Utopia Talk / Politics / Republican Primaries (spoiler Alert)

Im better then you 2012 UP Football Champ	Mon Jan 15 11:34:19 DeSantis is fucked in both Iowa and NH. He'll drop out he just hasn't decided which day in Jan yet. Nikki Haley has a chance in NH (the state McCain won) which may give her a long shot at winning SC her home state but if she can't win South Carolina she is also fucked. Truth is Trump won this primary before it even started. Talking to Republicans about Trump's criminal indictments and legal problems is like talking to your grandparents about porn. They don't want to hear it and you don't want to tell them about it.
Rugian Member	Mon Jan 15 12:31:39 Notice how this thread is called "Republican Primaries" because the "Democratic" Party doesn't believe in democracy and has canceled any primaries that could result in embarrassing to the senile idiot.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Jan 15 13:43:54 yet Dems will end up w/ a more fit candidate... & one who doesn't openly reject democracy still a chance to be a 3rd party election, surely the atmosphere has never been better
Rugian Member	Mon Jan 15 13:48:52 "yet Dems will end up w/ a more fit candidate" Incorrect "& one who doesn't openly reject democracy" BLATANTLY incorrect...Biden is easily the most anti-democratic president in modern history, unless you believe that "democracy" means having the right to vote for the Democratic Party and no one else
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Jan 15 14:54:25 so Biden strong-armed the DNC into no debates? the DNC was totally against him but they were unable to resist him just like he strong-armed multiple prosecutors into corrupt prosecutions?... shaming themselves & their families & putting their careers & lives at risk, but they had no choice what a powerful senile walking corpse
Rugian Member	Mon Jan 15 15:22:24 No one ever claimed that the senior fraud wasn't getting help. The party elites seem perfectly happy to prop him up as their Trojan Horse for unleashing far-left disastrous policies upon this country. And yes, aside from the politicized prosecutions (which they totally are, no matter how much you protest otherwise), he has very strong hallmarks of an authoritarian on multiple fronts, from characterizing the entire opposition as extremists, to pressuring social media companies to crack down on free speech, to mammoth executive orders designed to completely end-run the role of Congress (despite knowing ahead of time that they're completely unconstitutional), to his efforts to undermine the legitimacy of the Supreme Court (when they have the audacity to strike down said unconstitutional EOs), to his party's repeated attempts to get opposition candidates thrown off the ballot (and not just Trump...but also Greens and Libertarians), to him selectively deciding which laws he decides to enforce or not (see also: his self-made border crisis), to his entire MO of trying to centralize power over the national economy and society in his office via a variety of administrative rulings I could go on...but I think I made my point. He can call himself pro-democracy all he wants, but his "democracy" is one in which his party is the only one trusted to run America.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Jan 15 16:39:22 "aside from the politicized prosecutions" zero evidence Biden influencing any, i don't care how much you & your cult want to say so... also, why can't your side defend ANY of the details or even mention them ------------------------ "from characterizing the entire opposition as extremists" false, MAGA isnt the entire R party & vs your cult's guy's saying Dems are evil (kind of a strong word, way more than extremists), out to destroy America, trying to kill god, communist marxist extremists (hey, 'extremists' too)... etc etc -------- "to pressuring social media companies to crack down on free speech" how's that working? (& i don't even know what you're talking about) meanwhile, your cult's guy pressuring ALL media to be pro-Trump propaganda -------- "to mammoth executive orders designed to completely end-run the role of Congress" same... plus your cult's guy saying he wants to be a dictator on certain issues (& really means all issues) plus MANY times as 'prez' told Mitch to 'go nuclear' & just ram shit through ------- "to his efforts to undermine the legitimacy of the Supreme Court" some pretty weak efforts... and vs your cult's guy undermining legitimacy of EVERY court including Supreme Court --------- "to his party's repeated attempts to get opposition candidates thrown off the ballot" yeah 'his party's', as in not him... vs Trump: 'Obama not born here, Cruz Canadian, Haley not born here' you apply every broad complaint of Dems to Biden specifically whereas for everything in reverse it actually IS Trump ----------- "to him selectively deciding which laws he decides to enforce or not " good lord... you really want to compare lawlessness? ---------- and back to your original complaint your cult's likely candidate will have participated in the same number of debates as Biden
kargen Member	Mon Jan 15 17:07:22 Biden didn't strong arm anybody. The people behind the curtain control Biden and the DNC. Now they are beginning to panic because they didn't have a plan beyond beat Trump in 2020. President Biden has said many times while out in public I am going to get into trouble. He isn't just being funny. He gets reprimanded when he goes off script and lets slip often that is happening. The DNC is preventing anyone from running against Biden in any meaningful way and is protecting Biden by not allowing debates and changing the primary schedule for his benefit. The RNC is preventing Trump from participating in any debate. They say he did not qualify for the debates.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Jan 15 17:18:26 "The RNC is preventing Trump from participating in any debate." good lord... seriously, what the fuck happened to you people... ------------- & not to kargen just your whole fucked up cult on docs, that you dismiss as 'weaponization'... yet it definitely isn't given the immense amount of time & warnings they gave him to comply... so again it DEFINITELY ISN'T... he was asked to return, he was warned, repeatedly, he was subpoenaed... NONE of it worked, he even tricked his lawyers into lying to the subpoena (not fighting it in court or something if he legit believed he could keep the docs)... stuff your whole cult is prevented from even learning about despite it proven by video, text & even his lawyers testimony somehow none of it matters... completely indefensible handling of classified info... your cult even buying into secret or automatic declassification which made no sense at all plus would be ridiculously reckless & careless behavior even if it did make sense... now his current argument of 'i could take anything i wanted' isn't defended, nor even mentioned that i've seen (probably as definitely & obviously false) a fucked up cult
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Jan 15 17:24:48 oh... & focusing on docs given it proves without doubt he can never be near classified info again & its so simple & clear (well it would be if you could actually look at the clear evidence & proof, which you can't... just zombie: 'weaponization of DOJ...' despite definitely not being so...)
