Utopia Talk / General Talk / Mod Thread and Rules

Kaylana rank	Tue Aug 26 16:24:48 2008 The moderators are here to keep the forum community happy and comfortable. If at any time for any reason any of the rules or subsequent enforcement are disagreed upon, please discuss it with us and the rest of the forum. Changes will be made based only on general consensus. The following can be subject to deletion: 1) Any link to pornographic images. Full nudity is allowed, it just cannot be sexual or pornographic in nature. Child nudity is not acceptable at all. (I realize parents like to take pictures of their naked infants. For the sake of internet predators, please keep them decent.) 2) Spam flooding. 3) Threats against the well-being or life of another member. Actions such as stalking, flaming, trolling, and harrassment will be judged on a person to person basis, but extremely obscene harrassment may be deleted before any further discussion is taken on it for the sake of keeping the peace. 4) Any photos, images or material used without the permission of the forum author/creator. 5) Impersonating the name or a variation of the name that could lead to identity confusion of a forum member, if that member objects to it. 6) Posts that the author requests to be deleted MAY be deleted. The moderators have the choice of not complying. When posting an URL that is tasteless, obscene or inappropriate for the workspace please identify it with NWS (Not Workplace Safe) or NSFW (Not Safe For Work). This is a courtesy to our working members. THERE IS NO NEED TO GET THEM FIRED. This is considered an adult forum, therefore adult language and adult discussion is ALLOWED and will almost CERTAINLY take place. It will be consistently assumed that minors are not privy to the content here. ---- In case of emergency, break glass. This thread is for contacting moderators when they're needed for clean-up. Current mods: Mad Doggie, HH Daemon Lord, HH Evenflow, Kaylana
Kaylana rank	Tue Aug 26 16:25:02 2008 Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 175 Delete Fri Aug 22 17:01:21 If there is ever a situation in which something needs to be done ASAP, I can be contacted the following ways: AIM: MadDoggieMD Or through HHUGT messenger system. Obviously it would be beneficial if you saw I was actually online in HHUGT. :)
Agri rank	Wed Aug 27 09:51:51 2008 ttt
saggy rank	Wed Aug 27 09:53:36 2008 WTF
Ubes JAC rank	Wed Aug 27 11:34:35 2008 ttt
Ubes JAC rank	Wed Aug 27 11:34:46 2008 ttt
Ubes JAC rank	Wed Aug 27 11:34:55 2008 ttt
Ubes JAC rank	Wed Aug 27 11:35:00 2008 ttt
Ubes JAC rank	Wed Aug 27 11:35:10 2008 ttt
Ubes JAC rank	Wed Aug 27 11:35:15 2008 ttt
Ubes JAC rank	Wed Aug 27 11:35:20 2008 ttt
Ubes JAC rank	Wed Aug 27 11:35:24 2008 ttt
Ubes JAC rank	Wed Aug 27 11:35:29 2008 ttt
Ubes JAC rank	Wed Aug 27 11:35:38 2008 And I'm bored. :(
Atma01 rank	Wed Aug 27 11:45:53 2008 Is posting pointlessly in a sticky mod thread a bannable offence? I'm uh... asking for a friend. Yeah.
The Great wakka rank	Wed Aug 27 11:46:56 2008 It's true. I made him ask.
Mad Doggie rank	Wed Aug 27 11:47:32 2008 Only if you also don't post nudity.
Atma01 rank	Wed Aug 27 11:49:29 2008 I said friend not fuck toy. Get back in your box. ;) *Smacks Wakka on the ass*
The Great wakka rank	Wed Aug 27 12:02:30 2008 I like the box. It makes me feel like Solid Snake.
The Great wakka rank	Wed Aug 27 12:02:46 2008 Oh, and when I'm around Atma, I AM Solid Snake.
Atma01 rank	Wed Aug 27 13:43:02 2008 METAL GEAR!?
Mad Doggie rank	Wed Aug 27 13:43:39 2008 Fission Mailed
Atma01 rank	Wed Aug 27 13:44:22 2008 HIDEO2
Atma01 rank	Wed Aug 27 14:24:26 2008 Deja vu!
cardinal JAC rank	Thu Aug 28 00:07:38 2008 http://ata...boardthread?id=tank&thread=942 please delete this thread before talon reads it. thanks
Mad Doggie rank	Thu Aug 28 00:12:22 2008 :)
IgnorantAsshole rank	Thu Aug 28 00:56:04 2008 ^^^^^^^^^ Obvious Spam. Revoke his mod privileges, give him a D/A and a 24 ban
tumbleweed rank	Thu Aug 28 01:20:17 2008 (:
gir rank	Thu Aug 28 02:04:46 2008 :o
S.S. Failboat rank	Thu Aug 28 05:39:40 2008 Is it true that the mods are fluffers for TC?
Mad Doggie rank	Thu Aug 28 09:26:17 2008 FYI TC has set up flood protection. When a user makes a thread there is now a minimum 30 second wait time before that user can make another thread.
Poison rank	Thu Aug 28 09:42:00 2008 Yeah and I get 100% of credit since i am responsible for making that happen. Thank me.
HH Psycho Guy rank	Thu Aug 28 09:44:48 2008 Didn't you leave forever?
Poison rank	Thu Aug 28 09:46:21 2008 I left for the entire 32 damn hours. If THAT isn't forever, I dunno what is.
Mad Doggie rank	Thu Aug 28 09:47:23 2008 Yes, it has nothing to do with what we've been discussing in the mod boards for the past week. All you, man.
Poison rank	Thu Aug 28 09:49:26 2008 yup. all me indeed.
Atma01 rank	Thu Aug 28 10:52:16 2008 Yay!
Damian DB rank	Thu Aug 28 13:56:36 2008 should make another post "mods may delete other mods posts at will" ;)
Atma01 rank	Thu Aug 28 15:25:20 2008 Yay!
HH Psycho Guy rank	Fri Aug 29 03:14:42 2008 Soon, you will all kneel before Zod!
Agri rank	Fri Aug 29 07:34:21 2008 ttt
Mad Doggie rank	Fri Aug 29 07:41:42 2008 If there is ever a situation in which something needs to be done ASAP, I can be contacted the following ways: AIM: MadDoggieMD Or through HHUGT messenger system. Obviously it would be beneficial if you saw I was actually online in HHUGT. :)
Atma01 rank	Fri Aug 29 10:36:03 2008 People need top stop posting useless threads in the Mod threads. Really.
Mad Doggie rank	Fri Aug 29 10:50:49 2008 How do you post a thread in a thread?
Atma01 rank	Fri Aug 29 10:55:06 2008 Fuck. Posts. You know what I mean't pigfucker. :p
Mad Doggie rank	Fri Aug 29 10:58:15 2008 "mean't?" English, please.
The Great Wakka rank	Fri Aug 29 10:58:28 2008 There's no ' in "meant".
The Great Wakka rank	Fri Aug 29 10:58:44 2008 MD, delete your post.
Atma01 rank	Fri Aug 29 10:59:27 2008 I don't have to speak english. I live in Australia. Beer. Beer beer beer beer. Beer. Comprende?
The Great Wakka rank	Fri Aug 29 11:00:19 2008 All that Foster's.
Mad Doggie rank	Fri Aug 29 11:01:23 2008 Mad Doggie wins!
The Great Wakka rank	Fri Aug 29 11:02:01 2008 You just wait. Wakka for mod '08.
Atma01 rank	Fri Aug 29 11:02:08 2008 Anyway as I PMed Wakka i'm off to go masturbate now. Cya! :)
The Great Wakka rank	Fri Aug 29 11:02:57 2008 Yeah, he said that. It's an example of why I'm terrified to check private messages.
Atma01 rank	Fri Aug 29 11:04:05 2008 Just remember, your still on MY penis list Wakka. ;)
The Great Wakka rank	Fri Aug 29 11:04:51 2008 It's "you're", buddy.
The Great Wakka rank	Fri Aug 29 11:05:38 2008 And yeah, your misspelling was what stood out to me in a sentence about penis lists.
TiaKatt DB rank	Fri Aug 29 11:06:45 2008 That's because in UGT, every guy has a penis list.
The Great Wakka rank	Fri Aug 29 11:10:42 2008 THREAD CLOSED!
HH Psycho Guy rank	Fri Aug 29 11:13:52 2008 I was so gonna close it... but Wakka's not people.
Mad Doggie rank	Fri Aug 29 11:15:46 2008 I did close it. I obviously care more about him than you.
HH Psycho Guy rank	Fri Aug 29 11:17:30 2008 Obviously.
Atma01 rank	Fri Aug 29 12:21:14 2008 ♥
Atma01 rank	Fri Aug 29 15:13:32 2008 God damned stupid HOers keep posting pointless shit in this thread. You guys need to stop it seriously. Sirlsly u guys. U guys. Sirlsly.
Kaylana rank	Fri Aug 29 15:33:24 2008 This is serious stuff. I am totally serial.
Atma01 rank	Fri Aug 29 15:38:07 2008 But are you super super cereal!? And I am tired of DL's idleness. HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS.
Kaylana rank	Fri Aug 29 15:43:20 2008 If we get to customize titles, I'm changing DL to ManBearPig
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI rank	Fri Aug 29 19:24:24 2008 OBJECTION! i own the copyright on all swine-related handles around here.
Wrath of Orion rank	Fri Aug 29 23:17:19 2008 Can someone add Poison's latest rant to his stickied/closed thread? I think we should keep a record of all the ridiculous emo rants he goes on.
Damian DB rank	Sat Aug 30 00:08:31 2008 Orly?
Atma01 rank	Sat Aug 30 00:48:29 2008 YA RLY
Ehcks rank	Sat Aug 30 01:31:31 2008 Anyone know why I can't post paragraphs? If I type a post with a use of the Enter key, everything after that point is just cut off when I try to post it.
Ehcks rank	Sat Aug 30 01:38:12 2008 Continuation: All posts that I saw before that used line breaks are cut off after the first one. And apparently Keane has the same problem now.
tumbleweed rank	Sat Aug 30 01:39:18 2008 testing
tumbleweed rank	Sat Aug 30 01:39:24 2008 same here
Atma01 rank	Sat Aug 30 01:46:49 2008 I blame your idleness.
Atma01 rank	Sat Aug 30 01:47:17 2008 WTF? That lame. Oh and, HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS.
HH Evenflow rank	Sat Aug 30 01:47:28 2008 I told the admin, he'll prolly see it when he stops trying to get the Swede code to work.
Atma01 rank	Sat Aug 30 01:54:25 2008 I blame Mad Cat. She has gone way to far this time.
HH Evenflow rank	Sat Aug 30 01:57:03 2008 He sees it, and is working on it.
Ehcks rank	Sat Aug 30 01:59:35 2008 Well, all the text came back, but it still won't let me make new posts with paragraphs. I'll try again.
HH Evenflow rank	Sat Aug 30 02:01:47 2008 Should work now.
HH Evenflow rank	Sat Aug 30 02:02:05 2008 Cept that it doesn't!
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI rank	Sat Aug 30 02:04:15 2008 it workes retroactively, i think. meaning you will not be able to read...
HH Evenflow rank	Sat Aug 30 02:22:20 2008 Now it should work. For real.
HH Evenflow rank	Sat Aug 30 02:30:23 2008 Still? Yessum.
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI rank	Sat Aug 30 02:31:09 2008 rawr rawr2
HH Psycho Guy rank	Sat Aug 30 06:13:53 2008 If there is ever a situation in which something needs to be done ASAP, or if you're cool, I can be contacted the following ways: AIM: PsychLemur
ErectileDysfunction rank	Sat Aug 30 06:44:49 2008 ur an dumb swed
S.S. Failboat rank	Sat Aug 30 09:48:49 2008 shameful Psycho Guy, trying to pick people up through UGT.
cardinal JAC rank	Sat Aug 30 10:26:22 2008 http://ata...thread=1181&time=1220080305224
cardinal JAC rank	Sat Aug 30 10:26:44 2008 http://ata...thread=1180&time=1220081896021
cardinal JAC rank	Sat Aug 30 10:27:16 2008 http://ata...thread=1174&time=1220076142537
cardinal JAC rank	Sat Aug 30 10:27:41 2008 http://ata...thread=1166&time=1220078017240
cardinal JAC rank	Sat Aug 30 10:28:21 2008 http://ata...thread=1170&time=1220075599693
cardinal JAC rank	Sat Aug 30 10:32:11 2008 http://ata...thread=1183&time=1220083950334 can we try and delete all threads with blatant racism? we are not UP
Mad Doggie rank	Sat Aug 30 12:40:03 2008 I deleted a couple of the threads you posted, card. I'm going to bring up racism in the mod board. I know Kay brought it up once in here but nothing was ever done about it.
Agri rank	Sat Aug 30 12:41:52 2008 there's a secret mod board? :o
TiaKatt DB rank	Sat Aug 30 12:45:21 2008 I can confirm that yes, yes there is. I've only ever seen little glimpses of it, but it exists, that holy ground for Moderators, too good for the rest of us! ^.^
Mad Doggie rank	Sat Aug 30 12:45:30 2008 Maybe.
cardinal JAC rank	Sat Aug 30 13:02:46 2008 thanks
Damian DB rank	Sat Aug 30 14:55:52 2008 it's where all the good porn is...
S.S. Failboat rank	Sat Aug 30 18:24:13 2008 'I'm going to bring up racism in the mod board. I know Kay brought it up once in here but nothing was ever done about it. ' ok, so we can't bitch about whites, but what about speciesism? I don't like the apes that mimic humans, like niggers, or spics, or chinks.
Poison rank	Sat Aug 30 18:43:31 2008 "4) Any photos, images or material used without the permission of the forum author/creator. " can you explain this rule in detail please? Like, does it mean a person needs to get a permission from the original poster when quoting? Just needs some clarification.
Wrath of Orion rank	Sat Aug 30 19:17:30 2008 And there is Poison being a little bitch again.
pillz rank	Sat Aug 30 19:19:52 2008 It's all those chinese are good for.
Poison rank	Sat Aug 30 19:24:24 2008 how's that being a little bitch? explain.
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI rank	Sat Aug 30 19:26:21 2008 "4) Any photos, images or material used without the permission of the forum author/creator." the word "used" can generally be taken to mean "modify, alter, or reproduce out of context." for example, if you posted a picture of yourself and then someone else shopped your face into black on azn gay porn.... that would be a no go. it would be a no go IF you objected or if its plainly obvious that you would object to it if online. but me photoshopping a picture of baby WoO onto a cute/funny UGT Band picture would be ok - unless WoO objected.
Wrath of Orion rank	Sat Aug 30 19:27:01 2008 Well, it's one of two things. It could be you being incredibly stupid and seriously having to ask the question you asked. While I admit it's possible, there really aren't that many people alive who are so hopelessly stupid. If it is the second, then you should not have to ask a ridiculous question like you asked. In that case, you're just trying to stir the pot again like a little bitch.
Poison rank	Sat Aug 30 19:27:39 2008 I see, so that rule only pertains to pictures?
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI rank	Sat Aug 30 19:30:33 2008 "Poison Member Total Posts: 1248 Sat Aug 30 12:27:39 I see, so that rule only pertains to porn featuring animals and kiddy porn is ok?" it would also apply to what i just did to your statement :)
Poison rank	Sat Aug 30 19:32:50 2008 hmm in that context, what Agri does on regular basis (copying what other poster wrote and altering it to make it funny) would be considered against rule?
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI rank	Sat Aug 30 19:37:08 2008 IF the person who posted the origional content objects (or, in the mods opinion, will probably clearly object as soon as they come online). and IF it actually is taken significantly out of context or actually modified in such a way as to fundamentally change the meaning. then yes, my understanding is that it would apply just as much to the Text of John UGTer as to the Pictures of John UGTer. i cant speak for mods, but we (esp me) beat this dead horse for several hours a while back.... and this is my best understanding of what that means.
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI rank	Sat Aug 30 19:39:45 2008 "5) Impersonating the name or a variation of the name that could lead to identity confusion of a forum member, if that member objects to it." when combined with that rule, im pretty sure the intent is that you cant put words in someone elses mouth and try to pass it off as legit. unless its really funny and/or no one that is part of our community objects... like the satirical pictures where i imply that OMAC = Stalin.
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI rank	Sat Aug 30 19:44:40 2008 http://i10...thpiglite/omacannouncement.jpg if Roisin was part of this community and if Roisin seriously objected to the mods (or a mod saw 1st it and was certain Roisin would object) then that would not be allowed here. as it is, she is not part of our community so to bad for her.
Kaylana rank	Sat Aug 30 19:47:20 2008 A lot of these rules and rule enforcements are going to be based on common sense. For those who don't have any, you're just going to have to rely on the mods.
Poison rank	Sat Aug 30 19:48:44 2008 Ok I get it now. So I conclude, whatever Agri is doing is not unruleful.
Wrath of Orion rank	Sat Aug 30 19:49:43 2008 She's talking to you, Poison.
Agri rank	Sat Aug 30 21:05:29 2008 What about me?
HH Evenflow rank	Sat Aug 30 21:16:00 2008 You're Dutch.
Agri rank	Sat Aug 30 21:21:56 2008 True. And I like it!
Atma01 rank	Sun Aug 31 13:46:46 2008 *Pointless spam of laziness*
Jesse Malcolm Barack rank	Sun Aug 31 14:04:59 2008 cool dude
Atma01 rank	Sun Aug 31 14:39:09 2008 *Lazy spam*
S.S. Failboat rank	Sun Aug 31 18:41:50 2008 How does it feel to be a homosexual?
tumbleweed rank	Sun Aug 31 18:44:25 2008 you feel attracted to the same sex instead of opposite
S.S. Failboat rank	Sun Aug 31 18:46:39 2008 I guess that one was obvious. It was kind of meant to ask the mods how they feel about their own homosexuality though
tumbleweed rank	Sun Aug 31 19:40:36 2008 Ohhhhhhhh.... i get it now
HH Evenflow rank	Sun Aug 31 21:26:14 2008 Don't feel bad Tumbleweed. Nobody could have known that was supposed to be funny.
S.S. Failboat rank	Sun Aug 31 21:58:28 2008 the thing is, it wasn't supposed to be funny. Its a serious question.
tumbleweed rank	Sun Aug 31 22:02:41 2008 i'm not sure any are actually homosexual... you may need to compare your feelings with illuminated, octopia or cardinal
S.S. Failboat rank	Sun Aug 31 22:05:53 2008 I need the info for my new scientific book, entitled 'Nigger, Spics, Chinks, Homos, and other genetic abberations'
tumbleweed rank	Sun Aug 31 22:07:28 2008 Billah is your man then
S.S. Failboat rank	Sun Aug 31 22:10:20 2008 thank you for the lead
tumbleweed rank	Sun Aug 31 22:28:03 2008 sure thing, fail Note: *disapproves of the racism and doesnt really mind Billah*
Ronald Reagan rank	Mon Sep 01 01:18:38 2008 Kaylana is a jew in disguise. DA + Ban please
Ronald Reagan rank	Mon Sep 01 01:18:49 2008 Mad Doggie is a jew in disguise. DA + Ban please
Ronald Reagan rank	Mon Sep 01 01:19:01 2008 HH Psycho Guy is a jew in disguise. DA + Ban please
Ronald Reagan rank	Mon Sep 01 01:19:16 2008 HH Evenflow is a jew in disguise. DA + Ban please
Rugian rank	Mon Sep 01 02:30:10 2008 Fucking HOer shits can kill themselves.
S.S. Failboat rank	Mon Sep 01 02:56:40 2008 That jealous of the HOers rugian? You have to insult them daily because you feel left out?
HH Evenflow rank	Mon Sep 01 03:53:35 2008 He's having a cry cause I keep deleting him by mistake. Been having that same cry for a few days now, I'm starting to worry about him.
Atma01 rank	Mon Sep 01 10:59:21 2008 *Spam*
Atma01 rank	Mon Sep 01 13:26:47 2008 Stop posting useless spam in the mod threads Atma!
HH Psycho Guy rank	Mon Sep 01 13:31:26 2008 Someone get out the tentacle raping girl. We'll teach Atma by having this sexy young Japanese schoolgirl raped by tentacles every time he slips up like that. It's especially horrifying because, even thought he fights at the beginning, about 20 seconds in she really starts to love it.
Atma01 rank	Mon Sep 01 13:33:40 2008 Ahem.... *Spam* *Spam* *Spam* *Spam* *Spam* *Spam* *Spam* *Explodes in pants*
Damian DB rank	Mon Sep 01 14:09:28 2008 If there's ever a situation in which something needs to be done ASAP, your all more than welcome to contact PG.
HH Psycho Guy rank	Mon Sep 01 15:03:34 2008 I live to serve, as long as I'm not at work. Or looking for things to go in my huge notepad file of links to send to people that are irking me.
Atma01 rank	Tue Sep 02 12:34:31 2008 HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Atma01 rank	Tue Sep 02 14:28:45 2008 The people must know dammit! HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS!
NightBloom rank	Wed Sep 03 02:56:33 2008 I'm cool. soo.. I added you- kimino83
Ronald Reagan rank	Wed Sep 03 06:42:39 2008 why did you delete my link? I labeled it NSFW
Kaylana rank	Wed Sep 03 06:43:22 2008 The following can be subject to deletion: 1) Any link to pornographic images. Full nudity is allowed, it just cannot be sexual or pornographic in nature.
Ronald Reagan rank	Wed Sep 03 06:44:59 2008 oh crap, I'm sorry, I didn't realize the rules were different from forum to forum.
Kaylana rank	Wed Sep 03 06:47:27 2008 S'alright, no harm done. We're still adjusting the gears as we go.
Atma01 rank	Wed Sep 03 11:25:35 2008 IDLENESS! HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS!
Master Splinter rank	Thu Sep 04 07:53:59 2008 STFU and GTFO dumb HOers!
tumbleweed rank	Thu Sep 04 08:05:08 2008 and what makes us HOers?
Master Splinter rank	Thu Sep 04 08:07:32 2008 i don't know.
Poison rank	Thu Sep 04 08:26:12 2008 Can you reopen the Palm Reading Thread? I wanted my palm and the spammer had to mess it up...
Master Splinter rank	Thu Sep 04 08:27:46 2008 its right at the top douche
Atma01 rank	Thu Sep 04 11:16:13 2008 Hey! Only Atma may spam the Rules thread! Out with you! HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
McKobb rank	Thu Sep 04 14:56:24 2008 If there is ever a situation in which something needs to be done ASAP, or if you're cool, I can be contacted the following ways:
Atma01 rank	Fri Sep 05 10:48:01 2008 7) No posting useless posts in the Rules thread unless you are Atma. 8) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
HH Daemon Lord rank	Fri Sep 05 11:17:59 2008 I should delete you Atma!
HH Psycho Guy rank	Fri Sep 05 12:04:33 2008 *tentacling schoolgirl gets ravaged again*
Atma01 rank	Fri Sep 05 13:35:53 2008 You should but you're to inactive to do anything! Ooooo.... burn.
HH Psycho Guy rank	Fri Sep 05 13:59:14 2008 *japanese schoolgirl gets ravaged yet again by the tentacle creature* Damn it, Atma! Feel guilt for what happens to this poor girl and stop it!
S.S. Failboat rank	Fri Sep 05 16:20:59 2008 '8) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS ' Beware the alien, the mutant, the heretic.
Atma01 rank	Fri Sep 05 16:37:37 2008 Needs moar ravashing. And moar METAL BOXES!
Paramoυnt rank	Fri Sep 05 18:29:16 2008 betal moxes, lol
Paramoυnt rank	Fri Sep 05 18:29:37 2008 moar?
Mυslim rank	Fri Sep 05 18:33:27 2008 yes, moar!
superdυde rank	Fri Sep 05 18:54:23 2008 hmm
Hot Rοd rank	Fri Sep 05 20:44:38 2008 hey
Pοison rank	Fri Sep 05 20:49:09 2008 hmm
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI rank	Fri Sep 05 21:27:15 2008 Kayimposter over in UP.
Mad Doggie rank	Fri Sep 05 21:28:43 2008 You'll have to report in in their mod thread, UGT mods can't mod the other forum and vice versa.
poison rank	Fri Sep 05 21:28:58 2008 Dude there's Poison imposter.. and the problem is he's actually really good at acting like me.. :(
KayIana rank	Fri Sep 05 21:29:30 2008 waaaaaa http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/5137/kaylanaet7.png if you put a bag on my head a guy might do me.
Mad Doggie rank	Fri Sep 05 21:32:49 2008 I've been deleting imposter posts on sight over here, but UP is much more lenient with them. You'd have to convince one of the mods over there to help you out. Although with the way you've acted over there? Good luck.
Pοison rank	Fri Sep 05 21:33:22 2008 :(
Mad Doggie rank	Fri Sep 05 21:45:47 2008 p?ison
pοison rank	Fri Sep 05 21:53:19 2008 I appreciate you taking the time to delete my imposter's threads and posts, MD.
