Utopia Talk / Politics / The Climate Cult

Cherub Cow Member	Sat Jan 13 21:06:36 "Vivek maintains his cool as protestors interrupt. "It’s painful to watch these clueless young people who never learned how to communicate— but inspiring to see how level headed Vivek is. (Bonus for attendees who calmly spoke with the protesters as well)" [January 13th, 2024] http://twitter.com/brucefenton/status/1746154160007835952 via Scott Adams re-Tweet: http://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1746222929359323247
Cherub Cow Member	Sat Jan 13 21:06:39 Notice the tactics here. This is the same shouting down of the opposition we have seen for years now from the indoctrinated cultists of leftist universities. These are the 2017 Evergreen useful idiots, the de-platforming social-media totalitarians, activist-NGO hires, and the May 2020 White House Insurrectionists. Their ability to debate is stunted and destroyed — reduced to interruptions, subject-changes, and Gish-Gallop strategies. Every time they feel themselves losing on one issue, they instinctively bring up other issues to avoid the scrutiny of depth in a terrible modern sophistry. And their talking points are always transparent. They have been convinced of the lie of an existential threat in the spectral-evidence of issues such as "climate change" and "Trump". They have been convinced that a person dying of lung cancer is due to Western energy, and their solution is the destruction of Western and the propping up of the "Global South" through the siphoning of Western wealth to BRICS+. They cannot even hear the tactical manipulation of this — that their entire politics is not about "Trump", or "climate change", or "systemic racism", or "a threat to our democracy" but is about pushing any means of destroying the West and funding BRICS+. Why, for instance, would this American be so dogmatic about "equity" for India? It is a cult. Whether it's.. • TDS bots such as tw who can see only the existence of one man and dedicate years of their lives to following this man's every word, • low-IQ Redditors who cannot detect propaganda, • bleeding-heart leftists who believe that excessive empathy exclusively for those outside of their tribe and nation is somehow a virtue, • bureaucratic destroyers who believe that paperwork and math is reality itself, • climate cultists who trash works of art for social media engagement, • activist Marxists who wish to enslave (achieve the "Master" status of slave morality) from a core sense of their inferiority and resentment of greatness, • lockdown psychopaths who yelled at others for not masking or social-distancing and demanded the annihilation of those who would not comply with rules which were divorced from the realities of viral transmission, • election-deniers who believed that the 2020 election was the "most secure election in history" and that even *asking* or *following* evidence was "undermining our democracy", or • leftist activists who are funded by NGOs as sock puppets and useful idiots to chase "clout" for a cause.. ..it is a cult. They fall for so many hoaxes with eyes open (e.g., Russia collusion, Hawley "fleeing", "very fine people", a Cheney can be trusted, Trump said to inject bleach, Hunter's laptop was Russian disinformation, elections were fair because no court found fraud, January 6th was an "insurrection") that what could be said of their intellect? They lie openly, evade reason, and offer only one solution: comply with your annihilation. It is sad to see so many ruined by this cult, but the world is not the cult; we are not in the Salem courts watching psychopaths implicate us all while we stand without power. They are a spectacle that can be pointed at and laughed at. People are becoming immune to their ploys. When tw or a climate cultist lies, when Sebgul obfuscates, or when ep repeats DNC talking points from a year ago, we no longer have to think, "Perhaps they simply do not know about the truth and can be corrected," and rather we can understand that this cult is resistant to truth and reason by design since their goal is only to achieve the power necessary to destroy the West. They are so incapable of the greatness necessary to engage in a strong society that they must reduce the world to ashes since they lack the virtue to rule over anything else. But we are not them. Our goal is not to oppose them but to discard them and return them to the margins where they belong. Even a Great Lion must sometimes cull the foxes to reduce these petty nuisances. The time for foxes is ending.
Hrothgar Member	Sat Jan 13 21:53:46 It's amazing how much word ejaculate can be thrown around by people who apparently don't like to breath clean air.
Cherub Cow Member	Sun Jan 14 00:21:49 Lol. I made fun of Hrothgar above, and, behold! He appears with more of his bile. For those who didn't get the reference: [CC]: "• election-deniers who believed that the 2020 election was the "most secure election in history" and that even *asking* or *following* evidence was "undermining our democracy"," When I was tracking the election litigation, Hrothgar *repeatedly* showed up in my threads trying to say that I shouldn't even be looking into this information (i.e., shouldn't be reading the judges' decisions directly from the sources and disagreeing with their reasoning). It was sad. He was one of these NPCs who thought that everyone should just obey and accept the Regime narratives and that by merely **paying attention** I was "a threat to our democracy". Pathetic. So, it's completely unsurprising that he was also one of these dogmatic COVID leftists who probably flipped his shit like a "Karen" when people weren't wearing masks. Naturally, even *today*, years after the left's psychotic behavior has been shown to be completely delusional and reactionary, he uses NPC meme logic of, "[Hur hur,] apparently don't like to breath clean air." And it's barely even worth explaining how psychotic this is, but forcing *other* people to make *your* breathing air "clean" with masks is pure psychosis. Aside from the major inefficacy of masks when worn by proles with no biology background or aseptic training (e.g., consider those morons who leave their in-use masks everywhere), mask-psychosis was perfectly representative of the risk-aversion and authoritarian malevolence of the pathetic leftist — the "Little Stalin" fingermen who channeled a child's "hall monitor" status as *adults*. (See also this COVID meme I made in August 2020): http://i.imgur.com/NGizuw9.png (I.e., mask-compliance as liberation was a transparent lie; the scheme was to force compliance with annihilators.) It is the same psychotic leftist thinking that would muzzle all dogs after one dog bites (e.g., anti-2nd Amendment thinking). The leftist, being a coward, insists on hobbling mankind for the safety of his frail body and frail consciousness. This is why risk-aversion is so often a leftist quality. A pathetic coward such as Hrothgar could be seen defending mask mandates as assuredly as he would demand that children wear helmets while walking and that the West stop using oil and nuclear because his toy dog has asthma. Cowards are unable to understand the appeal of a person accepting dangers to earn greatness, and cowards have become so sensitive to the slightest inconvenience that their immediate reaction to social slights is an appeal to Big Brother to punish the strong on behalf of the coward's weak will. But it is as I said: "The time for foxes is ending." The leftist cannot be instructed on these matters. Cowards cannot defend republics — only subvert them. The leftist will be rightly disempowered, returned to the margins by his own sickly character, stripped of his participation awards, and called cowards and traitors for their part in the West's destruction. The Great Lion is awake, and cowards such as Hrothgar will soon disappear as some forgotten grain of sand.
