Utopia Talk / Politics / guess the race... ceo version

Sam Adams Member	Wed Dec 04 10:58:14 Assination of top healthcare ceo. Leftist who wants to kill ceos? Russian causing trouble? Organized crime links? Crazed antivaxxer? Palestinian terrorist? Normal person fed up with denied healthcare bs?
Paramount Member	Wed Dec 04 10:59:57 Zionist false flag attack?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Dec 04 11:10:30 i'll guess a family member of a dead person screwed over by their health insurance plan & go w/ white
murder Member	Wed Dec 04 11:52:52 "Normal person fed up with denied healthcare bs" I'll go with that one ... even though statistics say that it's more likely to be a relative or a lover.
murder Member	Wed Dec 04 11:53:12 Oh ... and white.
jergul large member	Wed Dec 04 12:08:41 Disgruntled customer. Almost certainly. And white.
murder Member	Wed Dec 04 13:43:40 Looks white ... http://www...-brian-thompson-new-york#img-2
Cherub Cow Member	Wed Dec 04 23:23:50 For reference: "Police Hunt for Gunman After UnitedHealthcare C.E.O. Is Killed in Midtown Manhattan The executive, Brian Thompson, was shot in what the police described as a “brazen targeted attack” outside a hotel where the company was holding an investor meeting. The assailant was last spotted in Central Park, investigators said at a news conference." http://www...on/brian-thompson-uhc-ceo-shot Surveillance footage of the execution: http://x.com/Breaking911/status/1864381892264440258 My initial theory is that it's a right-wing actor committing a political a55a55ination. As I've explained in the following places.. --------- • "The DNC A55a55ination Coup #3" http://utopiaforums.com/boardthread?id=politics&thread=93042&time=1724046995968 • "Trump shot" threads http://utopiaforums.com/boardthread?id=politics&thread=93008&time=1720961654662 http://utopiaforums.com/boardthread?id=politics&thread=93010&time=1721515403477 • "USSC just turned this country into" http://utopiaforums.com/boardthread?id=politics&thread=92961&time=1720628274478 • "USA 250th Birthday (mid-terms)" http://www.utopiaforums.com/boardthread?id=politics&thread=93491&time=1731544612496 My writeup in the last thread: "• Some leftist journalist spreading propaganda in your neighborhood? Pipe bombs from an anonymous faction. • Some politician just gave leftists a concession? Gunned down on his doorstep. • A state's Secretary of State tries to remove an "insurrectionist" from the ballots? Set on fire, lungs flash-burned into suffocation. • Councilmember wants to paint a crosswalk with the gay race communism rainbow-flag? Rifle magazine emptied into his face outside of city hall from five feet away. • Neighbor suspected of collaborating with leftists? Staged B&E to slash his face into pieces so everyone knows what he is." --------- ..This is how the Troubles start to form. We had two attempts by left-wing political actors to kill the right's presidential candidate, and the Regime has signaled that they intend to continue pushing for Trump's a55a55ination. There are even former COVID czars (who should be in prison for Geneva Conventions violations) going on TV between-the-lines threatening the public with new weaponized viruses as a pretense to justify Regime control of public-health policy ( http://x.com/MakisMD/status/1864492881790009389 ). People on the right are well-aware that the Regime is attempting to evade prosecution for their crimes against humanity during COVID, and the pressure is boiling while people speculate about Trump's cabinet and whether or not Trump will actually prosecute these enemies of humanity. There are lists going around of exactly who people want prosecuted, and it includes people such as jewish Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla, jewish COVID propagandist and COVID-era CDC Director Rochelle Walensky, jewish COVID propagandist Peter Hotez, Chinese infiltrator and COVID propagandist Leana Wen, Michigan Governor and old-people-killer Whitmer, Moderna CEO Stéphane Bancel, COVID EcoHealth Alliance president Peter Daszak, and, of course, Fauci. So it's simple. There are priority lists that include the big names, but in the Troubles people take the targets that they can get. If they know that a bunch of billionaires who got rich on COVID deaths and totalitarian social policy are having a conference, they'll find out who's there and decide who is worth it. The killer was using a suppressed pistol. Getting a pistol means being able to pass a background check, and getting a suppressor requires an ATF tax stamp, which means additional background forms, a longer wait, and a clean record (the left has issues with these steps). The killer I.D.ed the target, took his shot, performed fine motor tasks via multiple re-rackings, confirmed a kill, and fled. These things mean that he actually practiced with his setup and prepared, which are things that leftists have issues doing since they're often incompetent. Left-wing shooter / Null hypothesis: Taking away from my theory are his white shoes, grey backpack, and the location of the kill. The better option in highly surveilled NYC would be dark shoes, a matte backpack, to wait until Thompson exited the well-lit hotel entrance (e.g., where his body ended up falling), and to not even raise the pistol to fire. If he were military-trained, witnesses on the scene would simply have been confused by noise but would not have realized what had happened fast enough, so this was likely a self-trained civilian. If he had used the Station 6, using a rare pistol is also a bad idea because very few of those are sold, so law enforcement could locate him very quickly if he used his credit card for the purchase. Of course, if you want to speculate false flags, then anything is on the table. The FBI loves cultivating MK Ultra assets such as tumblefag. Also, people who got hurt by insurance policies tend to go after their direct policy handler rather than just a far-removed CEO. *(I initially thought it was some kind of compact such as the Walther PP, but people in the comments are speculating that it's a "B&T VP-9 or station 6". This could be correct, since you can see that the pistol he uses does not automatically slide; he uses a manual slide to re-rack which includes a twisting motion, which is very particular to the Station 6. If that is the case, the shooter was willing to spend more than $2000 for this pistol: http://www.capitolarmory.com/bt-station-six-9mm-suppressed-pistol-bt410111.html ).
murder Member	Thu Dec 05 00:59:42 If this gunman is taking requests ... ======================== Anthem Blue Cross Blue Shield to cap anesthesia coverage after certain time frame ROCHESTER, N.Y. (WROC) — Those who use Anthem Blue Cross Blue Shield insurance will likely soon have to pay out of pocket for anesthesia services, should their surgeries fall outside a specific time limit. This applies to patients in New York State, Missouri and Connecticut. http://www...rage-after-certain-time-frame/
Forwyn Member	Thu Dec 05 09:39:58 Words "Deny", "Defend", "Depose" found written on the shell casings at the scene. More concerned with making a statement than concealing evidence.
Sam Adams Member	Thu Dec 05 09:57:24 "Now we are going to have to deny even more claims to fund extra security for ourselves". Other health insurance ceos probably.
Rugian Member	Thu Dec 05 10:03:00 Reddit's front page was full of threads openly celebrating this guy's death early this morning. Classy.
