a part having got without the gates, were cut to pieces by the [tanks]: nor was there one who was anxious for the plunder. Thus, being excited by the massacre [of October 7] and the fatigue of the siege, they spared neither those worn out with years, women, or children. Finally, out of all that number, which amounted to about 40,000, scarcely 800 [Gazans], who fled from the town when they heard the first alarm, reached [their comrades] in safety."
Rugian Member	Sun Nov 05 16:45:04 Link to previous: http://uto...hread=92305&time=1699224214354
Paramount Member	Sun Nov 05 17:07:03 Gaza is winning http://youtu.be/wGRJmBpeaOE An Israeli official threatened to drop a nuclear bomb on Gaza. Man, Israel must have lost a whole lot of their fascist soldiers and tanks. Israel broke. Not only have they now admitted to that they have nuclear weapons they also express willingness to use them on the population in Gaza. The fascists in Israel are most experienced in attacking women and children, and not so much in an actual fight against an armed resistance force. This explains why Israel couldn’t defeat Hamas in 2006 and lost to Hezbollah in… was it 2014? and it explains why Israel is now threatening to drop a nuclear bomb on Gaza (as well as on Iran). It is because they can’t fight, unless it is against women and children and grandmothers.
obaminated Member	Sun Nov 05 17:12:03 I like how parafag doesn't even try to differentiate hamas from gaza now.
Paramount Member	Sun Nov 05 17:19:56 It is Israel who doesn’t differentiate between Hamas and Gaza. They say all of Gaza are Hamas and that all of Gaza must be wiped out.
Sam Adams Member	Sun Nov 05 19:32:09 "Can you stand in the middle of a freeway and wave a union flag?" Wtf? Who was talking about a freeways? Why are you always changing the subject?
Seb Member	Mon Nov 06 03:26:47 Sam: Well, you seem very upset that this guy is specifically not to stand on the other side of the barriers (i.e. in the middle of the goddamned road) down which a licensed event is due to take place, thereby obstructing the event. You think this is an issue of fundamental freedom, and that the right to wave the flag should mean other laws that night restrict where you can stand should be suspended. So it seems pertinent to ask "can you stand in a freeway in the US and wave a union flag?" Obviously it would be a travesty if god-fearing patriotic red blooded Americans were prevented from waving the flag of the country standing on foot in the middle of a freeway. So I'm presuming it's allowed in the US right? It is allowed right?
Paramount Member	Mon Nov 06 07:03:40 It is now confirmed. Holocaust survivor says that Israel is 1000 times worse than Hamas. http://youtu.be/400L2VvbNxs
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Nov 06 07:41:27 It's weird, but some people have fantasies about getting raped.
obaminated Member	Mon Nov 06 10:26:55 It's one of the most common fantasies for a girl I believe. They don't actually want to feel raped. But they want to feel powerless and helpless with someone they know won't actually hurt them. Also sex while asleep. It's an oddly high amount of women who have told me, unprompted, that if they pass out It's okay for me to have sex with them. I have never taken them up on it cause it's not my thing, but i guess some girls like it.
Rugian Member	Mon Nov 06 11:03:28 "Can you stand in the middle of a freeway and wave a union flag?" No. Only Extinction Rebellion and Just Stop Oil are allowed to protest in the freeway.
Sam Adams Member	Mon Nov 06 11:17:06 "thereby obstructing the event." A) not a freeway B) its ok for your imported terrorists and leftists to block roads, but not anyone else. Lol seb.
Paramount Member	Mon Nov 06 11:45:43 ” [rape] It's one of the most common fantasies for a girl I believe.” – Obaminated, monday 6 november 2023
obaminated Member	Mon Nov 06 11:47:27 I guess we all knew parafag was a cuck who doesn't know his way around women. http://pub...vorite%20fantasy%20experience.
obaminated Member	Mon Nov 06 11:50:43 So. 30 to 57% of women have rape fantasies. I don't think 30 to 57% of men fantasize about raping women, lol.
obaminated Member	Mon Nov 06 11:53:17 Unless they are Muslim men or Swedish cucks who get off on imaging power they don't really have.
Paramount Member	Mon Nov 06 12:14:21 So that woman who went half naked towards the border where Hamas is at. Are you saying she fantasized about being raped? The chance is 57% that she had those fantasies?
obaminated Member	Mon Nov 06 12:28:36 " one of the most common fantasies for a girl I believe. They don't actually want to feel raped. But they want to feel powerless and helpless with someone they know won't actually hurt them." Lol and parafag still doesn't understand it. Incel.
Cherub Cow Member	Mon Nov 06 17:25:01 This may have been covered already, but the Palestinian death toll passed 10,000: "Gaza death toll tops 10,000; UN calls it a children's graveyard" [Reuters; November 6th, 2023; by Nidal Al-Mughrabi] http://www...ire-calls-rebuffed-2023-11-06/ Current ratio is about 1400:10000 or 1.4 Israelies to 10 Palestinians, though the counts aren't great obviously.