jergul large member	Sun Jan 14 00:50:57 CC You know global warming is just a function of pretty basic chemical physics, right? Known since 1856 after an experiment (by a woman, gasp, and suffragette, gasp, gasp) demonstrated the CO2 heat trapping characteristics compared to say nitrogen. Mitigating the effects of rising temperatures can only be partial and would come at a cost far higher than aiming to just limit CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere. Either way. No skin off my teeth. I live at 71 degrees north, 30 or 80 m above sea level (depending on which residence). Global warming to me personally would be a feature, not a bug.
Cherub Cow Member	Sun Jan 14 01:00:51 [jergul (cowardly slave)]: "k" Pathetic as always. Move along, faggot.
jergul large member	Sun Jan 14 01:12:50 CC I am not even saying you are wrong, merely that I am positioned to take advantage of any oucome. Global warming fueled by the next 40 years of Norwegian oil and gas? Sure, why not? I could learn to appreciate a more temperate climate. CO2 mitigation in a country that runs off hydro-electric? Very foxy of me. Will not the lion starve if the lioness no longer hunts for him? Not sure that metaphore is the best you could have chosen, but you go girl!
Cherub Cow Member	Sun Jan 14 03:06:02 [jergul (cowardly slave)]: "k" I get it, I get it. One word answers. It's lame, but you do you. .. "If you look around eyes of some people you see a kind of demented energy... There is a crease around the eye that tells it, it looks like cyborg gone off-script, these people have an inhuman gaze and are vehicles for something else." http://twitter.com/Babygravy9/status/1746185334499709066 [Sub-Tweet]: "at Trader Joe’s, glad to see my friend, a COVID-Conscious staff, still wearing his mask. My new year wish is to see more people wearing masks and help stop this wave. 1354ppm CO2 levels means ventilation isn’t adequate. Better safe than sorry."
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Jan 14 07:16:51 Jergul You kinda of display all the cultishness in this thread, jumping 2-3 steps ahead of the topic of the thread. Assuming that identifying cultish behavior in climate cultists means you deny global warming. This is exactly what these cultists say when you call them cultists. Further, that even if you don't deny the warming, if you are not onboard with the solutions your cult proscribes to (anemic and wishcasting 14 generations into the future like delusional people who don't appreciate the uncertainty in a weather forecast for tomorrow), they are some kind of heretic. Yea, you are part of the cult, but it's cool that you have no dog in this fight.
jergul large member	Sun Jan 14 09:55:14 Nimi Its not a cult. It would be a least 7 cults from CCs outline. I did not say CC denied global warming, I merely asked her if she undestood how basic the chemical-physics. For cult, see yourself and CC. Projection is kewl and all that. It amuses me greately.
jergul large member	Sun Jan 14 10:02:05 How basic the chemical physics are* It is a good thing that human populations have self-balancing mechanisms. Proven science that any population eventually has to live in balance with its ecology. 300 million is not a projection, moron. It merely states that at current Western birthrates it will take 14 generations to reach Roman era population levels. Arguably still a bit high given it still deforested the Med basin, but we can attribute that to population distribution issues.
jergul large member	Sun Jan 14 10:28:00 CC You probably should include AI in your hostile cult outlook. Algorythms are remarkably good at conditioning humans. Benignly programmed AI personal assistants would end up conditioning humans at an individual level in ways you probably would dislike. "Siri, should I vote this year and who is most closely aligned to my best self interests?"
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Jan 14 10:45:06 "I merely asked her if she undestood how basic the chemical-physics." I didn't say she denied it, I questioned if she was even educated enough to deny it. This is straight from the cult handbook buddy.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Jan 14 10:48:32 I will restate for you, pointing out that people are behaving in a cultish manner about a thing, has nothing to do with the thing being real, imaginary or really a qualitative statement whatsoever about the thing. You going there 0-100 in the blink of an eye, implies you are part of this cult and feel defensive, textbook example.
jergul large member	Sun Jan 14 10:51:57 Nimi You need zero education to deny climate change. You just need a day with snow. You of all people should know that.
jergul large member	Sun Jan 14 10:56:07 Nimi Yah, yah. I get it. Everyone who disagrees with you is in a cult. I get it. I would suggest you work a bit on your axioms. They are rather trite. At least CC has an HP Lovecraft flair to her musings. Yours lack redeeming literary qualities.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Jan 14 11:04:02 You feeling "that everyone who disagrees with you must be in a cult" is indicative of the cultish environment and state of mind you find yourself in. Very sad.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Jan 14 11:06:15 "At least CC has an HP Lovecraft flair to her musings. Yours lack redeeming literary qualities." lol again with these girly insults. I feel honored that you care so much to try to hurt my feelings.
jergul large member	Sun Jan 14 11:08:59 Very sad indeed. Insult? Lovecraft is the shakespeare of Gothic horror. A tremendous author. You are forgiven for not knowing that. How could you without google?
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Jan 14 11:33:10 Aaand he went full retard...
jergul large member	Sun Jan 14 11:36:37 Nimi Lulz. That is what you think happened here? All you did is demonstrate your willfull ignorance of facts. Sad really. But you will always have my pity. That is something at least :).
jergul large member	Sun Jan 14 11:43:25 I think ultimately that is the problem with "cultlike" behaviour. It is very normative and aims to see the world not as it is, but as how you would like it to be. So you are surrounded by "evil" and "retards". How could it be otherwise as only evil retards cannot see the reality you imagine so clearly. I am ok with it. The social democratic house has many rooms. I am happy to let you use a padded one :).
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Jan 14 11:49:33 It's ok that you suck at shit posting, you are probably good at other things, like being in a cult. Jergul Borgensson - Drone of the month!