Sam Adams Member	Thu Dec 05 10:05:12 This particular insurance company denies more claims than any other it seems. Killer used a burner cell, probably to talk to an accomplice to track target. The suspect list includes every left wing radical and every husband whose wife/kids/parents have been screwed over by insurance bureaucrats. So just a few million to sort through.
jergul large member	Thu Dec 05 10:13:46 Rugged individuals fighting banks and insurance companies have been memes since the invention of pulp fiction. My bet on affiliation would be right wing. Also in light of bullet engravings. That is some serious right wing dedication right there.
murder Member	Thu Dec 05 12:57:02 Better pictures of the killer ... http://i.a..._1733416081828_hpMain_16x9.jpg
murder Member	Thu Dec 05 12:57:35 http://i.a..._1733415519914_hpMain_16x9.jpg
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Dec 05 16:09:03 he looks like a Joe or a Jimmy
Cherub Cow Member	Fri Dec 06 02:41:18 Topical Sam Hyde video: "Don't kill me with a knife! Don't knife me on the streets when I'm walking around Washington D.C. because that's where you can find me! I have a house in Connecticut. I'm usually walking around in the streets of Washington D.C. ... Don't kill ... the former head of Bank of America!" http://x.com/dissid3ntwr3nch/status/1864783555890487543
Rugian Member	Fri Dec 06 11:35:06 Hey remember when Taylor Lorenz was considered to be a credible journalist (according to the left)? "Former Washington Post reporter Taylor Lorenz appeared to celebrate the murder of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson. Sharing a post on a report about Blue Cross Blue Shield no longer covering “anesthesia for the full length of some surgeries,” Lorenz wrote, “And people wonder why we want these executives dead.”" http://www...t-in-face-of-backlash-1507641/ And of course, she's now posting on BlueSky. ROFL
Paramount Member	Fri Dec 06 11:54:45 A photographer took pictures of people before and after she told them a health insurance CEO was killed http://x.com/gritty20202/status/1864469682285076682
murder Member	Fri Dec 06 16:37:31 Wait ... everyone isn't celebrating the guy's murder?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Dec 06 21:30:54 he was making $10 million a year in an industry where all profits come from screwing the customer though lacking sympathy for him isn’t the same as celebrating
jergul large member	Fri Dec 06 21:42:00 A pretty sick model. Insurance is the one thing were customers should always get 85% of what they paid for as premiums should always be adjusted to cover variations in incidents. Many somethings last year mean higher premiums this year. I seriously have no idea why your insurance companies are fucking with you.
murder Member	Sat Dec 07 06:59:34 "I seriously have no idea why your insurance companies are fucking with you." Because they can. Politicians protect the interests of big business instead of protecting the interests of the people who elected them. As long as corruption is legal, we're stuck in hell.
Cherub Cow Member	Sat Dec 07 08:21:06 On the plus side, in these United States, these CEOs can just be found on the streets and forced into the reality of their policies, perhaps resulting in top-down change, whereas in slavish hellholes like the Nordic nations, you would have to kill 10,000 identical and replaceable bureaucrats to reduce the amount of money the parasites take for their welfare. And that's only because those 10,000 bureaucrats would no longer need welfare.
jergul large member	Sat Dec 07 12:19:37 Murder It is such an inelegant way of fucking with you. They could as easily just balance the premiums to give everyone 65 cents back on the dollar instead of 85 cents. Or whatever (I am pulling the ratio out of my ass). Cheapskating after coverage is triggered is just fucking with people. There are better ways to generate whatever target profits the companies are aiming for.
jergul large member	Sat Dec 07 12:23:05 We have CEOs here too. I recently checked. I am covered if I accidentally chainsaw down a tree onto my house roof. The logic as explained is as follows: Tree maintainance is a natural part of home ownership. Sure, it might go wrong now and then, but nothing compared to waiting for trees to fall themselves in storms, so sure, we cover roof damage cause by you chopping down a tree that falls on your house. In your hell hole, I will bet money you are not even allowed to cut down your own trees, let alone get coverage if it falls on your house. I checked this because *reasons*
jergul large member	Sat Dec 07 12:27:43 I am betting it is not corruption btw, just inhouse schemes that motivate people to be asshats in exchange for possible advancement "West coast claims payments are down 3%. We need to step up in our region". That kind of BS.
jergul large member	Sat Dec 07 12:32:02 You know CC, we are way more rugged individualist than you give us credit for. At least up here on 68N. Like I said earlier, your problem is partially that you should never meet your heroes. You will always find something to dislike.
jergul large member	Sat Dec 07 12:34:12 The same latitudal geolocation in Alaska https://geohack.toolforge.org/geohack.php?pagename=68th_parallel_north¶ms=68_0_N_165_15_W_type:country&title=United+States
jergul large member	Sat Dec 07 12:34:27 http://geo...pe:country&title=United+States
jergul large member	Sat Dec 07 12:39:51 Employment rates in Norway are 77% compared to 70% in the US. You would make your case way better if you lived here instead of there you know :).
Cherub Cow Member	Sat Dec 07 19:50:07 In my "hell hole", I can purchase all the firearms and ammunition that I want and hunt down and kill leftists, if I so desire. Hypothetically. (I will reiterate that I am not tumblefag, so this is not necessary for me and this is not actionable. But the threat of violence must always be credible in a free society.) [jergfag (confirmed faggot)]: "You know CC, we are way more rugged individualist than you give us credit for" False. You are a bunch of slack-jawed faggots. As I covered in the sebfag thread ( http://uto...hread=93608&time=1733617446955 )... Leftism is itself a slave doctrine, and those who vote for it prove themselves to be slavish degenerates and immoral enslavers. In Norway, for instance, a poll revealed that 70% of Norwegians would have voted for Kamala Harris if they could have. Those people are pathetic weaklings and slaves, and they constitute an absolute majority of Norway. The very act of *those* people breeding, thriving, and acting politically within Norwegian society is a proof-of-concept for Norway's slide into suicidal apocalypse. Any leftists who have children are merely making more slavish degenerates and polluting their societies. In the same poll, meanwhile, only 10% of Norwegians would have voted for Trump, who opposes enslavement dogmas. This means that only about 10% of Norwegians are not dysgenic freaks and compliant faggots who cry out for a master and a slave. Which one are you, faggot? We already know.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Dec 07 20:43:59 fun fact: CC is -not- an adolescent... and is presumably over 40 (unless the account has changed hands)
jergul large member	Sun Dec 08 00:34:30 CC Well, yes, you in particular would have problems buying all the firearms and ammunition you want in Norway because there is vetting before a licence is issued. Normal joes and jill need a worthy purpose (hunting or sports) and take a qualifying course. Nimi (an arab prince looking dude) got one easily. What you perhaps do not recognize about small, rugged individualist societies as they are collective (or leftist). That is what neighbour helping neigbour systematically is. Social democracies upscaled that to cover their entire countries, but ultimately, it is just people being neighbourly on a massive scale. How many tons of snow have you shifted for a neighbour so far this season? I figure I have moved about 8 tons for the little old lady down the hill. She bakes me cookies when the wife is in town so I dont starve as she sees it. Being neighbourly is nice and I mostly move snow manually for the workout. I am a pretty fit 50s something guy.
jergul large member	Sun Dec 08 00:39:12 Or how many pounds of potatoes did you harvest on your own land, or how many freezers do you have full of food (moose, fish, reindeer and berries for the most part)? Like I said, you should never meet your heroes. They always dissappoint :(.
jergul large member	Sun Dec 08 00:42:31 Mushrooms (only 4 variants this year) I actually dehydrated in the airfryer (I have a model that can do that). They store well in the basement pantry. Zuccini was the big surprise. I planted those for fun (we are too far North really) and ended up with 150. Also dehydrated in airfryer. They are like 90% water or something ludicrous. Good to add in anything tomato base. Uhm, you know what a pantry and a root cellar are, right? I am sure you have read about them at least.
jergul large member	Sun Dec 08 00:45:39 Strawberries did not go great. I neglected to cut them back and had planted them to tight. Very sweet berries because of the midnight sun, but replotted and cut down for next season. They grew too well at the expense of not bothering with berries after the first little harvest. Ah well. Most of the stuff I am remembering from childhood has gone ok. Just not that :).
jergul large member	Sun Dec 08 00:51:19 I would not advise going full rustic of course. A pied a terre in town is a pretty important QoL thing. But urban living once the kids have grown is seriously overrated. What do I need a vibrant nightlife for?