Sam Adams Member	Mon Nov 06 22:27:47 Israel traditionally needs 10:1 before even thinking of a ceasefire but this time i think they need to go bigger. Dunno if we break the 6 figure value.
obaminated Member	Mon Nov 06 22:27:48 Enough about rape fantasies. Military commanders of hamas and fatah gunned down in the west bank. http://archive.ph/VBank Video of the incident. http://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/17p7mfx/better_footage_of_the_israeli_special_forces/ I don't think the Israeli special forces wanted to take them alive.
Rugian Member	Tue Nov 07 07:04:17 1.5 million Gazans are displaced per the (Jew-hating). That's like 3/4s of the entire population. Since they're on the move already...allow me to suggest to them that Egypt and Italy are lovely this time of year.
Rugian Member	Tue Nov 07 07:04:35 (Jew hating) UN.
Rugian Member	Tue Nov 07 07:12:39 Obaminated What a horrific video that is. Israelis brutally murdering more innocent Palestinian civilian children. The Jews even stole that automatic weapon that those poor kids were going to sell to pay for their mom's heart medication. Savages.
Sam Adams Member	Tue Nov 07 20:04:44 UN accidently admits hamas built tunnels under their UN buildings. Ooops. http://x.com/UNRWA/status/1721844134502183394?s=20
Allahuakbar Member	Wed Nov 08 03:51:55 As a teenager I liked songs like Smoke on the water, Allah was already guiding me so many years ago http://www...claim-hamas-attack-1234871588/ Roger Waters, in classic Roger Waters fashion, suggested he’s not ready to rule out the possibility that Hamas’ Oct. 7 attack on Israel might’ve been a “false flag operation” during a recent interview with Glenn Greenwald. During the conversation, Waters couched his discussions of the attack — during which Hamas militants killed more than 1,4000 people, many unarmed civilians, and took hundreds of hostages — in heavy speculation. For instance, he said his initial reaction to Oct. 7 was, “let’s wait and see what happened,” and that his second was: “How the hell did the Israelis not know this was going to happen? And I’m still a little it down that rabbit hole.” A few moments later, Waters offered a peak down said rabbit hole when he raised the unfounded possibility of a false flag attack. “What we do know is, whether it was a false flag operation or not, or whatever, or whatever happened, and whatever story we’re going to get to — and we don’t know if we’re ever going to get much of the real story. It’s very, it’s always hard to tell what actually happened.” Waters, of course, has been a longtime supporter of Palestine and a vociferous critic of Israel, and over the years, his anti-Zionism and support of causes like the Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions (BDS) movement have led to claims that he is antisemitic. Waters has always rejected these accusations, largely on the grounds that anti-Zionism should not be conflated with antisemitism and that doing so is a way of stifling legitimate criticism of Israel and its treatment of Palestinians. Nevertheless, Waters has arguably undercut his advocacy with language and gestures that nod to offensive tropes, stereotypes, and conspiracy theories about Jews. He’s taken flak for wearing Nazi-esque costumes on stage and performing next to flying inflatable pigs emblazoned with the Star of David and other religious symbols (though both fascist costumery and flying pigs do have old Pink Floyd roots). He’s also casually thrown around words like “cabal” when discussing early European Jewish settlers arriving in the Israel-Palestine region, and recently, several former collaborators, including The Wall producer Bob Ezrin, accused Waters of making antisemitic comments.
Allahuakbar Member	Wed Nov 08 05:25:58 Why we Muslims will win against Isreel: ERDOGAN! If you don't believe it then take note that the tweet was made by all knowing expert Douglas Macgregor, what he says has always become true. http://twitter.com/DougAMacgregor/status/1721691880696512621 Douglas Macgregor@DougAMacgregor Turkish soldiers will eventually fight in Gaza. Erdoğan is sensitive to timing, he is mobilizing the country. This is going to happen, it's a mistake to dismiss him. Erdoğan is the one man in Middle East with the capability to destroy Israel. Pay Attention!
Seb Member	Wed Nov 08 06:25:27 Sam: Or it has a basement. There's a tendency to think Israeli intelligence is omniscient. There's a good example where it's very well documented they blew up a hospital because it had an underground rocket launcher, only it was actually an water tank. On account of the shitty infrastructure and constant interruption in power to water pumps. There's also strong evidence that Israel is actually deliberately destroying housing with no hamas footprint as part of an ethnic cleansing objective.