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Jan 14 11:53:32 So you are surrounded by "evil" and "retards". Yes the internet has amplified the reach and influence of psychopaths and people of questionable intelligence. They can spread their evil and retardation anonymously without any cost to their reputation. You be careful out there ;)
jergul large member	Sun Jan 14 12:32:49 PG Wodehouse certainly used "drone club" antics to good satiric effect (the closest modern equivalent would be a trustfund baby). You, buddy, are not a PG Wodehouse. Careful out there? Why thank you. Felling trees is sort of dangerous I have not yet fully comfortable with it. The dangerous part is not now, but in a bit when I think I know what I am doing, but am not really there. Something to be aware of. If you were thinking of new countrymen from muslim lands, well, there might be one within 40 miles, but I don't know of him. My thoughts and prayers to you too. Try to avoid the nogo zones.
jergul large member	Sun Jan 14 12:33:53 and I am not yet fully confortable*
Seb Member	Mon Jan 15 07:45:13 Nim: What would be a non-cultish way to approach the fact (if you were to assume it was true) that anthropic CO2 emissions were driving a rapid heating of the atmosphere unprecedented in historic record and liable to have serious impact for land use globally?
jergul large member	Mon Jan 15 07:48:38 Seb What a cultish framing of the question. You are already about 20 steps ahead in the thread. What you first need to do is from the Pol-Pot playbook. Recognize you are part of a cult. Self-critise yourself for your cultish failings. Then accept systematic education in the ways of the non-cult. In this way, and only this way, can you be saved.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Jan 15 08:07:36 Seb I will tell you some of the things it doesn't involve: Throwing soup at paintings, blocking traffic, screaming and interrupting meetings, gluing yourself to the pavement and telling people to panic, because we are all going to die in 10 years. If you want a sensible voice, look up Bjorn Lomborg.
jergul large member	Mon Jan 15 08:10:02 How about telling people we are all going to die because people are telling people we are all going to die? Or telling people we are all going to die because migrants have come to a country? Is that cultish behavior?
Cherub Cow Member	Mon Jan 15 08:14:34 "Norway syndrome: a new condition for Western victims of rape" [UK Spectator; Douglas Murray; April 2016] http://www...n-for-western-victims-of-rape/ "A male left-wing politician in Norway – Karsten Nordal Hauken – has spoken out about his rape, a few years ago, at the hands of a Somali refugee. The self-professed feminist and ‘anti-racist’ was subjected to a brutal anal attack in his own home. The culprit was subsequently caught and sentenced to more than four years in prison, though he is now free and due to be deported back to his native Somalia. "All of which has occasioned Hauken to speak out about how guilty he himself feels. Guilty because he says that he is ‘responsible’ for the Somali rapist being returned to Somalia. He explains that ‘[I] had a strong feeling of guilt and responsibility. I was the reason that he would not be in Norway anymore, but rather sent to a dark uncertain future in Somalia.’ He also added that ‘I see him mostly like a product of an unfair world, a product of an upbringing marked by war and despair’. "This is not the first such case. Among others, last year a ‘no-borders’ activist on the French-Italian border was gang-raped by a group of Sudanese immigrants but persuaded to keep quiet about her own rape in case it was used to undermine the open-borders cause. "Everyone now knows the term ‘Stockholm syndrome’, used to describe hostages who take on the perspectives of their kidnappers. Perhaps the Hauken case could be used to coin the term ‘Norway syndrome’, an affliction that causes rape-victims to feel concern over the prospects of their rapists? There certainly should be a term, because I suspect we’re going to need one in our vibrant and exciting future."
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Jan 15 08:23:13 Jergul "Is that cultish behavior?" Not enough information, do you have specific examples?
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Jan 15 08:25:40 I would laugh at the Norway story, but it's just too sad.
jergul large member	Mon Jan 15 08:28:08 Nimi Examples? Sure. Any thread where you and CC engage in the demise of Western civilisation because of traitors. You really should avoid engaging with her. You seem easily radicalised. You have an odd sense of "sad". Sad really.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Jan 15 08:36:43 Not specific enough, I have seen how you behave in those threads. [Citation required]
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Jan 15 08:40:13 You don't think someone getting raped and then blaming themselves for the punishment of their assailant, is sad? Listen, I always took you for the retard and not the psychopath, but you are telling me I'm wrong?
jergul large member	Mon Jan 15 08:59:06 Nimi Ah, I thought you were speaking about treefelling being sad. Survivor's guilt is a known phenonoma. The above story is just a variant. Deportation is not a punishment for the crime. 4 years of jail time was. If we take a british tabloid article from 2016 at face value.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Jan 15 09:02:05 You don't think someone getting raped and then blaming themselves for the punishment of their assailant, is sad?
jergul large member	Mon Jan 15 09:05:45 What part of 4 years in jail was the punishment, not deportation don't you understand? "Jeg kjente en lettelse og glede for at han skulle vekk for alltid. Jeg følte at den norske stat tok på seg ansvaret for å utøve den ultimate hevnen, som en illsint far konfronterer sitt barns overgriper. Men jeg fikk også en sterk følelse av skyld og ansvar. Det var jeg som var grunnen til at han ikke skulle få være i Norge, men heller bli sent til en svært usikker framtid i Somalia. Han hadde jo allerede sonet sin straff i fengsel. Skulle han nå bli straffet på nytt? Og denne gangen mye hardere?" What part of this quote do you find unreasonable? Try to tell me you blame the victim without blaming the victim. Entire link http://www...voldtatt-av-en-mann-1.12852714
Cherub Cow Member	Mon Jan 15 09:09:12 [Nim]: "You don't think someone getting raped and then blaming themselves for the punishment of their assailant, is sad?" Sebgul isn't capable of value judgments. Moral relativism allows the Sebgul to retain its slimy consistency and pour through your fingers. Ideological consistency and principles are for the nobility.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Jan 15 09:09:38 The Norwegian state sentenced him to jail and deporation. What are you disputing? You decided to make a thing out of this and now you are doing everything to evade my question. Is the story sad or are you a psychopath?
jergul large member	Mon Jan 15 09:10:42 Somebody was raped and wanted to reconcil that happening with retaining his personal sense of values. In your world, the only possible outcome to rape is becoming an ultra-right radical? To embrace your value system. Do you want to show us on the doll where that man touched you?