Cherub Cow Member	Sun Dec 08 03:27:36 [jergfag (confirmed faggot)]: "because there is vetting before a licence is issued" Yeah, that's called the tyranny of bureaucracy/managerialism. The weak citizens are keeping arms out of the hands of strong citizens because they know that they have no right to power. They are enslavers and dysgenic freaks who could be defeated by a soft wind. The absolute right of ultra-violence rests in the hands of the strong, not in the weak, and they absolutely oppose the sickness of bureaucracy from denying them this power. Any system that keeps weapons out of the hands of Norway's 10% non-dysgenic freaks is a tyranny, and the weak's tyranny is so all-encompassing that even the strong are birds with clipped wings. Anders Breivik was Norway's last gasp. The country died no less than 13 years ago. And holy crap. The rest of your garbage reads like when nhill had a schizo meltdown in the totalitarians threads after he realized he had nothing to offer — just absolutely desperately trying to tell an autobiography to win points back like a kid playing tether-ball alone in a deserted playground after school and hoping his superiors could see. But he'd already lost during the day. It's not going to work, jergfag. We already know you're a piece of shit. You're so delusional that even if the things you're saying about yourself have some factual truth to them, they're unimpressive in themselves and worse are probably based in some enslaving principle in the same way that an incompetent middle-manager would say that he "did" something while only having seen someone else doing it despite his constant hamstringing of productivity. Pathetic. Your ideology has already exposed who you are, and no autobiography changes that. Your words are always the words of a dispirited weakling with no call to Power. If you had a single ounce of nobility in you then you would speak with a strong voice, but you have none so you say nothing. This same phenomenon can be seen in Regime weaklings such as LTC Alexander Vindman or Rear Admiral John Kirby. They can wear all the rank, medals, and badges that they want, but the cowardly look in their eyes will never disappear, and no one would want to stand beside them at the breach — and certainly would not want to turn their backs to them. [tumblefag]: "CC is -not- an adolescent... and is presumably over 40" This is vague and a non sequitur. So I'm somewhere between 19 and 120? (slow clap) Good job. Really perceptive — about as perceptive as your readings of anything Trump says, you abysmal idiot. The leftists in this forum always get desperate for ad hominem vectors when they realize that their words themselves show them to be fools and weaklings. They'll probe you for any little fact about your life for the sole purpose of deconstructing it and cynically degrading it, so they deserve no answers ever. And I do not care about the lives of these leftists either. You wear your weaknesses in your words.
jergul large member	Sun Dec 08 03:58:16 Sorry about the delay CC. I was just filming 3 moose galavanting around on my property. Brave as hunting season has two weeks left, but they gauged with weather well. Our local hunters dont like being outside in weather like this :). Actually, its called common sense. Guns are dangerous in the wrong hands and without a purpose. So there is some vetting, not along political lines. You can fly a confederate flag in your yard (like some rural folk do here) and own a gun, or be a communist for that matter. The actual well-regulated militia part is upheld by conscription and easily accessible weapon depots. People (conscription means most people are former soldiers) here know how to use heavy weapons properely, so would not challenge a would be domestic tyrant with saturday night specials like you think is relevant in the US. We are the strong, rugged individuals you are looking for. I am saddened that you cannot embrace what freedom and independence looks like in the real world. I hate to say it, but a symptom of strong, independent, rugged individualism is complete indifference to what this or that person on the internet might think of me. Hence, I am generally civil because it cost nothing to be polite and politeness is the cornerstone of independent, self-sustaining communities. Raging against the machine is kind of an urban thing.
Cherub Cow Member	Sun Dec 08 05:47:01 [jergtard (confirmed weakling)]: "Guns are dangerous in the wrong hands and without a purpose." Then you admit that your society has failed. As a neutral statement, that might have some truth, but as a statement implicitly from your deranged psyche, the 70% of cowards in Norway who would have voted for Kamala Harris are the ones determining whose hands are the "wrong hands". They, by their slavish and pathetic nature, doom the rest of society to dysgenics by their own offspring (this 70% slavish people breeding and acting as vampires upon their dwindling strong). Only the 10% who would have voted for Trump could have saved Norway, but Norwegian governance fears them as they fear their reckoning. It is the 10% who is equipped to say whose hands are the "wrong hands", but this sheer Pareto Principle is denied. [jergtard (confirmed weakling)]: "I hate to say it, but a symptom of strong, independent, rugged individualism is complete indifference to what this or that person on the internet might think of me." I already explained the absolute error and stupidity of such a statement in the Blue Sky thread, but you, being weak and illiterate, do not even possess the strength to save yourself. "Complete indifference" is the direct doctrine of slavish enslavers — a pathetic and weak ideology: ---------- http://uto...hread=93537&time=1733407647812 • slavish enslavers do not care what others think; because they adopt an enslavement ideology, the concerns of the "slave" (i.e., those they seek to enslave) mean nothing to them, they believe they are "above it", and the very idea that a "Master" would care about "slaves" thus seems foreign to them (incidentally, this facilitates the next slave revolt and the "Master"'s own annihilation) ---------- Your indifference is that of the suicidal Last Man. You do not care even about your own survival or your society's destroying of the early warning systems which would have prevented its annihilation. • Chinese destroyers will fish just outside your waters until there is nothing in your seas, and you will blink. • Millions of Muslims and "Global South" invaders will own your governance and ensure that your wealth becomes theirs, and you will blink. • BlackRock will control your farmlands and manufacture mass-famine, and you will blink. • Your children will be taken by the state for surgical and chemical sterilization, and you will blink. You will slip into your final slavery and blink like a pathetic Last Man. As is your nature. Your death will not even be remembered by your family, which, truly, belongs to the state and therefore no one, not even yourself. That is in accordance with your cowardly principles. That is your weak destiny.
jergul large member	Sun Dec 08 06:18:51 CC I feel that you are trying to square a circle here to get the world to match your preconceptions. Often, the simplest theory is best. Honour cultures (from which Norway decends) are invariably very polite as the concequences of impoliteness are so dramatic. You have a vestige of that in your "an armed society is a polite society", though more aspirational that a description of what is. Of course we are less slavish with a slight tendency to enslaver mentality at times. We have established that genetically, what you consider good is actually Norse Sami-Norwegian by way of the Norman and from there to the English superstructure. Sure, we may have been exploited by the Hanseatic League, but we never had feudalism (a system that fits your description of slaver and enslaver better than your attempt to modernize it), so subservience has not been beaten into us for upwards of 80 generations. So left to our own accord, we plutter along managing our own lives and help out others politely because that is the neighbourly thing to do. Think hollywood descriptions of Minnesota and you sort of nailed it. I have 4 girls CC. You need to do some heavy lifting to think that is a last man in action. I do think we are too many humans, but that also includes thinking there are way too many muslims and africans. Ultimately freedom is best achieved through recognizing the inherent value of a human and that is really hard to do if we breed like rabbits. Value because we are valuable, not because we are a dime a dozen more easily swapped out than changing a tire. All evidence suggests I am the hero you are looking for and I am sad that you met me in that sense. Never meet your heroes. They always disappoint.
jergul large member	Sun Dec 08 06:42:07 Here is incidentally population ratios that look good to me some 100 years from now: NA including NZ and Aus - 100 million Europe (to the Urals) - 100 million South and latin America - 100 million Africa - 100 million SE Asia - 100 million India/Pakistan - 100 million Seems my ideal population standards for 15 generations from now have a heavy white bias. Are we truly so different? :).