Rugian Member	Wed Nov 08 06:49:32 This fucking cunt just went full pro-terrorist: "Secretary of State Antony Blinken said that the only way to ensure that the war between Israel and Hamas comes to a permanent end is to begin setting conditions for a peace process, adding that the Group of Seven foreign ministers agreed there must not be a reduction in Gazan territory following the conflict. Speaking to reporters in Tokyo, where he attended the G-7 ministerial meeting, Blinken warned against the forcible displacement of Palestinians from Gaza, now or after the conflict ends. He said that other key elements to securing a successful peace process are to ensure Gaza isn't used as a platform for terrorism or other violent attacks, and any new government there must be led by Palestinians. He stressed that Gaza shouldn’t be occupied nor should a blockade be imposed upon it or its territory reduced. "We must also work on the affirmative elements to get to a sustained peace," he said. "This must include the Palestinian people's voices and aspirations at the center of post-crisis governance in Gaza.”" http://www...e-process-UmlXqtKLjudz3nZTEcbu Obama really is still acting as president behind the scenes.
Paramount Member	Wed Nov 08 06:59:59 ” This fucking cunt just went full pro-terroris” Blinken and many others should be hanged for aiding and abetting genocide. One state with equal rights for all is the way to go.
Paramount Member	Wed Nov 08 07:39:49 ” Turkish soldiers will eventually fight in Gaza” Let’s hope so. Sir MacGregor has also said that Pakistan will supply Turkey with nuclear weapons whenever Turkey says they need them.
Rugian Member	Wed Nov 08 11:48:07 Israel gave a several-hour window for civilians to flee Gaza City. Everyone still there after this point can be assumed to be an enemy combatant.
Sam Adams Member	Wed Nov 08 11:53:17 "Or it has a basement." Those are under the building, seb. Nnot out in the street. Lol.
obaminated Member	Wed Nov 08 14:40:13 Yeah, seb is flailing.
Rugian Member	Wed Nov 08 14:59:50 Are you guys ready for this? "IDF says it destroyed Hamas tunnel next to UNRWA school in Gaza" http://www...-next-to-unrwa-school-in-gaza/
Sam Adams Member	Thu Nov 09 00:44:02 Lol unrwa is basically hamas. http://x.com/PamelaFitzPJP/status/1722277511210447126?s=20 Seb youve imported way too many shitbrained muslums. Is it true london is now only 37% white?
Seb Member	Thu Nov 09 04:29:38 Sam: Not true. Often municipal buildings have a larger footprint. No reason it couldn't be going under that paved forecourt. Especially if it's got a cistern.
Seb Member	Thu Nov 09 04:31:57 Also that second picture looks like it's a courtyard between the buildings. That's exactly the kind of area that would be dug down and then paved over to hold plant, storage space etc.
Allahuakbar Member	Thu Nov 09 06:51:11 Everyone who supports Isreeel has to pay the price!!! http://www...-gaza-spread-coca-cola-nescafe Protests against Israel in Turkey are growing as the Turkish Parliament, several universities and local municipalities joined the boycott against major multinational brands over their alleged support of Israel’s war against Hamas. Turkey’s parliament stopped its cafeterias from selling products made by multinational companies this week, claiming that they support “Israeli aggression.” Parliament speaker Numan Kurtulmus announced the decision in Turkey’s Black Sea region, calling on citizens to follow suit. “We will not use any products of the companies that support the Israeli aggression that are used in the Turkish Grand National Assembly. We will not buy them from now on, and we will scrap those products that we had already bought,” Kurtulmus was quoted as saying by the state-run Anadolu News Agency. Kurtulmus stopped short of naming brands, but Coca-Cola and Nescafe products were removed from the parliament’s restaurant and cafeterias. The news was first reported by the independent news outlet T24. Neither Kurtulmus nor his office, which also issued a statement confirming the boycott, provided an explanation of how these brands were supporting Israel's actions in Gaza. The Turkey offices of Coca-Cola and Nestle could not be reached for comment. Last month Nestle said it temporarily closed one of its plants in Israel as a "precaution" in response to the war.
Rugian Member	Thu Nov 09 09:50:07 "Israeli actress Gal Gadot’s controversial screening of footage from the Oct. 7 slaughter by Hamas terrorists sparked multiple wild fights in Los Angeles late Wednesday. Police officers were already out in force around the ironically named Museum of Tolerance for the “Wonder Woman” actress’s screening of “Bearing Witness to the October 7th Massacre,” which uses Israel Defense Forces footage. Even so, wild videos posted online showed people waving Israeli flags and brawling in the streets with pro-Palestinian protesters — kicking and punching one another. Police formed a skirmish line in an effort to control the unruly crowd — and ultimately used pepper spray, according to ABC 7. Several people were seen being detained late Wednesday, though it remains unclear whether anybody was arrested or faces charges." http://nyp...ning-of-gal-gadots-hamas-film/ Protesting the viewing of footage of Hamas committing acts of unspeakable barbarity should get you flagged as an enemy of Western Civilization and not fit to live here.