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Jan 15 09:12:49 CC Morally amorphous comes to mind as a concept.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Jan 15 09:15:51 Jergul I said, the story is too sad to laugh at and now you are having a melt down, avoiding my question, because you decided to make a thing about the concept "sadness". As I felt sad reading it, not the satirical kind of sad, that you are right now.
jergul large member	Mon Jan 15 09:16:36 Nimi If you check what he was sentenced to, you will find it was 4.5 years of prison. That the Alien office afterwards determined he was in violation of their terms is an administrative step outside of our judicial system. The man has recourse, but the courts will only test the validity of the administrative decision. The USSR pulled that kind of crap on dissidents all the time. Using administrative measures to penalize people and render them unemployable in their fields. On the bright side, custodians and janitors in the USSR ended up with high academic performances and great artistic merits overall. People, even dissidents, taking the jobs they can get.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Jan 15 09:18:25 adjective 1. feeling or showing sorrow; unhappy. <<< THE RAPE STORY "I was sad and subdued" Similar: unhappy sorrowful Opposite: happy cheerful 2. INFORMAL pathetically inadequate or unfashionable. <<<< JERGUL "the show is tongue-in-cheek—anyone who takes it seriously is a bit sad"
jergul large member	Mon Jan 15 09:20:59 I get it. Nobody is radicalized in their own mind. But you should take a good close look at why you think honour crimes are particularly horrible and why judicial sentencing is not punishment enough. For my part, I get what the guy is trying to do. He is attempting to overcome trauma and limit how much it changes him as a person. Good for him.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Jan 15 09:22:35 Jergul The fact that you find his punishment of deportation an injustice, is your opinion and not relevant to the fact that he was punished this way, nor does it answer if you find the story sad or not.
Cherub Cow Member	Mon Jan 15 09:23:07 Just keep in mind that jergul's society is so cucked that a mass murderer killed 77 people there and is currently playing X-Box and/or Playstation in a resort prison. A rape victim feeling guilty that his rapist was punished too harshly is natural to those people.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Jan 15 09:24:22 "He is attempting to overcome trauma and limit how much it changes him as a person." And when you see people in pain, do you get happy, sad, don't feel anything at all?
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Jan 15 09:26:45 "But you should take a good close look at why you think honour crimes are particularly horrible and why judicial sentencing is not punishment enough." Do you have any citations where I say or otherwise imply that I think "honor" crimes are particularly horrible. Are you sure I have not said things to the opposite in effect and asked "Why is rape considered worse than assault". Think about it before you answer this one.
jergul large member	Mon Jan 15 09:29:02 Nimi I note that you seem incapable of drawing the distinction between legal and extra-legal punishment for crimes of honour. Could you be more from the ME? "For my part, I get what the guy is trying to do. He is attempting to overcome trauma and limit how much it changes him as a person. Good for him." What emotion am I expressing there?
jergul large member	Mon Jan 15 09:31:33 ========= ========= Anyway, we will have to agree to disagree at this juncture.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Jan 15 09:35:11 Well of course you are not going to answer, because that would mean you have to admit getting the dictionary definition of "sad" wrong, after telling me I have a strange definition. You should use google more before you hit submit, will save you these kind of embarrassment and petty melt downs.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Jan 15 09:40:00 "What emotion am I expressing there?" That is a very autistic, perhaps the most autistic example we have had on UP as of late. Imagine it was your daughters and you are saying the emotion you would feel would *simply* be expressed "good for her", it's not any more complex than that? That is all the kinds of sad, buddy.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Jan 15 09:43:13 It's ok that you fucked up a word buddy, it happens, we all do that. That is no reason you for to have this melt down and retreat into some emotionally retarded super autist, that thinks "good for him" hearing someone struggle to overcome the trauma from a rape.
jergul large member	Mon Jan 15 09:44:08 You are talking to the hand, buddy. Anyway, back on track. How does one express the chemophysical characteristics of CO2 in a non-cult way in your mind, friend?
Cherub Cow Member	Mon Jan 15 09:45:01 Let's check in on the Climate Cult's thoughts on the slave revolt's oppressor/oppressed religious dialectic: "There is no such thing as a “moderate.” Not on Hinge. Not in politics. Not in life. If you are not struggling for liberation you are on the team of the oppressor. Which side are you on?" [Climate Defiance; January 14th, 2024] http://twi...nce/status/1746622778772422720 Here's an un-related quotation attributed to Mussolini: "It is necessary to act, to move, to fight and, if necessary, to die. Neutrals have never dominated events. They have always gone under. It is blood which moves the wheels of history!" — Benito Mussolini
jergul large member	Mon Jan 15 09:47:55 CC Are you able to express yourself like a normal human being? #justcurious
Cherub Cow Member	Mon Jan 15 11:09:07 [jergul (cowardly slave who admitted to being a slave)]: "k" http://uto...hread=92453&time=1704972231304 Yes, yes, sebgul. I get it. The same one-word answers and no engagement where you expect your position to be catered to but where you provide no such courtesy to others. I get it. You're only "pretending" to be retarded. Take the spam elsewhere and stop filling up this thread with your hijacker nonsense. It is as I said: "The time for foxes is ending." Sebguls are such cowards of the left that they cannot break through the symptoms of the slave revolt. But the slave revolt cannot be projected upon others in a leftist semantic game — its properties are fixed — thus the leftist's projections are revealed as he slavishly attempts these deceptions. More concretely: As I said of the leftist slave cult, "Whether it's.. [any number of these sub-sects] ..it is a cult." The sebgul will pretend that it is *I* who am following a "dogma" for pointing *out* the dogma — an argument as transparently absurd as claiming that someone observing a carnival side-show must him or herself *be* a carny — but this is indeed the dogma of the leftist slave cult and theirs alone. And that Tweet was one example in an endless sea of examples. Here again: "If you are not struggling for liberation you are on the team of the oppressor." — "Climate Defiance"; climate-change activist organization Why do we suppose so many leftists are trapped in this oppressor/oppressed language? Why do we suppose that a climate-change activist organization would be interested in the oppressor/oppressed binary as much as a BLM activist would be? Shouldn't we be talking about the "chemophysical characteristics of CO2 in a non-cult way"? It's an interesting thing, isn't it? The leftist slave cult has no curiosity for this sort of thing since the cult knows only what its masters allow them to know, but it's incredibly obvious: it is Hegel's Master–Slave dialectic. • oppressor/oppressed • Master/slave It's not that complicated. The dialectic is a psychological trap which has fools believe that they can only be one or the other. jergul can attest to this. He thought he'd call himself a "master" and win. That's how stupid he is. That's the first-order thinking limitation of the leftist. People of the right will think that they can convince the left of their climate errors in a reasoned debate, but the leftist slave cult is not concerned with reason. This is a meme of their motivations: http://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalCompassMemes/comments/zt2myd/the_quadrants_argue_about_how_to_fight_climate/?rdt=38400 — "Climate change will kill us all, let's dismantle our socio-economic system to prevent it!" — "How about nuclear power?" — "I don't want nuclear power! I want to dismantle our socio-economic system!" A sebgul will burn your argument to the ground with the Jergul Method of obfuscation the moment his "chemophysical characteristics of CO2" layman pop-science disintegrates under scrutiny. This is because the slave is only interested in the direction of the slave revolt. Oil barons are the "oppressors" and the "oppressed" are those whose toy dogs got asthma. Only "equity" for the "Global South" can fix this! (lol)
jergul large member	Mon Jan 15 11:58:55 You could just say no, sis. No need to elaborate so profusely.