kargen Member	Mon Jan 15 19:00:56 Are you claiming the RNC didn't prevent Trump from participating in the debates? How does your brain remember things happening? Do you not recall the pledge the RNC demanded all candidates sign if they wished to participate? None of the candidates should have signed that pledge and some that did sign had no intention of honoring the pledge. Trump was the only one to have the balls to tell the RNC to fuck off.
Rugian Member	Mon Jan 15 19:48:11 ...anyway...Iowa's been called for Trump. BOOM
Cherub Cow Member	Mon Jan 15 20:48:11 [tw (TDS Bot)]: "yet Dems will end up w/ a more fit candidate" [Rugian]: "Incorrect" [tw (TDS Bot)]: "& one who doesn't openly reject democracy" [Rugian]: "BLATANTLY incorrect...Biden is easily the most anti-democratic president in modern history, unless you believe that "democracy" means having the right to vote for the Democratic Party and no one else" Tw really *does* mean that. He is a cultist. He really buys the "a threat to our democracy" lines unironically. Reminder: When spoken by the Regime, "our democracy" = a dictatorship of the proletariat (manipulated ochlocracy) whose actions/politics are directed by the propagandized dictates of Bolshevik oligarchs. This is what it meant during the Bolshevik revolution in 1918, this is what it meant for Mao, and this is what it means now. Sad thing is that even though tw is a cultist who knowingly deceives and strategically ignores obvious things (e.g., ignores that Biden is an actual literal pedophile and therefore is a compromised puppet who was easily subject to sexual blackmail), he does not even understand who his true rulers are or what their objectives are. This is why I kept asking him if he's heard about ESG yet. He hasn't. He doesn't even know what he's being used for, he's just happy to be used. This is how Jonestown Flavor Aid drinkers operated. [kargen]: "He isn't just being funny. He gets reprimanded when he goes off script and lets slip often that is happening." Yup. 100% total puppet. There is the Inner Party of the White House / Regime and then, separately, the Biden mouthpiece who goes off script, accidentally reveals the inner workings of the Bolsheviks, has to be rushed away from questioning, shits his diapers, and has to be kept alert for a teleprompter-reading via amphetamines. E.g., amphetamines: http://twitter.com/i/status/1734063635738021913 Keep in mind how sad it is that Biden is nearing the end of a residential term without once having had a press conference that wasn't highly orchestrated or controlled by the Regime. Even in "informal" press conferences, he's picking pre-approved questions from the White House Correspondents' Association, with the most "volatile" questions coming from Peter Doocy, who is pulling punches because he's dealing with a bed-wetting senior, and Doocy wants a career after the "Biden is just like FDR" propaganda that the Regime has queued up. But tw thinks that Biden is "fit". Tw is not *that* retarded, he's just malicious and evil in accordance with the cult doctrines.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Jan 15 20:57:33 “Are you claiming the RNC didn't prevent Trump from participating in the debates?” Yes... with 100% certainty whereas you think the whiniest bitch in history, who loves playing the victim, never once complained the RNC was preventing him from debating factually, the RNC even went to Mar-a-Lago on blended knee to plead with him to participate the RNC wasn’t even involved with the last debate so once again you are completely wrong from the start
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Jan 15 21:03:22 “...anyway...Iowa's been called for Trump. BOOM” did you forget you’re a DeSantis supporter? the guy with identical policy views to Trump but actually knows information and is able to participate in achieving things unlike the Fraud toddler moron who knows nothing thus contributes nothing and just makes shit up 50% of Iowa Rs are fucking idiots
Rugian Member	Mon Jan 15 21:11:03 No, Nikki Haley is the fucking idiot for splitting the non-Trump vote...without her in the race, this could have been a legit competition. She's currently doing best in counties with college towns that have heavily Democratic in previous general elections...HMM, it's almost like conclusions could be drawn about what type of people support her from that.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Jan 15 21:28:23 yes, it would be terrible to have a candidate both sides could tolerate let's keep putting up two options completely hated by half the country
Cherub Cow Member	Mon Jan 15 21:28:45 [Rugian]: "She's currently doing best in counties with college towns that have heavily Democratic in previous general elections...HMM, it's almost like conclusions could be drawn about what type of people support her from that." Bingo. Regime sycophants such as tw support Nimarata Randhawa because she's *also* a Regime sycophant. These blood-thirsty psychos *want* more wars for Ratheon and the Cheneys, and Randhawa promises them this.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Jan 15 21:35:12 and maybe DeSantis & EVERYBODY IN EXISTENCE should have recognized that taking classified docs, refusing to return & in fact even hiding them is really fucking bad maybe a guy who takes & hides classified docs from the gov't shouldn't have them... seems a decent argument to make of course that whole side probably doesn't even know he provably did those things... & he certainly has never been asked to explain it by his sycophant media (& of course the docs just one of -many- issues... obviously refusing to accept election results & instead attempting to overturn the results by multiple lawless methods also kinda concerning... plus all the constant making shit up rather than ever telling the truth... etc etc, see my 100s of threads...)