Sam Adams Member	Thu Nov 09 09:50:14 http://www...-7-prior-knowledge-attack.html CNN employee participated in hamas attack on israel. The link between libs and hamas runs deep.
Sam Adams Member	Thu Nov 09 09:52:03 "That's exactly the kind of area that would be dug down and then paved over to hold plant, storage space etc." Unlikely. Its likely a hamas tunnel and you know it.
Sam Adams Member	Thu Nov 09 10:20:12 NYT reuters and AP also participated in the attacks. http://m.jpost.com/middle-east/article-772410
murder Member	Thu Nov 09 11:41:15 There's nothing wrong with journalist riding along with an attacking force. It seemed like every damn unit had a journalist embedded during the Iraq war. As long as they are just recording the event.
Seb Member	Thu Nov 09 13:22:37 Sam: Why unlikely? Israel has form in deliberately blowing up infrastructure to make the area more difficult to live in, and a cabinet full of people that have said they want to use the conflict to cleanse the Gaza strip of Palestinians. There are now several irrefutable cases where the most charitable explanation is that have mistakenly well documented underground structures as part of Hamas's tunnel network. It seems more likely to me that these were part of the UNWARA building than that a UN agency with international staff was secretly hosting a HAMAS command centre, or that HAMAS had managed to build extensive shallow tunnels in the courtyard of a multi story concrete building which undoubtedly has extensive concrete foundations.
Seb Member	Thu Nov 09 13:23:53 Hate to say it Sam, but govts lie. Showing a cartoon picture of what a bunker might look like if it existed under a hospital isn't any more convincing than the CGI mockups of mobile bioweapon labs.
Sam Adams Member	Fri Nov 10 09:34:53 http://x.com/ElanderNews/status/1722957775309787230?s=20 Sebs people being told not to wear military uniforms on veterans day since it might offend muslums. "Why unlikely?" Because gaza is full of hamas tunnels and the majority of basements are directly underneath buildings. Odds seb, odds.
Rugian Member	Fri Nov 10 10:08:10 "Netanyahu says IDF will control Gaza after war, rejects idea of international force" http://www...ely-on-an-international-force/ Excellent
Sam Adams Member	Fri Nov 10 11:02:23 New respect for fetterman: A bunch of retarded sjws chanting in support of hamas, get arrested. Fetterman walks by waving an israeli flag and laughing at them Ahaha pwnt. http://x.com/VetsAboutFace/status/1722784193107599503?s=20
Rugian Member	Fri Nov 10 11:28:24 ^ credit where it's due, that was unusually based of him. Meanwhile though, piece of shit Blinken is again simping for the terrorists: http://www...palestinian-civilians-in-gaza/ Blaming Israel for "civilian" deaths is so backwards. Hamas is responsible for every civilian being killed, not Israel.
Sam Adams Member	Fri Nov 10 11:39:23 Yup. The cucking for terrorists was going to show up eventually. Its an integral part of most democrats. Has been, even during 9/11. Anyway a number of mass shootings just occured of palestinians trying to flee. Hamas was desperate to keep their human shields around.
Seb Member	Fri Nov 10 11:49:33 Sam: So you believe Hamas built a tunnel under the concrete foundations of an UNWARA building central courtyard? Bad odds on that.
Seb Member	Fri Nov 10 11:50:22 "Sebs people being told not to wear military uniforms on veterans day since it might offend muslums" You made up the last part.
Seb Member	Fri Nov 10 12:38:57 Lol. Sam, you numpty. Did you read the message? It says the Thornbury cadets are marching in Leeds rather than Bradford (and that cadets attending the Bradford event as civilians should not wear uniform, which is probably about uniform policy).
Seb Member	Fri Nov 10 12:41:23 Sam is so scared of Muslims he will believe absolutely anything. You tell him that the Muslims are sneaking into his house at night and replacing all his beef with halal cuts to slowly Muslimate him, and he will empty his fridge and sit up at night with a shotgun waiting for them.
Sam Adams Member	Fri Nov 10 16:48:39 http://unh...ger-safe-on-britains-campuses/ Jews not safe in uk
Sam Adams Member	Fri Nov 10 16:52:03 "So you believe Hamas built a tunnel under the concrete foundations of an UNWARA building" Obviously they built many such tunnels. Gaza is a litteral maze of those tunnels. UNWRA probably helped. "to slowly Muslimate him" Ok that was funny. Too bad the rest of your posts are daft.