Seb Member	Mon Jan 15 12:14:43 Nim: Bjorn Lomborg is not sensible. While the principles he claims to hold are fine, they are not the ones he actually adheres to on climate. I can point to numerous statements he has made that that are based on assumptions no sensible person would make and clear cherry-picking of results. He's a professional contrarian who monetises a "cargo cult" version of rationalist skepticism.
Dukhat Member	Mon Jan 15 13:57:43 The only people I’ve seen brainwashed as Cherub is the women who marry their abusers and rapists.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Jan 15 14:13:59 So, what I am reading is that Bjorn Lomborg acts as a litmus test for identifying climate cultists and, as in your case, the cult hang around waiting to be initiated. Fascinating.
jergul large member	Mon Jan 15 15:31:47 Easier just to identify cultists by their STEM credentials. Though obviously, you dont really need a BSc. to understand that atmospheric CO2 traps heat.
jergul large member	Mon Jan 15 15:34:20 Seb When is the next cult meeting? Should I bring anything? Perhaps a fruitcake. I will ask him if he wants to come. Nimi Want to come the a cult meeting?
jergul large member	Mon Jan 15 15:34:51 to a cult meeting*
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Jan 15 15:35:56 Jergul "You could just say no, sis. No need to elaborate so profusely." You need new material. Like 5 years ago.
Cherub Cow Member	Mon Jan 15 20:07:22 He really does. He peaked in elementary school with, "no u". And here's more of Dukhat's projection... and this time it's especially sad D: [Dukhat (Projection Bot)]: "The only people I’ve seen brainwashed as [Dukhat] is the women who marry their abusers and rapists." Did Dukhat marry his abuser/rapist? D: Is Dukhat... *especially* Norwegian? D: D: D: D:
Dukhat Member	Mon Jan 15 22:16:07 You literally brainwashed yourself because you thought "The Last Jedi" was too "woke" and now spew constant nonsense. It's absurd.
jergul large member	Mon Jan 15 22:17:44 CC How about this. I will do new material when you do new material :). Though I am pretty sure I never invited our fruitcake to a cult meeting before.
Cherub Cow Member	Mon Jan 15 23:12:00 [jergul (cowardly slave who admitted to being a slave)]: "k" That's cute, faggot, but you're not fooling anyone. Only a fucking idiot would sincerely believe that cults need to have "cult meetings" in the world of social media and Regime propaganda, so your red herring here is yet another of your pathetic "I'm only *pretending* to be retarded" playground tactics. The most hilarious thing about this leftist slave cult is that it is reinforced by their tremendous ignorance, and their poor (slavish) characters make them as predictable as nitrogen in a tank; their behaviors are determined by a closed system which they do not possess the mind to escape since their belief in materialism demands that they act as predictably as a purified inert gas. I.e., sebgul has such a weak and subservient character that he will never bother learning the truth beyond his immediate conditioning. His combative diaper-shitting will never cease; he will forever refuse to learn anything new, and therefore the Flavor Aid will go to his stomach without the slightest bit of protest. The Norway Syndrome. You wouldn't want to punish your annihilators! It's so cruel! Caring about your very survival would mean "becoming an ultra-right radical"! D: D: D: !! [Dukhat (Projection Bot)]: "You literally brainwashed yourself because you thought "The Last Jedi" was too "woke" and now spew constant nonsense. / It's absurd." lol. No. I appreciate your pathetic Reddit-level projections and cynical reductions in the anthropological sense of it demonstrating a doomed creature that will disappear entirely from the phylogenetic tree, but your narrative is outright false. "The Last Jedi" thread is just the only thread you could *attempt* to comprehend since the Redditor is perpetually stuck in Disney/Marvel references as his framework for understanding the world, and thus your low-IQ is applying some Jungian synchronicity to make more of that thread than it was. But I am not some pathetic "Critical Drinker" cretin who must re-hash the Last Jedi every week to struggle to understand what happened there. I elucidated its framework and moved on, while you — like the Critical Drinker — remain usefully in ignorance. Maybe you too will get a guest spot on Ben Shapiro if you continue to demonstrate your subservience? But it is as I said: "The time for foxes is ending." I have spent years trying to explain to these leftists the mechanics of the slave revolt, and yet cretins such as sebgul still make the most basic of errors when they try to finally address it. They cannot overcome the learning disability of their characters, and so they will be obliterated by history like a falling leaf in wild waters.
jergul large member	Tue Jan 16 00:09:14 CC "very survival" See, that is one of the reasons your thoughts are literally unhinged. They dont have a rational anchor. In this case, you have upended Maslow. The threats you see are to your self-actualization and you seem willing to degrade self-esteem, love and belonging, safety and security, and physiological needs. Which is fine. You do you. But there is a self in self-actualization. Others get to do themselves. So what if you are surrounded by slavish cultists self-actualizing in their own way? To each their own. None of your business frankly. Help, you are being oppressed? Well, try voting.