Cherub Cow Member	Sun Dec 08 07:49:32 [jergtard]: "I feel that you" "I have 4 girls CC. You need to do some heavy lifting to think that is a last man in action." You are illiterate and have now once again degraded into your pathetic Jergul Method where your stupidity makes you unable to respond to the points being made. The slavishness of the Norwegian is absolutely and incontrovertibly established. No less than 70% of Norway's population demonstrates loyalty to enslavement dogma, meaning that those 70% are the result of decades and perhaps centuries of dysgenics. Your own children are dysgenic simply because they came from you, a coward and a weakling. Slaves do indeed have children, and their children are slavish and live under the yoke. You are a coward and a Last Man, so you will not even possess the survival instinct to protect the from the Regime, which you will leave free to surgically and chemically emasculate them, ending your bloodline if they merely choose to do that to them. You are ideologically unequipped to oppose the Regime even if they threaten your children, and indeed now you would see no problem in giving your children to the state to be sterilized. To the Regime, you are merely one of many stray cats that can be spayed and neutered and become a glad eunuch-servant for them, and likewise is the fate of your children. Where you were spiritually neutered, your children may be spayed both spiritually and physically. And you will blink. Many slaves believe that having children is enough, but, being too stupid to see the future, they simply cannot comprehend that they were bred to be slaves and their children have the same future ahead of them. You moved one stone for the pyramid, and they will move another. ------------ The Jergul Method http://www...hread=88805&time=1636130551282 • Step 1: Belly-flop into a thread like a t-shirted fat boy at a water park who didn't want to walk to the bathrooms. • Step 2: Do not address the central issue of the thread. • Step 3: Do not read the thread. If the thread is "too long", that's the OP's fault and in no way implicates Jergul's poor attention span, low intelligence, laziness-justifying Lutheranism, and non-existent reading comprehension ;D • Step 4 (Option 1): Scan the thread for key words, find some random sentence out of context, respond to that one sentence with a straw man or shit-take, and hope people respond to your shit-take so that you can be involved despite having nothing to offer regarding the central issue of the thread. • Step 4 (Option 2): Use Cunningham's Law to force people to summarize what's going on in the thread so that you can be involved; i.e., say something so completely false and idiotic that people bend down to your level to correct it. This way, people are forced to "teach" you what's going on in the thread, and you only have to look at direct responses to your comments. • Step 5: If people teach you what's going on, use blatant revisionism to pretend that you knew the things that they taught you all along while ignoring that anyone can easily point out that you clearly did not know what was going on in your previous responses. • Step 6: When exposed as an idiot, use, "No you!" logic, trying pathetically to insist that *other* people must be deficient even though you're the one who cannot construct a simple sentence or a rational and insightful argument — something you have perhaps never done in your entire irrelevant life. • Step 7: Tell yourself that it's a good thing that it's sometimes unclear if you're just a fucking idiot or a helpless troll while ignoring that a life spent practicing either behavior has perhaps made you into both.
jergul large member	Sun Dec 08 08:33:14 CC Part of the problem rests with Trump's rhethoric. It becomes gibberish when translated to Norwegian. Our language simply cannot encompass the way he speaks English on the podium. There is also an element of ageism. He is like really old. He is also rather uncouth, something that also translates poorly to our relatively polite disposition. Finally, an American firster does not really benefit Norway, so there is an element of enlightened self-interest in preferring the alternative as president. In my case, it is not a strong preferance. So with that somewhat outlandish measure dispenced with, we can move on. You place a heavy emphasis on "it is so because I say so". I have never been overfond of a normative line of argument like that. It smacks of the appeal to authority debating fallacy. Frankly, I believe you are missing the bigger picture. Independent individuals with the geromes and history you say are desirable are generally just happy puttering about with their own lives in polite harmony with their neighbours. The whole dissaccociative, angst laden theory crafting thing is urban phenonoma in my opinion. Careful when staring into the abyss and all that. May I recommend the fresh country air?
Cherub Cow Member	Sun Dec 08 08:44:33 [jergfag (confirmed faggot)]: "Part of the problem [bunch of faggot cope about why jergfag supports his own slave morality and the mass slave-morality of Norwegian slaves]" [jergfag (confirmed faggot)]: "You place a heavy emphasis on "it is so because I say so"." False. You are a liar. Cite your "source", faggot. Oh, you don't have one because you're a fucking liar. You're pretty much confirmed as a retard per Jergul Method Step 7. So you have one more chance to stop shitting your diaper: • Do you think that a population can be bred to be ideal slaves? (There is a correct answer) • Do you think that a slavish population can have children? (There is a correct answer) • Do you think that a "Last Man" might have children? (There is a correct answer) All of these are at the core of your error and have the same answer, but your Jergul Method has been evading them because you are a liar and slavish weakling who is pretending not to be a little bitch. But you are indeed a little bitch. Because your decision-making is so weak, you likely picked a weak spouse, so your children are even weaker and more doomed. As is your nature.
Rugian Member	Sun Dec 08 08:53:48 God bless UP. Every other conversation on the internet of this story has been limited to Millenials and Gen Zers engaging in anti-capitalist schadenfreude and celebrating the murder of a man who had nothing to do with national health policy. Where else could the assassination of an insurance executive devolve into an insult-filled debate about the dysgenics of the Norwegian-Sami population, the need to depopulate the planet, and filming moose? Oh you crazy rapscallions you :)
jergul large member	Sun Dec 08 08:54:50 Or - counterpoint - I merely am a rugged and free individual who does his own thing in polite coexistence with his neighbours in the manner such things have been done for millenium. I think the difference in our mindsets can be framed by me being influenced by the residue of honour culture and you with the vestiges of feudal jus primae noctis traditions. Hence you constantly referring the medieval privilege variations that are part of your genetical baggage, while such things are not part of my ancestoral memory. Lke I said. It is sad that you have met your hero. I understand that you are profoundly dissapointed.
jergul large member	Sun Dec 08 08:59:23 It could be that you are right in a sense though. Like a noble savage succumbing to an old world disease, I simply lack the innoculation provided those who were slaves for scores of generations on feudal estates. You literally know what you are talking about, and I alas have no idea as it simply is not part of my genetic history.
jergul large member	Sun Dec 08 09:01:59 Ruggy Thanks :). If only you had waited. We are just getting started.
Cherub Cow Member	Sun Dec 08 09:03:59 You failed to answer the questions. You are a coward and a weakling. You are descended from slaves and can only create more slaves.
jergul large member	Sun Dec 08 09:05:45 CC Factually, you would be the decendant of slaves given the very nature of the Feudal System your forebears were subject to for scores of generations. I, perhaps sadly, decend from Free Folk.
Cherub Cow Member	Sun Dec 08 09:40:08 lol :D The hilarious thing about jergtard's diaper-shitting here is that jergtard is pathetically desperate to prove that he's not a dysgenic retard, but he's too low-IQ to even understand the opposition argument so he's completely unequipped to respond and simply keeps *proving* how retarded he is. He cannot even batch information, synthesize, or remember previous arguments that I've made, so he resets every couple comments like the brain-damaged character from "Memento". So, for instance, I literally bullet-point listed about a dozen proofs of how he is a perfect manifestation of slave morality in the above-linked thread, but because he cannot batch previous information, he now stupidly Memento-purges those former details and can only focus on the immediately available item, which he perceives as the entire argument and simultaneously cannot even understand in order to steel-man it. I.e., he cannot even answer the latest questions that I posed on one single topic because it would again further reveal his learning disability. Literal fucking retard. :D What are Nietzsche's four categories again, jergfag? lol You can't answer that either! XD But he knows so much about Nietzsche, right? :D Maybe deflect again and talk about Nietzsche's end-of-life health issues and throw some innuendo about him and his sister? :D Got any irrelevant trivia about picking berries like a faggot and getting kicked in the face while trying to fuck a moose? :D Got any more Kristofer Hivju -types to play semi-retarded GoT characters? :D lol. jergtard is so pathetic :D .. So yeah, where jergtard is a representative of Norwegians, lutherans, and dysgenic retards (though I repeat myself), he really is a testament to the fact that shooters like in the OP would have to wipe out 10,000 of him just to have the same effect as one American CEO. And yes, Norway has CEOs. 10,000 of them could die and no one would notice. That's how completely unexceptional Norwegians are. And people in the West should realize that the absolute state of dysgenics that affects jergtards is what the global totalitarian Regime has planned for the West. In these United States, if a CEO dies, people take notice because he might have actually been competent, been able to affect policy, and CEOs have a lot of real power (or do we forget Musk buying Twitter?). But in Nordic nations? Everyone is replaceable. Just widget clones. So you have an unaddressed complaint about your health care in these United States? Well, "don't knife [the CEO] on the streets when [he's] walking around Washington D.C. because that's where you can find [him]!" But in Norway? Umm.... have you tried assisted dying? :D Have you tried killing 10,000 CEOs and making no impact to policy and then getting put in prison with Anders Breivik and playing X-Box and Playstation 5? :D
jergul large member	Sun Dec 08 10:12:49 You do indeed repeat your claims about many things based on "trust me bro" as evidence. You are not being terribly convincing. But do keep these notes. I think I have shown you how to create a coherent line of reasoning based on genetic facts. There is are reasons I am your hero, as much as you dislike hearing it. Not your fault. I blame feudalism. Scores of generations cannot but have critically damaged your genetic pool.