Rugian Member	Sat Nov 11 04:55:59 More moderate Palestinian supporters: "Hundreds of anti-Israel protesters calling for the elimination of the Jewish state stormed Grand Central Terminal Friday night, furiously banging and kicking at a locked entrance of the station that was forced to temporarily close over the rowdy demonstration. The mob was part of a “Flood Manhattan for Gaza” protest that initially converged on Columbus Circle earlier in the evening, where they set fire to an Israeli flag and taunted a small faction of counter-demonstrators before marching through Manhattan and splattering fake blood on the New York Times building. “We don’t want a Jewish state. We want ‘48!” the anti-Israel protesters chanted at the starting point, referring to Palestine before the establishment of Israel. “Settlers, settlers go back home! Palestine is ours alone!” the crowd yelled. “It is right to rebel. Israel, go to Hell!” others chanted. Across the street stood a small group of Israel supporters. Bergen County resident Gregory Jachts, 56, said he found it “offensive that they’re here chanting for the elimination of Israel.” They were chanting from the river to the sea and that calls for the elimination of Israel and the genocide of the Jews,” said Jachts, who is not Jewish but has family in Israel. Several protesters confronted a pro-Israel woman who held her hand over her mouth trying to fight back tears as an NYPD officer spoke to her. “Cry b—h, cry!” one masked man yelled at the distraught woman and a handful of other pro-Israel demonstrators from behind a police barricade. “You Zionist motherf—ers!” he said before police pushed him along. “Y’all got no f—-g support! F–k you! I’ll f–k you up if I see you!” a Palestinian supporter yelled to another pro-Israel protester before police told him to move. The roughly 2,000 demonstrators marched eastward on 59th Street from Columbus Circle and plastered stickers reading “Zionism is terrorism,” and “Israel is committing genocide in Gaza!” on the windows and doors of the Dior store on 5th Avenue. The demonstrators projected messages “Palestine will be free,” “Cease apartheid,” “Cease funding Israel,” and “Cease Imperialism” on the Museum of Modern Art building before heading towards Times Square. The group turned south and raged at two different Starbucks stores on 6th Avenue and Madison Avenue, prompting workers to lock the doors at one location. “Shut it down! Shut it down!” they screamed as patrons and employees looked on. You make drinks for genocide! You make drinks for genocide!” others yelled. Some left pro-Palestinian stickers on the windows as a large group of cops stood in front of the door. They then splattered fake blood on the iconic New York Times building, where hundreds of Pro-Palestinian protesters took over on Thursday. “F–k New York Times!” the crowd chanted. “Zionist media. That’s the Zionist media. I see you again, b—h!” a Palestine supporter yelled at a journalist before cops separated them. Go the f–k back where you came from! You feel a certain way? Go back to where the f–k you came from!” a frustrated passerby told a Palestinian supporter outside of the Times building. The march continued to Grand Central Terminal, where protesters tried to force their way inside the locked doors. “1,2, 3,4! Open up the central doors!” they yell at cops who stood inside behind barricades. Some protesters ripped up posters showing missing hostages. A protester kicked one door in, cracking the glass. Another one hit a door with the tip of a flagpole. Scores of police surrounded the terminal and ordered the crowd — which had dwindled to a few hundred — to disperse. Entrances to Grand Central were closed Friday night because of the demonstration. Pro-Palestinian protesters shut down the train station during a demonstration last month where more than 300 people were arrested. At least one man was seen being arrested Friday night near Lexington Avenue and 43rd Street by several police officers as protesters berated the cops. “NYPD, KKK, IDF! They’re all the same!” the crowd jeered at the cops. Police confirmed that multiple people were taken into custody but did not have a final tally. http://nyp...ke-blood-on-ny-times-building/
Seb Member	Sat Nov 11 08:25:08 Sam: "Yet the recent attacks on Jewish students are as striking for their ferocity as their sheer volume. In Bristol, a Jewish student was told: “You and your family are money grabbing cunts murdering Muslim people.” Another in Birmingham received an Instagram message from a stranger, warning: “May a slow and painful death be granted to you and every other Zionist like you.” A university rabbi also received a direct message on the platform: “You massacred innocent Muslims — I hope you die too.” In Warwick, a Jewish students’ WhatsApp group was infiltrated by at least three different people bombarding freshers with messages — shown to me — including “FUCKING DIRTY JEWISH CUNTS”, “ISREAL [sic] GOT NO HUMANITY FUCKIN CUNNTS [sic]”, “MUDWRING [sic] BASTARDS” and “FREE PALASTINE [sic]”." Oh no Sam, you've told me for years this is perfectly fine, its just people being mean and rude, and calling it unsafe is something only snowflakes do?
Seb Member	Sat Nov 11 08:26:59 Meanwhile, a bunch of Sam's and Rugian's stormed the cenotaph today, on armistice Day, shouting racist abuse at police as they did so (of the kind Sam has just cited as insane unsafe and threatening). The ceasefire march was miles away.
Average Ameriacn Member	Sat Nov 11 08:38:16 Why does Seb talk so bad of British patriots? http://twitter.com/lowles_nick/status/1723305630780293257
Rugian Member	Sat Nov 11 08:55:59 Apparently shouting "England" and "Live Brittania" is racist now. Thanks for clarifying that Seb. Makes sense though given that you are literally not allowed to fly a Union Jack at these events (al Qaeda flags are acceptable though, of course).