Cherub Cow Member	Tue Jan 16 00:50:32 [jergul (cowardly slave who admitted to being a slave)]: "k" More pathetic straw man arguments from the sebgul cultist. sebgul is literally incapable of reading comprehension much less of responding to a steel man argument. Each time he responds he produces another fallacy, this time "dont have a rational anchor" — a thought so completely idiotic that believing it requires that he completely forget the subject of the Norway Syndrome and that being violently raped and advocating for the continued success of your foreigner rapist is maybe against one's survival instinct. It is very directly advocating for the genetic success of your enemy at the expense of your own. So, again, we have to accept that sebgul is "only *pretending* to be retarded". For the cultist, caring about being raped is just "upended Maslow". This is consistent with his slavery, since slaves invert basic moral principles such as self-preservation. This inversion is a key ingredient of slave morality. The slave values the distant other over his own life. I, on the other hand, do not have to play sebgul's pathetic and slavish games. I can simply tell you that such acts against my body would necessitate absolute death and/or permanent imprisonment for the rapist and that any failure by the state in this matter would not overcome this absolute. These are principles which cowards such as sebgul would never hold since the very idea that the totalitarian Regime would surrender *its* say in the matter is objectionable to them. This is why the very *idea* of self defense is unheard of for the sebgul, as seb has demonstrated with his anti-firearm-ownership stance and as jergul demonstrates here with his pro-rapist stance. A key ingredient of this leftist cult logic in this instance is that the individual must not exert power over a slavish client group. The "body" for the slave is the Regime — not his or her own actual individual body. People have pointed this out, for instance, in the case of Rittenhouse, whom the Regime opposed because he had the *audacity* to defend his own life and that of his noble society, whereas the anarcho-tyranny of the slave revolt must only protect the slave castes. The Norwegian Syndrome slave thus must let his body be raped so that the Regime's further annihilation can continue — that is the true "upended Maslow" and a pure characteristic of slave morality. The anthropological goal of this thread is being achieved through sebgul's derangements. We could not ask for better examples of the psychology of the Last Man — of the leftist slave cult.
jergul large member	Tue Jan 16 01:05:48 CC You do not have to play any games beyond those of your on dogmatic creation of course. I am simply illustrating that applied theory is incompatible with your take on Nietzsche. Science generally does trump normative pathos, no matter how loosely based on some 19th century dude. While you don't have to play games, I would love to hear how your particular brand of understanding is supposed to have real world value. What is the practical use of thinking the way you do?
Cherub Cow Member	Tue Jan 16 01:15:08 [jergul (cowardly slave who admitted to being a slave)]: "k" And here is more of the same: "You do not have to play any games beyond those of your on dogmatic creation of course." Asked and answered. sebgul, being illiterate, is now recycling his former errors. It's like a child in a "No!" loop. I already explained that I am elucidating *his* dogmas (the dogmas of the cult which the *cultist* observes). These are *not* my dogmas. They are demonstrably owned by the sebgul cultist. To demonstrate: Do *I* see the world as an oppressor/oppressed binary? No. Does the cultist? Yes. As I said already, "The sebgul will pretend that it is *I* who am following a "dogma" for pointing *out* the dogma — an argument as transparently absurd as claiming that someone observing a carnival side-show must him or herself *be* a carny — but this is indeed the dogma of the leftist slave cult and theirs alone." But sebgul is too pathetic even to understand this one sentence, as his terminal lack of character requires that he remain foolish and impotent.
Seb Member	Tue Jan 16 03:41:54 Nim: Bjorn Lomborg is definitely a litmus test for cultish behaviour. The cargo cult of "rational skeptics" who want to repeat smug pseudo-rationalist takes without doing the effort of actual thinking. This is very on brand for you - cf. flirtations with the fluffier ends of evolutionary psychology etc. Jergul: Ok that made me laugh. CC: "Do *I* see the world as an oppressor/oppressed binary?" Then how come you are the only one here that insists on adopting this framing?
Cherub Cow Member	Tue Jan 16 04:37:04 [CC]: ""Do *I* see the world as an oppressor/oppressed binary?"" [Seb (actual literal traitor to the West)]: "Then how come you are the only one here that insists on adopting this framing?" Do non-sebguls see how fucking retarded sebgul is? You have to repeat yourself a thousand fucking times to these cretins, and *still* they are too dense or illiterate to understand. This was from the *same* comment that seb just quoted: "As I said already, ""The sebgul will pretend that it is *I* who am following a ""dogma" for pointing *out* the dogma — an argument as transparently absurd as claiming that someone observing a carnival side-show must him or herself *be* a carny — but this is indeed the dogma of the leftist slave cult and theirs alone."" It's the same pathetic behavior that seb displayed in the trans delusion threads ( http://uto...hread=91859&time=1689804046392 ) and which I made fun of him for there. I think the joke I made was something like a sebbish criminal being arrested for doing criminal shit and the sebbish criminal telling the police, "OMG, why do you care so much about criminal shit?" That is, seb is the criminal asking why people are so "[insistent] on adopting this framing" of prosecuting criminals. It's a pathetic obfuscation tactic. If you weren't be fucking criminals, the police wouldn't have to arrest you. In the case of slave morality, if you weren't being slavish destroyers who openly adopt the oppressor/oppressed binary, then I wouldn't have to point it out. *You* are using this framework, and *I* am pointing out your behavior, you fucking idiot.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Tue Jan 16 05:17:23 Cherub Cow "*You* are using this framework, and *I* am pointing out your behavior, you fucking idiot." I am at first tempted to say they are doing some really facile trolling, but they actually view the world this way, because we have seen this mentality of shooting the messenger in practically every topic. Recently I was explaining for Jergul how barbaric Islam is, well then *I* was dehumanizing people (Muslims).
Seb Member	Tue Jan 16 05:35:29 CC[Actual Literal Traitor Turtle!]: You keep accusing everyone else of adopting this "oppressor/opressed" "Master/Slave" dichotomies. Nobody else does. Predicting that I would point that out doesn't make it an invalid observation. So what it is actually like is you, staring at a rorshach test, and premptively complaining to the psychiatrist that he's a pervert who is going to show you all those pictures of vagainas.