jergul large member	Sun Dec 08 10:29:42 Remember though that I did say you may be correct. My noble upbringing and pristine genetic heritage may have left me blind to the dangers you so clearly see. Like a Noble Savage infected by a disease infested trade blanket, I simply lack the innoculation scores of generations of slavery has given you. You know of the danger first hand as it closely resembles the feudal indignities your forbears suffered, while I simply cannot understand such base and eccentric threats. I do not have the genetic memory of systematic abuse. What I do not understand is how remembering those threats somehow will help you rise above them. Doing that is literally not in your genetic makeup. Not your fault. None of us chose our genes. But that is the dichotomy. "Norse Sami-Norwegian genes are under attack! We can only stop it by imagining we have those genes and pretending those that actually have them are as degraded genetically as we are." Quite a pickle. I have no idea how you might overcome such inbred barriers. But I wish you the best of luck with that!
Cherub Cow Member	Sun Dec 08 10:39:59 [jergfag (literally admits to being slavish because he can't help it)]: "Like a Noble Savage" lol. jergfag once again citing slave doctrine. You couldn't make this up :D Does he even know that Noble Savage is a slave doctrine? :D :D :D Amazing! XD jergfag is my favorite lolcow :D Perfect fucking retard :D Don't forget your helmet next time you go on a walk, tard :D
jergul large member	Sun Dec 08 10:44:34 That is the spirit! Laughter is always the best medicine. Some facts are just hard to digest, so feel free to take the time you need.
Cherub Cow Member	Sun Dec 08 10:45:38 lol :D Feel free to show that you're not retarded at any time by answering my questions. :D You cannot. :D
jergul large member	Sun Dec 08 10:56:08 CC One thing I have to ask. This is clearly a genetic issue, I get why you want to impose an intellectual qualifier, otherwise, well, you would not qualify. But you do see how that undermines the whole logic behind race purity? If just thinking the "right way" is redeeming, then anything goes genetically. But if anything goes genetically, then is not thinking the "right way" actually delusional? Either it is about Norse Sami-Norwegian genes, or it is not. Food for thought at least.
jergul large member	Sun Dec 08 11:07:28 Another thing that is not a big deal, but you are very procedural in you way of thinking. That is commonly considered a jewish-bolshevik trait. Are you sure that is healthy?
murder Member	Sun Dec 08 11:12:02 "The leftists in this forum always get desperate for ad hominem vectors when they realize that their words themselves show them to be fools and weaklings. They'll probe you for any little fact about your life for the sole purpose of deconstructing it and cynically degrading it, so they deserve no answers ever." You reveal yourself.
Cherub Cow Member	Sun Dec 08 11:39:01 [murderfag (left-wing dogma bot)]: "You reveal yourself." Nope! :D How often have I attacked you for... I dunno... I don't even know or care what you do for a living or whatever. I similarly never use fishing as an attack vector for jergfag, even though that's a running joke for others. I've repeatedly explained why that is (e.g., the same comment from which you took that quotation but in regards to LTC Alexander Vindman). The short version is that people can fill all types of jobs, have all types of credentials, have all types of "awards", but are they retarded? Are they a coward? Are they therefore a dysgenic freak? In the case of UP, even if you (murderfag) told me that you were a former Navy SEAL and you could prove it and no one here doubted the proof, I would still infer from your constant lies, obfuscations, and pathetic ideology that you were a coward, and I might even combine the data to surmise that you had weaseled your way through the Navy and were dead weight — since it is written in your words that that would be the case no matter what your profession, from taco bell cashier to PhD — you are dead weight. It is the same with jergfag. None of his talk of fucking moose and running in fields picking berries like a faggot could help his case, since he has constantly displayed intellectual cowardice in this forum, which means that there is not a drop of nobility anywhere else in his life. You cannot "pretend" to be a cowardly piece of shit for so many years without becoming one in all other ways. We practice our character and our character becomes all of us. UP's leftists have no character, no honesty, and no positive principles. As is your nature. [jergfag (literally admits to being slavish because he can't help it)]: "One thing I have to ask. This is clearly a genetic issue, I get why you want to impose an intellectual qualifier, otherwise, well, you would not qualify." Still fishing for ad hominem vectors. Sad, sad little coward. :) And still can't answer my questions. :) [jergfag (literally admits to being slavish because he can't help it)]: "Another thing that is not a big deal, but you are very procedural in you way of thinking. That is commonly considered a jewish-bolshevik trait." lol! The absolute false premise (that procedural = jewish [and only jewish!]) and attempt at disingenuous well-poisoning ("[hur hur! you're coded as [false premise]! hur hur]")! You do so love category errors, which are very common among weak leftists, as I've pointed out many times before XD And still can't answer my questions. :)
jergul large member	Sun Dec 08 11:59:29 To be fair, proceduralism is also a bolshevik trait, and no, I am not fishing for you to admit that you have indeed been an anarchist and a member of the communist party. But you have to admit, it is a bit worrisome that you waggle like a duck and quack like a duck, and all we have is your word that you are not in fact a duck. It was a statement of fact. You are a decendant from scores of generations of slaves. So I get the intellectual qualifier. The question was if you see how that undermines the premise of there being some special genetic code that has particular value. How could that code be valued if it can simply be emulated by indoctrination? Then anything goes. I am, you are, nimi is, mexican tornado is, murder is, seb is. All we are perhaps missing is your tailored mindset. Why not just some huge genetic melting pot where we are united by unity of thought? That my dear friend is the irresolvable dichotomy in your thinking.
Cherub Cow Member	Sun Dec 08 12:34:34 Keep fishing, faggot. And coming up with some bullshit half-baked theory based on false premises and straw-man my arguments. lol And still can't answer my questions. :)
murder Member	Sun Dec 08 14:38:08 "How often have I attacked you for... I dunno... I don't even know or care what you do for a living or whatever." You misunderstood.
Rugian Member	Sun Dec 08 14:55:21 Israel is going heavy with the bombing runs in Syria and has occupied the Syrian side of Mount Hermon. WTF are the Israelis up to right now Asgard?
murder Member	Sun Dec 08 14:56:18 Wrong thread. :oP
Rugian Member	Sun Dec 08 14:56:42 FFS
jergul large member	Mon Dec 09 02:05:20 CC I think it wise of you to disengage in your mildly lethargic way. It is one thing to find your disappointing hero, but quite another when he forces you to face the illogical goblins in the foundations of your intellectual construct.