Paramount Member	Sat Nov 11 09:43:52 Israel has now started to murder babies in incubators at al-Shifa hospital. The al-Shifa hospital has now run out of fuel due to Israel’s fuel, electricity, food and medicine embargo. Patients at the hospital has now stsrted to die and among them a baby in an incubator. Do you all remember when the US made up the excuse that Iraqis murdered babies in incubators, in order to bomb Iraq in 1991? Now it has really happened. But not by Iraqis, by Jews. Time to bomb the fascist genocidal baby-murdering Israel.
Seb Member	Sat Nov 11 12:10:55 Rugian: Shouting "Fucking pakis, you're not English anymore" is though. In any case they physically attacked the police, and disrupted the commemoration of our war dead.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Nov 11 12:23:37 Inshallah they will be punished with severity.
Sam Adams Member	Sat Nov 11 13:15:14 "Meanwhile, a bunch of Sam's and Rugian's stormed the cenotaph today, on armistice Day, shouting racist abuse at police as they did so" So the weeks of racist abuse from muslums against jews was ok, but the moment white men do it, seb gets all butthurt. Rofl.
Sam Adams Member	Sat Nov 11 13:19:06 http://x.com/PaulHook_em/status/1723399206574989340?s=20 Lol
Sam Adams Member	Sat Nov 11 13:22:49 London has had terrorist-supporting rallies by mass numbers of muslums for a month. Police have done almost nothing. The moment white men organized a counterprotest, london police attacked it. Amazing.
murder Member	Sat Nov 11 13:25:13 There's heavy fighting around at least two hospitals in Gaza. I have no idea who the Israelis are fighting there since we know that Hamas doesn't use hospitals as bases of operation.
murder Member	Sat Nov 11 13:26:00 The Israelis are probably trading fire with the newborns in the incubators.
Sam Adams Member	Sat Nov 11 15:23:39 Sebs incompetent police finally got around to arresting a small fraction of the pro-hamas crowd.
Rugian Member	Sat Nov 11 15:34:18 Today on Who Gives A Fuck: "The Biden administration has received stark warnings from American diplomats in the Arab world that its strong support for Israel’s destructive and deadly military campaign in Gaza “is losing us Arab publics for a generation,” according to a diplomatic cable obtained by CNN." http://amp...rn-middle-east-fury/index.html
murder Member	Sat Nov 11 16:11:17 Yeah ... apparently the Iraq war didn't do it, but this will. ;o)
Sam Adams Member	Sat Nov 11 16:15:49 If the arab public wants to stand with palestine, so be it. We'll add their cities to the list.
Seb Member	Sat Nov 11 16:39:00 Sam: Nope, as I've said, I support people being arrested for hate crimes. However, when people are marching otherwise peacefully then it's disproportionate and dangerous to send officers into a crowd to try and arrest people for a non violent crime when they can be identified and arrested later, as has been the case with these marches. On the other hand, when Sams and Rugians turn up to the cenotaph on armistice day, many armed, walk straight to to a police officer, commit a crime *against the police officers* and physically attack them, operationally it's pretty obvious that you can just arrest them on the spot. You, on the other hand, need to explain why when the target of race hatred is brown people and the perpetrators are white people, you say this is a thought crime, and describe it as "saying mean things", but when the reverse is true you scream for arrests.
Seb Member	Sat Nov 11 16:43:36 Sam, arrests for hate crime committed by some of those supporting Hamas happened from pretty much the day of the first march. But pretty much non of those marching in protest against Israel have physically attacked the police. They've been peaceful. The Sam's and Rugian's attacked police, committed vandalism against our most important war memorial on armistice day. You were calling for BLM protestors that graffitied walls to be met with lethal force by unidentified law officers. Yet here you are, crying tears for the actual fucking National Front who are actual fascists attacking the UK equivalent of a veterans Day ceremony at Arlington national cemetery.
Sam Adams Member	Sat Nov 11 23:53:15 "Sam, arrests for hate crime committed by some of those supporting Hamas happened from pretty much the day of the first march." No, they obviously did not, otherwise the UK prime minister wouldnt have needed to publicly call out the london police.
Sam Adams Member	Sat Nov 11 23:54:10 Gazans=nazis. Palestinians say so themselves. Lulz. http://x.com/Natsecjeff/status/1723571328668561521?s=20
Sam Adams Member	Sun Nov 12 01:16:48 The palestinians and their far left supporters were so happy and proud and excited. Now look at them, merely a month later, melting down, full of despair, crying and begging for help.