Seb Member	Tue Jan 16 05:36:59 You say I am using this framework, but no. I am not. I am normally the one going "Well actually it's a bit more complicated than that" - and you are the one that keeps offering simplistic false dichotomies. Like agreeing with you, or being a traitor to the west.
Seb Member	Tue Jan 16 05:38:16 Nim: The sheet irony of CC complaining that people see the world in binary "opressor and oppressed" and you giving an example of this a case where you are attempting to lump all Muslims into an "oppressor" cateogry. Chapeau. Top level trolling.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Tue Jan 16 05:43:42 "You say I am using this framework, but no. I am not." Only if you ignore all the receipt she has on you doing this. And this is how you cope with CC, you ignore everything and constantly make sure you keep telling her you are ignoring what she writes. "Well actually it's a bit more complicated than that" This is true, you constantly try to complicate things and this throws people off, but those of us who have followed you to the end, realize it's a debate tactic. You are complicating things, and trying to sell it as nuancing a complex issue.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Tue Jan 16 05:46:34 Seb "The sheet irony of CC complaining that people see the world in binary "opressor and oppressed" and you giving an example of this a case where you are attempting to lump all Muslims into an "oppressor" cateogry." What example is that and where can we read it?
Cherub Cow Member	Tue Jan 16 06:09:17 [Seb (actual literal traitor to the West)]: "CC[Actual Literal Traitor Turtle!]:" #TheLeftCantMeme [Seb (actual literal traitor to the West)]: "You keep accusing everyone else of adopting this "oppressor/opressed" "Master/Slave" dichotomies. Nobody else does." This is where you're wrong, kiddo. And, for the record, you said, "Nobody". Don't move the goal posts, you slimy POS. • "Palantir CEO Alex Karp, whose business has dealings with the intelligence apparatuses of "almost every Western country", appears in a WEF interview wherein he casually mentions Hegel's Master–Slave Dialectic, which seems to come to mind when he discusses his business motivations." http://twitter.com/CherubCow/status/1620398412679229441 • Here's the Wiki page on intersectionality. Do a ctrl+f for "oppress" — 52 instances: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersectionality Why do you suppose intersectionality is concerned with an oppressor/oppressed binary? Simple: it elevates the most oppressed group (this is the logic of the slave revolt). • Search rhetoric around Israel/Palestine post-October 2023. Why do you suppose they refer to Palestinians as "oppressed" and Israelis as the "oppressor"? Here's one by someone who changed their SN to "END ALL COLONIALISM, FREE PALESTINE" "Too often oppressed people compete with each other for greater proximity to the oppressor rather than join in solidarity to dismantle oppression." http://twitter.com/BreeNewsome/status/1746949155434455264 • The climate cultist organization from above: "If you are not struggling for liberation you are on the team of the oppressor. Which side are you on?" [Climate Defiance; January 14th, 2024] http://twitter.com/ClimateDefiance/status/1746622778772422720 • Here's a BLM Marxist making a statement nearly identical to that of the climate cultist posted above: "if you are silent in the face of injustice then you have chosen the side of the oppressor." http://twitter.com/DrKarimWafa/status/1747213890973307104 You might be thinking perhaps from some low-IQ belief that you don't use those specific *words*, "[Aha! No one *here* in *UP* adopts this dichotomy!]" But all of you UP leftists have. The oppressor/oppressed false dichotomy of slave morality is used in the following leftist frameworks: • ESG/DEI / "sustainability" governance • CRT / Critical Theory • SEL • the SDGs • "equity" (e.g., "equity" for the "Global South") • "dismantle systems of oppression" / "historically oppressed" rhetoric • "systemic racism" • "global governance" • "climate change" • "gender inequality" / transition services • "marginalized communities" Pretty much all of the frameworks that you yourself have lauded in these forums are built upon an oppressor/oppressed binary where the goal is to relocate/redistribute funds based on "oppressed" status. This is the slave revolt. You yourself were in a thread with jergul saying that you didn't get what the big deal is with supporting CRT initiatives since they fix "historical inequalities". What's wrong with that, right? It's the Master–Slave dialectic. If you had read this far (unlikely), you could even research further by going to the UN's SDGs pages and looking for the above phrases. These phrases come from Frankfurt School thinkers such as Herbert Marcuse (a Marxist) and left-wing activists such as Saul Alinsky. Marcuse directly cites Hegel's dialectic in his work, and Alinsky directly cites Nietzsche's work on slave morality while citing Marcuse and Hegel. I have been over all of this before. With you and the other UP leftists, I am speaking these truths to the stones as fruitlessly as Titus Andronicus. You have no idea that this is the core framework that you have adopted, and yet it guides your very ideology. [Nim]: "I am at first tempted to say they are doing some really facile trolling, but they actually view the world this way, because we have seen this mentality of shooting the messenger in practically every topic. Recently I was explaining for Jergul how barbaric Islam is, well then *I* was dehumanizing people (Muslims)." It's always that line with sebgul. It's Step 7 of the Jergul Method: "Tell yourself that it's a good thing that it's sometimes unclear if you're just a fucking idiot or a helpless troll while ignoring that a life spent practicing either behavior has perhaps made you into both." That is, are they retarded or just pretending to be? At some point, there is no distinction.
Seb Member	Tue Jan 16 06:25:17 Nim: Scribbling nonsense in crayon on a piece of paper that has no factual correspondence isn't commonly accepted as a receipt.
Seb Member	Tue Jan 16 06:26:36 "This is true, you constantly try to complicate things" Oh no, reality doesn't fit into your simplistic little false dichotomy! Better accuse the people telling you that of adopting simple binary heuristics.. That makes sense.
Seb Member	Tue Jan 16 06:29:37 Cc: "This is where you're wrong, kiddo. And, for the record, you said, "Nobody". Don't move the goal posts, you slimy POS." She says, neatly redefining "nobody else" from the context of this forum to the entire known universe. Talk about slimy. My child grew out of this kind of rhetoric and she's only just turned 8.
Seb Member	Tue Jan 16 06:31:01 The only one seriously adopting this framework here is you, as a way to interpret everyone else's arguments and reasoning. Which is simply unhinged.