Cherub Cow Member	Mon Jan 15 21:44:34 [tw (TDS Bot)]: "and maybe DeSantis & EVERYBODY IN EXISTENCE should have recognized that taking classified docs, refusing to return & in fact even hiding them is really fucking bad" Tw still stuck on this hoax. Just remember that I told tw from my direct personal experience how wrong he is about classified documents handling, and he basically had a meltdown and went right back to the Regime talking points as though the conversation never took place. [tw (TDS Bot)]: "(& of course the docs just one of -many- issues..." Gish-Gallop time! lol
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Jan 15 22:20:11 Vivek is suspending his campaign... he can't afford to keep taking fire from big daddy whose coattails he's riding
Cherub Cow Member	Mon Jan 15 23:20:00 That's cute, you lying Regime sycophant, but Ramaswamy's run and decision here are tactical. Live press conference: http://twi...amy/status/1747111434314784961
Hrothgar Member	Tue Jan 16 00:09:28 Republicans can either nominate Haley when all is said and done, or they can lose to Biden again. That's the choice they face, but about 50% of them can't fathom it.
kargen Member	Tue Jan 16 00:14:09 If the RNC had wanted Trump to participate they would not have demanded candidates sign a pledge they knew he would never sign. Trump did not qualify for the debates because the RNC set rules in place they knew would alienate him. Your 100s of threads contain more fiction than a Harry Potter novel and it is sad your brain is so damaged you believe that world (the one you created) to be real. Tumbleweed isn't stuck on a hoax he is stuck in an alternate reality.
Cherub Cow Member	Tue Jan 16 00:27:16 [Hrothgar (Regime sycophant)]: "Republicans can either nominate Haley when all is said and done, or they can lose to Biden again." Oh sweet, everyone. We can relax. Hrothgar, who has a vested interest in totalitarian politics winning, has endorsed Nimarata Randhawa for President of Israel and its U.S. puppet-state. On a similar line of thought, I'd like to tell the DNC voters in UP that the choice they face is either not voting at all or writing in for Jared Taylor. I'm sorry that "about 50% of them can't fathom it", but according to the leftist, sometimes you have to cut your own brake lines before going out for a drive, otherwise you can't access the prestige network of your enemies.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Jan 16 00:52:37 "Your 100s of threads contain more fiction than a Harry Potter novel" disprove 2 things
Cherub Cow Member	Tue Jan 16 01:07:35 [tw (TDS Bot)]: "disprove 2 things" Don't bother, kargen. Tw has fallen for so many hoaxes (e.g., Hawley "fleeing" hoax) that he is immune to even the smallest truth. This is the cult logic you will face, as I pointed out in the 39th iteration of his psychosis threads (#39 http://uto...hread=92288&time=1698652983398 ), rephrased here to show the mechanism of his derangement: If you attempt to disprove tw's on any one issue.. 1) Tw will say that he didn't even read your words 2) Tw will claim that you said nothing substantive How can the two be reconciled? In a baseline level of good faith: • Either he read your words and found nothing substantive, or • he did not read your words and cannot determine if there was anything substantive. But the cult gives him a third option: • Do not read your words *and* still claim that there was nothing substantive. In other words, cultists such as tw will demand evidence but not read or comprehend it, then simply return to the delusions that sustain the cult's powers over the cultist. A cultist such as tw might project, "[No! 'Trumpism' is the cult!]" But is it? No. As has been thoroughly documented most readily since 2016's psychological warfare on social media (e.g., see the Twitter CEO's 2019 appearance on Rogan where he confirms this observed echo-chamber pattern on Twitter http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZCBRHOg3PQ ), the left ignores the right but the right almost always knows the left's arguments. The right incorporates large fact-patterns into its arguments so that the arguments are well-reasoned, whereas the leftist cult will de-platform, block, ignore, evade, and retreat to their echo chambers having learned nothing. This allows the cultist to construct a straw man argument of the non-cultist. The cultist cannot comprehend the non-cultist and has no theory of mind for someone outside of the cult. The non-cultist has a strong theory-of-mind for the cultist and can demonstrate the cultist's delusions. Tw is in a cult.
murder Member	Tue Jan 16 06:53:49 Biden brilliantly chose Trump to be his opponent again by having him indicted all over the place. Dark Brandon indeed. :o)
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