Seb Member	Sun Nov 12 02:42:16 Sam: His "need" is more related to the fact that this week the inquiry into the govts handling of COVID heard how the then Chancellor held up the response in a number of ways, and how his signature "Eat out to help out" contributed to the second wave and was pushed through against objections from public health officials, contrary to claims at the time. The fact that the peace march was overwhelmingly peaceful, had no violence associated with it, s to started after and went nowhere near rememberance events; while the far right "counter protest" saw violence against the police, disruption of the memorial services, and have been cited by the police as preventing them taking stronger action against hate crimes (crimes, I remind you, that you have long said should be decriminalised) demonstrates just how unnecessary his intervention was.
Allahuakbar Member	Sun Nov 12 04:30:05 London police is looking for people who use their freedom of speech: http://twitter.com/metpoliceuk/status/1723462648577081629
Allahuakbar Member	Sun Nov 12 04:34:21 Erdogan says it like it is: Isreeel should not be at all! http://www...st-Humanity-20231110-0005.html "Israel has been trying to build a state for 75 years on lands plundered from the Palestinian people," Erdogan recalled, highlighting that Zionist legitimacy "is being questioned due to its own fascism."
Rugian Member	Sun Nov 12 08:41:08 Allies of Hamas are indoctrination first graders: "Two teachers have been removed from a Los Angeles area charter school located at a synagogue after teaching a lesson to first graders about “genocide in Palestine,” according to school officials. The teachers were ousted from the classroom — but not fired — from the Citizens of the World Charter School, which has classrooms at Adat Ari El Synagogue in the San Fernando Valley, KTLA reported. Senior Rabbi Brian Schuldenfrei told reporters at a press conference on Friday that tensions at the school first emerged after “certain teachers” reached out to the school’s principal about Israeli flags hoisted around campus following Hamas’ Oct. 7 surprise attack on Israel. “I know that this is a time to hold your community close, and perhaps the flags are intended for that – but do you know how long they will be up?” the principal, Hye-Won Gehring, emailed Schuldenrei after the teachers asked when they would be removed. He later learned that the same teachers who complained about the flags had taught a “human rights” lesson to first graders at the school — and posted about it online. “After the lesson, one of the teachers proudly shared on Instagram, and I quote, ‘LOL but I did a lesson on the genocide in Palestine today w my first graders…,’” Schuldenfrie said. “The teacher went on to boast: ‘My fav was a kid who was like ‘What if they just gave the land back to Palestine and find somewhere else to live.” The teacher added a heart emoji to the end of the post, he added. http://nyp...s-about-genocide-in-palestine/
BigDickNegro Member	Sun Nov 12 09:29:11 Thinkin a lot bout tis http://twi...us/1723373060567245172/photo/1
Allahuakbar Member	Sun Nov 12 12:20:48 No climate justice on occupied land! No climate justice on occupied land! No climate justice on occupied land! http://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1723753732955943040
Sam Adams Member	Sun Nov 12 12:42:16 "just how unnecessary his intervention was." You were letting 100s of palestinians chant "death to jews" in the streets.
Rugian Member	Sun Nov 12 12:47:25 Yeah, I like Seb's argument that "they were all being peaceful!" when the entire reason for the protests in the first place is to call for the genocide of Israel. It's amazing how quickly and ruthlessly the UK cracks down on white supremacists, but it has absolutely no balls when it comes to Islamic bigotry.
Rugian Member	Sun Nov 12 13:11:19 "“Million Man March” for Palestine protesters in London attacked a man holding a sign comparing Hamas to ISIS for their atrocities on civilians. People holding messages critical of Hamas are often targeted at these demonstrations." http://twi...7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Rugian Member	Sun Nov 12 13:11:57 "“Death to all the Jews!” As the “Million Man March” for Palestine demonstrators protested in & around Victoria Station in London on #ArmisticeDay, they clashed with people walking by. One woman called for all Jews to die." http://twi...7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Seb Member	Sun Nov 12 15:40:36 Sam: "ou were letting 100s of palestinians chant "death to jews" in the streets." There have been only a handful of individuals recorded in the media doing this, over four weeks of protest. The estimated number of marchers was over 300,000 this weekend And you have described people saying death to Muslims as "saying rude words" and ridiculed the use of criminal law enforcement. Now you say it is necessary. But in the end, all it did was encourage a bunch of actual fascists to attack our most important memorials. Something that in the last you've been agitated about. Sam, you are so full of shit.
Seb Member	Sun Nov 12 15:44:14 Rugian: "when the entire reason for the protests in the first place is to call for the genocide of Israel." They are calling for a ceasefire "As the “Million Man March” for Palestine demonstrators protested in & around Victoria Station" The PCS march did not pass by Victoria station. The event you show is one woman, after the march.
Sam Adams Member	Sun Nov 12 18:14:01 "They are calling for a ceasefire" Same thing. Telling israel they cannot defend themselves is saying you want israel to be wiped out. "There have been only a handful of individuals" Obvious lie is obvious. "And you have described people saying death to Muslims as "saying rude words" and ridiculed the use of criminal law enforcement." Muslims an jews are not equal.