Cherub Cow Member	Mon Dec 09 04:18:56 [jergfag (literally admits to being slavish because he can't help it)]: "your disappointing hero" You keep saying this, but it always has your pathetic Poe's Law troll tone of being an obvious inversion for the sake of inversion. Like, you know that I think you're a piece of shit, so you're pretending that you're my "hero", which obviously is false, and because you have no conscience and no moral structure such as a functioning religion, you have no issue with lying, inverting, and deceiving. (This lack of conscience and this willingness to lie is common in slave-morality religions such as lutheranism, calvinism, and judaism.) It's sort of like your pathetic attempt at calling me a "Bolshevik" based on being "procedural", which itself conflates "procedural" with "proceduralism", the latter being a specific managerial ideology and the former merely meaning "being organized". So it's a transparent composition fallacy (pretending that one item represents the whole), and, of course, I have explained before that fallacies of composition and category are common among low-IQ people who are incapable of the additional brain power required to divide things into specific categories and rationalize multiple variables at once (I.e., agnosia is common among sebguls). [jergfag (literally admits to being slavish because he can't help it)]: "illogical goblins in the foundations of your intellectual construct." This also further proves that you are intellectually incapable of understanding my arguments due to your low-IQ-induced agnosia. At this point, I have repeatedly explained to you the absolute consistency of my ideology, but you either do not understand because of your retardation (most likely) or because you're only *pretending* to be retarded (which itself signals your retardation; through practiced "pretense", the "pretense" becomes cognitive reality). So you're too retarded to understand the errors that you yourself are producing, and my explanation will not teach you either due to your same mental deficiencies. Nevertheless, this is your error tree more explicitly: 1) [CC thinks White people are all genetically superior] False. This is a major error that you keep repeating due to your low-IQ, since you do not have the brain power to rationalize a distribution. I have explained before that I am operating on comparative normal distributions of IQ and anti-enslavement ideologies within and across any given population(s) (among other variables). This produces two realities that contradict your low-IQ agnosia within this error: White people as a distribution are most *likely* to resist enslavement dogmas (a *general* statement of White distribution compared to other racial distributions), *and* there are indeed many White people who *embrace* enslavement dogmas (segments of the White distribution are indeed retarded — such as yourself). 2) • [Because CC thinks White people are genetically superior (false premise)], then • [CC thinks that anyone who is White is genetically superior] False. So now we see how your errors start to build. You built your lie on a false premise, and your low-IQ-induced agnosia now creates a false extrapolation. In reality and as explained under point "1)", there are indeed many White retards under the distribution (such as yourself), and I constantly reiterate this point in my arguments. 3) • [Because CC thinks White people are all genetically superior (false premise)], • [because CC thinks that anyone who is White is genetically superior (false premise 2)], then • [CC must think that all White people still in Europe are the original, "pure", and best stock] False. As I have explained many times, each traditionally White nation has its own distribution. I have posted charts to this effect. The Nordic nations are, in fact, the most compliant with totalitarian (enslavement) dogmas and therefore represent some of the worst genetic stock under the "White" umbrella as individual distributions. The nations with the highest infiltration of totalitarian governance as reported by the ESG Indexes from most-infiltrated down are Denmark (98.9%), Finland (97.4%), Norway (97.2%), and Sweden (95.2%). This means that the cumulative errors of these nations (e.g., IQ, genetic, cultural, religious, trustworthiness, legal) made these the ripest nations for infiltration and subversion. 4) • [Because CC thinks White people are all genetically superior (false premise 1)], • [because CC thinks that anyone who is White is genetically superior (false premise 2)], • [because CC thinks that all White people still in Europe are the original, "pure", and best stock (false premise 3)], then • [CC must think that I, jergtard, who claim to be from Norway, am CC's "hero"] False. There is nothing good or heroic within you that I could possibly even respect. Your words have proven to me that you are barely even human or sentient. The only thing I can do is hope that some faint glimmer of you perhaps learns a conscience, forms a memory, and learns how terrible you have been for all of your life. Given your sundowning and perpetual cognitive decline, this is likely futile, but I celebrate relentlessness. So your position is the accumulation of lies, and it further reveals the limits of your cognitive power. You cannot even comprehend the simplest of your errors, and so you blink.
Cherub Cow Member	Mon Dec 09 04:19:02 In other news, Gerand Thumb did a good analysis of the shooter's weapon: "Debunking The UnitedHealthcare Assassination Myths" [December 8th, 2024] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIbY6lo0RIw Gun YouTubers such as Colion Noir kind of beat him to the finish, but Gerand's video is much more polished and detailed: "Why Did Assassin's Gun With Silencer Malfunction In United Healthcare CEO Shooting?" [Colion Noir; December 6th, 2024] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bC7XZGoJP8 Gerand's guess is similar to what I initially speculated which is that the shooter was simply managing slide malfunctions that he anticipated (above "Wed Dec 04 23:23:50"). But, the people who were spamming about the "B&T VP-9 or station 6" definitely seemed at least a little plausible against my initial judgment. Station 6 spammers included Twitter accounts such as @dailymindvirus (2024-12-04 1:12 PM CST), under whom I liked a comment on December 4th saying, "Wrong. It failed to cycle because of the subsonic rounds used", and @NCIUniversity (2024-12-04 4:49 PM CST), who I just ignored. I usually mute slop-accounts like this when I identify them, so I've done that now. Gerand's accumulated theory is: • Killer was using a Glock • Killer did not have a booster for his suppressor (same as Colion Noir's guess) • Killer made his suppressor himself or found one for sale (illegally, of course) • Killer used subsonic rounds (possibly home-made) that may not have had the power to cycle the slide The deviations from my guess include that I thought that this could be someone who *had* the credentials to actually purchase a pistol and suppressor via an ATF Tax Stamp (hence, a right-wing shooter), but Gerand thinks that because people who have the credentials for a Tax Stamp so rarely commit crimes (something like less than 0.0% of shooters) that that it is statistically unlikely. I might argue against that simply because of the political moment, but that is a strong precedent and there are other issues too. Gerand also makes some arguments that are a little less sound, like that the shooter would *know* not to purchase rare items (e.g., Station 6, professionally manufactured subsonic rounds) and that because NYC has such tough gun laws that it *had* to have been an illegal purchase/manufacturing. But this is not a sound argument because about 20% of NYC's workers commute from outside of the city, so NYC is not a total bottle, and killers can make many mistakes. An issue is whether or not people think that the shooter broke just the one law (i.e., murder) or many laws (e.g., illegal firearms purchase, illegal suppressor purchase/manufacturing, illegal import to NYC). A big way to decide this is in the fact that this is now the 6th day of the manhunt, and police are pretty desperate for leads, relying most heavily on photo-identification and surveillance image tracking and finding that the general public does not want to help them (autists usually track people down with their own research, but they are not doing this because of the political implications). Police currently believe that the shooter *did* commute to NYC, since they have images that could be the shooter using bus transport from Atlanta and staying at a NYC hostel (NBC (FBI) News; December 5th, 2024; https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/unitedhealthcare-ceo-brian-thompson-shot-dead-gunman-bullet-casings-rcna182975 ). This would forgo the possibility that he could not possibly have purchased a firearm legally because of NYC laws. *If* the shooter were a Georgia resident (this itself assumes that Atlanta was the origin rather than just a use of the Atlanta hub), then Georgia's larger market would allow subsonic-round purchase to seem less obvious, albeit still risky. Another big question, then, would be why the shooter didn't just purchase a booster. There is some argument about tax stamps, but boosters generally do *not* require a tax stamp. He could have just purchased one from any site and not had to prove a tax stamp or even have it sent to a business with a Federal Firearms License (FFL) (e.g., https://sdtacticalarms.com/product/booster/ ). He could also just walk into an FFL and purchase one in cash with no background check, since it's literally just a spacer with a spring. So why not get one? So he may not have purchased a booster because... • he just didn't know or understand (a strange possibility), • it was an extra cost (didn't have $100?), and/or • it was one more point of exposure that he did not want to risk TLDR: Given how well the shooter has evaded police to this point and that he traveled by bus and stayed anonymously in a NYC hostel, it's certainly possible that he was avoiding exposure at all costs, which would mean no booster, a home-made suppressor, a common Glock, and home-made subsonic rounds (regular rounds with some powder removed). If he's especially clever, he was only using Atlanta as a hub and switched from another hub.