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI rank	Fri Sep 05 22:07:53 2008 ?? lol im far more civil than most UPers...
Mad Doggie rank	Fri Sep 05 22:09:04 2008 I was talking to poison in my last post.
pοison rank	Fri Sep 05 22:12:50 2008 huh?
pοison rank	Fri Sep 05 22:12:57 2008 oh
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI rank	Fri Sep 05 22:30:42 2008 fair enough ;)
Pοison rank	Sat Sep 06 00:54:02 2008 my imposter is back
Karl Rove  rank	Sat Sep 06 02:59:13 2008 Not fair enough.
river of blood  rank	Sat Sep 06 02:59:50 2008 ^ evil
pillz  rank	Sat Sep 06 03:15:18 2008 yeah
pillz rank	Sat Sep 06 03:28:53 2008 Wow, I got an imposter! =D
Turtle Crawler  rank	Sat Sep 06 03:33:09 2008 no shit
S.S. Failboat  rank	Sat Sep 06 04:17:36 2008 j
Atma01 rank	Sat Sep 06 05:38:40 2008 7) No posting useless posts in the Rules thread unless you are Atma. 8) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS 9) DL is inactive.
Hackety Anne rank	Sat Sep 06 05:39:29 2008 '8) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS ' MY LIFE FOR THE EMPORER!
HH Psycho Guy rank	Sat Sep 06 05:59:29 2008 10) Just as every cop is a criminal And all the sinners saints As heads is tails Just call me Lucifer 'Cause I'm in need of some restraint So if you meet me Have some courtesy Have some sympathy, and some taste Use all your well-learned politesse Or I'll lay your soul to waste
Hackety Anne rank	Sat Sep 06 06:30:42 2008 stfu hoers!
Hackety Anne rank	Sat Sep 06 06:30:43 2008 stfu hoers!
Hackety Anne rank	Sat Sep 06 06:30:44 2008 stfu hoers!
Hackety Anne rank	Sat Sep 06 06:30:45 2008 stfu hoers!
Hackety Anne rank	Sat Sep 06 06:30:45 2008 stfu hoers!
Hackety Anne rank	Sat Sep 06 06:30:46 2008 stfu hoers!
Hackety Anne rank	Sat Sep 06 06:30:46 2008 stfu hoers!
Hackety Anne rank	Sat Sep 06 06:30:47 2008 stfu hoers!
Hackety Anne rank	Sat Sep 06 06:30:47 2008 stfu hoers!
Hackety Anne rank	Sat Sep 06 06:30:48 2008 stfu hoers!
Hackety Anne rank	Sat Sep 06 06:30:48 2008 stfu hoers!
Hackety Anne rank	Sat Sep 06 06:30:49 2008 stfu hoers!
Hackety Anne rank	Sat Sep 06 06:30:49 2008 stfu hoers!
Hackety Anne rank	Sat Sep 06 06:30:49 2008 stfu hoers!
Hackety Anne rank	Sat Sep 06 06:30:50 2008 stfu hoers!
Hackety Anne rank	Sat Sep 06 06:30:50 2008 stfu hoers!
Hackety Anne rank	Sat Sep 06 06:30:51 2008 stfu hoers!
Hackety Anne rank	Sat Sep 06 06:30:51 2008 stfu hoers!
Hackety Anne rank	Sat Sep 06 06:30:52 2008 stfu hoers!
Hackety Anne rank	Sat Sep 06 06:30:52 2008 stfu hoers!
Hackety Anne rank	Sat Sep 06 06:30:53 2008 stfu hoers!
Hackety Anne rank	Sat Sep 06 06:30:53 2008 stfu hoers!
Hackety Anne rank	Sat Sep 06 06:30:54 2008 stfu hoers!
Hackety Anne rank	Sat Sep 06 06:30:54 2008 stfu hoers!
Hackety Anne rank	Sat Sep 06 06:30:55 2008 stfu hoers!
Hackety Anne rank	Sat Sep 06 06:30:55 2008 stfu hoers!
Hackety Anne rank	Sat Sep 06 06:30:56 2008 stfu hoers!
Hackety Anne rank	Sat Sep 06 06:30:57 2008 stfu hoers!
Hackety Anne rank	Sat Sep 06 06:30:57 2008 stfu hoers!
Hackety Anne rank	Sat Sep 06 06:30:58 2008 stfu hoers!
Hackety Anne rank	Sat Sep 06 06:30:58 2008 stfu hoers!
Hackety Anne rank	Sat Sep 06 06:30:59 2008 stfu hoers!
Hackety Anne rank	Sat Sep 06 06:30:59 2008 stfu hoers!
Hackety Anne rank	Sat Sep 06 06:31:00 2008 stfu hoers!
Hackety Anne rank	Sat Sep 06 06:31:00 2008 stfu hoers!
Hackety Anne rank	Sat Sep 06 06:31:01 2008 stfu hoers!
Kaylana rank	Sat Sep 06 06:32:32 2008 test
Otto Adolf Eichmann rank	Sat Sep 06 06:36:25 2008 ^^^ Blatant spam
HH Psycho Guy rank	Sat Sep 06 06:42:22 2008 Ya know, I've had people telling me to abuse my powers... well, just abuse them, actually. Wanna be a pet project of mine?!
Kaylana rank	Sat Sep 06 06:46:12 2008 You're just not fast enough PG. Less talk more action.
Otto Adolf Eichmann rank	Sat Sep 06 06:46:48 2008 ^^^^^^^ Obvious Spam
HH Psycho Guy rank	Sat Sep 06 06:57:19 2008 Blood for the Blood God! Heyyy, this deleting posts thing is fun!
Agri rank	Sat Sep 06 12:18:15 2008 ttt
HH Psycho Guy rank	Sat Sep 06 12:56:32 2008 Thx Agri!
Otto Adolf Eichmann rank	Sat Sep 06 20:46:23 2008 ^^^^^^^^ Obvious Spam
Kaylana rank	Sun Sep 07 01:37:57 2008 ttt
The Legend of GTFO rank	Sun Sep 07 02:02:19 2008 ^^^ Obvious Spam
Kaylana rank	Sun Sep 07 02:05:41 2008 spam
HH Evenflow rank	Sun Sep 07 02:51:28 2008 You understand that they're going to keep deleting that, yes?
Otto Adolf Eichmann rank	Sun Sep 07 05:11:26 2008 ^^^^^^^^^^ Obvious Spam
McKobb rank	Sun Sep 07 05:50:13 2008 10) It's like (Uh-Oh, Hotdog!)
Otto Adolf Eichmann rank	Sun Sep 07 05:59:19 2008 ^^^^^ Obvious spam
Atma01 rank	Sun Sep 07 09:01:56 2008 And I will keep reposting it. Its a vicious cycle.
HH Evenflow. rank	Sun Sep 07 09:04:07 2008 ^^^^ Obvious Spam
ample.parking rank	Sun Sep 07 09:39:04 2008 ^^^^ Obvious Spam
012222 rank	Sun Sep 07 09:40:23 2008 Beware the alien, the mutant, the heretic
Atma01 rank	Mon Sep 08 11:11:08 2008 7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread. 8) DL is inactive. 9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Ralph rank	Mon Sep 08 23:42:41 2008 Fuck you
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI rank	Tue Sep 09 00:01:31 2008 Kaylana is trolling Poison in his 'woman driver' thread. i demand that all her posts be deleted.
Kaylana rank	Tue Sep 09 00:07:05 2008 D:
EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI rank	Tue Sep 09 00:14:38 2008 TROLLING AGAIN! pretending she is stating "option 'd' contains the following" when really... REALLY?! she is giving you, mr mod, a ~D~ for your hard work.
ample.parking rank	Tue Sep 09 01:46:06 2008 Worst modding I have ever seen in a forum. You should all be ashamed
ample.parking rank	Tue Sep 09 04:15:34 2008 HERESY STEMS FROM IDLENESS!
ample.parking rank	Tue Sep 09 04:33:56 2008 Welcome to the Utopia Forums! The current time is Mon Sep 08 21:33:47 2008 , You have 53 new messages. Utopia Talk / General Talk / Fucking tired of woman drivers poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 11:53:42 So I was driving my way to work (I was already 30 minutes behind schedule) down on highway drinking coffee to wake myself up from sleep. Left lane, cruising down at 60mph, until I approached this car turtling down the lane at 40 something mph. Tried to switch lane but there were cars coming so I had no choice but to tail this moron car behind... But this continued on for a while until I got really tired and started pushing my way into the car. The car eventually moved to the center lane, and so I quickly passed by and curious to see who the moron was I checked the window, and to my surprise, I saw a woman, putting on make-up and her left hand was closed except the middle finger, pointing toward me. So I got flipped off, big deal, she's a bitch, I ignored. Later on, when I was already 10 minutes late to work, there was another car going at 20 mph in highway when everyone else was going at 40mph, so I switched lane immediately and tried to pass by her quickly, until the car just forced its way into (it was congested) front of me, which ALMOST resulted in collision. I passed by the car eventually, a WOMAN. Ignored. So I was almost at work, and it was a local road, intersection turning right, there were no cars at sight, but the car was waiting forever till light turned green. I was like "wtf moron just go you're turning right". Eventually teh light turned green, and the car finally moved. I passed by teh car, A WOMAN. FUCK!!! Women should just not drive. They all sux and their personality just aren't fit to be a good driver. They are too soft and selfish in nature, dont want to take responsibilities, and that's why something like today happened. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 413 Mon Sep 08 12:14:14 tldr Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 12:49:50 This post is full of disgusting misogynism. You are more likely to run into women during this time of day than men because there are more housewives than house husbands. In the last woman's defense, did you check the state of her license plate? I run into that quite a bit since CNN decided to broadcast how great the Texas economy is compared to the rest of the nation, and it's not legal in all states to make a right turn at a red light. With that said, I also do not care for people who get easily distracted in a car, which tends to be women because women are more likely to try and multitask. But equally irritating are the men who are overly aggressive, taking stupid risks and using their vehicles in a threatening manner simply because they're annoyed...they also are less likely to allow a vehicle over into their lane which gets particularly frustrating when you're just trying to exit. And somewhat related, did you hear about the study done on aggressive driving and road rage? Apparently people who tended to decorate their vehicle, either through bumper stickers or custom paint jobs or racing stripes or personalized license plates (or whatever whatever) tended to be far more aggressive on the road, taking on the attitude that this is my personal space and how dare you get in the way of it. While those who don't tend to decorate their vehicles view the road as a public place, and the actions of stupid drivers don't get under their skin quite so much. EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 12:52:25 "Fucking tired of woman drivers" says the fucking asian?! EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 12:52:50 (yeah, who can resist the urge to fight sexism with racism? :) Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:01:03 I'm ashamed to admit I laughed. EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:01:08 k, read your post. "on highway... Left lane, cruising down at 60mph" fucking PROOF. gtfo the big boy lane. goddamn typical asian. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:10:53 Earthpig, come to Los Angeles, drive I405 at 8 in the morning, and try to go beyond 60mph. I dont' live in Idaho or equally uncivilized place where cows outnumber human so maybe this concept of rush hour is foreign to you. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:11:51 Earthpig doesn't discriminate with his prejudices, he's got an "ist" for everything. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:14:10 8 you say? Hm, I thought you were 2 hours behind. Darn daylight savings time always throws me off. Got to calm down Poison, stress kills. EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:18:16 hey now kay, be fair. not a single word of mine ended in "ist." repel Member Total Posts: 82 Mon Sep 08 13:18:31 do you people wanna come over to the netherlands and drive here during the top hours. lots of fun over here :D Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:24:42 Nooo no no. I want no part of your crazy european driving. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:27:02 Kaylana, deal with it. it's been scientifically proven that women are worse driver than men. They lack senses of finding direction and their mind tend to be treat car as "others" whereas men treat car as "self". All this psychological differences between men and women contribute the driving style, and overall women comes out to be worse when it comes to driving. Admit it, women suck at driving. Don't point out the exceptions. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:31:13 Mmhm, source? poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:37:44 telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/ news/2008/01/03/ngay103.xml From the article: "Women and gay men are likely to be the worst drivers, a new study has shown. Research has revealed that both perform poorly in tasks involving navigation and spatial awareness when compared to heterosexual men. Psychologists at Queen Mary, University of London, who conducted the study, believe the findings mean driving in a strange environment would be more difficult for gay men and women than for straight male motorists. Both tend to rely on local landmarks to get around, and are also slower to take in spatial information." "The results back earlier studies supporting the stereotype that women are poor navigators. Although women are more successful in tests requiring them to remember the position of objects, men consistently do better in tasks requiring navigation and uncovering hidden objects." ""Women are going to take a lot longer to reach their destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns etc. They need more rich local landmarks." Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:38:21 Odd, I'm having a very hard time finding this scientifically proven fact that women are worse drivers. http://www.webmd.com/news/20051109/are-women-better-drivers "This study demonstrates that tasks requiring mental flexibility favor women over men, an area previously not considered to elicit strong sex differences," Fox says in a news release. "Driving could be a good example of how this is applied to everyday life." http://blo...n_better_drivers_than_men.html Insurance company AAMi is claiming that women are better drivers than men, based on a survey it has published today. The findings are based upon a national telephone survey of 2384 licensed drivers conducted in most States and Territories in 2006, as well as an analysis of AAMI claims data. AAMI spokesperson Geoff Hughes says the results mean it's no surprise that men's motoring insurance claims typically cost 20 per cent more than women's. “Our claims data shows that men’s crashes tend to be more serious than women’s – they are more likely to be involved in head-on collisions, roll-overs and loss-of-control crashes, as well as crashes involving pedestrians, cyclists and animals. “Conversely, women are more likely to collide with stationary objects or reverse into other cars. http://www...r_drivers_than_women/artid/259 So… let's see what the statistics have to say about drivers, in terms of males vs. females. Figures compiled by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) show that more men than women die each year in motor vehicle crashes, figures that drew explanatory comments from various insurance industry observers such as Russ Rader of IIHS, in Arlington, Va., and Tully Lehman, of the Insurance Information Network of California (IINC). "Men typically drive more miles than women and engage more often in risky driving practices including not using a safety belt… and speeding," according to Rader, spokesman for IIHS, in Arlington, Va. "This is due to the fact that men typically drive more miles and exhibit often risky driving practices such as driving while intoxicated, not wearing a seatbelt and speeding," said Lehman. http://www...s-The-Better-DriverWomen!.aspx (Humerous video on exceptional male drivers.) EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:40:26 "Mmhm, source?" if i find a source coming out of Saudi Arabia will it count? ;) Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:40:46 telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/ news/2008/01/03/ngay103.xml This link doesn't lead me to that article, and the statement is wrong anyway. Poor navigational skills does not equate to bad driving, and that is the only thing that the study has shown. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:42:45 ""Women are going to take a lot longer to reach their destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns etc. They need more rich local landmarks." Taking longer to reach destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns all = more retarded when it comes to driving. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:43:16 Anyway I just wanted to see if you were stupid enough to actually try and provide proof. And you didn't disappoint. Men and women have somewhat different driving styles (though those differences are decreasing over time, if you looked at some of those studies), but just because their bad habits are different, that doesn't make one less able to drive than the other. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:43:30 Try this link" http://www...n-are-%27worst-drivers%27.html poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:44:53 so all along you call me stupid for not backing up what I say, and now I back it up you call me stupid for providing sources? Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:45:45 "Taking longer to reach destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns all = more retarded when it comes to driving." Because taking longer is so much worse than dying a horrible horrible death before ever reaching that destination. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:48:04 "so all along you call me stupid for not backing up what I say, and now I back it up you call me stupid for providing sources?" I didn't say you were stupid for not backing up what you had to say. Comprehension has never been your strongest suit. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:48:51 kaylana, dying horrible death isn't the only indication of horrible driving. Women may take be safer because they are so horrible at driving that they do everything so freaking slowly (like pulling their cars out from parking lot) and frustrate every single fucking person around her. Driving fuking 30 mph cuz she cant drive better when driving on speed limit, thats horrible driving. EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:52:02 and driving 60 in the fast lane. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:52:28 Kaylana, i bet you drive like granma. You are probably one of those "I abide to laws" that drive EXACTLY at 65mph in highway first lane when all other cars go at 85mph. Well good job but to others it's just fucking annoying. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:54:45 If the person in the mobile weapon ahead, behind, or around me isn't skilled enough to drive at high speeds, I'd rather they be achingly careful. And poor navigational skills in unfamiliar areas is an entirely different issue from the actual ability to drive. But I don't put a lot of credence into that article that cannot be accessed anyway, since that is UK specific and not USA, and the geographical area in which women drive regularly is extremely limited in the UK, while women in the USA are far more likely to find themselves navigating unfamiliar areas all of their lives. And, besides that, those sorts of differences are decreasing. But it's all moot since it's a stupid thing to try and prove. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:57:03 " I don't put a lot of credence into that article that cannot be accessed anyway" I posted up a working link. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:57:30 As a matter of fact, I have a horrible habit of aggressive driving. I tone it down when I have other people in the car. Kyra can confirm this...after she hitched a ride with me through Dallas, I asked her if I was making her nervous since she turned 3 shades of white (a real trick for an Italian). Plus in Texas, cops don't pull you over unless you're going more than 10mph over the speed limit...so I pretty much consider that the speed limit. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:58:04 The link doesn't lead me to your article. Just leads me to the index site. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:58:17 well I never considered you much of a woman so that's not surprising. SStrickland Member Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 13:58:34 Poison- "you're probably.."-ies are for fucktards. Especially when they're directed toward such a fine creature like Kaylana. STFU mang. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:59:08 http://www...n-are-%27worst-drivers%27.html This link? I just tried it and it led me to the article fine. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 14:00:46 No SStrickland. Kaylana's being absurd here. She asked me to post up a study, I did, and now she says it's not credible enough source and completely reject my idea. she's not a fine creature. sorry. SStrickland Member Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 14:03:28 Your sexism toward women is the equivalent of the bulk of UGTs bigotry toward your being Asian. Its just stupid is what it is. And no, Kaylana is damn fine. You'll learn what a real woman is when you finally feel the caress of one ;) Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:04:24 Ah that's not the link you originally posted. And I am definitely not the typical woman driver, so I should never be considered the norm. I am rather mannish. But nothing that you have stated makes women worse drivers. The ability to navigate is a seperate skill. Plus, this difference is only notable in new environments, and the study was done in the UK where these results would make sense considering their lifestyles and driving distances. Random UGTer Member Total Posts: 6 Mon Sep 08 14:04:24 interesting comment on that article. This research was done in the biology department at London's Queen Mary University. It's not "social science". It was about gender differences in spatial awareness, not driving. And it says people are "different", not "worse". Please don't insult scientists because a Telegraph journalist decided to put some spin on the story. The original (un-spun) report is at http://www.sbcs.qmul.ac.uk/news/index.shtml It's the one titled January 2008 - Gender differences in spatial navigation. Has nothing to do with driving specifically. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 14:04:26 you make it sound as if you actually caressed Kaylana before. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:06:24 I actually rejected the premise of the article. Since the premise of the article is that women and gay men are worse drivers, but the study itself has very little to do with actual driving, I can conclude that the premise is flawed. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 14:06:46 "The ability to navigate is a seperate skill." Navigation skill and driving skill are all related. You are lost in one city. You become desperate as you try to find your way. You start making errors, start ignoring lights, giving no signals, etc. All related. Still Well Member Total Posts: 62 Mon Sep 08 14:08:05 "You are lost in one city. You become desperate as you try to find your way. You start making errors, start ignoring lights, giving no signals, etc. " So your saying men react better than women to pressure? SStrickland Member Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 14:08:10 How could you establish that summation? Reread what I wrote. I make it sound like I've felt the caress of a woman, not necessarily Kaylana. Quit while you're behind, Poison. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:09:43 "Navigation skill and driving skill are all related." Only in the relationship that while you are doing one, you are often doing the other at the same time. The ability to drive a car is a different skill than navigating a direction. "You are lost in one city. You become desperate as you try to find your way. You start making errors, start ignoring lights, giving no signals, etc." Slippery slope fallacy. Getting lost does not necessarily lead to these things. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:11:18 Besides, as I've already said, the point is moot. Pointless to argue. I'd rather someone who is unsure of their driving skills to slow down and be careful (and frustrating all the Poisons behind them) then to be aggressive and make stupid mistakes out of anger and fear and end up killing themselves or someone else. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:13:37 Now if she's driving 20mph under the speed limit because she's applying her mascara, feel free to flip her the bird an extra time for me. SStrickland Member Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 14:16:42 Sorry Poison, you lost. I was rooting for you and wanted to join your "cause".... You just made it impossible for me :/ Next time though. Nobody Member Total Posts: 36 Mon Sep 08 14:27:52 Actually in my experience as a cyclist I have been hit more times by male drivers than female drivers. Two thirds of the time they don't even bother to stop. I get hit about once a month and have been a cyclist for about three years. And I don't tend to be a reckless biker. I actually follow all the laws stopping at stop signs and red lights as any vehicle should. I have been hit because a driver ignored my right of way (in PA bikes get the same right of way as cars) I have been hit as people drove past me, I have also been hit because I made a mistake. But never the less women have not hit me as much and tend to stop more often when they do. So based on my experience alone I would say women drivers are actually the better drivers. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:30:44 I sympathize with you nobody. We have the same laws in Texas, and it's illegal for cyclists to be on the sidewalks because of pedestrians, but it's too dangerous to ride on the street because motorists don't respect your bike as a vehicle. Nobody Member Total Posts: 36 Mon Sep 08 14:46:38 The saddest part is that according to Money Magazine State College is a very bike friendly town. Poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 15:00:33 "And no, Kaylana is damn fine. You'll learn what a real woman is when you finally feel the caress of one ;)" Here, maybe it was a mistake, you make it sound as you know what a real woman is once you caress the woman. You know, like test driving. You know what car is good for you only after test drive it. So it was too obvious of an assumption that you caressed Kaylana before to know whether she is a real woman or not. Kaylana: When we are speaking of driving, it's pretty ignorant to use only the accident rate as the measure of "driving skill". Just like how murder rate is not the only measure for crime. There are all these minor details in driving (that you tend to not pay attention to) that sums up overall package of driving. That includes being aware of what's going on in the surroundings and know what to do when you are in tough driving situation, and even knowing when it's alright (or even necessary) to break a very minor "law" (like turning right on red) to make things easy. As much as driving requires law knowledge it requires just as much common sense (and driving 40 mph in 60 mph road which annoys and slows down the traffic in the fast lane is not a good showing of common sense). In such measures, I, and the rest of World (I have the survey of people's perspective one "worst drivers) put women as one of the worst group of people. SStrickland Member Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 15:13:52 "Here, maybe it was a mistake, you make it sound as you know what a real woman is once you caress the woman. You know, like test driving. You know what car is good for you only after test drive it. So it was too obvious of an assumption that you caressed Kaylana before to know whether she is a real woman or not. " What the fuck does getting some tang have to do with test driving a car? Your babble about shitty drivers has nothing to do with getting laid or Kaylana being hot dude. The fact that she is has nothing to do with her driving. How could you have twisted that so far out of context? Damn man. Allow me to reiterate two separate things- 1-Dont be a sexist pig. It's the same as when all the UGT flamerods call you chink or gook. Its child childish and imbecilic. 2-Dont belittle (such a fine creature like) Kaylana for being a woman or make assumptions about her driving ability when you've never met her and dont even know her. SStrickland Member Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 15:14:43 Poison I think you have more hours in your day than you need. QAG Member Total Posts: 42 Mon Sep 08 15:15:24 Hmmm... intresting every time i find an idiot driver its generaly a man. Ehcks Member Total Posts: 144 Mon Sep 08 15:39:06 I hate all drivers. I don't feel safe unless the nearest car is a mile behind me in the opposite lanes. EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 15:47:01 "motorists don't respect your bike as a vehicle." ill respect a bike as much as a car - until it slows traffic down (seriously, gtfo my left hand turn lane. crosswalk is right over there). then, fuck you. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 15:48:10 Good thing I didn't just use the accident rate, then...that's just the most tangible item of proof, one statistic that all studies universally agree on. Nobody Member Total Posts: 36 Mon Sep 08 16:06:44 EP I'm smart enough to ride on roads that I can keep up with traffic. And I will sit in your turning lane when I have to fucking turn. I really don't need a ticket from a cop that wants to meet his god damn quota. But I assure you I don't slow down traffic. I have been clocked on my street bike going 37 mph on the level, and when a majority of the roads I ride are 25mph limit. Poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 16:26:27 ""Here, maybe it was a mistake, you make it sound as you know what a real woman is once you caress the woman. You know, like test driving. You know what car is good for you only after test drive it. So it was too obvious of an assumption that you caressed Kaylana before to know whether she is a real woman or not. " What the fuck does getting some tang have to do with test driving a car? Your babble about shitty drivers has nothing to do with getting laid or Kaylana being hot dude. The fact that she is has nothing to do with her driving. How could you have twisted that so far out of context? Damn man. " Dude I'm not talking about that. I was talking about how you said Kaylana is a fine creature (which itself has nothing to do with the topic at hand). I hate repeating what I've said but just to clarify incase you get the wrong understanding of what I meant: Remember how you said "Especially when they're directed toward such a fine creature like Kaylana," which I disagreed to, and then you responded, "Kaylana is damn fine. You'll learn what a real woman is when you finally feel the caress of one". I don't even know why you said the latter part. But for me, although now I know you didn't mean what I thought you meant, what you said really came off as if you've already caressed Kaylana to be able to know how "fine of a creature" she is. But let's not get into any argument regarding this irrelevant matter anymore. Poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 16:30:18 "Good thing I didn't just use the accident rate, then" "Our claims data shows that men’s crashes tend to be more serious than women’s – they are more likely to be involved in head-on collisions, roll-overs and loss-of-control crashes, as well as crashes involving pedestrians, cyclists and animals." Two articles of which you used as resources were all related to accident rate: "Figures compiled by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) show that more men than women die each year in motor vehicle crashes, figures that drew explanatory comments from various insurance industry observers such as Russ Rader of IIHS, in Arlington, Va., and Tully Lehman, of the Insurance Information Network of California (IINC). " This one is debatable: "Men typically drive more miles than women and engage more often in risky driving practices including not using a safety belt… and speeding," according to Rader, spokesman for IIHS, in Arlington, Va. "This is due to the fact that men typically drive more miles and exhibit often risky driving practices such as driving while intoxicated, not wearing a seatbelt and speeding," said Lehman. But Your primary argument for saying men is worse driver was the accident rate you brought up. And I think there're more than accident rates that measure more accurately what a "better driving" is. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:39:05 Kaylana: When we are speaking of driving, it's pretty ignorant to use only the accident rate as the measure of "driving skill". But Your primary argument for saying men is worse driver was the accident rate you brought up. --- Primary isn't the same as only, my dear, and you conveniently forgot to mention my first article. "This study demonstrates that tasks requiring mental flexibility favor women over men, an area previously not considered to elicit strong sex differences," Fox says in a news release. "Driving could be a good example of how this is applied to everyday life." Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:41:03 And in point of fact, I do not think nor am I arguing that men are worse drivers. What I'm doing, here, is providing sources that contradict your claims, with which I disagree with. I will say men and women have somewhat different natures in driving, at this point in time (I do not think that will always be the case), but I would not be so bold as to say one gender is better than the other. We each have strengths in different areas that apply to driving. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:43:18 You don't seem to get that all I'm against here is your blind antagonistic misogynism. Wrath of Orion Member Total Posts: 83 Mon Sep 08 16:45:32 He's just trolling like a little bitch. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:46:57 I'm convinced more and more that it's not trolling, just an extremely stunted view of life. TalonsWordsOfWisdom Member Total Posts: 23 Mon Sep 08 16:55:29 You are correct Kaylana Wrath of Orion Member Total Posts: 83 Mon Sep 08 17:14:38 Nah, this sounds more like Poison PMS'ing and deciding to troll the fem-nazis here. I definitely agree most of his idiocy is genuine, but this one doesn't fit. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 17:22:23 Well that does make sense, you could be right. EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 17:34:37 so you concede that you are a femanazi? sfw: http://www...roppings/werewolfwomen1qo7.jpg Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 17:39:59 Sure, but I'm not THAT ugly. gir Member Total Posts: 130 Mon Sep 08 17:40:42 Isn't Poison a girl? poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 17:41:05 Kaylana, I like you. But you are wrong. SStrickland Member Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 17:44:34 "Sure, but I'm not THAT ugly. " Kaylana is the sexiest of UGT *AND* UP! EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 17:47:51 O SHIT, kay. that reminds me of something i gotta tell you (academic). but right now im about to go to bed so dont bother hopping on IM... later. Ubes JAC Member Total Posts: 379 Mon Sep 08 18:27:18 Hahhaah! I was gonna point out the asian thing too... Damn EP... Let The Boy Try Member Total Posts: 57 Mon Sep 08 18:31:47 Damn Asian Drivers. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 18:33:14 Asians invented drifting. incognito Member Total Posts: 4 Mon Sep 08 18:33:45 Asians invented homosexuality. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 18:34:07 source? incognito Member Total Posts: 4 Mon Sep 08 18:34:25 yo momma poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 18:38:01 incorrect. Real Fred Member Total Posts: 1596 Mon Sep 08 18:43:33 " and it's not legal in all states to make a right turn at a red light. " Bullshit. Poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 18:44:40 "" and it's not legal in all states to make a right turn at a red light. " Bullshit. " First time agreeing with your RF. I turn right at red all the time. Even when there's a cop right behind me, i don't give a fuck and just turn right when there are no income cars. Cops don't do jack shit. If the law enforcement doesn't mind, then fuck law. Law without enforcement isn't a law. Your Name: Your Password: Your Message:
ample.parking rank	Tue Sep 09 04:33:58 2008 Welcome to the Utopia Forums! The current time is Mon Sep 08 21:33:47 2008 , You have 53 new messages. Utopia Talk / General Talk / Fucking tired of woman drivers poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 11:53:42 So I was driving my way to work (I was already 30 minutes behind schedule) down on highway drinking coffee to wake myself up from sleep. Left lane, cruising down at 60mph, until I approached this car turtling down the lane at 40 something mph. Tried to switch lane but there were cars coming so I had no choice but to tail this moron car behind... But this continued on for a while until I got really tired and started pushing my way into the car. The car eventually moved to the center lane, and so I quickly passed by and curious to see who the moron was I checked the window, and to my surprise, I saw a woman, putting on make-up and her left hand was closed except the middle finger, pointing toward me. So I got flipped off, big deal, she's a bitch, I ignored. Later on, when I was already 10 minutes late to work, there was another car going at 20 mph in highway when everyone else was going at 40mph, so I switched lane immediately and tried to pass by her quickly, until the car just forced its way into (it was congested) front of me, which ALMOST resulted in collision. I passed by the car eventually, a WOMAN. Ignored. So I was almost at work, and it was a local road, intersection turning right, there were no cars at sight, but the car was waiting forever till light turned green. I was like "wtf moron just go you're turning right". Eventually teh light turned green, and the car finally moved. I passed by teh car, A WOMAN. FUCK!!! Women should just not drive. They all sux and their personality just aren't fit to be a good driver. They are too soft and selfish in nature, dont want to take responsibilities, and that's why something like today happened. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 413 Mon Sep 08 12:14:14 tldr Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 12:49:50 This post is full of disgusting misogynism. You are more likely to run into women during this time of day than men because there are more housewives than house husbands. In the last woman's defense, did you check the state of her license plate? I run into that quite a bit since CNN decided to broadcast how great the Texas economy is compared to the rest of the nation, and it's not legal in all states to make a right turn at a red light. With that said, I also do not care for people who get easily distracted in a car, which tends to be women because women are more likely to try and multitask. But equally irritating are the men who are overly aggressive, taking stupid risks and using their vehicles in a threatening manner simply because they're annoyed...they also are less likely to allow a vehicle over into their lane which gets particularly frustrating when you're just trying to exit. And somewhat related, did you hear about the study done on aggressive driving and road rage? Apparently people who tended to decorate their vehicle, either through bumper stickers or custom paint jobs or racing stripes or personalized license plates (or whatever whatever) tended to be far more aggressive on the road, taking on the attitude that this is my personal space and how dare you get in the way of it. While those who don't tend to decorate their vehicles view the road as a public place, and the actions of stupid drivers don't get under their skin quite so much. EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 12:52:25 "Fucking tired of woman drivers" says the fucking asian?! EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 12:52:50 (yeah, who can resist the urge to fight sexism with racism? :) Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:01:03 I'm ashamed to admit I laughed. EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:01:08 k, read your post. "on highway... Left lane, cruising down at 60mph" fucking PROOF. gtfo the big boy lane. goddamn typical asian. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:10:53 Earthpig, come to Los Angeles, drive I405 at 8 in the morning, and try to go beyond 60mph. I dont' live in Idaho or equally uncivilized place where cows outnumber human so maybe this concept of rush hour is foreign to you. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:11:51 Earthpig doesn't discriminate with his prejudices, he's got an "ist" for everything. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:14:10 8 you say? Hm, I thought you were 2 hours behind. Darn daylight savings time always throws me off. Got to calm down Poison, stress kills. EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:18:16 hey now kay, be fair. not a single word of mine ended in "ist." repel Member Total Posts: 82 Mon Sep 08 13:18:31 do you people wanna come over to the netherlands and drive here during the top hours. lots of fun over here :D Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:24:42 Nooo no no. I want no part of your crazy european driving. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:27:02 Kaylana, deal with it. it's been scientifically proven that women are worse driver than men. They lack senses of finding direction and their mind tend to be treat car as "others" whereas men treat car as "self". All this psychological differences between men and women contribute the driving style, and overall women comes out to be worse when it comes to driving. Admit it, women suck at driving. Don't point out the exceptions. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:31:13 Mmhm, source? poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:37:44 telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/ news/2008/01/03/ngay103.xml From the article: "Women and gay men are likely to be the worst drivers, a new study has shown. Research has revealed that both perform poorly in tasks involving navigation and spatial awareness when compared to heterosexual men. Psychologists at Queen Mary, University of London, who conducted the study, believe the findings mean driving in a strange environment would be more difficult for gay men and women than for straight male motorists. Both tend to rely on local landmarks to get around, and are also slower to take in spatial information." "The results back earlier studies supporting the stereotype that women are poor navigators. Although women are more successful in tests requiring them to remember the position of objects, men consistently do better in tasks requiring navigation and uncovering hidden objects." ""Women are going to take a lot longer to reach their destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns etc. They need more rich local landmarks." Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:38:21 Odd, I'm having a very hard time finding this scientifically proven fact that women are worse drivers. http://www.webmd.com/news/20051109/are-women-better-drivers "This study demonstrates that tasks requiring mental flexibility favor women over men, an area previously not considered to elicit strong sex differences," Fox says in a news release. "Driving could be a good example of how this is applied to everyday life." http://blo...n_better_drivers_than_men.html Insurance company AAMi is claiming that women are better drivers than men, based on a survey it has published today. The findings are based upon a national telephone survey of 2384 licensed drivers conducted in most States and Territories in 2006, as well as an analysis of AAMI claims data. AAMI spokesperson Geoff Hughes says the results mean it's no surprise that men's motoring insurance claims typically cost 20 per cent more than women's. “Our claims data shows that men’s crashes tend to be more serious than women’s – they are more likely to be involved in head-on collisions, roll-overs and loss-of-control crashes, as well as crashes involving pedestrians, cyclists and animals. “Conversely, women are more likely to collide with stationary objects or reverse into other cars. http://www...r_drivers_than_women/artid/259 So… let's see what the statistics have to say about drivers, in terms of males vs. females. Figures compiled by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) show that more men than women die each year in motor vehicle crashes, figures that drew explanatory comments from various insurance industry observers such as Russ Rader of IIHS, in Arlington, Va., and Tully Lehman, of the Insurance Information Network of California (IINC). "Men typically drive more miles than women and engage more often in risky driving practices including not using a safety belt… and speeding," according to Rader, spokesman for IIHS, in Arlington, Va. "This is due to the fact that men typically drive more miles and exhibit often risky driving practices such as driving while intoxicated, not wearing a seatbelt and speeding," said Lehman. http://www...s-The-Better-DriverWomen!.aspx (Humerous video on exceptional male drivers.) EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:40:26 "Mmhm, source?" if i find a source coming out of Saudi Arabia will it count? ;) Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:40:46 telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/ news/2008/01/03/ngay103.xml This link doesn't lead me to that article, and the statement is wrong anyway. Poor navigational skills does not equate to bad driving, and that is the only thing that the study has shown. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:42:45 ""Women are going to take a lot longer to reach their destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns etc. They need more rich local landmarks." Taking longer to reach destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns all = more retarded when it comes to driving. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:43:16 Anyway I just wanted to see if you were stupid enough to actually try and provide proof. And you didn't disappoint. Men and women have somewhat different driving styles (though those differences are decreasing over time, if you looked at some of those studies), but just because their bad habits are different, that doesn't make one less able to drive than the other. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:43:30 Try this link" http://www...n-are-%27worst-drivers%27.html poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:44:53 so all along you call me stupid for not backing up what I say, and now I back it up you call me stupid for providing sources? Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:45:45 "Taking longer to reach destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns all = more retarded when it comes to driving." Because taking longer is so much worse than dying a horrible horrible death before ever reaching that destination. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:48:04 "so all along you call me stupid for not backing up what I say, and now I back it up you call me stupid for providing sources?" I didn't say you were stupid for not backing up what you had to say. Comprehension has never been your strongest suit. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:48:51 kaylana, dying horrible death isn't the only indication of horrible driving. Women may take be safer because they are so horrible at driving that they do everything so freaking slowly (like pulling their cars out from parking lot) and frustrate every single fucking person around her. Driving fuking 30 mph cuz she cant drive better when driving on speed limit, thats horrible driving. EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:52:02 and driving 60 in the fast lane. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:52:28 Kaylana, i bet you drive like granma. You are probably one of those "I abide to laws" that drive EXACTLY at 65mph in highway first lane when all other cars go at 85mph. Well good job but to others it's just fucking annoying. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:54:45 If the person in the mobile weapon ahead, behind, or around me isn't skilled enough to drive at high speeds, I'd rather they be achingly careful. And poor navigational skills in unfamiliar areas is an entirely different issue from the actual ability to drive. But I don't put a lot of credence into that article that cannot be accessed anyway, since that is UK specific and not USA, and the geographical area in which women drive regularly is extremely limited in the UK, while women in the USA are far more likely to find themselves navigating unfamiliar areas all of their lives. And, besides that, those sorts of differences are decreasing. But it's all moot since it's a stupid thing to try and prove. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:57:03 " I don't put a lot of credence into that article that cannot be accessed anyway" I posted up a working link. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:57:30 As a matter of fact, I have a horrible habit of aggressive driving. I tone it down when I have other people in the car. Kyra can confirm this...after she hitched a ride with me through Dallas, I asked her if I was making her nervous since she turned 3 shades of white (a real trick for an Italian). Plus in Texas, cops don't pull you over unless you're going more than 10mph over the speed limit...so I pretty much consider that the speed limit. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:58:04 The link doesn't lead me to your article. Just leads me to the index site. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:58:17 well I never considered you much of a woman so that's not surprising. SStrickland Member Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 13:58:34 Poison- "you're probably.."-ies are for fucktards. Especially when they're directed toward such a fine creature like Kaylana. STFU mang. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:59:08 http://www...n-are-%27worst-drivers%27.html This link? I just tried it and it led me to the article fine. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 14:00:46 No SStrickland. Kaylana's being absurd here. She asked me to post up a study, I did, and now she says it's not credible enough source and completely reject my idea. she's not a fine creature. sorry. SStrickland Member Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 14:03:28 Your sexism toward women is the equivalent of the bulk of UGTs bigotry toward your being Asian. Its just stupid is what it is. And no, Kaylana is damn fine. You'll learn what a real woman is when you finally feel the caress of one ;) Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:04:24 Ah that's not the link you originally posted. And I am definitely not the typical woman driver, so I should never be considered the norm. I am rather mannish. But nothing that you have stated makes women worse drivers. The ability to navigate is a seperate skill. Plus, this difference is only notable in new environments, and the study was done in the UK where these results would make sense considering their lifestyles and driving distances. Random UGTer Member Total Posts: 6 Mon Sep 08 14:04:24 interesting comment on that article. This research was done in the biology department at London's Queen Mary University. It's not "social science". It was about gender differences in spatial awareness, not driving. And it says people are "different", not "worse". Please don't insult scientists because a Telegraph journalist decided to put some spin on the story. The original (un-spun) report is at http://www.sbcs.qmul.ac.uk/news/index.shtml It's the one titled January 2008 - Gender differences in spatial navigation. Has nothing to do with driving specifically. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 14:04:26 you make it sound as if you actually caressed Kaylana before. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:06:24 I actually rejected the premise of the article. Since the premise of the article is that women and gay men are worse drivers, but the study itself has very little to do with actual driving, I can conclude that the premise is flawed. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 14:06:46 "The ability to navigate is a seperate skill." Navigation skill and driving skill are all related. You are lost in one city. You become desperate as you try to find your way. You start making errors, start ignoring lights, giving no signals, etc. All related. Still Well Member Total Posts: 62 Mon Sep 08 14:08:05 "You are lost in one city. You become desperate as you try to find your way. You start making errors, start ignoring lights, giving no signals, etc. " So your saying men react better than women to pressure? SStrickland Member Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 14:08:10 How could you establish that summation? Reread what I wrote. I make it sound like I've felt the caress of a woman, not necessarily Kaylana. Quit while you're behind, Poison. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:09:43 "Navigation skill and driving skill are all related." Only in the relationship that while you are doing one, you are often doing the other at the same time. The ability to drive a car is a different skill than navigating a direction. "You are lost in one city. You become desperate as you try to find your way. You start making errors, start ignoring lights, giving no signals, etc." Slippery slope fallacy. Getting lost does not necessarily lead to these things. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:11:18 Besides, as I've already said, the point is moot. Pointless to argue. I'd rather someone who is unsure of their driving skills to slow down and be careful (and frustrating all the Poisons behind them) then to be aggressive and make stupid mistakes out of anger and fear and end up killing themselves or someone else. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:13:37 Now if she's driving 20mph under the speed limit because she's applying her mascara, feel free to flip her the bird an extra time for me. SStrickland Member Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 14:16:42 Sorry Poison, you lost. I was rooting for you and wanted to join your "cause".... You just made it impossible for me :/ Next time though. Nobody Member Total Posts: 36 Mon Sep 08 14:27:52 Actually in my experience as a cyclist I have been hit more times by male drivers than female drivers. Two thirds of the time they don't even bother to stop. I get hit about once a month and have been a cyclist for about three years. And I don't tend to be a reckless biker. I actually follow all the laws stopping at stop signs and red lights as any vehicle should. I have been hit because a driver ignored my right of way (in PA bikes get the same right of way as cars) I have been hit as people drove past me, I have also been hit because I made a mistake. But never the less women have not hit me as much and tend to stop more often when they do. So based on my experience alone I would say women drivers are actually the better drivers. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:30:44 I sympathize with you nobody. We have the same laws in Texas, and it's illegal for cyclists to be on the sidewalks because of pedestrians, but it's too dangerous to ride on the street because motorists don't respect your bike as a vehicle. Nobody Member Total Posts: 36 Mon Sep 08 14:46:38 The saddest part is that according to Money Magazine State College is a very bike friendly town. Poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 15:00:33 "And no, Kaylana is damn fine. You'll learn what a real woman is when you finally feel the caress of one ;)" Here, maybe it was a mistake, you make it sound as you know what a real woman is once you caress the woman. You know, like test driving. You know what car is good for you only after test drive it. So it was too obvious of an assumption that you caressed Kaylana before to know whether she is a real woman or not. Kaylana: When we are speaking of driving, it's pretty ignorant to use only the accident rate as the measure of "driving skill". Just like how murder rate is not the only measure for crime. There are all these minor details in driving (that you tend to not pay attention to) that sums up overall package of driving. That includes being aware of what's going on in the surroundings and know what to do when you are in tough driving situation, and even knowing when it's alright (or even necessary) to break a very minor "law" (like turning right on red) to make things easy. As much as driving requires law knowledge it requires just as much common sense (and driving 40 mph in 60 mph road which annoys and slows down the traffic in the fast lane is not a good showing of common sense). In such measures, I, and the rest of World (I have the survey of people's perspective one "worst drivers) put women as one of the worst group of people. SStrickland Member Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 15:13:52 "Here, maybe it was a mistake, you make it sound as you know what a real woman is once you caress the woman. You know, like test driving. You know what car is good for you only after test drive it. So it was too obvious of an assumption that you caressed Kaylana before to know whether she is a real woman or not. " What the fuck does getting some tang have to do with test driving a car? Your babble about shitty drivers has nothing to do with getting laid or Kaylana being hot dude. The fact that she is has nothing to do with her driving. How could you have twisted that so far out of context? Damn man. Allow me to reiterate two separate things- 1-Dont be a sexist pig. It's the same as when all the UGT flamerods call you chink or gook. Its child childish and imbecilic. 2-Dont belittle (such a fine creature like) Kaylana for being a woman or make assumptions about her driving ability when you've never met her and dont even know her. SStrickland Member Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 15:14:43 Poison I think you have more hours in your day than you need. QAG Member Total Posts: 42 Mon Sep 08 15:15:24 Hmmm... intresting every time i find an idiot driver its generaly a man. Ehcks Member Total Posts: 144 Mon Sep 08 15:39:06 I hate all drivers. I don't feel safe unless the nearest car is a mile behind me in the opposite lanes. EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 15:47:01 "motorists don't respect your bike as a vehicle." ill respect a bike as much as a car - until it slows traffic down (seriously, gtfo my left hand turn lane. crosswalk is right over there). then, fuck you. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 15:48:10 Good thing I didn't just use the accident rate, then...that's just the most tangible item of proof, one statistic that all studies universally agree on. Nobody Member Total Posts: 36 Mon Sep 08 16:06:44 EP I'm smart enough to ride on roads that I can keep up with traffic. And I will sit in your turning lane when I have to fucking turn. I really don't need a ticket from a cop that wants to meet his god damn quota. But I assure you I don't slow down traffic. I have been clocked on my street bike going 37 mph on the level, and when a majority of the roads I ride are 25mph limit. Poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 16:26:27 ""Here, maybe it was a mistake, you make it sound as you know what a real woman is once you caress the woman. You know, like test driving. You know what car is good for you only after test drive it. So it was too obvious of an assumption that you caressed Kaylana before to know whether she is a real woman or not. " What the fuck does getting some tang have to do with test driving a car? Your babble about shitty drivers has nothing to do with getting laid or Kaylana being hot dude. The fact that she is has nothing to do with her driving. How could you have twisted that so far out of context? Damn man. " Dude I'm not talking about that. I was talking about how you said Kaylana is a fine creature (which itself has nothing to do with the topic at hand). I hate repeating what I've said but just to clarify incase you get the wrong understanding of what I meant: Remember how you said "Especially when they're directed toward such a fine creature like Kaylana," which I disagreed to, and then you responded, "Kaylana is damn fine. You'll learn what a real woman is when you finally feel the caress of one". I don't even know why you said the latter part. But for me, although now I know you didn't mean what I thought you meant, what you said really came off as if you've already caressed Kaylana to be able to know how "fine of a creature" she is. But let's not get into any argument regarding this irrelevant matter anymore. Poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 16:30:18 "Good thing I didn't just use the accident rate, then" "Our claims data shows that men’s crashes tend to be more serious than women’s – they are more likely to be involved in head-on collisions, roll-overs and loss-of-control crashes, as well as crashes involving pedestrians, cyclists and animals." Two articles of which you used as resources were all related to accident rate: "Figures compiled by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) show that more men than women die each year in motor vehicle crashes, figures that drew explanatory comments from various insurance industry observers such as Russ Rader of IIHS, in Arlington, Va., and Tully Lehman, of the Insurance Information Network of California (IINC). " This one is debatable: "Men typically drive more miles than women and engage more often in risky driving practices including not using a safety belt… and speeding," according to Rader, spokesman for IIHS, in Arlington, Va. "This is due to the fact that men typically drive more miles and exhibit often risky driving practices such as driving while intoxicated, not wearing a seatbelt and speeding," said Lehman. But Your primary argument for saying men is worse driver was the accident rate you brought up. And I think there're more than accident rates that measure more accurately what a "better driving" is. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:39:05 Kaylana: When we are speaking of driving, it's pretty ignorant to use only the accident rate as the measure of "driving skill". But Your primary argument for saying men is worse driver was the accident rate you brought up. --- Primary isn't the same as only, my dear, and you conveniently forgot to mention my first article. "This study demonstrates that tasks requiring mental flexibility favor women over men, an area previously not considered to elicit strong sex differences," Fox says in a news release. "Driving could be a good example of how this is applied to everyday life." Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:41:03 And in point of fact, I do not think nor am I arguing that men are worse drivers. What I'm doing, here, is providing sources that contradict your claims, with which I disagree with. I will say men and women have somewhat different natures in driving, at this point in time (I do not think that will always be the case), but I would not be so bold as to say one gender is better than the other. We each have strengths in different areas that apply to driving. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:43:18 You don't seem to get that all I'm against here is your blind antagonistic misogynism. Wrath of Orion Member Total Posts: 83 Mon Sep 08 16:45:32 He's just trolling like a little bitch. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:46:57 I'm convinced more and more that it's not trolling, just an extremely stunted view of life. TalonsWordsOfWisdom Member Total Posts: 23 Mon Sep 08 16:55:29 You are correct Kaylana Wrath of Orion Member Total Posts: 83 Mon Sep 08 17:14:38 Nah, this sounds more like Poison PMS'ing and deciding to troll the fem-nazis here. I definitely agree most of his idiocy is genuine, but this one doesn't fit. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 17:22:23 Well that does make sense, you could be right. EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 17:34:37 so you concede that you are a femanazi? sfw: http://www...roppings/werewolfwomen1qo7.jpg Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 17:39:59 Sure, but I'm not THAT ugly. gir Member Total Posts: 130 Mon Sep 08 17:40:42 Isn't Poison a girl? poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 17:41:05 Kaylana, I like you. But you are wrong. SStrickland Member Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 17:44:34 "Sure, but I'm not THAT ugly. " Kaylana is the sexiest of UGT *AND* UP! EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 17:47:51 O SHIT, kay. that reminds me of something i gotta tell you (academic). but right now im about to go to bed so dont bother hopping on IM... later. Ubes JAC Member Total Posts: 379 Mon Sep 08 18:27:18 Hahhaah! I was gonna point out the asian thing too... Damn EP... Let The Boy Try Member Total Posts: 57 Mon Sep 08 18:31:47 Damn Asian Drivers. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 18:33:14 Asians invented drifting. incognito Member Total Posts: 4 Mon Sep 08 18:33:45 Asians invented homosexuality. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 18:34:07 source? incognito Member Total Posts: 4 Mon Sep 08 18:34:25 yo momma poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 18:38:01 incorrect. Real Fred Member Total Posts: 1596 Mon Sep 08 18:43:33 " and it's not legal in all states to make a right turn at a red light. " Bullshit. Poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 18:44:40 "" and it's not legal in all states to make a right turn at a red light. " Bullshit. " First time agreeing with your RF. I turn right at red all the time. Even when there's a cop right behind me, i don't give a fuck and just turn right when there are no income cars. Cops don't do jack shit. If the law enforcement doesn't mind, then fuck law. Law without enforcement isn't a law. Your Name: Your Password: Your Message:
ample.parking rank	Tue Sep 09 04:34:00 2008 Welcome to the Utopia Forums! The current time is Mon Sep 08 21:33:47 2008 , You have 53 new messages. Utopia Talk / General Talk / Fucking tired of woman drivers poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 11:53:42 So I was driving my way to work (I was already 30 minutes behind schedule) down on highway drinking coffee to wake myself up from sleep. Left lane, cruising down at 60mph, until I approached this car turtling down the lane at 40 something mph. Tried to switch lane but there were cars coming so I had no choice but to tail this moron car behind... But this continued on for a while until I got really tired and started pushing my way into the car. The car eventually moved to the center lane, and so I quickly passed by and curious to see who the moron was I checked the window, and to my surprise, I saw a woman, putting on make-up and her left hand was closed except the middle finger, pointing toward me. So I got flipped off, big deal, she's a bitch, I ignored. Later on, when I was already 10 minutes late to work, there was another car going at 20 mph in highway when everyone else was going at 40mph, so I switched lane immediately and tried to pass by her quickly, until the car just forced its way into (it was congested) front of me, which ALMOST resulted in collision. I passed by the car eventually, a WOMAN. Ignored. So I was almost at work, and it was a local road, intersection turning right, there were no cars at sight, but the car was waiting forever till light turned green. I was like "wtf moron just go you're turning right". Eventually teh light turned green, and the car finally moved. I passed by teh car, A WOMAN. FUCK!!! Women should just not drive. They all sux and their personality just aren't fit to be a good driver. They are too soft and selfish in nature, dont want to take responsibilities, and that's why something like today happened. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 413 Mon Sep 08 12:14:14 tldr Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 12:49:50 This post is full of disgusting misogynism. You are more likely to run into women during this time of day than men because there are more housewives than house husbands. In the last woman's defense, did you check the state of her license plate? I run into that quite a bit since CNN decided to broadcast how great the Texas economy is compared to the rest of the nation, and it's not legal in all states to make a right turn at a red light. With that said, I also do not care for people who get easily distracted in a car, which tends to be women because women are more likely to try and multitask. But equally irritating are the men who are overly aggressive, taking stupid risks and using their vehicles in a threatening manner simply because they're annoyed...they also are less likely to allow a vehicle over into their lane which gets particularly frustrating when you're just trying to exit. And somewhat related, did you hear about the study done on aggressive driving and road rage? Apparently people who tended to decorate their vehicle, either through bumper stickers or custom paint jobs or racing stripes or personalized license plates (or whatever whatever) tended to be far more aggressive on the road, taking on the attitude that this is my personal space and how dare you get in the way of it. While those who don't tend to decorate their vehicles view the road as a public place, and the actions of stupid drivers don't get under their skin quite so much. EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 12:52:25 "Fucking tired of woman drivers" says the fucking asian?! EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 12:52:50 (yeah, who can resist the urge to fight sexism with racism? :) Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:01:03 I'm ashamed to admit I laughed. EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:01:08 k, read your post. "on highway... Left lane, cruising down at 60mph" fucking PROOF. gtfo the big boy lane. goddamn typical asian. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:10:53 Earthpig, come to Los Angeles, drive I405 at 8 in the morning, and try to go beyond 60mph. I dont' live in Idaho or equally uncivilized place where cows outnumber human so maybe this concept of rush hour is foreign to you. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:11:51 Earthpig doesn't discriminate with his prejudices, he's got an "ist" for everything. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:14:10 8 you say? Hm, I thought you were 2 hours behind. Darn daylight savings time always throws me off. Got to calm down Poison, stress kills. EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:18:16 hey now kay, be fair. not a single word of mine ended in "ist." repel Member Total Posts: 82 Mon Sep 08 13:18:31 do you people wanna come over to the netherlands and drive here during the top hours. lots of fun over here :D Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:24:42 Nooo no no. I want no part of your crazy european driving. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:27:02 Kaylana, deal with it. it's been scientifically proven that women are worse driver than men. They lack senses of finding direction and their mind tend to be treat car as "others" whereas men treat car as "self". All this psychological differences between men and women contribute the driving style, and overall women comes out to be worse when it comes to driving. Admit it, women suck at driving. Don't point out the exceptions. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:31:13 Mmhm, source? poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:37:44 telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/ news/2008/01/03/ngay103.xml From the article: "Women and gay men are likely to be the worst drivers, a new study has shown. Research has revealed that both perform poorly in tasks involving navigation and spatial awareness when compared to heterosexual men. Psychologists at Queen Mary, University of London, who conducted the study, believe the findings mean driving in a strange environment would be more difficult for gay men and women than for straight male motorists. Both tend to rely on local landmarks to get around, and are also slower to take in spatial information." "The results back earlier studies supporting the stereotype that women are poor navigators. Although women are more successful in tests requiring them to remember the position of objects, men consistently do better in tasks requiring navigation and uncovering hidden objects." ""Women are going to take a lot longer to reach their destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns etc. They need more rich local landmarks." Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:38:21 Odd, I'm having a very hard time finding this scientifically proven fact that women are worse drivers. http://www.webmd.com/news/20051109/are-women-better-drivers "This study demonstrates that tasks requiring mental flexibility favor women over men, an area previously not considered to elicit strong sex differences," Fox says in a news release. "Driving could be a good example of how this is applied to everyday life." http://blo...n_better_drivers_than_men.html Insurance company AAMi is claiming that women are better drivers than men, based on a survey it has published today. The findings are based upon a national telephone survey of 2384 licensed drivers conducted in most States and Territories in 2006, as well as an analysis of AAMI claims data. AAMI spokesperson Geoff Hughes says the results mean it's no surprise that men's motoring insurance claims typically cost 20 per cent more than women's. “Our claims data shows that men’s crashes tend to be more serious than women’s – they are more likely to be involved in head-on collisions, roll-overs and loss-of-control crashes, as well as crashes involving pedestrians, cyclists and animals. “Conversely, women are more likely to collide with stationary objects or reverse into other cars. http://www...r_drivers_than_women/artid/259 So… let's see what the statistics have to say about drivers, in terms of males vs. females. Figures compiled by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) show that more men than women die each year in motor vehicle crashes, figures that drew explanatory comments from various insurance industry observers such as Russ Rader of IIHS, in Arlington, Va., and Tully Lehman, of the Insurance Information Network of California (IINC). "Men typically drive more miles than women and engage more often in risky driving practices including not using a safety belt… and speeding," according to Rader, spokesman for IIHS, in Arlington, Va. "This is due to the fact that men typically drive more miles and exhibit often risky driving practices such as driving while intoxicated, not wearing a seatbelt and speeding," said Lehman. http://www...s-The-Better-DriverWomen!.aspx (Humerous video on exceptional male drivers.) EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:40:26 "Mmhm, source?" if i find a source coming out of Saudi Arabia will it count? ;) Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:40:46 telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/ news/2008/01/03/ngay103.xml This link doesn't lead me to that article, and the statement is wrong anyway. Poor navigational skills does not equate to bad driving, and that is the only thing that the study has shown. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:42:45 ""Women are going to take a lot longer to reach their destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns etc. They need more rich local landmarks." Taking longer to reach destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns all = more retarded when it comes to driving. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:43:16 Anyway I just wanted to see if you were stupid enough to actually try and provide proof. And you didn't disappoint. Men and women have somewhat different driving styles (though those differences are decreasing over time, if you looked at some of those studies), but just because their bad habits are different, that doesn't make one less able to drive than the other. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:43:30 Try this link" http://www...n-are-%27worst-drivers%27.html poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:44:53 so all along you call me stupid for not backing up what I say, and now I back it up you call me stupid for providing sources? Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:45:45 "Taking longer to reach destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns all = more retarded when it comes to driving." Because taking longer is so much worse than dying a horrible horrible death before ever reaching that destination. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:48:04 "so all along you call me stupid for not backing up what I say, and now I back it up you call me stupid for providing sources?" I didn't say you were stupid for not backing up what you had to say. Comprehension has never been your strongest suit. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:48:51 kaylana, dying horrible death isn't the only indication of horrible driving. Women may take be safer because they are so horrible at driving that they do everything so freaking slowly (like pulling their cars out from parking lot) and frustrate every single fucking person around her. Driving fuking 30 mph cuz she cant drive better when driving on speed limit, thats horrible driving. EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:52:02 and driving 60 in the fast lane. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:52:28 Kaylana, i bet you drive like granma. You are probably one of those "I abide to laws" that drive EXACTLY at 65mph in highway first lane when all other cars go at 85mph. Well good job but to others it's just fucking annoying. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:54:45 If the person in the mobile weapon ahead, behind, or around me isn't skilled enough to drive at high speeds, I'd rather they be achingly careful. And poor navigational skills in unfamiliar areas is an entirely different issue from the actual ability to drive. But I don't put a lot of credence into that article that cannot be accessed anyway, since that is UK specific and not USA, and the geographical area in which women drive regularly is extremely limited in the UK, while women in the USA are far more likely to find themselves navigating unfamiliar areas all of their lives. And, besides that, those sorts of differences are decreasing. But it's all moot since it's a stupid thing to try and prove. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:57:03 " I don't put a lot of credence into that article that cannot be accessed anyway" I posted up a working link. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:57:30 As a matter of fact, I have a horrible habit of aggressive driving. I tone it down when I have other people in the car. Kyra can confirm this...after she hitched a ride with me through Dallas, I asked her if I was making her nervous since she turned 3 shades of white (a real trick for an Italian). Plus in Texas, cops don't pull you over unless you're going more than 10mph over the speed limit...so I pretty much consider that the speed limit. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:58:04 The link doesn't lead me to your article. Just leads me to the index site. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:58:17 well I never considered you much of a woman so that's not surprising. SStrickland Member Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 13:58:34 Poison- "you're probably.."-ies are for fucktards. Especially when they're directed toward such a fine creature like Kaylana. STFU mang. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:59:08 http://www...n-are-%27worst-drivers%27.html This link? I just tried it and it led me to the article fine. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 14:00:46 No SStrickland. Kaylana's being absurd here. She asked me to post up a study, I did, and now she says it's not credible enough source and completely reject my idea. she's not a fine creature. sorry. SStrickland Member Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 14:03:28 Your sexism toward women is the equivalent of the bulk of UGTs bigotry toward your being Asian. Its just stupid is what it is. And no, Kaylana is damn fine. You'll learn what a real woman is when you finally feel the caress of one ;) Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:04:24 Ah that's not the link you originally posted. And I am definitely not the typical woman driver, so I should never be considered the norm. I am rather mannish. But nothing that you have stated makes women worse drivers. The ability to navigate is a seperate skill. Plus, this difference is only notable in new environments, and the study was done in the UK where these results would make sense considering their lifestyles and driving distances. Random UGTer Member Total Posts: 6 Mon Sep 08 14:04:24 interesting comment on that article. This research was done in the biology department at London's Queen Mary University. It's not "social science". It was about gender differences in spatial awareness, not driving. And it says people are "different", not "worse". Please don't insult scientists because a Telegraph journalist decided to put some spin on the story. The original (un-spun) report is at http://www.sbcs.qmul.ac.uk/news/index.shtml It's the one titled January 2008 - Gender differences in spatial navigation. Has nothing to do with driving specifically. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 14:04:26 you make it sound as if you actually caressed Kaylana before. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:06:24 I actually rejected the premise of the article. Since the premise of the article is that women and gay men are worse drivers, but the study itself has very little to do with actual driving, I can conclude that the premise is flawed. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 14:06:46 "The ability to navigate is a seperate skill." Navigation skill and driving skill are all related. You are lost in one city. You become desperate as you try to find your way. You start making errors, start ignoring lights, giving no signals, etc. All related. Still Well Member Total Posts: 62 Mon Sep 08 14:08:05 "You are lost in one city. You become desperate as you try to find your way. You start making errors, start ignoring lights, giving no signals, etc. " So your saying men react better than women to pressure? SStrickland Member Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 14:08:10 How could you establish that summation? Reread what I wrote. I make it sound like I've felt the caress of a woman, not necessarily Kaylana. Quit while you're behind, Poison. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:09:43 "Navigation skill and driving skill are all related." Only in the relationship that while you are doing one, you are often doing the other at the same time. The ability to drive a car is a different skill than navigating a direction. "You are lost in one city. You become desperate as you try to find your way. You start making errors, start ignoring lights, giving no signals, etc." Slippery slope fallacy. Getting lost does not necessarily lead to these things. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:11:18 Besides, as I've already said, the point is moot. Pointless to argue. I'd rather someone who is unsure of their driving skills to slow down and be careful (and frustrating all the Poisons behind them) then to be aggressive and make stupid mistakes out of anger and fear and end up killing themselves or someone else. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:13:37 Now if she's driving 20mph under the speed limit because she's applying her mascara, feel free to flip her the bird an extra time for me. SStrickland Member Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 14:16:42 Sorry Poison, you lost. I was rooting for you and wanted to join your "cause".... You just made it impossible for me :/ Next time though. Nobody Member Total Posts: 36 Mon Sep 08 14:27:52 Actually in my experience as a cyclist I have been hit more times by male drivers than female drivers. Two thirds of the time they don't even bother to stop. I get hit about once a month and have been a cyclist for about three years. And I don't tend to be a reckless biker. I actually follow all the laws stopping at stop signs and red lights as any vehicle should. I have been hit because a driver ignored my right of way (in PA bikes get the same right of way as cars) I have been hit as people drove past me, I have also been hit because I made a mistake. But never the less women have not hit me as much and tend to stop more often when they do. So based on my experience alone I would say women drivers are actually the better drivers. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:30:44 I sympathize with you nobody. We have the same laws in Texas, and it's illegal for cyclists to be on the sidewalks because of pedestrians, but it's too dangerous to ride on the street because motorists don't respect your bike as a vehicle. Nobody Member Total Posts: 36 Mon Sep 08 14:46:38 The saddest part is that according to Money Magazine State College is a very bike friendly town. Poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 15:00:33 "And no, Kaylana is damn fine. You'll learn what a real woman is when you finally feel the caress of one ;)" Here, maybe it was a mistake, you make it sound as you know what a real woman is once you caress the woman. You know, like test driving. You know what car is good for you only after test drive it. So it was too obvious of an assumption that you caressed Kaylana before to know whether she is a real woman or not. Kaylana: When we are speaking of driving, it's pretty ignorant to use only the accident rate as the measure of "driving skill". Just like how murder rate is not the only measure for crime. There are all these minor details in driving (that you tend to not pay attention to) that sums up overall package of driving. That includes being aware of what's going on in the surroundings and know what to do when you are in tough driving situation, and even knowing when it's alright (or even necessary) to break a very minor "law" (like turning right on red) to make things easy. As much as driving requires law knowledge it requires just as much common sense (and driving 40 mph in 60 mph road which annoys and slows down the traffic in the fast lane is not a good showing of common sense). In such measures, I, and the rest of World (I have the survey of people's perspective one "worst drivers) put women as one of the worst group of people. SStrickland Member Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 15:13:52 "Here, maybe it was a mistake, you make it sound as you know what a real woman is once you caress the woman. You know, like test driving. You know what car is good for you only after test drive it. So it was too obvious of an assumption that you caressed Kaylana before to know whether she is a real woman or not. " What the fuck does getting some tang have to do with test driving a car? Your babble about shitty drivers has nothing to do with getting laid or Kaylana being hot dude. The fact that she is has nothing to do with her driving. How could you have twisted that so far out of context? Damn man. Allow me to reiterate two separate things- 1-Dont be a sexist pig. It's the same as when all the UGT flamerods call you chink or gook. Its child childish and imbecilic. 2-Dont belittle (such a fine creature like) Kaylana for being a woman or make assumptions about her driving ability when you've never met her and dont even know her. SStrickland Member Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 15:14:43 Poison I think you have more hours in your day than you need. QAG Member Total Posts: 42 Mon Sep 08 15:15:24 Hmmm... intresting every time i find an idiot driver its generaly a man. Ehcks Member Total Posts: 144 Mon Sep 08 15:39:06 I hate all drivers. I don't feel safe unless the nearest car is a mile behind me in the opposite lanes. EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 15:47:01 "motorists don't respect your bike as a vehicle." ill respect a bike as much as a car - until it slows traffic down (seriously, gtfo my left hand turn lane. crosswalk is right over there). then, fuck you. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 15:48:10 Good thing I didn't just use the accident rate, then...that's just the most tangible item of proof, one statistic that all studies universally agree on. Nobody Member Total Posts: 36 Mon Sep 08 16:06:44 EP I'm smart enough to ride on roads that I can keep up with traffic. And I will sit in your turning lane when I have to fucking turn. I really don't need a ticket from a cop that wants to meet his god damn quota. But I assure you I don't slow down traffic. I have been clocked on my street bike going 37 mph on the level, and when a majority of the roads I ride are 25mph limit. Poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 16:26:27 ""Here, maybe it was a mistake, you make it sound as you know what a real woman is once you caress the woman. You know, like test driving. You know what car is good for you only after test drive it. So it was too obvious of an assumption that you caressed Kaylana before to know whether she is a real woman or not. " What the fuck does getting some tang have to do with test driving a car? Your babble about shitty drivers has nothing to do with getting laid or Kaylana being hot dude. The fact that she is has nothing to do with her driving. How could you have twisted that so far out of context? Damn man. " Dude I'm not talking about that. I was talking about how you said Kaylana is a fine creature (which itself has nothing to do with the topic at hand). I hate repeating what I've said but just to clarify incase you get the wrong understanding of what I meant: Remember how you said "Especially when they're directed toward such a fine creature like Kaylana," which I disagreed to, and then you responded, "Kaylana is damn fine. You'll learn what a real woman is when you finally feel the caress of one". I don't even know why you said the latter part. But for me, although now I know you didn't mean what I thought you meant, what you said really came off as if you've already caressed Kaylana to be able to know how "fine of a creature" she is. But let's not get into any argument regarding this irrelevant matter anymore. Poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 16:30:18 "Good thing I didn't just use the accident rate, then" "Our claims data shows that men’s crashes tend to be more serious than women’s – they are more likely to be involved in head-on collisions, roll-overs and loss-of-control crashes, as well as crashes involving pedestrians, cyclists and animals." Two articles of which you used as resources were all related to accident rate: "Figures compiled by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) show that more men than women die each year in motor vehicle crashes, figures that drew explanatory comments from various insurance industry observers such as Russ Rader of IIHS, in Arlington, Va., and Tully Lehman, of the Insurance Information Network of California (IINC). " This one is debatable: "Men typically drive more miles than women and engage more often in risky driving practices including not using a safety belt… and speeding," according to Rader, spokesman for IIHS, in Arlington, Va. "This is due to the fact that men typically drive more miles and exhibit often risky driving practices such as driving while intoxicated, not wearing a seatbelt and speeding," said Lehman. But Your primary argument for saying men is worse driver was the accident rate you brought up. And I think there're more than accident rates that measure more accurately what a "better driving" is. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:39:05 Kaylana: When we are speaking of driving, it's pretty ignorant to use only the accident rate as the measure of "driving skill". But Your primary argument for saying men is worse driver was the accident rate you brought up. --- Primary isn't the same as only, my dear, and you conveniently forgot to mention my first article. "This study demonstrates that tasks requiring mental flexibility favor women over men, an area previously not considered to elicit strong sex differences," Fox says in a news release. "Driving could be a good example of how this is applied to everyday life." Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:41:03 And in point of fact, I do not think nor am I arguing that men are worse drivers. What I'm doing, here, is providing sources that contradict your claims, with which I disagree with. I will say men and women have somewhat different natures in driving, at this point in time (I do not think that will always be the case), but I would not be so bold as to say one gender is better than the other. We each have strengths in different areas that apply to driving. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:43:18 You don't seem to get that all I'm against here is your blind antagonistic misogynism. Wrath of Orion Member Total Posts: 83 Mon Sep 08 16:45:32 He's just trolling like a little bitch. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:46:57 I'm convinced more and more that it's not trolling, just an extremely stunted view of life. TalonsWordsOfWisdom Member Total Posts: 23 Mon Sep 08 16:55:29 You are correct Kaylana Wrath of Orion Member Total Posts: 83 Mon Sep 08 17:14:38 Nah, this sounds more like Poison PMS'ing and deciding to troll the fem-nazis here. I definitely agree most of his idiocy is genuine, but this one doesn't fit. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 17:22:23 Well that does make sense, you could be right. EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 17:34:37 so you concede that you are a femanazi? sfw: http://www...roppings/werewolfwomen1qo7.jpg Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 17:39:59 Sure, but I'm not THAT ugly. gir Member Total Posts: 130 Mon Sep 08 17:40:42 Isn't Poison a girl? poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 17:41:05 Kaylana, I like you. But you are wrong. SStrickland Member Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 17:44:34 "Sure, but I'm not THAT ugly. " Kaylana is the sexiest of UGT *AND* UP! EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 17:47:51 O SHIT, kay. that reminds me of something i gotta tell you (academic). but right now im about to go to bed so dont bother hopping on IM... later. Ubes JAC Member Total Posts: 379 Mon Sep 08 18:27:18 Hahhaah! I was gonna point out the asian thing too... Damn EP... Let The Boy Try Member Total Posts: 57 Mon Sep 08 18:31:47 Damn Asian Drivers. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 18:33:14 Asians invented drifting. incognito Member Total Posts: 4 Mon Sep 08 18:33:45 Asians invented homosexuality. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 18:34:07 source? incognito Member Total Posts: 4 Mon Sep 08 18:34:25 yo momma poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 18:38:01 incorrect. Real Fred Member Total Posts: 1596 Mon Sep 08 18:43:33 " and it's not legal in all states to make a right turn at a red light. " Bullshit. Poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 18:44:40 "" and it's not legal in all states to make a right turn at a red light. " Bullshit. " First time agreeing with your RF. I turn right at red all the time. Even when there's a cop right behind me, i don't give a fuck and just turn right when there are no income cars. Cops don't do jack shit. If the law enforcement doesn't mind, then fuck law. Law without enforcement isn't a law. Your Name: Your Password: Your Message:
ample.parking rank	Tue Sep 09 04:34:01 2008 Welcome to the Utopia Forums! The current time is Mon Sep 08 21:33:47 2008 , You have 53 new messages. Utopia Talk / General Talk / Fucking tired of woman drivers poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 11:53:42 So I was driving my way to work (I was already 30 minutes behind schedule) down on highway drinking coffee to wake myself up from sleep. Left lane, cruising down at 60mph, until I approached this car turtling down the lane at 40 something mph. Tried to switch lane but there were cars coming so I had no choice but to tail this moron car behind... But this continued on for a while until I got really tired and started pushing my way into the car. The car eventually moved to the center lane, and so I quickly passed by and curious to see who the moron was I checked the window, and to my surprise, I saw a woman, putting on make-up and her left hand was closed except the middle finger, pointing toward me. So I got flipped off, big deal, she's a bitch, I ignored. Later on, when I was already 10 minutes late to work, there was another car going at 20 mph in highway when everyone else was going at 40mph, so I switched lane immediately and tried to pass by her quickly, until the car just forced its way into (it was congested) front of me, which ALMOST resulted in collision. I passed by the car eventually, a WOMAN. Ignored. So I was almost at work, and it was a local road, intersection turning right, there were no cars at sight, but the car was waiting forever till light turned green. I was like "wtf moron just go you're turning right". Eventually teh light turned green, and the car finally moved. I passed by teh car, A WOMAN. FUCK!!! Women should just not drive. They all sux and their personality just aren't fit to be a good driver. They are too soft and selfish in nature, dont want to take responsibilities, and that's why something like today happened. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 413 Mon Sep 08 12:14:14 tldr Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 12:49:50 This post is full of disgusting misogynism. You are more likely to run into women during this time of day than men because there are more housewives than house husbands. In the last woman's defense, did you check the state of her license plate? I run into that quite a bit since CNN decided to broadcast how great the Texas economy is compared to the rest of the nation, and it's not legal in all states to make a right turn at a red light. With that said, I also do not care for people who get easily distracted in a car, which tends to be women because women are more likely to try and multitask. But equally irritating are the men who are overly aggressive, taking stupid risks and using their vehicles in a threatening manner simply because they're annoyed...they also are less likely to allow a vehicle over into their lane which gets particularly frustrating when you're just trying to exit. And somewhat related, did you hear about the study done on aggressive driving and road rage? Apparently people who tended to decorate their vehicle, either through bumper stickers or custom paint jobs or racing stripes or personalized license plates (or whatever whatever) tended to be far more aggressive on the road, taking on the attitude that this is my personal space and how dare you get in the way of it. While those who don't tend to decorate their vehicles view the road as a public place, and the actions of stupid drivers don't get under their skin quite so much. EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 12:52:25 "Fucking tired of woman drivers" says the fucking asian?! EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 12:52:50 (yeah, who can resist the urge to fight sexism with racism? :) Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:01:03 I'm ashamed to admit I laughed. EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:01:08 k, read your post. "on highway... Left lane, cruising down at 60mph" fucking PROOF. gtfo the big boy lane. goddamn typical asian. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:10:53 Earthpig, come to Los Angeles, drive I405 at 8 in the morning, and try to go beyond 60mph. I dont' live in Idaho or equally uncivilized place where cows outnumber human so maybe this concept of rush hour is foreign to you. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:11:51 Earthpig doesn't discriminate with his prejudices, he's got an "ist" for everything. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:14:10 8 you say? Hm, I thought you were 2 hours behind. Darn daylight savings time always throws me off. Got to calm down Poison, stress kills. EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:18:16 hey now kay, be fair. not a single word of mine ended in "ist." repel Member Total Posts: 82 Mon Sep 08 13:18:31 do you people wanna come over to the netherlands and drive here during the top hours. lots of fun over here :D Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:24:42 Nooo no no. I want no part of your crazy european driving. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:27:02 Kaylana, deal with it. it's been scientifically proven that women are worse driver than men. They lack senses of finding direction and their mind tend to be treat car as "others" whereas men treat car as "self". All this psychological differences between men and women contribute the driving style, and overall women comes out to be worse when it comes to driving. Admit it, women suck at driving. Don't point out the exceptions. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:31:13 Mmhm, source? poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:37:44 telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/ news/2008/01/03/ngay103.xml From the article: "Women and gay men are likely to be the worst drivers, a new study has shown. Research has revealed that both perform poorly in tasks involving navigation and spatial awareness when compared to heterosexual men. Psychologists at Queen Mary, University of London, who conducted the study, believe the findings mean driving in a strange environment would be more difficult for gay men and women than for straight male motorists. Both tend to rely on local landmarks to get around, and are also slower to take in spatial information." "The results back earlier studies supporting the stereotype that women are poor navigators. Although women are more successful in tests requiring them to remember the position of objects, men consistently do better in tasks requiring navigation and uncovering hidden objects." ""Women are going to take a lot longer to reach their destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns etc. They need more rich local landmarks." Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:38:21 Odd, I'm having a very hard time finding this scientifically proven fact that women are worse drivers. http://www.webmd.com/news/20051109/are-women-better-drivers "This study demonstrates that tasks requiring mental flexibility favor women over men, an area previously not considered to elicit strong sex differences," Fox says in a news release. "Driving could be a good example of how this is applied to everyday life." http://blo...n_better_drivers_than_men.html Insurance company AAMi is claiming that women are better drivers than men, based on a survey it has published today. The findings are based upon a national telephone survey of 2384 licensed drivers conducted in most States and Territories in 2006, as well as an analysis of AAMI claims data. AAMI spokesperson Geoff Hughes says the results mean it's no surprise that men's motoring insurance claims typically cost 20 per cent more than women's. “Our claims data shows that men’s crashes tend to be more serious than women’s – they are more likely to be involved in head-on collisions, roll-overs and loss-of-control crashes, as well as crashes involving pedestrians, cyclists and animals. “Conversely, women are more likely to collide with stationary objects or reverse into other cars. http://www...r_drivers_than_women/artid/259 So… let's see what the statistics have to say about drivers, in terms of males vs. females. Figures compiled by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) show that more men than women die each year in motor vehicle crashes, figures that drew explanatory comments from various insurance industry observers such as Russ Rader of IIHS, in Arlington, Va., and Tully Lehman, of the Insurance Information Network of California (IINC). "Men typically drive more miles than women and engage more often in risky driving practices including not using a safety belt… and speeding," according to Rader, spokesman for IIHS, in Arlington, Va. "This is due to the fact that men typically drive more miles and exhibit often risky driving practices such as driving while intoxicated, not wearing a seatbelt and speeding," said Lehman. http://www...s-The-Better-DriverWomen!.aspx (Humerous video on exceptional male drivers.) EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:40:26 "Mmhm, source?" if i find a source coming out of Saudi Arabia will it count? ;) Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:40:46 telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/ news/2008/01/03/ngay103.xml This link doesn't lead me to that article, and the statement is wrong anyway. Poor navigational skills does not equate to bad driving, and that is the only thing that the study has shown. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:42:45 ""Women are going to take a lot longer to reach their destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns etc. They need more rich local landmarks." Taking longer to reach destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns all = more retarded when it comes to driving. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:43:16 Anyway I just wanted to see if you were stupid enough to actually try and provide proof. And you didn't disappoint. Men and women have somewhat different driving styles (though those differences are decreasing over time, if you looked at some of those studies), but just because their bad habits are different, that doesn't make one less able to drive than the other. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:43:30 Try this link" http://www...n-are-%27worst-drivers%27.html poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:44:53 so all along you call me stupid for not backing up what I say, and now I back it up you call me stupid for providing sources? Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:45:45 "Taking longer to reach destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns all = more retarded when it comes to driving." Because taking longer is so much worse than dying a horrible horrible death before ever reaching that destination. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:48:04 "so all along you call me stupid for not backing up what I say, and now I back it up you call me stupid for providing sources?" I didn't say you were stupid for not backing up what you had to say. Comprehension has never been your strongest suit. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:48:51 kaylana, dying horrible death isn't the only indication of horrible driving. Women may take be safer because they are so horrible at driving that they do everything so freaking slowly (like pulling their cars out from parking lot) and frustrate every single fucking person around her. Driving fuking 30 mph cuz she cant drive better when driving on speed limit, thats horrible driving. EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:52:02 and driving 60 in the fast lane. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:52:28 Kaylana, i bet you drive like granma. You are probably one of those "I abide to laws" that drive EXACTLY at 65mph in highway first lane when all other cars go at 85mph. Well good job but to others it's just fucking annoying. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:54:45 If the person in the mobile weapon ahead, behind, or around me isn't skilled enough to drive at high speeds, I'd rather they be achingly careful. And poor navigational skills in unfamiliar areas is an entirely different issue from the actual ability to drive. But I don't put a lot of credence into that article that cannot be accessed anyway, since that is UK specific and not USA, and the geographical area in which women drive regularly is extremely limited in the UK, while women in the USA are far more likely to find themselves navigating unfamiliar areas all of their lives. And, besides that, those sorts of differences are decreasing. But it's all moot since it's a stupid thing to try and prove. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:57:03 " I don't put a lot of credence into that article that cannot be accessed anyway" I posted up a working link. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:57:30 As a matter of fact, I have a horrible habit of aggressive driving. I tone it down when I have other people in the car. Kyra can confirm this...after she hitched a ride with me through Dallas, I asked her if I was making her nervous since she turned 3 shades of white (a real trick for an Italian). Plus in Texas, cops don't pull you over unless you're going more than 10mph over the speed limit...so I pretty much consider that the speed limit. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:58:04 The link doesn't lead me to your article. Just leads me to the index site. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:58:17 well I never considered you much of a woman so that's not surprising. SStrickland Member Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 13:58:34 Poison- "you're probably.."-ies are for fucktards. Especially when they're directed toward such a fine creature like Kaylana. STFU mang. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:59:08 http://www...n-are-%27worst-drivers%27.html This link? I just tried it and it led me to the article fine. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 14:00:46 No SStrickland. Kaylana's being absurd here. She asked me to post up a study, I did, and now she says it's not credible enough source and completely reject my idea. she's not a fine creature. sorry. SStrickland Member Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 14:03:28 Your sexism toward women is the equivalent of the bulk of UGTs bigotry toward your being Asian. Its just stupid is what it is. And no, Kaylana is damn fine. You'll learn what a real woman is when you finally feel the caress of one ;) Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:04:24 Ah that's not the link you originally posted. And I am definitely not the typical woman driver, so I should never be considered the norm. I am rather mannish. But nothing that you have stated makes women worse drivers. The ability to navigate is a seperate skill. Plus, this difference is only notable in new environments, and the study was done in the UK where these results would make sense considering their lifestyles and driving distances. Random UGTer Member Total Posts: 6 Mon Sep 08 14:04:24 interesting comment on that article. This research was done in the biology department at London's Queen Mary University. It's not "social science". It was about gender differences in spatial awareness, not driving. And it says people are "different", not "worse". Please don't insult scientists because a Telegraph journalist decided to put some spin on the story. The original (un-spun) report is at http://www.sbcs.qmul.ac.uk/news/index.shtml It's the one titled January 2008 - Gender differences in spatial navigation. Has nothing to do with driving specifically. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 14:04:26 you make it sound as if you actually caressed Kaylana before. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:06:24 I actually rejected the premise of the article. Since the premise of the article is that women and gay men are worse drivers, but the study itself has very little to do with actual driving, I can conclude that the premise is flawed. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 14:06:46 "The ability to navigate is a seperate skill." Navigation skill and driving skill are all related. You are lost in one city. You become desperate as you try to find your way. You start making errors, start ignoring lights, giving no signals, etc. All related. Still Well Member Total Posts: 62 Mon Sep 08 14:08:05 "You are lost in one city. You become desperate as you try to find your way. You start making errors, start ignoring lights, giving no signals, etc. " So your saying men react better than women to pressure? SStrickland Member Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 14:08:10 How could you establish that summation? Reread what I wrote. I make it sound like I've felt the caress of a woman, not necessarily Kaylana. Quit while you're behind, Poison. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:09:43 "Navigation skill and driving skill are all related." Only in the relationship that while you are doing one, you are often doing the other at the same time. The ability to drive a car is a different skill than navigating a direction. "You are lost in one city. You become desperate as you try to find your way. You start making errors, start ignoring lights, giving no signals, etc." Slippery slope fallacy. Getting lost does not necessarily lead to these things. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:11:18 Besides, as I've already said, the point is moot. Pointless to argue. I'd rather someone who is unsure of their driving skills to slow down and be careful (and frustrating all the Poisons behind them) then to be aggressive and make stupid mistakes out of anger and fear and end up killing themselves or someone else. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:13:37 Now if she's driving 20mph under the speed limit because she's applying her mascara, feel free to flip her the bird an extra time for me. SStrickland Member Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 14:16:42 Sorry Poison, you lost. I was rooting for you and wanted to join your "cause".... You just made it impossible for me :/ Next time though. Nobody Member Total Posts: 36 Mon Sep 08 14:27:52 Actually in my experience as a cyclist I have been hit more times by male drivers than female drivers. Two thirds of the time they don't even bother to stop. I get hit about once a month and have been a cyclist for about three years. And I don't tend to be a reckless biker. I actually follow all the laws stopping at stop signs and red lights as any vehicle should. I have been hit because a driver ignored my right of way (in PA bikes get the same right of way as cars) I have been hit as people drove past me, I have also been hit because I made a mistake. But never the less women have not hit me as much and tend to stop more often when they do. So based on my experience alone I would say women drivers are actually the better drivers. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:30:44 I sympathize with you nobody. We have the same laws in Texas, and it's illegal for cyclists to be on the sidewalks because of pedestrians, but it's too dangerous to ride on the street because motorists don't respect your bike as a vehicle. Nobody Member Total Posts: 36 Mon Sep 08 14:46:38 The saddest part is that according to Money Magazine State College is a very bike friendly town. Poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 15:00:33 "And no, Kaylana is damn fine. You'll learn what a real woman is when you finally feel the caress of one ;)" Here, maybe it was a mistake, you make it sound as you know what a real woman is once you caress the woman. You know, like test driving. You know what car is good for you only after test drive it. So it was too obvious of an assumption that you caressed Kaylana before to know whether she is a real woman or not. Kaylana: When we are speaking of driving, it's pretty ignorant to use only the accident rate as the measure of "driving skill". Just like how murder rate is not the only measure for crime. There are all these minor details in driving (that you tend to not pay attention to) that sums up overall package of driving. That includes being aware of what's going on in the surroundings and know what to do when you are in tough driving situation, and even knowing when it's alright (or even necessary) to break a very minor "law" (like turning right on red) to make things easy. As much as driving requires law knowledge it requires just as much common sense (and driving 40 mph in 60 mph road which annoys and slows down the traffic in the fast lane is not a good showing of common sense). In such measures, I, and the rest of World (I have the survey of people's perspective one "worst drivers) put women as one of the worst group of people. SStrickland Member Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 15:13:52 "Here, maybe it was a mistake, you make it sound as you know what a real woman is once you caress the woman. You know, like test driving. You know what car is good for you only after test drive it. So it was too obvious of an assumption that you caressed Kaylana before to know whether she is a real woman or not. " What the fuck does getting some tang have to do with test driving a car? Your babble about shitty drivers has nothing to do with getting laid or Kaylana being hot dude. The fact that she is has nothing to do with her driving. How could you have twisted that so far out of context? Damn man. Allow me to reiterate two separate things- 1-Dont be a sexist pig. It's the same as when all the UGT flamerods call you chink or gook. Its child childish and imbecilic. 2-Dont belittle (such a fine creature like) Kaylana for being a woman or make assumptions about her driving ability when you've never met her and dont even know her. SStrickland Member Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 15:14:43 Poison I think you have more hours in your day than you need. QAG Member Total Posts: 42 Mon Sep 08 15:15:24 Hmmm... intresting every time i find an idiot driver its generaly a man. Ehcks Member Total Posts: 144 Mon Sep 08 15:39:06 I hate all drivers. I don't feel safe unless the nearest car is a mile behind me in the opposite lanes. EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 15:47:01 "motorists don't respect your bike as a vehicle." ill respect a bike as much as a car - until it slows traffic down (seriously, gtfo my left hand turn lane. crosswalk is right over there). then, fuck you. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 15:48:10 Good thing I didn't just use the accident rate, then...that's just the most tangible item of proof, one statistic that all studies universally agree on. Nobody Member Total Posts: 36 Mon Sep 08 16:06:44 EP I'm smart enough to ride on roads that I can keep up with traffic. And I will sit in your turning lane when I have to fucking turn. I really don't need a ticket from a cop that wants to meet his god damn quota. But I assure you I don't slow down traffic. I have been clocked on my street bike going 37 mph on the level, and when a majority of the roads I ride are 25mph limit. Poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 16:26:27 ""Here, maybe it was a mistake, you make it sound as you know what a real woman is once you caress the woman. You know, like test driving. You know what car is good for you only after test drive it. So it was too obvious of an assumption that you caressed Kaylana before to know whether she is a real woman or not. " What the fuck does getting some tang have to do with test driving a car? Your babble about shitty drivers has nothing to do with getting laid or Kaylana being hot dude. The fact that she is has nothing to do with her driving. How could you have twisted that so far out of context? Damn man. " Dude I'm not talking about that. I was talking about how you said Kaylana is a fine creature (which itself has nothing to do with the topic at hand). I hate repeating what I've said but just to clarify incase you get the wrong understanding of what I meant: Remember how you said "Especially when they're directed toward such a fine creature like Kaylana," which I disagreed to, and then you responded, "Kaylana is damn fine. You'll learn what a real woman is when you finally feel the caress of one". I don't even know why you said the latter part. But for me, although now I know you didn't mean what I thought you meant, what you said really came off as if you've already caressed Kaylana to be able to know how "fine of a creature" she is. But let's not get into any argument regarding this irrelevant matter anymore. Poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 16:30:18 "Good thing I didn't just use the accident rate, then" "Our claims data shows that men’s crashes tend to be more serious than women’s – they are more likely to be involved in head-on collisions, roll-overs and loss-of-control crashes, as well as crashes involving pedestrians, cyclists and animals." Two articles of which you used as resources were all related to accident rate: "Figures compiled by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) show that more men than women die each year in motor vehicle crashes, figures that drew explanatory comments from various insurance industry observers such as Russ Rader of IIHS, in Arlington, Va., and Tully Lehman, of the Insurance Information Network of California (IINC). " This one is debatable: "Men typically drive more miles than women and engage more often in risky driving practices including not using a safety belt… and speeding," according to Rader, spokesman for IIHS, in Arlington, Va. "This is due to the fact that men typically drive more miles and exhibit often risky driving practices such as driving while intoxicated, not wearing a seatbelt and speeding," said Lehman. But Your primary argument for saying men is worse driver was the accident rate you brought up. And I think there're more than accident rates that measure more accurately what a "better driving" is. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:39:05 Kaylana: When we are speaking of driving, it's pretty ignorant to use only the accident rate as the measure of "driving skill". But Your primary argument for saying men is worse driver was the accident rate you brought up. --- Primary isn't the same as only, my dear, and you conveniently forgot to mention my first article. "This study demonstrates that tasks requiring mental flexibility favor women over men, an area previously not considered to elicit strong sex differences," Fox says in a news release. "Driving could be a good example of how this is applied to everyday life." Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:41:03 And in point of fact, I do not think nor am I arguing that men are worse drivers. What I'm doing, here, is providing sources that contradict your claims, with which I disagree with. I will say men and women have somewhat different natures in driving, at this point in time (I do not think that will always be the case), but I would not be so bold as to say one gender is better than the other. We each have strengths in different areas that apply to driving. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:43:18 You don't seem to get that all I'm against here is your blind antagonistic misogynism. Wrath of Orion Member Total Posts: 83 Mon Sep 08 16:45:32 He's just trolling like a little bitch. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:46:57 I'm convinced more and more that it's not trolling, just an extremely stunted view of life. TalonsWordsOfWisdom Member Total Posts: 23 Mon Sep 08 16:55:29 You are correct Kaylana Wrath of Orion Member Total Posts: 83 Mon Sep 08 17:14:38 Nah, this sounds more like Poison PMS'ing and deciding to troll the fem-nazis here. I definitely agree most of his idiocy is genuine, but this one doesn't fit. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 17:22:23 Well that does make sense, you could be right. EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 17:34:37 so you concede that you are a femanazi? sfw: http://www...roppings/werewolfwomen1qo7.jpg Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 17:39:59 Sure, but I'm not THAT ugly. gir Member Total Posts: 130 Mon Sep 08 17:40:42 Isn't Poison a girl? poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 17:41:05 Kaylana, I like you. But you are wrong. SStrickland Member Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 17:44:34 "Sure, but I'm not THAT ugly. " Kaylana is the sexiest of UGT *AND* UP! EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 17:47:51 O SHIT, kay. that reminds me of something i gotta tell you (academic). but right now im about to go to bed so dont bother hopping on IM... later. Ubes JAC Member Total Posts: 379 Mon Sep 08 18:27:18 Hahhaah! I was gonna point out the asian thing too... Damn EP... Let The Boy Try Member Total Posts: 57 Mon Sep 08 18:31:47 Damn Asian Drivers. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 18:33:14 Asians invented drifting. incognito Member Total Posts: 4 Mon Sep 08 18:33:45 Asians invented homosexuality. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 18:34:07 source? incognito Member Total Posts: 4 Mon Sep 08 18:34:25 yo momma poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 18:38:01 incorrect. Real Fred Member Total Posts: 1596 Mon Sep 08 18:43:33 " and it's not legal in all states to make a right turn at a red light. " Bullshit. Poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 18:44:40 "" and it's not legal in all states to make a right turn at a red light. " Bullshit. " First time agreeing with your RF. I turn right at red all the time. Even when there's a cop right behind me, i don't give a fuck and just turn right when there are no income cars. Cops don't do jack shit. If the law enforcement doesn't mind, then fuck law. Law without enforcement isn't a law. Your Name: Your Password: Your Message:
ample.parking rank	Tue Sep 09 04:34:03 2008 Welcome to the Utopia Forums! The current time is Mon Sep 08 21:33:47 2008 , You have 53 new messages. Utopia Talk / General Talk / Fucking tired of woman drivers poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 11:53:42 So I was driving my way to work (I was already 30 minutes behind schedule) down on highway drinking coffee to wake myself up from sleep. Left lane, cruising down at 60mph, until I approached this car turtling down the lane at 40 something mph. Tried to switch lane but there were cars coming so I had no choice but to tail this moron car behind... But this continued on for a while until I got really tired and started pushing my way into the car. The car eventually moved to the center lane, and so I quickly passed by and curious to see who the moron was I checked the window, and to my surprise, I saw a woman, putting on make-up and her left hand was closed except the middle finger, pointing toward me. So I got flipped off, big deal, she's a bitch, I ignored. Later on, when I was already 10 minutes late to work, there was another car going at 20 mph in highway when everyone else was going at 40mph, so I switched lane immediately and tried to pass by her quickly, until the car just forced its way into (it was congested) front of me, which ALMOST resulted in collision. I passed by the car eventually, a WOMAN. Ignored. So I was almost at work, and it was a local road, intersection turning right, there were no cars at sight, but the car was waiting forever till light turned green. I was like "wtf moron just go you're turning right". Eventually teh light turned green, and the car finally moved. I passed by teh car, A WOMAN. FUCK!!! Women should just not drive. They all sux and their personality just aren't fit to be a good driver. They are too soft and selfish in nature, dont want to take responsibilities, and that's why something like today happened. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 413 Mon Sep 08 12:14:14 tldr Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 12:49:50 This post is full of disgusting misogynism. You are more likely to run into women during this time of day than men because there are more housewives than house husbands. In the last woman's defense, did you check the state of her license plate? I run into that quite a bit since CNN decided to broadcast how great the Texas economy is compared to the rest of the nation, and it's not legal in all states to make a right turn at a red light. With that said, I also do not care for people who get easily distracted in a car, which tends to be women because women are more likely to try and multitask. But equally irritating are the men who are overly aggressive, taking stupid risks and using their vehicles in a threatening manner simply because they're annoyed...they also are less likely to allow a vehicle over into their lane which gets particularly frustrating when you're just trying to exit. And somewhat related, did you hear about the study done on aggressive driving and road rage? Apparently people who tended to decorate their vehicle, either through bumper stickers or custom paint jobs or racing stripes or personalized license plates (or whatever whatever) tended to be far more aggressive on the road, taking on the attitude that this is my personal space and how dare you get in the way of it. While those who don't tend to decorate their vehicles view the road as a public place, and the actions of stupid drivers don't get under their skin quite so much. EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 12:52:25 "Fucking tired of woman drivers" says the fucking asian?! EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 12:52:50 (yeah, who can resist the urge to fight sexism with racism? :) Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:01:03 I'm ashamed to admit I laughed. EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:01:08 k, read your post. "on highway... Left lane, cruising down at 60mph" fucking PROOF. gtfo the big boy lane. goddamn typical asian. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:10:53 Earthpig, come to Los Angeles, drive I405 at 8 in the morning, and try to go beyond 60mph. I dont' live in Idaho or equally uncivilized place where cows outnumber human so maybe this concept of rush hour is foreign to you. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:11:51 Earthpig doesn't discriminate with his prejudices, he's got an "ist" for everything. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:14:10 8 you say? Hm, I thought you were 2 hours behind. Darn daylight savings time always throws me off. Got to calm down Poison, stress kills. EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:18:16 hey now kay, be fair. not a single word of mine ended in "ist." repel Member Total Posts: 82 Mon Sep 08 13:18:31 do you people wanna come over to the netherlands and drive here during the top hours. lots of fun over here :D Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:24:42 Nooo no no. I want no part of your crazy european driving. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:27:02 Kaylana, deal with it. it's been scientifically proven that women are worse driver than men. They lack senses of finding direction and their mind tend to be treat car as "others" whereas men treat car as "self". All this psychological differences between men and women contribute the driving style, and overall women comes out to be worse when it comes to driving. Admit it, women suck at driving. Don't point out the exceptions. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:31:13 Mmhm, source? poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:37:44 telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/ news/2008/01/03/ngay103.xml From the article: "Women and gay men are likely to be the worst drivers, a new study has shown. Research has revealed that both perform poorly in tasks involving navigation and spatial awareness when compared to heterosexual men. Psychologists at Queen Mary, University of London, who conducted the study, believe the findings mean driving in a strange environment would be more difficult for gay men and women than for straight male motorists. Both tend to rely on local landmarks to get around, and are also slower to take in spatial information." "The results back earlier studies supporting the stereotype that women are poor navigators. Although women are more successful in tests requiring them to remember the position of objects, men consistently do better in tasks requiring navigation and uncovering hidden objects." ""Women are going to take a lot longer to reach their destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns etc. They need more rich local landmarks." Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:38:21 Odd, I'm having a very hard time finding this scientifically proven fact that women are worse drivers. http://www.webmd.com/news/20051109/are-women-better-drivers "This study demonstrates that tasks requiring mental flexibility favor women over men, an area previously not considered to elicit strong sex differences," Fox says in a news release. "Driving could be a good example of how this is applied to everyday life." http://blo...n_better_drivers_than_men.html Insurance company AAMi is claiming that women are better drivers than men, based on a survey it has published today. The findings are based upon a national telephone survey of 2384 licensed drivers conducted in most States and Territories in 2006, as well as an analysis of AAMI claims data. AAMI spokesperson Geoff Hughes says the results mean it's no surprise that men's motoring insurance claims typically cost 20 per cent more than women's. “Our claims data shows that men’s crashes tend to be more serious than women’s – they are more likely to be involved in head-on collisions, roll-overs and loss-of-control crashes, as well as crashes involving pedestrians, cyclists and animals. “Conversely, women are more likely to collide with stationary objects or reverse into other cars. http://www...r_drivers_than_women/artid/259 So… let's see what the statistics have to say about drivers, in terms of males vs. females. Figures compiled by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) show that more men than women die each year in motor vehicle crashes, figures that drew explanatory comments from various insurance industry observers such as Russ Rader of IIHS, in Arlington, Va., and Tully Lehman, of the Insurance Information Network of California (IINC). "Men typically drive more miles than women and engage more often in risky driving practices including not using a safety belt… and speeding," according to Rader, spokesman for IIHS, in Arlington, Va. "This is due to the fact that men typically drive more miles and exhibit often risky driving practices such as driving while intoxicated, not wearing a seatbelt and speeding," said Lehman. http://www...s-The-Better-DriverWomen!.aspx (Humerous video on exceptional male drivers.) EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:40:26 "Mmhm, source?" if i find a source coming out of Saudi Arabia will it count? ;) Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:40:46 telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/ news/2008/01/03/ngay103.xml This link doesn't lead me to that article, and the statement is wrong anyway. Poor navigational skills does not equate to bad driving, and that is the only thing that the study has shown. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:42:45 ""Women are going to take a lot longer to reach their destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns etc. They need more rich local landmarks." Taking longer to reach destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns all = more retarded when it comes to driving. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:43:16 Anyway I just wanted to see if you were stupid enough to actually try and provide proof. And you didn't disappoint. Men and women have somewhat different driving styles (though those differences are decreasing over time, if you looked at some of those studies), but just because their bad habits are different, that doesn't make one less able to drive than the other. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:43:30 Try this link" http://www...n-are-%27worst-drivers%27.html poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:44:53 so all along you call me stupid for not backing up what I say, and now I back it up you call me stupid for providing sources? Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:45:45 "Taking longer to reach destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns all = more retarded when it comes to driving." Because taking longer is so much worse than dying a horrible horrible death before ever reaching that destination. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:48:04 "so all along you call me stupid for not backing up what I say, and now I back it up you call me stupid for providing sources?" I didn't say you were stupid for not backing up what you had to say. Comprehension has never been your strongest suit. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:48:51 kaylana, dying horrible death isn't the only indication of horrible driving. Women may take be safer because they are so horrible at driving that they do everything so freaking slowly (like pulling their cars out from parking lot) and frustrate every single fucking person around her. Driving fuking 30 mph cuz she cant drive better when driving on speed limit, thats horrible driving. EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:52:02 and driving 60 in the fast lane. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:52:28 Kaylana, i bet you drive like granma. You are probably one of those "I abide to laws" that drive EXACTLY at 65mph in highway first lane when all other cars go at 85mph. Well good job but to others it's just fucking annoying. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:54:45 If the person in the mobile weapon ahead, behind, or around me isn't skilled enough to drive at high speeds, I'd rather they be achingly careful. And poor navigational skills in unfamiliar areas is an entirely different issue from the actual ability to drive. But I don't put a lot of credence into that article that cannot be accessed anyway, since that is UK specific and not USA, and the geographical area in which women drive regularly is extremely limited in the UK, while women in the USA are far more likely to find themselves navigating unfamiliar areas all of their lives. And, besides that, those sorts of differences are decreasing. But it's all moot since it's a stupid thing to try and prove. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:57:03 " I don't put a lot of credence into that article that cannot be accessed anyway" I posted up a working link. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:57:30 As a matter of fact, I have a horrible habit of aggressive driving. I tone it down when I have other people in the car. Kyra can confirm this...after she hitched a ride with me through Dallas, I asked her if I was making her nervous since she turned 3 shades of white (a real trick for an Italian). Plus in Texas, cops don't pull you over unless you're going more than 10mph over the speed limit...so I pretty much consider that the speed limit. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:58:04 The link doesn't lead me to your article. Just leads me to the index site. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:58:17 well I never considered you much of a woman so that's not surprising. SStrickland Member Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 13:58:34 Poison- "you're probably.."-ies are for fucktards. Especially when they're directed toward such a fine creature like Kaylana. STFU mang. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:59:08 http://www...n-are-%27worst-drivers%27.html This link? I just tried it and it led me to the article fine. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 14:00:46 No SStrickland. Kaylana's being absurd here. She asked me to post up a study, I did, and now she says it's not credible enough source and completely reject my idea. she's not a fine creature. sorry. SStrickland Member Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 14:03:28 Your sexism toward women is the equivalent of the bulk of UGTs bigotry toward your being Asian. Its just stupid is what it is. And no, Kaylana is damn fine. You'll learn what a real woman is when you finally feel the caress of one ;) Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:04:24 Ah that's not the link you originally posted. And I am definitely not the typical woman driver, so I should never be considered the norm. I am rather mannish. But nothing that you have stated makes women worse drivers. The ability to navigate is a seperate skill. Plus, this difference is only notable in new environments, and the study was done in the UK where these results would make sense considering their lifestyles and driving distances. Random UGTer Member Total Posts: 6 Mon Sep 08 14:04:24 interesting comment on that article. This research was done in the biology department at London's Queen Mary University. It's not "social science". It was about gender differences in spatial awareness, not driving. And it says people are "different", not "worse". Please don't insult scientists because a Telegraph journalist decided to put some spin on the story. The original (un-spun) report is at http://www.sbcs.qmul.ac.uk/news/index.shtml It's the one titled January 2008 - Gender differences in spatial navigation. Has nothing to do with driving specifically. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 14:04:26 you make it sound as if you actually caressed Kaylana before. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:06:24 I actually rejected the premise of the article. Since the premise of the article is that women and gay men are worse drivers, but the study itself has very little to do with actual driving, I can conclude that the premise is flawed. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 14:06:46 "The ability to navigate is a seperate skill." Navigation skill and driving skill are all related. You are lost in one city. You become desperate as you try to find your way. You start making errors, start ignoring lights, giving no signals, etc. All related. Still Well Member Total Posts: 62 Mon Sep 08 14:08:05 "You are lost in one city. You become desperate as you try to find your way. You start making errors, start ignoring lights, giving no signals, etc. " So your saying men react better than women to pressure? SStrickland Member Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 14:08:10 How could you establish that summation? Reread what I wrote. I make it sound like I've felt the caress of a woman, not necessarily Kaylana. Quit while you're behind, Poison. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:09:43 "Navigation skill and driving skill are all related." Only in the relationship that while you are doing one, you are often doing the other at the same time. The ability to drive a car is a different skill than navigating a direction. "You are lost in one city. You become desperate as you try to find your way. You start making errors, start ignoring lights, giving no signals, etc." Slippery slope fallacy. Getting lost does not necessarily lead to these things. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:11:18 Besides, as I've already said, the point is moot. Pointless to argue. I'd rather someone who is unsure of their driving skills to slow down and be careful (and frustrating all the Poisons behind them) then to be aggressive and make stupid mistakes out of anger and fear and end up killing themselves or someone else. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:13:37 Now if she's driving 20mph under the speed limit because she's applying her mascara, feel free to flip her the bird an extra time for me. SStrickland Member Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 14:16:42 Sorry Poison, you lost. I was rooting for you and wanted to join your "cause".... You just made it impossible for me :/ Next time though. Nobody Member Total Posts: 36 Mon Sep 08 14:27:52 Actually in my experience as a cyclist I have been hit more times by male drivers than female drivers. Two thirds of the time they don't even bother to stop. I get hit about once a month and have been a cyclist for about three years. And I don't tend to be a reckless biker. I actually follow all the laws stopping at stop signs and red lights as any vehicle should. I have been hit because a driver ignored my right of way (in PA bikes get the same right of way as cars) I have been hit as people drove past me, I have also been hit because I made a mistake. But never the less women have not hit me as much and tend to stop more often when they do. So based on my experience alone I would say women drivers are actually the better drivers. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:30:44 I sympathize with you nobody. We have the same laws in Texas, and it's illegal for cyclists to be on the sidewalks because of pedestrians, but it's too dangerous to ride on the street because motorists don't respect your bike as a vehicle. Nobody Member Total Posts: 36 Mon Sep 08 14:46:38 The saddest part is that according to Money Magazine State College is a very bike friendly town. Poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 15:00:33 "And no, Kaylana is damn fine. You'll learn what a real woman is when you finally feel the caress of one ;)" Here, maybe it was a mistake, you make it sound as you know what a real woman is once you caress the woman. You know, like test driving. You know what car is good for you only after test drive it. So it was too obvious of an assumption that you caressed Kaylana before to know whether she is a real woman or not. Kaylana: When we are speaking of driving, it's pretty ignorant to use only the accident rate as the measure of "driving skill". Just like how murder rate is not the only measure for crime. There are all these minor details in driving (that you tend to not pay attention to) that sums up overall package of driving. That includes being aware of what's going on in the surroundings and know what to do when you are in tough driving situation, and even knowing when it's alright (or even necessary) to break a very minor "law" (like turning right on red) to make things easy. As much as driving requires law knowledge it requires just as much common sense (and driving 40 mph in 60 mph road which annoys and slows down the traffic in the fast lane is not a good showing of common sense). In such measures, I, and the rest of World (I have the survey of people's perspective one "worst drivers) put women as one of the worst group of people. SStrickland Member Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 15:13:52 "Here, maybe it was a mistake, you make it sound as you know what a real woman is once you caress the woman. You know, like test driving. You know what car is good for you only after test drive it. So it was too obvious of an assumption that you caressed Kaylana before to know whether she is a real woman or not. " What the fuck does getting some tang have to do with test driving a car? Your babble about shitty drivers has nothing to do with getting laid or Kaylana being hot dude. The fact that she is has nothing to do with her driving. How could you have twisted that so far out of context? Damn man. Allow me to reiterate two separate things- 1-Dont be a sexist pig. It's the same as when all the UGT flamerods call you chink or gook. Its child childish and imbecilic. 2-Dont belittle (such a fine creature like) Kaylana for being a woman or make assumptions about her driving ability when you've never met her and dont even know her. SStrickland Member Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 15:14:43 Poison I think you have more hours in your day than you need. QAG Member Total Posts: 42 Mon Sep 08 15:15:24 Hmmm... intresting every time i find an idiot driver its generaly a man. Ehcks Member Total Posts: 144 Mon Sep 08 15:39:06 I hate all drivers. I don't feel safe unless the nearest car is a mile behind me in the opposite lanes. EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 15:47:01 "motorists don't respect your bike as a vehicle." ill respect a bike as much as a car - until it slows traffic down (seriously, gtfo my left hand turn lane. crosswalk is right over there). then, fuck you. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 15:48:10 Good thing I didn't just use the accident rate, then...that's just the most tangible item of proof, one statistic that all studies universally agree on. Nobody Member Total Posts: 36 Mon Sep 08 16:06:44 EP I'm smart enough to ride on roads that I can keep up with traffic. And I will sit in your turning lane when I have to fucking turn. I really don't need a ticket from a cop that wants to meet his god damn quota. But I assure you I don't slow down traffic. I have been clocked on my street bike going 37 mph on the level, and when a majority of the roads I ride are 25mph limit. Poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 16:26:27 ""Here, maybe it was a mistake, you make it sound as you know what a real woman is once you caress the woman. You know, like test driving. You know what car is good for you only after test drive it. So it was too obvious of an assumption that you caressed Kaylana before to know whether she is a real woman or not. " What the fuck does getting some tang have to do with test driving a car? Your babble about shitty drivers has nothing to do with getting laid or Kaylana being hot dude. The fact that she is has nothing to do with her driving. How could you have twisted that so far out of context? Damn man. " Dude I'm not talking about that. I was talking about how you said Kaylana is a fine creature (which itself has nothing to do with the topic at hand). I hate repeating what I've said but just to clarify incase you get the wrong understanding of what I meant: Remember how you said "Especially when they're directed toward such a fine creature like Kaylana," which I disagreed to, and then you responded, "Kaylana is damn fine. You'll learn what a real woman is when you finally feel the caress of one". I don't even know why you said the latter part. But for me, although now I know you didn't mean what I thought you meant, what you said really came off as if you've already caressed Kaylana to be able to know how "fine of a creature" she is. But let's not get into any argument regarding this irrelevant matter anymore. Poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 16:30:18 "Good thing I didn't just use the accident rate, then" "Our claims data shows that men’s crashes tend to be more serious than women’s – they are more likely to be involved in head-on collisions, roll-overs and loss-of-control crashes, as well as crashes involving pedestrians, cyclists and animals." Two articles of which you used as resources were all related to accident rate: "Figures compiled by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) show that more men than women die each year in motor vehicle crashes, figures that drew explanatory comments from various insurance industry observers such as Russ Rader of IIHS, in Arlington, Va., and Tully Lehman, of the Insurance Information Network of California (IINC). " This one is debatable: "Men typically drive more miles than women and engage more often in risky driving practices including not using a safety belt… and speeding," according to Rader, spokesman for IIHS, in Arlington, Va. "This is due to the fact that men typically drive more miles and exhibit often risky driving practices such as driving while intoxicated, not wearing a seatbelt and speeding," said Lehman. But Your primary argument for saying men is worse driver was the accident rate you brought up. And I think there're more than accident rates that measure more accurately what a "better driving" is. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:39:05 Kaylana: When we are speaking of driving, it's pretty ignorant to use only the accident rate as the measure of "driving skill". But Your primary argument for saying men is worse driver was the accident rate you brought up. --- Primary isn't the same as only, my dear, and you conveniently forgot to mention my first article. "This study demonstrates that tasks requiring mental flexibility favor women over men, an area previously not considered to elicit strong sex differences," Fox says in a news release. "Driving could be a good example of how this is applied to everyday life." Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:41:03 And in point of fact, I do not think nor am I arguing that men are worse drivers. What I'm doing, here, is providing sources that contradict your claims, with which I disagree with. I will say men and women have somewhat different natures in driving, at this point in time (I do not think that will always be the case), but I would not be so bold as to say one gender is better than the other. We each have strengths in different areas that apply to driving. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:43:18 You don't seem to get that all I'm against here is your blind antagonistic misogynism. Wrath of Orion Member Total Posts: 83 Mon Sep 08 16:45:32 He's just trolling like a little bitch. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:46:57 I'm convinced more and more that it's not trolling, just an extremely stunted view of life. TalonsWordsOfWisdom Member Total Posts: 23 Mon Sep 08 16:55:29 You are correct Kaylana Wrath of Orion Member Total Posts: 83 Mon Sep 08 17:14:38 Nah, this sounds more like Poison PMS'ing and deciding to troll the fem-nazis here. I definitely agree most of his idiocy is genuine, but this one doesn't fit. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 17:22:23 Well that does make sense, you could be right. EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 17:34:37 so you concede that you are a femanazi? sfw: http://www...roppings/werewolfwomen1qo7.jpg Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 17:39:59 Sure, but I'm not THAT ugly. gir Member Total Posts: 130 Mon Sep 08 17:40:42 Isn't Poison a girl? poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 17:41:05 Kaylana, I like you. But you are wrong. SStrickland Member Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 17:44:34 "Sure, but I'm not THAT ugly. " Kaylana is the sexiest of UGT *AND* UP! EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 17:47:51 O SHIT, kay. that reminds me of something i gotta tell you (academic). but right now im about to go to bed so dont bother hopping on IM... later. Ubes JAC Member Total Posts: 379 Mon Sep 08 18:27:18 Hahhaah! I was gonna point out the asian thing too... Damn EP... Let The Boy Try Member Total Posts: 57 Mon Sep 08 18:31:47 Damn Asian Drivers. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 18:33:14 Asians invented drifting. incognito Member Total Posts: 4 Mon Sep 08 18:33:45 Asians invented homosexuality. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 18:34:07 source? incognito Member Total Posts: 4 Mon Sep 08 18:34:25 yo momma poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 18:38:01 incorrect. Real Fred Member Total Posts: 1596 Mon Sep 08 18:43:33 " and it's not legal in all states to make a right turn at a red light. " Bullshit. Poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 18:44:40 "" and it's not legal in all states to make a right turn at a red light. " Bullshit. " First time agreeing with your RF. I turn right at red all the time. Even when there's a cop right behind me, i don't give a fuck and just turn right when there are no income cars. Cops don't do jack shit. If the law enforcement doesn't mind, then fuck law. Law without enforcement isn't a law. Your Name: Your Password: Your Message:
ample.parking rank	Tue Sep 09 04:34:04 2008 Welcome to the Utopia Forums! The current time is Mon Sep 08 21:33:47 2008 , You have 53 new messages. Utopia Talk / General Talk / Fucking tired of woman drivers poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 11:53:42 So I was driving my way to work (I was already 30 minutes behind schedule) down on highway drinking coffee to wake myself up from sleep. Left lane, cruising down at 60mph, until I approached this car turtling down the lane at 40 something mph. Tried to switch lane but there were cars coming so I had no choice but to tail this moron car behind... But this continued on for a while until I got really tired and started pushing my way into the car. The car eventually moved to the center lane, and so I quickly passed by and curious to see who the moron was I checked the window, and to my surprise, I saw a woman, putting on make-up and her left hand was closed except the middle finger, pointing toward me. So I got flipped off, big deal, she's a bitch, I ignored. Later on, when I was already 10 minutes late to work, there was another car going at 20 mph in highway when everyone else was going at 40mph, so I switched lane immediately and tried to pass by her quickly, until the car just forced its way into (it was congested) front of me, which ALMOST resulted in collision. I passed by the car eventually, a WOMAN. Ignored. So I was almost at work, and it was a local road, intersection turning right, there were no cars at sight, but the car was waiting forever till light turned green. I was like "wtf moron just go you're turning right". Eventually teh light turned green, and the car finally moved. I passed by teh car, A WOMAN. FUCK!!! Women should just not drive. They all sux and their personality just aren't fit to be a good driver. They are too soft and selfish in nature, dont want to take responsibilities, and that's why something like today happened. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 413 Mon Sep 08 12:14:14 tldr Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 12:49:50 This post is full of disgusting misogynism. You are more likely to run into women during this time of day than men because there are more housewives than house husbands. In the last woman's defense, did you check the state of her license plate? I run into that quite a bit since CNN decided to broadcast how great the Texas economy is compared to the rest of the nation, and it's not legal in all states to make a right turn at a red light. With that said, I also do not care for people who get easily distracted in a car, which tends to be women because women are more likely to try and multitask. But equally irritating are the men who are overly aggressive, taking stupid risks and using their vehicles in a threatening manner simply because they're annoyed...they also are less likely to allow a vehicle over into their lane which gets particularly frustrating when you're just trying to exit. And somewhat related, did you hear about the study done on aggressive driving and road rage? Apparently people who tended to decorate their vehicle, either through bumper stickers or custom paint jobs or racing stripes or personalized license plates (or whatever whatever) tended to be far more aggressive on the road, taking on the attitude that this is my personal space and how dare you get in the way of it. While those who don't tend to decorate their vehicles view the road as a public place, and the actions of stupid drivers don't get under their skin quite so much. EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 12:52:25 "Fucking tired of woman drivers" says the fucking asian?! EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 12:52:50 (yeah, who can resist the urge to fight sexism with racism? :) Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:01:03 I'm ashamed to admit I laughed. EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:01:08 k, read your post. "on highway... Left lane, cruising down at 60mph" fucking PROOF. gtfo the big boy lane. goddamn typical asian. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:10:53 Earthpig, come to Los Angeles, drive I405 at 8 in the morning, and try to go beyond 60mph. I dont' live in Idaho or equally uncivilized place where cows outnumber human so maybe this concept of rush hour is foreign to you. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:11:51 Earthpig doesn't discriminate with his prejudices, he's got an "ist" for everything. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:14:10 8 you say? Hm, I thought you were 2 hours behind. Darn daylight savings time always throws me off. Got to calm down Poison, stress kills. EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:18:16 hey now kay, be fair. not a single word of mine ended in "ist." repel Member Total Posts: 82 Mon Sep 08 13:18:31 do you people wanna come over to the netherlands and drive here during the top hours. lots of fun over here :D Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:24:42 Nooo no no. I want no part of your crazy european driving. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:27:02 Kaylana, deal with it. it's been scientifically proven that women are worse driver than men. They lack senses of finding direction and their mind tend to be treat car as "others" whereas men treat car as "self". All this psychological differences between men and women contribute the driving style, and overall women comes out to be worse when it comes to driving. Admit it, women suck at driving. Don't point out the exceptions. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:31:13 Mmhm, source? poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:37:44 telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/ news/2008/01/03/ngay103.xml From the article: "Women and gay men are likely to be the worst drivers, a new study has shown. Research has revealed that both perform poorly in tasks involving navigation and spatial awareness when compared to heterosexual men. Psychologists at Queen Mary, University of London, who conducted the study, believe the findings mean driving in a strange environment would be more difficult for gay men and women than for straight male motorists. Both tend to rely on local landmarks to get around, and are also slower to take in spatial information." "The results back earlier studies supporting the stereotype that women are poor navigators. Although women are more successful in tests requiring them to remember the position of objects, men consistently do better in tasks requiring navigation and uncovering hidden objects." ""Women are going to take a lot longer to reach their destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns etc. They need more rich local landmarks." Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:38:21 Odd, I'm having a very hard time finding this scientifically proven fact that women are worse drivers. http://www.webmd.com/news/20051109/are-women-better-drivers "This study demonstrates that tasks requiring mental flexibility favor women over men, an area previously not considered to elicit strong sex differences," Fox says in a news release. "Driving could be a good example of how this is applied to everyday life." http://blo...n_better_drivers_than_men.html Insurance company AAMi is claiming that women are better drivers than men, based on a survey it has published today. The findings are based upon a national telephone survey of 2384 licensed drivers conducted in most States and Territories in 2006, as well as an analysis of AAMI claims data. AAMI spokesperson Geoff Hughes says the results mean it's no surprise that men's motoring insurance claims typically cost 20 per cent more than women's. “Our claims data shows that men’s crashes tend to be more serious than women’s – they are more likely to be involved in head-on collisions, roll-overs and loss-of-control crashes, as well as crashes involving pedestrians, cyclists and animals. “Conversely, women are more likely to collide with stationary objects or reverse into other cars. http://www...r_drivers_than_women/artid/259 So… let's see what the statistics have to say about drivers, in terms of males vs. females. Figures compiled by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) show that more men than women die each year in motor vehicle crashes, figures that drew explanatory comments from various insurance industry observers such as Russ Rader of IIHS, in Arlington, Va., and Tully Lehman, of the Insurance Information Network of California (IINC). "Men typically drive more miles than women and engage more often in risky driving practices including not using a safety belt… and speeding," according to Rader, spokesman for IIHS, in Arlington, Va. "This is due to the fact that men typically drive more miles and exhibit often risky driving practices such as driving while intoxicated, not wearing a seatbelt and speeding," said Lehman. http://www...s-The-Better-DriverWomen!.aspx (Humerous video on exceptional male drivers.) EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:40:26 "Mmhm, source?" if i find a source coming out of Saudi Arabia will it count? ;) Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:40:46 telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/ news/2008/01/03/ngay103.xml This link doesn't lead me to that article, and the statement is wrong anyway. Poor navigational skills does not equate to bad driving, and that is the only thing that the study has shown. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:42:45 ""Women are going to take a lot longer to reach their destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns etc. They need more rich local landmarks." Taking longer to reach destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns all = more retarded when it comes to driving. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:43:16 Anyway I just wanted to see if you were stupid enough to actually try and provide proof. And you didn't disappoint. Men and women have somewhat different driving styles (though those differences are decreasing over time, if you looked at some of those studies), but just because their bad habits are different, that doesn't make one less able to drive than the other. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:43:30 Try this link" http://www...n-are-%27worst-drivers%27.html poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:44:53 so all along you call me stupid for not backing up what I say, and now I back it up you call me stupid for providing sources? Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:45:45 "Taking longer to reach destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns all = more retarded when it comes to driving." Because taking longer is so much worse than dying a horrible horrible death before ever reaching that destination. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:48:04 "so all along you call me stupid for not backing up what I say, and now I back it up you call me stupid for providing sources?" I didn't say you were stupid for not backing up what you had to say. Comprehension has never been your strongest suit. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:48:51 kaylana, dying horrible death isn't the only indication of horrible driving. Women may take be safer because they are so horrible at driving that they do everything so freaking slowly (like pulling their cars out from parking lot) and frustrate every single fucking person around her. Driving fuking 30 mph cuz she cant drive better when driving on speed limit, thats horrible driving. EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:52:02 and driving 60 in the fast lane. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:52:28 Kaylana, i bet you drive like granma. You are probably one of those "I abide to laws" that drive EXACTLY at 65mph in highway first lane when all other cars go at 85mph. Well good job but to others it's just fucking annoying. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:54:45 If the person in the mobile weapon ahead, behind, or around me isn't skilled enough to drive at high speeds, I'd rather they be achingly careful. And poor navigational skills in unfamiliar areas is an entirely different issue from the actual ability to drive. But I don't put a lot of credence into that article that cannot be accessed anyway, since that is UK specific and not USA, and the geographical area in which women drive regularly is extremely limited in the UK, while women in the USA are far more likely to find themselves navigating unfamiliar areas all of their lives. And, besides that, those sorts of differences are decreasing. But it's all moot since it's a stupid thing to try and prove. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:57:03 " I don't put a lot of credence into that article that cannot be accessed anyway" I posted up a working link. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:57:30 As a matter of fact, I have a horrible habit of aggressive driving. I tone it down when I have other people in the car. Kyra can confirm this...after she hitched a ride with me through Dallas, I asked her if I was making her nervous since she turned 3 shades of white (a real trick for an Italian). Plus in Texas, cops don't pull you over unless you're going more than 10mph over the speed limit...so I pretty much consider that the speed limit. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:58:04 The link doesn't lead me to your article. Just leads me to the index site. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:58:17 well I never considered you much of a woman so that's not surprising. SStrickland Member Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 13:58:34 Poison- "you're probably.."-ies are for fucktards. Especially when they're directed toward such a fine creature like Kaylana. STFU mang. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:59:08 http://www...n-are-%27worst-drivers%27.html This link? I just tried it and it led me to the article fine. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 14:00:46 No SStrickland. Kaylana's being absurd here. She asked me to post up a study, I did, and now she says it's not credible enough source and completely reject my idea. she's not a fine creature. sorry. SStrickland Member Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 14:03:28 Your sexism toward women is the equivalent of the bulk of UGTs bigotry toward your being Asian. Its just stupid is what it is. And no, Kaylana is damn fine. You'll learn what a real woman is when you finally feel the caress of one ;) Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:04:24 Ah that's not the link you originally posted. And I am definitely not the typical woman driver, so I should never be considered the norm. I am rather mannish. But nothing that you have stated makes women worse drivers. The ability to navigate is a seperate skill. Plus, this difference is only notable in new environments, and the study was done in the UK where these results would make sense considering their lifestyles and driving distances. Random UGTer Member Total Posts: 6 Mon Sep 08 14:04:24 interesting comment on that article. This research was done in the biology department at London's Queen Mary University. It's not "social science". It was about gender differences in spatial awareness, not driving. And it says people are "different", not "worse". Please don't insult scientists because a Telegraph journalist decided to put some spin on the story. The original (un-spun) report is at http://www.sbcs.qmul.ac.uk/news/index.shtml It's the one titled January 2008 - Gender differences in spatial navigation. Has nothing to do with driving specifically. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 14:04:26 you make it sound as if you actually caressed Kaylana before. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:06:24 I actually rejected the premise of the article. Since the premise of the article is that women and gay men are worse drivers, but the study itself has very little to do with actual driving, I can conclude that the premise is flawed. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 14:06:46 "The ability to navigate is a seperate skill." Navigation skill and driving skill are all related. You are lost in one city. You become desperate as you try to find your way. You start making errors, start ignoring lights, giving no signals, etc. All related. Still Well Member Total Posts: 62 Mon Sep 08 14:08:05 "You are lost in one city. You become desperate as you try to find your way. You start making errors, start ignoring lights, giving no signals, etc. " So your saying men react better than women to pressure? SStrickland Member Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 14:08:10 How could you establish that summation? Reread what I wrote. I make it sound like I've felt the caress of a woman, not necessarily Kaylana. Quit while you're behind, Poison. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:09:43 "Navigation skill and driving skill are all related." Only in the relationship that while you are doing one, you are often doing the other at the same time. The ability to drive a car is a different skill than navigating a direction. "You are lost in one city. You become desperate as you try to find your way. You start making errors, start ignoring lights, giving no signals, etc." Slippery slope fallacy. Getting lost does not necessarily lead to these things. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:11:18 Besides, as I've already said, the point is moot. Pointless to argue. I'd rather someone who is unsure of their driving skills to slow down and be careful (and frustrating all the Poisons behind them) then to be aggressive and make stupid mistakes out of anger and fear and end up killing themselves or someone else. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:13:37 Now if she's driving 20mph under the speed limit because she's applying her mascara, feel free to flip her the bird an extra time for me. SStrickland Member Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 14:16:42 Sorry Poison, you lost. I was rooting for you and wanted to join your "cause".... You just made it impossible for me :/ Next time though. Nobody Member Total Posts: 36 Mon Sep 08 14:27:52 Actually in my experience as a cyclist I have been hit more times by male drivers than female drivers. Two thirds of the time they don't even bother to stop. I get hit about once a month and have been a cyclist for about three years. And I don't tend to be a reckless biker. I actually follow all the laws stopping at stop signs and red lights as any vehicle should. I have been hit because a driver ignored my right of way (in PA bikes get the same right of way as cars) I have been hit as people drove past me, I have also been hit because I made a mistake. But never the less women have not hit me as much and tend to stop more often when they do. So based on my experience alone I would say women drivers are actually the better drivers. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:30:44 I sympathize with you nobody. We have the same laws in Texas, and it's illegal for cyclists to be on the sidewalks because of pedestrians, but it's too dangerous to ride on the street because motorists don't respect your bike as a vehicle. Nobody Member Total Posts: 36 Mon Sep 08 14:46:38 The saddest part is that according to Money Magazine State College is a very bike friendly town. Poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 15:00:33 "And no, Kaylana is damn fine. You'll learn what a real woman is when you finally feel the caress of one ;)" Here, maybe it was a mistake, you make it sound as you know what a real woman is once you caress the woman. You know, like test driving. You know what car is good for you only after test drive it. So it was too obvious of an assumption that you caressed Kaylana before to know whether she is a real woman or not. Kaylana: When we are speaking of driving, it's pretty ignorant to use only the accident rate as the measure of "driving skill". Just like how murder rate is not the only measure for crime. There are all these minor details in driving (that you tend to not pay attention to) that sums up overall package of driving. That includes being aware of what's going on in the surroundings and know what to do when you are in tough driving situation, and even knowing when it's alright (or even necessary) to break a very minor "law" (like turning right on red) to make things easy. As much as driving requires law knowledge it requires just as much common sense (and driving 40 mph in 60 mph road which annoys and slows down the traffic in the fast lane is not a good showing of common sense). In such measures, I, and the rest of World (I have the survey of people's perspective one "worst drivers) put women as one of the worst group of people. SStrickland Member Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 15:13:52 "Here, maybe it was a mistake, you make it sound as you know what a real woman is once you caress the woman. You know, like test driving. You know what car is good for you only after test drive it. So it was too obvious of an assumption that you caressed Kaylana before to know whether she is a real woman or not. " What the fuck does getting some tang have to do with test driving a car? Your babble about shitty drivers has nothing to do with getting laid or Kaylana being hot dude. The fact that she is has nothing to do with her driving. How could you have twisted that so far out of context? Damn man. Allow me to reiterate two separate things- 1-Dont be a sexist pig. It's the same as when all the UGT flamerods call you chink or gook. Its child childish and imbecilic. 2-Dont belittle (such a fine creature like) Kaylana for being a woman or make assumptions about her driving ability when you've never met her and dont even know her. SStrickland Member Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 15:14:43 Poison I think you have more hours in your day than you need. QAG Member Total Posts: 42 Mon Sep 08 15:15:24 Hmmm... intresting every time i find an idiot driver its generaly a man. Ehcks Member Total Posts: 144 Mon Sep 08 15:39:06 I hate all drivers. I don't feel safe unless the nearest car is a mile behind me in the opposite lanes. EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 15:47:01 "motorists don't respect your bike as a vehicle." ill respect a bike as much as a car - until it slows traffic down (seriously, gtfo my left hand turn lane. crosswalk is right over there). then, fuck you. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 15:48:10 Good thing I didn't just use the accident rate, then...that's just the most tangible item of proof, one statistic that all studies universally agree on. Nobody Member Total Posts: 36 Mon Sep 08 16:06:44 EP I'm smart enough to ride on roads that I can keep up with traffic. And I will sit in your turning lane when I have to fucking turn. I really don't need a ticket from a cop that wants to meet his god damn quota. But I assure you I don't slow down traffic. I have been clocked on my street bike going 37 mph on the level, and when a majority of the roads I ride are 25mph limit. Poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 16:26:27 ""Here, maybe it was a mistake, you make it sound as you know what a real woman is once you caress the woman. You know, like test driving. You know what car is good for you only after test drive it. So it was too obvious of an assumption that you caressed Kaylana before to know whether she is a real woman or not. " What the fuck does getting some tang have to do with test driving a car? Your babble about shitty drivers has nothing to do with getting laid or Kaylana being hot dude. The fact that she is has nothing to do with her driving. How could you have twisted that so far out of context? Damn man. " Dude I'm not talking about that. I was talking about how you said Kaylana is a fine creature (which itself has nothing to do with the topic at hand). I hate repeating what I've said but just to clarify incase you get the wrong understanding of what I meant: Remember how you said "Especially when they're directed toward such a fine creature like Kaylana," which I disagreed to, and then you responded, "Kaylana is damn fine. You'll learn what a real woman is when you finally feel the caress of one". I don't even know why you said the latter part. But for me, although now I know you didn't mean what I thought you meant, what you said really came off as if you've already caressed Kaylana to be able to know how "fine of a creature" she is. But let's not get into any argument regarding this irrelevant matter anymore. Poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 16:30:18 "Good thing I didn't just use the accident rate, then" "Our claims data shows that men’s crashes tend to be more serious than women’s – they are more likely to be involved in head-on collisions, roll-overs and loss-of-control crashes, as well as crashes involving pedestrians, cyclists and animals." Two articles of which you used as resources were all related to accident rate: "Figures compiled by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) show that more men than women die each year in motor vehicle crashes, figures that drew explanatory comments from various insurance industry observers such as Russ Rader of IIHS, in Arlington, Va., and Tully Lehman, of the Insurance Information Network of California (IINC). " This one is debatable: "Men typically drive more miles than women and engage more often in risky driving practices including not using a safety belt… and speeding," according to Rader, spokesman for IIHS, in Arlington, Va. "This is due to the fact that men typically drive more miles and exhibit often risky driving practices such as driving while intoxicated, not wearing a seatbelt and speeding," said Lehman. But Your primary argument for saying men is worse driver was the accident rate you brought up. And I think there're more than accident rates that measure more accurately what a "better driving" is. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:39:05 Kaylana: When we are speaking of driving, it's pretty ignorant to use only the accident rate as the measure of "driving skill". But Your primary argument for saying men is worse driver was the accident rate you brought up. --- Primary isn't the same as only, my dear, and you conveniently forgot to mention my first article. "This study demonstrates that tasks requiring mental flexibility favor women over men, an area previously not considered to elicit strong sex differences," Fox says in a news release. "Driving could be a good example of how this is applied to everyday life." Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:41:03 And in point of fact, I do not think nor am I arguing that men are worse drivers. What I'm doing, here, is providing sources that contradict your claims, with which I disagree with. I will say men and women have somewhat different natures in driving, at this point in time (I do not think that will always be the case), but I would not be so bold as to say one gender is better than the other. We each have strengths in different areas that apply to driving. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:43:18 You don't seem to get that all I'm against here is your blind antagonistic misogynism. Wrath of Orion Member Total Posts: 83 Mon Sep 08 16:45:32 He's just trolling like a little bitch. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:46:57 I'm convinced more and more that it's not trolling, just an extremely stunted view of life. TalonsWordsOfWisdom Member Total Posts: 23 Mon Sep 08 16:55:29 You are correct Kaylana Wrath of Orion Member Total Posts: 83 Mon Sep 08 17:14:38 Nah, this sounds more like Poison PMS'ing and deciding to troll the fem-nazis here. I definitely agree most of his idiocy is genuine, but this one doesn't fit. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 17:22:23 Well that does make sense, you could be right. EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 17:34:37 so you concede that you are a femanazi? sfw: http://www...roppings/werewolfwomen1qo7.jpg Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 17:39:59 Sure, but I'm not THAT ugly. gir Member Total Posts: 130 Mon Sep 08 17:40:42 Isn't Poison a girl? poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 17:41:05 Kaylana, I like you. But you are wrong. SStrickland Member Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 17:44:34 "Sure, but I'm not THAT ugly. " Kaylana is the sexiest of UGT *AND* UP! EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 17:47:51 O SHIT, kay. that reminds me of something i gotta tell you (academic). but right now im about to go to bed so dont bother hopping on IM... later. Ubes JAC Member Total Posts: 379 Mon Sep 08 18:27:18 Hahhaah! I was gonna point out the asian thing too... Damn EP... Let The Boy Try Member Total Posts: 57 Mon Sep 08 18:31:47 Damn Asian Drivers. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 18:33:14 Asians invented drifting. incognito Member Total Posts: 4 Mon Sep 08 18:33:45 Asians invented homosexuality. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 18:34:07 source? incognito Member Total Posts: 4 Mon Sep 08 18:34:25 yo momma poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 18:38:01 incorrect. Real Fred Member Total Posts: 1596 Mon Sep 08 18:43:33 " and it's not legal in all states to make a right turn at a red light. " Bullshit. Poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 18:44:40 "" and it's not legal in all states to make a right turn at a red light. " Bullshit. " First time agreeing with your RF. I turn right at red all the time. Even when there's a cop right behind me, i don't give a fuck and just turn right when there are no income cars. Cops don't do jack shit. If the law enforcement doesn't mind, then fuck law. Law without enforcement isn't a law. Your Name: Your Password: Your Message:
ample.parking rank	Tue Sep 09 04:34:06 2008 Welcome to the Utopia Forums! The current time is Mon Sep 08 21:33:47 2008 , You have 53 new messages. Utopia Talk / General Talk / Fucking tired of woman drivers poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 11:53:42 So I was driving my way to work (I was already 30 minutes behind schedule) down on highway drinking coffee to wake myself up from sleep. Left lane, cruising down at 60mph, until I approached this car turtling down the lane at 40 something mph. Tried to switch lane but there were cars coming so I had no choice but to tail this moron car behind... But this continued on for a while until I got really tired and started pushing my way into the car. The car eventually moved to the center lane, and so I quickly passed by and curious to see who the moron was I checked the window, and to my surprise, I saw a woman, putting on make-up and her left hand was closed except the middle finger, pointing toward me. So I got flipped off, big deal, she's a bitch, I ignored. Later on, when I was already 10 minutes late to work, there was another car going at 20 mph in highway when everyone else was going at 40mph, so I switched lane immediately and tried to pass by her quickly, until the car just forced its way into (it was congested) front of me, which ALMOST resulted in collision. I passed by the car eventually, a WOMAN. Ignored. So I was almost at work, and it was a local road, intersection turning right, there were no cars at sight, but the car was waiting forever till light turned green. I was like "wtf moron just go you're turning right". Eventually teh light turned green, and the car finally moved. I passed by teh car, A WOMAN. FUCK!!! Women should just not drive. They all sux and their personality just aren't fit to be a good driver. They are too soft and selfish in nature, dont want to take responsibilities, and that's why something like today happened. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 413 Mon Sep 08 12:14:14 tldr Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 12:49:50 This post is full of disgusting misogynism. You are more likely to run into women during this time of day than men because there are more housewives than house husbands. In the last woman's defense, did you check the state of her license plate? I run into that quite a bit since CNN decided to broadcast how great the Texas economy is compared to the rest of the nation, and it's not legal in all states to make a right turn at a red light. With that said, I also do not care for people who get easily distracted in a car, which tends to be women because women are more likely to try and multitask. But equally irritating are the men who are overly aggressive, taking stupid risks and using their vehicles in a threatening manner simply because they're annoyed...they also are less likely to allow a vehicle over into their lane which gets particularly frustrating when you're just trying to exit. And somewhat related, did you hear about the study done on aggressive driving and road rage? Apparently people who tended to decorate their vehicle, either through bumper stickers or custom paint jobs or racing stripes or personalized license plates (or whatever whatever) tended to be far more aggressive on the road, taking on the attitude that this is my personal space and how dare you get in the way of it. While those who don't tend to decorate their vehicles view the road as a public place, and the actions of stupid drivers don't get under their skin quite so much. EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 12:52:25 "Fucking tired of woman drivers" says the fucking asian?! EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 12:52:50 (yeah, who can resist the urge to fight sexism with racism? :) Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:01:03 I'm ashamed to admit I laughed. EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:01:08 k, read your post. "on highway... Left lane, cruising down at 60mph" fucking PROOF. gtfo the big boy lane. goddamn typical asian. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:10:53 Earthpig, come to Los Angeles, drive I405 at 8 in the morning, and try to go beyond 60mph. I dont' live in Idaho or equally uncivilized place where cows outnumber human so maybe this concept of rush hour is foreign to you. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:11:51 Earthpig doesn't discriminate with his prejudices, he's got an "ist" for everything. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:14:10 8 you say? Hm, I thought you were 2 hours behind. Darn daylight savings time always throws me off. Got to calm down Poison, stress kills. EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:18:16 hey now kay, be fair. not a single word of mine ended in "ist." repel Member Total Posts: 82 Mon Sep 08 13:18:31 do you people wanna come over to the netherlands and drive here during the top hours. lots of fun over here :D Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:24:42 Nooo no no. I want no part of your crazy european driving. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:27:02 Kaylana, deal with it. it's been scientifically proven that women are worse driver than men. They lack senses of finding direction and their mind tend to be treat car as "others" whereas men treat car as "self". All this psychological differences between men and women contribute the driving style, and overall women comes out to be worse when it comes to driving. Admit it, women suck at driving. Don't point out the exceptions. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:31:13 Mmhm, source? poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:37:44 telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/ news/2008/01/03/ngay103.xml From the article: "Women and gay men are likely to be the worst drivers, a new study has shown. Research has revealed that both perform poorly in tasks involving navigation and spatial awareness when compared to heterosexual men. Psychologists at Queen Mary, University of London, who conducted the study, believe the findings mean driving in a strange environment would be more difficult for gay men and women than for straight male motorists. Both tend to rely on local landmarks to get around, and are also slower to take in spatial information." "The results back earlier studies supporting the stereotype that women are poor navigators. Although women are more successful in tests requiring them to remember the position of objects, men consistently do better in tasks requiring navigation and uncovering hidden objects." ""Women are going to take a lot longer to reach their destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns etc. They need more rich local landmarks." Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:38:21 Odd, I'm having a very hard time finding this scientifically proven fact that women are worse drivers. http://www.webmd.com/news/20051109/are-women-better-drivers "This study demonstrates that tasks requiring mental flexibility favor women over men, an area previously not considered to elicit strong sex differences," Fox says in a news release. "Driving could be a good example of how this is applied to everyday life." http://blo...n_better_drivers_than_men.html Insurance company AAMi is claiming that women are better drivers than men, based on a survey it has published today. The findings are based upon a national telephone survey of 2384 licensed drivers conducted in most States and Territories in 2006, as well as an analysis of AAMI claims data. AAMI spokesperson Geoff Hughes says the results mean it's no surprise that men's motoring insurance claims typically cost 20 per cent more than women's. “Our claims data shows that men’s crashes tend to be more serious than women’s – they are more likely to be involved in head-on collisions, roll-overs and loss-of-control crashes, as well as crashes involving pedestrians, cyclists and animals. “Conversely, women are more likely to collide with stationary objects or reverse into other cars. http://www...r_drivers_than_women/artid/259 So… let's see what the statistics have to say about drivers, in terms of males vs. females. Figures compiled by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) show that more men than women die each year in motor vehicle crashes, figures that drew explanatory comments from various insurance industry observers such as Russ Rader of IIHS, in Arlington, Va., and Tully Lehman, of the Insurance Information Network of California (IINC). "Men typically drive more miles than women and engage more often in risky driving practices including not using a safety belt… and speeding," according to Rader, spokesman for IIHS, in Arlington, Va. "This is due to the fact that men typically drive more miles and exhibit often risky driving practices such as driving while intoxicated, not wearing a seatbelt and speeding," said Lehman. http://www...s-The-Better-DriverWomen!.aspx (Humerous video on exceptional male drivers.) EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:40:26 "Mmhm, source?" if i find a source coming out of Saudi Arabia will it count? ;) Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:40:46 telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/ news/2008/01/03/ngay103.xml This link doesn't lead me to that article, and the statement is wrong anyway. Poor navigational skills does not equate to bad driving, and that is the only thing that the study has shown. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:42:45 ""Women are going to take a lot longer to reach their destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns etc. They need more rich local landmarks." Taking longer to reach destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns all = more retarded when it comes to driving. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:43:16 Anyway I just wanted to see if you were stupid enough to actually try and provide proof. And you didn't disappoint. Men and women have somewhat different driving styles (though those differences are decreasing over time, if you looked at some of those studies), but just because their bad habits are different, that doesn't make one less able to drive than the other. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:43:30 Try this link" http://www...n-are-%27worst-drivers%27.html poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:44:53 so all along you call me stupid for not backing up what I say, and now I back it up you call me stupid for providing sources? Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:45:45 "Taking longer to reach destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns all = more retarded when it comes to driving." Because taking longer is so much worse than dying a horrible horrible death before ever reaching that destination. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:48:04 "so all along you call me stupid for not backing up what I say, and now I back it up you call me stupid for providing sources?" I didn't say you were stupid for not backing up what you had to say. Comprehension has never been your strongest suit. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:48:51 kaylana, dying horrible death isn't the only indication of horrible driving. Women may take be safer because they are so horrible at driving that they do everything so freaking slowly (like pulling their cars out from parking lot) and frustrate every single fucking person around her. Driving fuking 30 mph cuz she cant drive better when driving on speed limit, thats horrible driving. EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:52:02 and driving 60 in the fast lane. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:52:28 Kaylana, i bet you drive like granma. You are probably one of those "I abide to laws" that drive EXACTLY at 65mph in highway first lane when all other cars go at 85mph. Well good job but to others it's just fucking annoying. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:54:45 If the person in the mobile weapon ahead, behind, or around me isn't skilled enough to drive at high speeds, I'd rather they be achingly careful. And poor navigational skills in unfamiliar areas is an entirely different issue from the actual ability to drive. But I don't put a lot of credence into that article that cannot be accessed anyway, since that is UK specific and not USA, and the geographical area in which women drive regularly is extremely limited in the UK, while women in the USA are far more likely to find themselves navigating unfamiliar areas all of their lives. And, besides that, those sorts of differences are decreasing. But it's all moot since it's a stupid thing to try and prove. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:57:03 " I don't put a lot of credence into that article that cannot be accessed anyway" I posted up a working link. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:57:30 As a matter of fact, I have a horrible habit of aggressive driving. I tone it down when I have other people in the car. Kyra can confirm this...after she hitched a ride with me through Dallas, I asked her if I was making her nervous since she turned 3 shades of white (a real trick for an Italian). Plus in Texas, cops don't pull you over unless you're going more than 10mph over the speed limit...so I pretty much consider that the speed limit. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:58:04 The link doesn't lead me to your article. Just leads me to the index site. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:58:17 well I never considered you much of a woman so that's not surprising. SStrickland Member Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 13:58:34 Poison- "you're probably.."