Rugian Member	Mon Nov 13 01:18:43 Seb How can you be this willfully ignorant? People who chant "from the river to the sea" are not advocates for peace. Neither are those who fly al Qaeda flags, or proclaim "death to all Jews." You trying to draw up some moral equivalency by spotlighting a single right-wing rally just shows how morally bankrupt you are. Maybe *a* guy or two shouted something racist there...but that's nothing compared to the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people who have openly spouted anti-Jewish statements in the last month. You want a ceasefire? Fine. Israel will agree to a ceasefire after it kills every last member of Hamas and permanently occupies Gaza in order to prevent another 10/7. Arguing that they can't do that, that they can't engage in acts of self-defense that every other country on the planet is entitled to partake in, makes you anti-Semitic.
Seb Member	Mon Nov 13 01:41:26 Sam: A few massive leaps of logic there which are frankly beneath comment. Suffice it to say the marchers predominantly don't share your assumptions or conclusions about what a ceasefire means and the outcome would be. It is as reasonable as saying that by opposing a ceasefire you support genocide of Palestinians. "Obvious lie is obvious" Obvious truth is obvious. Despite intense media scrutiny, four marches, with several hundred thousand people each, there have only been a handful of individuals that have been caught in camera engaged in anything approaching a hate crime. If it was widespread you wouldn't have every UK tabloid, broadsheet and broadcaster using the same handful of photographs that you also see on social media. "Muslims an jews are not equal" If course they are.
Seb Member	Mon Nov 13 01:51:17 Rugian: I strongly disagree with the use of that phrase. However it is very clear given the interrogation of people using it that most people using it do not consider it to mean the maximalist claim to territory that the Tankies who came up with it intended to be implied. It's a dogwhistle. It's also a phrase used by Likud and predecessors with respect to Israeli territorial demanda since before 1967 and during the Oslo process when you have claimed they were committed to a peace process. "Neither are those who fly al Qaeda flags, or proclaim "death to all Jews." And how many of the 300,000 that marched on Saturday do you have documented doing either of those? "Israel will agree to a ceasefire after it kills every last member of Hamas and permanently occupies Gaza in order to prevent another 10/7." To achieve that it is now clear it will need to kill many hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians using their current tactics and strategy. Which is why people are calling for a ceasefire. The issue isn't that they can't engage in self-defence - it is that they aren't simply engaging in self defence. There's now ample evidence of them pursuing ethnic cleansing, a policy that several cabinet members have openly called for in recent days.
Seb Member	Mon Nov 13 01:53:51 I point again that that that are caught on camera engaging in hate crimes are pursued by the police and arrested under the very laws you have opposed for years, but now want to use to strip the rights of hundreds of thousands of people to protest peacefully and lawfully. Rugian, it's really clear you have no particular ideological commitment to liberty - you are just a little fascist.
Seb Member	Mon Nov 13 03:26:58 Well Sunak sacked Braverman so presumably Sam believes that this shows her language stoked up the right wing violence we saw, otherwise why would he have had need to sack her?
Paramount Member	Mon Nov 13 07:13:57 Suella Braverman is married to a Zionist jew. Her fascist husband likely told her to say that thing that got her sacked. Zionist and people who are married to or otherwise related to Zionists, or hold Zionist views in general, should not be allowed to be part of a government.
Rugian Member	Mon Nov 13 08:01:10 Seb Then at best, the people using that phrase are ridiculously stupid. Taken literally, FROM the river TO the sea rather strongly suggests a territory that encompasses the modern state of Israel. Whatever the founders of that phrase intended for it to mean, in current usage it very easily can be (and is) interpreted as a call to destroy Israel and its people. To claim that Israel shares Hamas' appetite for genociding its enemies is nonsense. Israel's "genocide" of Palestinians is so inefficient that the latter have some of the highest population growth rates in the world. Clearly, any mazimilist rhetoric used in Israel is not being put into practice. Some protesters I'm sure are generally just naive pacifists. But too many of these rallies have prominently featured out and out hate speech. If white nationalists put out even a 1/10th of this spectacle, it'd be an international scandal. A ceasefire at this point is tantamount to an Israeli failure. That's why Israel isn't entertaining one. Israel is not killing civilians, it is defending itself against Hamas. Hamasa using civilians as human shields means those deaths are on them, not Israel. They can always fight Israel on open terrain if they prefer to minimize casualties. How are you supposed to defend yourself against a population that fundamentally denies your right to exist? That is the dilemma Israel faces. Deny it all you want, the Palestinian people *at large* are the problem. Getting rid of Hamas won't cure their hatred of Israel. Until they change that, occupation is the only answer.
Rugian Member	Mon Nov 13 08:01:45 Congrats on getting David Cameron back, by the way. Sunak seems hellbent on making sure that no conservatives vote Conservative next year.
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