Cherub Cow Member	Tue Jan 16 06:33:32 "She says, neatly redefining "nobody else" from the context of this forum to the entire known universe." There Seb goes again, not reading. Slimy piece of shit.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Tue Jan 16 06:34:41 Seb Reality is often complex and nuanced, but over-educated idiots make simple things complicated. "from the context of this forum to the entire known universe." Well we could have guessed you would ignore the second part of the post, didn't we? Classic Sebgul behavior.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Tue Jan 16 06:35:01 hahah :)
Cherub Cow Member	Tue Jan 16 06:42:29 Having to read is seb's greatest weakness, so it's great that he's lingered for so long in a text-based forum.. wait. :|
jergul large member	Tue Jan 16 12:14:58 CC I am still mildly curious as to how "calling out" slavish cultists is supposed to help. What do you think you are doing? A keyboard jihad? To what end? Mindwash a single succeptable victim from a useless country posting in a dead end forum? You have spent years doing that. How does that spell anything other than L O S E R?
jergul large member	Tue Jan 16 12:17:53 By useless country I meant the social democratic one with no go zones. Not the heroin addled fascist technocracy.
Cherub Cow Member	Tue Jan 16 20:47:08 "in a dead end forum?" jerg-tard here being painfully fucking stupid again. jerg-tard thinks that nothing exists outside of UP, apparently (or has forgotten as a fish at night forgets the sun). I comment much more elsewhere and have convinced larger accounts to pay attention to this information (e.g., James Lindsay overtly stole some of my material and so did Critical Drinker). Not everyone is as hard-headed, stupid, and learning-disabled as yourself, jerg-tard. Some people can actually incorporate new information into their worldview. Not you. But some people. And UP is instructive for organizing information, mentally exercising, and seeing the psychological stupidities of the common cult-leftist, such as sebgul, tw, ep, murder, or dukhat. sebgul is useful in the same way that a Western anthropologist visiting mudhuts in Africa would find low-IQ Africans useful. tw is useful in coming to the difficult conclusion that some cultists cannot be redeemed. There is always more to learn. This is obvious to people who are not learning-disabled. Just because a pathetic weakling such as jergul has attached himself to the UP hull like a barnacle does not mean that the world that he happens upon is as sickly and weak as himself. That is a barnacle's imagination — this is the logic of pathetic and ugly teens who assume that anyone who approaches them must be as dysfunctional as they are. Such low self-esteem would have these dysfunctional sebguls approached by miracles and assume that they must not be miracles because the sebgul knows that they do not deserve them. Nim is your better, jergul. Your resentment for this fact does not undo the fact that Nim still possesses the neuroplasticity that you never had. Some people can learn into old age, but you were always poor in spirit and so have no imagination for this possibility. ... The climate cult has captured world governments: "NEW - John Kerry Says Not One Democratically Elected Politician Can Stop the Climate Agenda ""If you wound up with a different President who was opposed to climate crisis, I got news for you. No one politician anywhere in the world can undo what is happening now...The only issue for all of us is not whether or not we can get or will get to a low carbon, no carbon economy globally. We will. The only question is, will we get there in time to meet the challenge of the scientists in order to avoid the worst consequences of this crisis. That is what is at stake."" [January 16th, 2024] http://twitter.com/TheChiefNerd/status/1747351617282650556 I pointed this out with sustainability governance being embedded in world frameworks. The G-Index demonstrates this compliance, and only legislative action and the purging of Bolsheviks from the bureaucracy can undo this harm.
Cherub Cow Member	Tue Jan 16 21:54:44 Here's Climate Defiance again harassing a politician. They focus in particular on Manchin because DNC propaganda identifies Manchin as too "moderate", which caused the extremist party (the DNC) to lose some votes: [January 16th, 2024] http://twi...nce/status/1747288132507042044 Their website: http://www.climatedefiance.org/ Why would climate cultists have a vision to "Stand in solidarity with our sister-struggles for racial and economic justice"? Why would climate cultists be concerned with "A deadly assault on democracy. Mass shootings"? It is because the climate cult is a direct-action arm of globalist left-wing politics. Their belief in the necessity of these absurd shout-down events is directly tied into the belief in DNC hoaxes such as the Capitol "insurrection", the need to disarm sovereign citizens, the "stand in solidarity" Marxism refrain, and the transparently oppressor/oppressed anarcho-tyrannies of "racial and economic justice". The conclusions of the ideology pre-figure its discharge of power. It seeks totalitarianism, and justifications such as "climate change" and "racial justice" are merely the issues that the leftist slave cult uses to achieve this global tyranny.
jergul large member	Tue Jan 16 22:06:03 CC It would be credible, but for 4/5ths of your musings being targetted viterol with no possible external relevance. Take your decade long stalking of Seb for example. What external value could that have? Or indeed, if you have better, more wide reaching fora, why are you wasting your time here? My over-under guess would be 5 people reading a post or so per thread you create. An average thanksgiving dinner would make up a larger target audience. So what gives? My theory would be Maslow's self-actualization. You know, the tiny little pyramid at the top of a much larger pyramid. You post here because sometimes it make you feel good. It is interesting to see you try to bridge the gap between personal self-actualization (thinking about stuff that makes you feel good) and things that actually matter in the real world. Can you do better than dreamy normative prescription, or is that all you've got?
Cherub Cow Member	Tue Jan 16 22:25:38 [jergul (cowardly slave)]: "k" sebgul once again shitting and pissing himself in defeat. Sad. His entire argument hinges on ignoring anything I've said, but he pretends that his debate is structured. Pathetic, as always. Move along, faggot. You are the one doing the stalking. You did not make this thread, yet you've commented here 33 times to fill it. Do you give tw this attention in his threads? No. Because you are a coward. But I will repair your cowardice with my virtues. I am relocating your comment to his thread. See if he gives you the reason that I waste on you. Look into the eyes of your fellow cultist and try to see virtue in its slave doctrines.
Cherub Cow Member	Tue Jan 16 22:29:06 "Disgraced Climate Czar..John Kerry…flew his Private Jet to Davos to complain about the Peasants using ‘Carbon’. He’s a Hypocrite and a Liar. He wants you to believe that taxing people into Poverty will change the Weather." http://twi...l10/status/1747425265297358977
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