jergul large member	Mon Dec 09 06:26:57 I suppose I can humour the figleaf of "no inherent superiority", but at the cost of the replacement theory becoming [even more] unhinged. If all is equal, then mix and matching can hardly matter. Replacement individually is a function of generational change. Incest would be the only way to partially mitigate gene dilution otherwise. Fair enough that racial purity might be an aestetic preferance, but that hardly represents an existential challenge. So the pretense of maintaining you lay no claim to genetic superiority does in fact undermine your primary thesis that *something* is under threat. As to your almost excessive emotional connection to my musings, well, that is easily explained by the bottomless disappointment you feel from meeting your hero. A known danger. Sad, but that is just how it is. We have not formulated this clearly until recently, but I think you knew at a celebrial level from when you first learned of my genetic stock. If we detach superiority from your intellectual equation, then I am left feeling that you are in denial of human nature. Wanderlust is a driving force that explains why we left Africa in the first place. Even sedentary societies have that lust intact. Intergenerationally as one generation gains, reforms and reinvents land from the last. Or for those that do not inherit: a desire to go out and find a space for themselves. Population migrations then easily explained as an aspect of human nature. I do agree that I have to work, sometimes hard, at supressing the enslaver instincts that are part and parcel of my genetic heritage. Remembering if you will that disdain for the opinion of others is an inslaver trait, not a slave characteristic. I am sorry that you felt misrepresented. I do realize society forces you to speak in code, for only the truly couragous can call a spade a spade so to speak. It is possible I decoded some of your thoughts incorrectly, but that was in the name of giving your belief construct internal consistency, and not fueled by any form of ulterior motivation.
Cherub Cow Member	Mon Dec 09 08:06:47 • [jergfag (literally admits to being slavish because he can't help it)]: "If all is equal, then mix and matching can hardly matter." This is a false premise producing a false conclusion. • [jergfag (literally admits to being slavish because he can't help it)]: "Incest would be the only way to partially mitigate gene dilution otherwise." False and retarded. • [jergfag (literally admits to being slavish because he can't help it)]: "Fair enough that racial purity might be an aestetic preferance, but that hardly represents an existential challenge. " False premise producing a false conclusion. Straw man fallacy. I did not say that. You are illiterate. • [jergfag (literally admits to being slavish because he can't help it)]: "So the pretense of maintaining you lay no claim to genetic superiority does in fact undermine your primary thesis that *something* is under threat." False premise producing a false conclusion. You convoluted use-cases of "superiority" because you are so low-IQ that you produce composition and category errors. • [jergfag (literally admits to being slavish because he can't help it)]: "As to your almost excessive emotional connection to my musings," False premise. Transparent red herring. Obvious bait from a retard. (You are retarded.) • [jergfag (literally admits to being slavish because he can't help it)]: "Remembering if you will that disdain for the opinion of others is an inslaver trait, not a slave characteristic." False. As I have explained before, "Master"-enslavers are slavish themselves. It is because they have fallen into a trap of slave morality as a false dichotomy and therefore never surrender their slave dogmas. You are too low-IQ to understand this. You lied about knowing Nietzsche's four categories. You do not know them, you certainly do not understand them, and you are too stupid to solve this simple puzzle of evading a false dichotomy. That is why you keep making this retarded error. But this is all the proof I need that you are too retarded for this conversation: • [jergfag (literally admits to being slavish because he can't help it)]: "well, that is easily explained by the bottomless disappointment you feel from meeting your hero." I literally broke this down into its simplest constituent elements to show that your "hero" retardation is founded in nothing but your delusions. But, because you are dysgenic, you cannot even understand my arguments when I lay out your false premises step-by-step. You are literally too stupid to understand plain speech. You are retarded. Are you plugging all of this into Google Translate or something? Are you just illiterate? Because you are abysmally retarded. It's really kind of incredible. But don't bother answering. Your thread hijacking is over. I will not be responding to you if you produce a single bad-faith argument. This thread is about the shooting again.
jergul large member	Mon Dec 09 08:21:52 CC Like I said, you are wise to disengage. Not brave exactly, but wise.
Cherub Cow Member	Mon Dec 09 11:32:13 From less than an hour ago: Possible suspect in custody. Police arrested a man in Pennsylvania who had fake I.D.'s and a pistol with a suppressor. [ABC News; December 9th, 2024] http://abc...suspect-new/story?id=116591169 The ABC link also includes the police map of suspect appearances as they try to build his escape route. They also recovered the shooter's backpack in Central Park. An obvious thing is, "Why didn't he ditch the weapon?" but the ABC article shows that police were already diving in waterways around the shooter's possible route to search for a pistol, so he would need to have found a better way to ditch. If you or anyone you know sees someone who looks like the shooter, please pretend that you don't see him and never tell anyone.
Cherub Cow Member	Mon Dec 09 11:34:35 A live report is saying that this is him. They arrested him at a McDonald's, and he had a manifesto. :'(
Cherub Cow Member	Mon Dec 09 12:02:09 Apparently, he was at the McDonald's because he was taking a cross-country Greyhound that let the passengers off there to eat. Some people are claiming he's Luigi Magione, but this could be a meme just because they look similar: http://www...91588258&set=a.188589687834074 http://x.com/PepMangione/with_replies
murder Member	Mon Dec 09 12:02:36 The guy didn't know enough to lay low.
Cherub Cow Member	Mon Dec 09 12:08:35 If that's his real name (Luigi Mangione), then that definitely looks like the shooter as pictured at the Hostel, and his Twitter is looking pretty right-wing. He follows a lot of right-wing content.
murder Member	Mon Dec 09 12:19:19 I wonder if he's related to Chuck Mangione.
murder Member	Mon Dec 09 12:21:05 I have to imagine that his parents named him Luigi because he's already has a brother named Giuseppe or Mario.
Cherub Cow Member	Mon Dec 09 12:35:44 For posterity: "UnitedHealth Group to Host 2024 Investor Conference" "UnitedHealth Group (NYSE: UNH) will host its annual Investor Conference for analysts and institutional investors in New York City on Wednesday, December 4, 2024, beginning at 8:00 a.m. EST." http://www...-2024-investor-conference.html
Cherub Cow Member	Mon Dec 09 13:23:28 Regime media is starting to confirm that it was indeed Luigi Mangione who was arrested (e.g., NYT https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/12/09/nyregion/uhc-ceo-murder-suspect ). This is his Twitter again: http://x.com/PepMangione/ (I screen-recorded it for if his account goes down) He does indeed have a lot of dissident right-wing content, so my guess seems to be correct. Left-wingers are not competent enough to do these things. :p Some people are still trying to cope under posts such as this: https://x.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1866197199685845116 "The question I have is why was he still carrying his gun, IDs, silencer, etc. 3 days later. Seems awfully convenient." But someone responds: "More targets on the list?" This was probably likely. He clearly intended to attempt getting away with it, which would mean getting back into circulation and doing more. If that were the intent, then abandoning the pistol would just be evidence that could potentially tie him to the crime, so keeping it might also indicate that he purchased it legitimately (to be seen). It is only a shame that apparently some old man identified him at the McDonald's, called police, and police are the ones who saw his fake New Jersey I.D. Lots of narcs out there.
Forwyn Member	Mon Dec 09 13:58:42 Old faggot.
Sam Adams Member	Mon Dec 09 15:22:15 Intelligent kid with a lot of research on hurt backs.
obaminated Member	Mon Dec 09 15:53:28 Left is simping for him hard.
Cherub Cow Member	Mon Dec 09 17:53:19 Maybe the trick to getting the left to love the right was ultra-violence all along.
Cherub Cow Member	Tue Dec 10 14:49:42 There is a potential manifesto rolling around, but its validity is being sorted: https://archive.is/2024.12.09-230659/https://breloomlegacy.substack.com/p/the-allopathic-complex-and-its-consequences Alternate: https://archive.is/7jUsF *If* this were fake, it would be someone faking a Luigi SubStack. That would explain the posting-date of December 9th, the "LM" initials, and Luigi not even having a SubStack in his Link Tree. The user who posted it does not exist anymore: https://substack.com/@breloomlegacy A related NewsWeek article says that SubStack removed the page for "violating Substack's Content Guidelines, which prohibit impersonation" (per SubStack; NewsWeek; December 10th, 2024 https://www.newsweek.com/luigi-mangione-substack-unverified-manifesto-1998598 ). Newsweek reached out to SubStack for more details, so there's a waiting question about how SubStack knows that this was "impersonation". Additionally, a Community Note is going around on Twitter posts saying that the digital manifesto is "fake" and referring people to this NYT statement: [Andy Newman; NYT; December 9th, 2024] http://www...f4-3a8c-5e3d-9aaf-ee420c56001b "The 262-word handwritten manifesto that the police found on Luigi Mangione begins with the writer appearing to take responsibility for the murder, according to a senior law enforcement official who saw the document. It notes that as UnitedHealthcare’s market capitalization has grown, American life expectancy has not. “To save you a lengthy investigation, I state plainly that I wasn’t working with anyone,” he wrote. The note condemns companies that “continue to abuse our country for immense profit because the American public has allowed them to get away with it.”" But none of the phrases from the handwritten note appear in this supposed digital manifesto. But! • Could there be *two* manifestos? Very possibly. • But where is the connection to Luigi in this digital one? The account "Breloomlegacy" uses the initials "LM" and incorporates (plausible) details from Mangione's experience with UnitedHealthCare. A lot of the details are very involved with biographical details which were not known to the public, which paints a credible picture. • If it is really him, did he have time and means to make a SubStack and write this while riding the bus from New York? Yes, absolutely. Mangione was arrested at 9 AM EST on December 9th, and this SubStack page was imaged on Archive.is a little before midnight the same day. Additionally, he was seen actively using a laptop when police approached him in the McDonald's. In other words, the digital manifesto may be real. SubStack would have to check when the account was created, compare the originator-IP to Pennsylvania and/or NY, and ask if the post was submitted before 9 AM December 9th. Hopefully NewsWeek asked them these questions. If the manifesto is indeed real, then it paints a picture of a well-to-do family that lost a lot of wealth over the course of many years while dealing with health issues not aided by their HealthCare plan. This would fit with what was written on shell casings at the scene: "Deny. Defend. Depose." (this likely refers to HealtCare denying coverage, defending their broken policies, and evading legal remedy). This is particularly important to point out because a lot of the accounts claiming "psy-op" are saying that there's no way a rich kid would do something like this without some kind of MK Ultra op. Well, he was *not* rich anymore since his family had gone into debt due to his and his mother's HealthCare costs, basically tanking his future. He also may have been addicted to pain-relief options given a back injury which had huge negative impacts on his life (this aspect could feed MK Ultra beliefs, however). People with back injuries often are in a constant struggle to find comfort. TLDR: There may be two manifestos, one written on paper and one written after the crime and before his arrest. The digital manifesto paints a picture of a family that suffered a HealthCare provider that avoided finding them remedies and caused the family massive emotional and financial costs. Newsweek is waiting for confirmation from SubStack as of "12:33 PM EST", December 10th, 2024.
Cherub Cow Member	Tue Dec 10 14:55:16 "In July, Mangione also reposted a description of Project 2025, a road map for Trump's second term developed by the right-wing think tank The Heritage Foundation, as "qanon but for redditors."" http://www...ed-social-media-154248399.html lulz. Accurate. That's called "Blue Anon" though, or "Blue Sky" as the left calls it.
Cherub Cow Member	Tue Dec 10 14:59:12 Oh, and the SubStack screen name of "BreloomLegacy" also connects to Luigi's Twitter/X account having a Breloom Pokémon in its header.
TheChildren Member	Tue Dec 10 15:03:28 is he 5 foot 3? looks like he peed himself
Cherub Cow Member	Tue Dec 10 15:45:48 He's slightly more than 5'10". His fake driver's license was posted with that height, and others confirmed the height using his arrest pictures. http://med...9338150c6efa2cd7b7ae0ece807e98 And ask how you would look after killing a man and fleeing police. The 262-word paper-manifesto seems to have been released: http://archive.is/k2hHh .. Anyways, one more Newsweek detail about the digital manifesto: http://www.newsweek.com/luigi-mangione-substack-unverified-manifesto-1998598 "Despite Mangione's arrest and charges being a matter of public knowledge, the Substack went live on Monday evening, with a Wayback Machine record showing that it had been "launched" for two hours as of 9:43 pm ET. Page data suggests the post was published at around 6:06 pm ET." The issue here is that Newsweek is using archiving services to figure out the publishing time of the SubStack as opposed to SubStack's own internal information. These are the primary combinations that NewsWeek could be using to search Wayback Machine: https://breloomlegacy.substack.com/ https://substack.com/@breloomlegacy https://breloomlegacy.substack.com/p/the-allopathic-complex-and-its-consequences This may be what NewsWeek is seeing: https://web.archive.org/web/20241210024337/http://breloomlegacy.substack.com/ This does indeed say, "Launched 2 hours ago", but that seems based on when it was *crawled*, not when it was imaged. It was imaged on December 10th at 0243, which does not help and makes it seem like the crawled-time since another page images it late on the 9th (2306) — which is potentially almost 4 hours previously. If anyone can see how WayBack Machine suggests 9:43 PM, then let me know what I'm missing :p This is Newsweek's live update feed for Luigi Mangione stories, so if they get word back from SubStack first then it would be here: http://www.newsweek.com/luigi-mangione-arrest-brian-thompson-killing-shooting-unitedhealthcare-ceo-1998459
obaminated Member	Tue Dec 10 20:13:03 So he is anti woke, wants to ban sex toys and is a musk fanboi. I wonder if the simps on the left are still going to idolize him. He is a skizophrenic I think. It usually manifests in males in their 20s. It makes sense everyone who knows him says he went crazy and disappeared from everyone, including his family, for a while. That ain't something you do because your back hurts.
Paramount Member	Wed Dec 11 01:20:46 I haven’t followed the story. Why does he want to ban sex toys? Is he Mexican? Arab?
jergul large member	Wed Dec 11 01:49:09 Every poster here knows 262 words is barely a footnote to a dedicated manifest author. He needs to step up his game.
jergul large member	Wed Dec 11 01:49:28 manifesto*
murder Member	Wed Dec 11 06:43:58 Luigi doesn't seem to be having as much fun anymore. The rest of this guy's life is going to be rough ... and the healthcare system in this country will continue to be a profiteering hellscape. This is why I say that it's not worth murdering someone unless you can take out enough people to actually make a difference. -
murder Member	Wed Dec 11 06:45:53 "Is he Mexican? Arab?" The dude's name is Luigi. Obviously he's Chinese. -
Seb Member	Wed Dec 11 07:42:13 I mean obviously one doesn't drive structural change by shooting a CEO but your system is totally fucked. Just this massive rent seeking layer between health care provision and those with health care need. From an economic perspective it's a drag on your economy.
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