-ies are for fucktards. Especially when they're directed toward such a fine creature like Kaylana. STFU mang. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:59:08 http://www...n-are-%27worst-drivers%27.html This link? I just tried it and it led me to the article fine. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 14:00:46 No SStrickland. Kaylana's being absurd here. She asked me to post up a study, I did, and now she says it's not credible enough source and completely reject my idea. she's not a fine creature. sorry. SStrickland Member Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 14:03:28 Your sexism toward women is the equivalent of the bulk of UGTs bigotry toward your being Asian. Its just stupid is what it is. And no, Kaylana is damn fine. You'll learn what a real woman is when you finally feel the caress of one ;) Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:04:24 Ah that's not the link you originally posted. And I am definitely not the typical woman driver, so I should never be considered the norm. I am rather mannish. But nothing that you have stated makes women worse drivers. The ability to navigate is a seperate skill. Plus, this difference is only notable in new environments, and the study was done in the UK where these results would make sense considering their lifestyles and driving distances. Random UGTer Member Total Posts: 6 Mon Sep 08 14:04:24 interesting comment on that article. This research was done in the biology department at London's Queen Mary University. It's not "social science". It was about gender differences in spatial awareness, not driving. And it says people are "different", not "worse". Please don't insult scientists because a Telegraph journalist decided to put some spin on the story. The original (un-spun) report is at http://www.sbcs.qmul.ac.uk/news/index.shtml It's the one titled January 2008 - Gender differences in spatial navigation. Has nothing to do with driving specifically. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 14:04:26 you make it sound as if you actually caressed Kaylana before. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:06:24 I actually rejected the premise of the article. Since the premise of the article is that women and gay men are worse drivers, but the study itself has very little to do with actual driving, I can conclude that the premise is flawed. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 14:06:46 "The ability to navigate is a seperate skill." Navigation skill and driving skill are all related. You are lost in one city. You become desperate as you try to find your way. You start making errors, start ignoring lights, giving no signals, etc. All related. Still Well Member Total Posts: 62 Mon Sep 08 14:08:05 "You are lost in one city. You become desperate as you try to find your way. You start making errors, start ignoring lights, giving no signals, etc. " So your saying men react better than women to pressure? SStrickland Member Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 14:08:10 How could you establish that summation? Reread what I wrote. I make it sound like I've felt the caress of a woman, not necessarily Kaylana. Quit while you're behind, Poison. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:09:43 "Navigation skill and driving skill are all related." Only in the relationship that while you are doing one, you are often doing the other at the same time. The ability to drive a car is a different skill than navigating a direction. "You are lost in one city. You become desperate as you try to find your way. You start making errors, start ignoring lights, giving no signals, etc." Slippery slope fallacy. Getting lost does not necessarily lead to these things. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:11:18 Besides, as I've already said, the point is moot. Pointless to argue. I'd rather someone who is unsure of their driving skills to slow down and be careful (and frustrating all the Poisons behind them) then to be aggressive and make stupid mistakes out of anger and fear and end up killing themselves or someone else. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:13:37 Now if she's driving 20mph under the speed limit because she's applying her mascara, feel free to flip her the bird an extra time for me. SStrickland Member Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 14:16:42 Sorry Poison, you lost. I was rooting for you and wanted to join your "cause".... You just made it impossible for me :/ Next time though. Nobody Member Total Posts: 36 Mon Sep 08 14:27:52 Actually in my experience as a cyclist I have been hit more times by male drivers than female drivers. Two thirds of the time they don't even bother to stop. I get hit about once a month and have been a cyclist for about three years. And I don't tend to be a reckless biker. I actually follow all the laws stopping at stop signs and red lights as any vehicle should. I have been hit because a driver ignored my right of way (in PA bikes get the same right of way as cars) I have been hit as people drove past me, I have also been hit because I made a mistake. But never the less women have not hit me as much and tend to stop more often when they do. So based on my experience alone I would say women drivers are actually the better drivers. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:30:44 I sympathize with you nobody. We have the same laws in Texas, and it's illegal for cyclists to be on the sidewalks because of pedestrians, but it's too dangerous to ride on the street because motorists don't respect your bike as a vehicle. Nobody Member Total Posts: 36 Mon Sep 08 14:46:38 The saddest part is that according to Money Magazine State College is a very bike friendly town. Poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 15:00:33 "And no, Kaylana is damn fine. You'll learn what a real woman is when you finally feel the caress of one ;)" Here, maybe it was a mistake, you make it sound as you know what a real woman is once you caress the woman. You know, like test driving. You know what car is good for you only after test drive it. So it was too obvious of an assumption that you caressed Kaylana before to know whether she is a real woman or not. Kaylana: When we are speaking of driving, it's pretty ignorant to use only the accident rate as the measure of "driving skill". Just like how murder rate is not the only measure for crime. There are all these minor details in driving (that you tend to not pay attention to) that sums up overall package of driving. That includes being aware of what's going on in the surroundings and know what to do when you are in tough driving situation, and even knowing when it's alright (or even necessary) to break a very minor "law" (like turning right on red) to make things easy. As much as driving requires law knowledge it requires just as much common sense (and driving 40 mph in 60 mph road which annoys and slows down the traffic in the fast lane is not a good showing of common sense). In such measures, I, and the rest of World (I have the survey of people's perspective one "worst drivers) put women as one of the worst group of people. SStrickland Member Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 15:13:52 "Here, maybe it was a mistake, you make it sound as you know what a real woman is once you caress the woman. You know, like test driving. You know what car is good for you only after test drive it. So it was too obvious of an assumption that you caressed Kaylana before to know whether she is a real woman or not. " What the fuck does getting some tang have to do with test driving a car? Your babble about shitty drivers has nothing to do with getting laid or Kaylana being hot dude. The fact that she is has nothing to do with her driving. How could you have twisted that so far out of context? Damn man. Allow me to reiterate two separate things- 1-Dont be a sexist pig. It's the same as when all the UGT flamerods call you chink or gook. Its child childish and imbecilic. 2-Dont belittle (such a fine creature like) Kaylana for being a woman or make assumptions about her driving ability when you've never met her and dont even know her. SStrickland Member Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 15:14:43 Poison I think you have more hours in your day than you need. QAG Member Total Posts: 42 Mon Sep 08 15:15:24 Hmmm... intresting every time i find an idiot driver its generaly a man. Ehcks Member Total Posts: 144 Mon Sep 08 15:39:06 I hate all drivers. I don't feel safe unless the nearest car is a mile behind me in the opposite lanes. EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 15:47:01 "motorists don't respect your bike as a vehicle." ill respect a bike as much as a car - until it slows traffic down (seriously, gtfo my left hand turn lane. crosswalk is right over there). then, fuck you. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 15:48:10 Good thing I didn't just use the accident rate, then...that's just the most tangible item of proof, one statistic that all studies universally agree on. Nobody Member Total Posts: 36 Mon Sep 08 16:06:44 EP I'm smart enough to ride on roads that I can keep up with traffic. And I will sit in your turning lane when I have to fucking turn. I really don't need a ticket from a cop that wants to meet his god damn quota. But I assure you I don't slow down traffic. I have been clocked on my street bike going 37 mph on the level, and when a majority of the roads I ride are 25mph limit. Poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 16:26:27 ""Here, maybe it was a mistake, you make it sound as you know what a real woman is once you caress the woman. You know, like test driving. You know what car is good for you only after test drive it. So it was too obvious of an assumption that you caressed Kaylana before to know whether she is a real woman or not. " What the fuck does getting some tang have to do with test driving a car? Your babble about shitty drivers has nothing to do with getting laid or Kaylana being hot dude. The fact that she is has nothing to do with her driving. How could you have twisted that so far out of context? Damn man. " Dude I'm not talking about that. I was talking about how you said Kaylana is a fine creature (which itself has nothing to do with the topic at hand). I hate repeating what I've said but just to clarify incase you get the wrong understanding of what I meant: Remember how you said "Especially when they're directed toward such a fine creature like Kaylana," which I disagreed to, and then you responded, "Kaylana is damn fine. You'll learn what a real woman is when you finally feel the caress of one". I don't even know why you said the latter part. But for me, although now I know you didn't mean what I thought you meant, what you said really came off as if you've already caressed Kaylana to be able to know how "fine of a creature" she is. But let's not get into any argument regarding this irrelevant matter anymore. Poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 16:30:18 "Good thing I didn't just use the accident rate, then" "Our claims data shows that men’s crashes tend to be more serious than women’s – they are more likely to be involved in head-on collisions, roll-overs and loss-of-control crashes, as well as crashes involving pedestrians, cyclists and animals." Two articles of which you used as resources were all related to accident rate: "Figures compiled by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) show that more men than women die each year in motor vehicle crashes, figures that drew explanatory comments from various insurance industry observers such as Russ Rader of IIHS, in Arlington, Va., and Tully Lehman, of the Insurance Information Network of California (IINC). " This one is debatable: "Men typically drive more miles than women and engage more often in risky driving practices including not using a safety belt… and speeding," according to Rader, spokesman for IIHS, in Arlington, Va. "This is due to the fact that men typically drive more miles and exhibit often risky driving practices such as driving while intoxicated, not wearing a seatbelt and speeding," said Lehman. But Your primary argument for saying men is worse driver was the accident rate you brought up. And I think there're more than accident rates that measure more accurately what a "better driving" is. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:39:05 Kaylana: When we are speaking of driving, it's pretty ignorant to use only the accident rate as the measure of "driving skill". But Your primary argument for saying men is worse driver was the accident rate you brought up. --- Primary isn't the same as only, my dear, and you conveniently forgot to mention my first article. "This study demonstrates that tasks requiring mental flexibility favor women over men, an area previously not considered to elicit strong sex differences," Fox says in a news release. "Driving could be a good example of how this is applied to everyday life." Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:41:03 And in point of fact, I do not think nor am I arguing that men are worse drivers. What I'm doing, here, is providing sources that contradict your claims, with which I disagree with. I will say men and women have somewhat different natures in driving, at this point in time (I do not think that will always be the case), but I would not be so bold as to say one gender is better than the other. We each have strengths in different areas that apply to driving. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:43:18 You don't seem to get that all I'm against here is your blind antagonistic misogynism. Wrath of Orion Member Total Posts: 83 Mon Sep 08 16:45:32 He's just trolling like a little bitch. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:46:57 I'm convinced more and more that it's not trolling, just an extremely stunted view of life. TalonsWordsOfWisdom Member Total Posts: 23 Mon Sep 08 16:55:29 You are correct Kaylana Wrath of Orion Member Total Posts: 83 Mon Sep 08 17:14:38 Nah, this sounds more like Poison PMS'ing and deciding to troll the fem-nazis here. I definitely agree most of his idiocy is genuine, but this one doesn't fit. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 17:22:23 Well that does make sense, you could be right. EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 17:34:37 so you concede that you are a femanazi? sfw: http://www...roppings/werewolfwomen1qo7.jpg Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 17:39:59 Sure, but I'm not THAT ugly. gir Member Total Posts: 130 Mon Sep 08 17:40:42 Isn't Poison a girl? poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 17:41:05 Kaylana, I like you. But you are wrong. SStrickland Member Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 17:44:34 "Sure, but I'm not THAT ugly. " Kaylana is the sexiest of UGT *AND* UP! EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 17:47:51 O SHIT, kay. that reminds me of something i gotta tell you (academic). but right now im about to go to bed so dont bother hopping on IM... later. Ubes JAC Member Total Posts: 379 Mon Sep 08 18:27:18 Hahhaah! I was gonna point out the asian thing too... Damn EP... Let The Boy Try Member Total Posts: 57 Mon Sep 08 18:31:47 Damn Asian Drivers. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 18:33:14 Asians invented drifting. incognito Member Total Posts: 4 Mon Sep 08 18:33:45 Asians invented homosexuality. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 18:34:07 source? incognito Member Total Posts: 4 Mon Sep 08 18:34:25 yo momma poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 18:38:01 incorrect. Real Fred Member Total Posts: 1596 Mon Sep 08 18:43:33 " and it's not legal in all states to make a right turn at a red light. " Bullshit. Poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 18:44:40 "" and it's not legal in all states to make a right turn at a red light. " Bullshit. " First time agreeing with your RF. I turn right at red all the time. Even when there's a cop right behind me, i don't give a fuck and just turn right when there are no income cars. Cops don't do jack shit. If the law enforcement doesn't mind, then fuck law. Law without enforcement isn't a law. Your Name: Your Password: Your Message:
ample.parking rank	Tue Sep 09 04:34:07 2008 Welcome to the Utopia Forums! The current time is Mon Sep 08 21:33:47 2008 , You have 53 new messages. Utopia Talk / General Talk / Fucking tired of woman drivers poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 11:53:42 So I was driving my way to work (I was already 30 minutes behind schedule) down on highway drinking coffee to wake myself up from sleep. Left lane, cruising down at 60mph, until I approached this car turtling down the lane at 40 something mph. Tried to switch lane but there were cars coming so I had no choice but to tail this moron car behind... But this continued on for a while until I got really tired and started pushing my way into the car. The car eventually moved to the center lane, and so I quickly passed by and curious to see who the moron was I checked the window, and to my surprise, I saw a woman, putting on make-up and her left hand was closed except the middle finger, pointing toward me. So I got flipped off, big deal, she's a bitch, I ignored. Later on, when I was already 10 minutes late to work, there was another car going at 20 mph in highway when everyone else was going at 40mph, so I switched lane immediately and tried to pass by her quickly, until the car just forced its way into (it was congested) front of me, which ALMOST resulted in collision. I passed by the car eventually, a WOMAN. Ignored. So I was almost at work, and it was a local road, intersection turning right, there were no cars at sight, but the car was waiting forever till light turned green. I was like "wtf moron just go you're turning right". Eventually teh light turned green, and the car finally moved. I passed by teh car, A WOMAN. FUCK!!! Women should just not drive. They all sux and their personality just aren't fit to be a good driver. They are too soft and selfish in nature, dont want to take responsibilities, and that's why something like today happened. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 413 Mon Sep 08 12:14:14 tldr Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 12:49:50 This post is full of disgusting misogynism. You are more likely to run into women during this time of day than men because there are more housewives than house husbands. In the last woman's defense, did you check the state of her license plate? I run into that quite a bit since CNN decided to broadcast how great the Texas economy is compared to the rest of the nation, and it's not legal in all states to make a right turn at a red light. With that said, I also do not care for people who get easily distracted in a car, which tends to be women because women are more likely to try and multitask. But equally irritating are the men who are overly aggressive, taking stupid risks and using their vehicles in a threatening manner simply because they're annoyed...they also are less likely to allow a vehicle over into their lane which gets particularly frustrating when you're just trying to exit. And somewhat related, did you hear about the study done on aggressive driving and road rage? Apparently people who tended to decorate their vehicle, either through bumper stickers or custom paint jobs or racing stripes or personalized license plates (or whatever whatever) tended to be far more aggressive on the road, taking on the attitude that this is my personal space and how dare you get in the way of it. While those who don't tend to decorate their vehicles view the road as a public place, and the actions of stupid drivers don't get under their skin quite so much. EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 12:52:25 "Fucking tired of woman drivers" says the fucking asian?! EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 12:52:50 (yeah, who can resist the urge to fight sexism with racism? :) Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:01:03 I'm ashamed to admit I laughed. EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:01:08 k, read your post. "on highway... Left lane, cruising down at 60mph" fucking PROOF. gtfo the big boy lane. goddamn typical asian. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:10:53 Earthpig, come to Los Angeles, drive I405 at 8 in the morning, and try to go beyond 60mph. I dont' live in Idaho or equally uncivilized place where cows outnumber human so maybe this concept of rush hour is foreign to you. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:11:51 Earthpig doesn't discriminate with his prejudices, he's got an "ist" for everything. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:14:10 8 you say? Hm, I thought you were 2 hours behind. Darn daylight savings time always throws me off. Got to calm down Poison, stress kills. EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:18:16 hey now kay, be fair. not a single word of mine ended in "ist." repel Member Total Posts: 82 Mon Sep 08 13:18:31 do you people wanna come over to the netherlands and drive here during the top hours. lots of fun over here :D Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:24:42 Nooo no no. I want no part of your crazy european driving. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:27:02 Kaylana, deal with it. it's been scientifically proven that women are worse driver than men. They lack senses of finding direction and their mind tend to be treat car as "others" whereas men treat car as "self". All this psychological differences between men and women contribute the driving style, and overall women comes out to be worse when it comes to driving. Admit it, women suck at driving. Don't point out the exceptions. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:31:13 Mmhm, source? poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:37:44 telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/ news/2008/01/03/ngay103.xml From the article: "Women and gay men are likely to be the worst drivers, a new study has shown. Research has revealed that both perform poorly in tasks involving navigation and spatial awareness when compared to heterosexual men. Psychologists at Queen Mary, University of London, who conducted the study, believe the findings mean driving in a strange environment would be more difficult for gay men and women than for straight male motorists. Both tend to rely on local landmarks to get around, and are also slower to take in spatial information." "The results back earlier studies supporting the stereotype that women are poor navigators. Although women are more successful in tests requiring them to remember the position of objects, men consistently do better in tasks requiring navigation and uncovering hidden objects." ""Women are going to take a lot longer to reach their destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns etc. They need more rich local landmarks." Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:38:21 Odd, I'm having a very hard time finding this scientifically proven fact that women are worse drivers. http://www.webmd.com/news/20051109/are-women-better-drivers "This study demonstrates that tasks requiring mental flexibility favor women over men, an area previously not considered to elicit strong sex differences," Fox says in a news release. "Driving could be a good example of how this is applied to everyday life." http://blo...n_better_drivers_than_men.html Insurance company AAMi is claiming that women are better drivers than men, based on a survey it has published today. The findings are based upon a national telephone survey of 2384 licensed drivers conducted in most States and Territories in 2006, as well as an analysis of AAMI claims data. AAMI spokesperson Geoff Hughes says the results mean it's no surprise that men's motoring insurance claims typically cost 20 per cent more than women's. “Our claims data shows that men’s crashes tend to be more serious than women’s – they are more likely to be involved in head-on collisions, roll-overs and loss-of-control crashes, as well as crashes involving pedestrians, cyclists and animals. “Conversely, women are more likely to collide with stationary objects or reverse into other cars. http://www...r_drivers_than_women/artid/259 So… let's see what the statistics have to say about drivers, in terms of males vs. females. Figures compiled by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) show that more men than women die each year in motor vehicle crashes, figures that drew explanatory comments from various insurance industry observers such as Russ Rader of IIHS, in Arlington, Va., and Tully Lehman, of the Insurance Information Network of California (IINC). "Men typically drive more miles than women and engage more often in risky driving practices including not using a safety belt… and speeding," according to Rader, spokesman for IIHS, in Arlington, Va. "This is due to the fact that men typically drive more miles and exhibit often risky driving practices such as driving while intoxicated, not wearing a seatbelt and speeding," said Lehman. http://www...s-The-Better-DriverWomen!.aspx (Humerous video on exceptional male drivers.) EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:40:26 "Mmhm, source?" if i find a source coming out of Saudi Arabia will it count? ;) Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:40:46 telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/ news/2008/01/03/ngay103.xml This link doesn't lead me to that article, and the statement is wrong anyway. Poor navigational skills does not equate to bad driving, and that is the only thing that the study has shown. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:42:45 ""Women are going to take a lot longer to reach their destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns etc. They need more rich local landmarks." Taking longer to reach destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns all = more retarded when it comes to driving. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:43:16 Anyway I just wanted to see if you were stupid enough to actually try and provide proof. And you didn't disappoint. Men and women have somewhat different driving styles (though those differences are decreasing over time, if you looked at some of those studies), but just because their bad habits are different, that doesn't make one less able to drive than the other. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:43:30 Try this link" http://www...n-are-%27worst-drivers%27.html poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:44:53 so all along you call me stupid for not backing up what I say, and now I back it up you call me stupid for providing sources? Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:45:45 "Taking longer to reach destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns all = more retarded when it comes to driving." Because taking longer is so much worse than dying a horrible horrible death before ever reaching that destination. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:48:04 "so all along you call me stupid for not backing up what I say, and now I back it up you call me stupid for providing sources?" I didn't say you were stupid for not backing up what you had to say. Comprehension has never been your strongest suit. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:48:51 kaylana, dying horrible death isn't the only indication of horrible driving. Women may take be safer because they are so horrible at driving that they do everything so freaking slowly (like pulling their cars out from parking lot) and frustrate every single fucking person around her. Driving fuking 30 mph cuz she cant drive better when driving on speed limit, thats horrible driving. EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:52:02 and driving 60 in the fast lane. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:52:28 Kaylana, i bet you drive like granma. You are probably one of those "I abide to laws" that drive EXACTLY at 65mph in highway first lane when all other cars go at 85mph. Well good job but to others it's just fucking annoying. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:54:45 If the person in the mobile weapon ahead, behind, or around me isn't skilled enough to drive at high speeds, I'd rather they be achingly careful. And poor navigational skills in unfamiliar areas is an entirely different issue from the actual ability to drive. But I don't put a lot of credence into that article that cannot be accessed anyway, since that is UK specific and not USA, and the geographical area in which women drive regularly is extremely limited in the UK, while women in the USA are far more likely to find themselves navigating unfamiliar areas all of their lives. And, besides that, those sorts of differences are decreasing. But it's all moot since it's a stupid thing to try and prove. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:57:03 " I don't put a lot of credence into that article that cannot be accessed anyway" I posted up a working link. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:57:30 As a matter of fact, I have a horrible habit of aggressive driving. I tone it down when I have other people in the car. Kyra can confirm this...after she hitched a ride with me through Dallas, I asked her if I was making her nervous since she turned 3 shades of white (a real trick for an Italian). Plus in Texas, cops don't pull you over unless you're going more than 10mph over the speed limit...so I pretty much consider that the speed limit. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:58:04 The link doesn't lead me to your article. Just leads me to the index site. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:58:17 well I never considered you much of a woman so that's not surprising. SStrickland Member Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 13:58:34 Poison- "you're probably.."-ies are for fucktards. Especially when they're directed toward such a fine creature like Kaylana. STFU mang. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:59:08 http://www...n-are-%27worst-drivers%27.html This link? I just tried it and it led me to the article fine. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 14:00:46 No SStrickland. Kaylana's being absurd here. She asked me to post up a study, I did, and now she says it's not credible enough source and completely reject my idea. she's not a fine creature. sorry. SStrickland Member Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 14:03:28 Your sexism toward women is the equivalent of the bulk of UGTs bigotry toward your being Asian. Its just stupid is what it is. And no, Kaylana is damn fine. You'll learn what a real woman is when you finally feel the caress of one ;) Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:04:24 Ah that's not the link you originally posted. And I am definitely not the typical woman driver, so I should never be considered the norm. I am rather mannish. But nothing that you have stated makes women worse drivers. The ability to navigate is a seperate skill. Plus, this difference is only notable in new environments, and the study was done in the UK where these results would make sense considering their lifestyles and driving distances. Random UGTer Member Total Posts: 6 Mon Sep 08 14:04:24 interesting comment on that article. This research was done in the biology department at London's Queen Mary University. It's not "social science". It was about gender differences in spatial awareness, not driving. And it says people are "different", not "worse". Please don't insult scientists because a Telegraph journalist decided to put some spin on the story. The original (un-spun) report is at http://www.sbcs.qmul.ac.uk/news/index.shtml It's the one titled January 2008 - Gender differences in spatial navigation. Has nothing to do with driving specifically. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 14:04:26 you make it sound as if you actually caressed Kaylana before. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:06:24 I actually rejected the premise of the article. Since the premise of the article is that women and gay men are worse drivers, but the study itself has very little to do with actual driving, I can conclude that the premise is flawed. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 14:06:46 "The ability to navigate is a seperate skill." Navigation skill and driving skill are all related. You are lost in one city. You become desperate as you try to find your way. You start making errors, start ignoring lights, giving no signals, etc. All related. Still Well Member Total Posts: 62 Mon Sep 08 14:08:05 "You are lost in one city. You become desperate as you try to find your way. You start making errors, start ignoring lights, giving no signals, etc. " So your saying men react better than women to pressure? SStrickland Member Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 14:08:10 How could you establish that summation? Reread what I wrote. I make it sound like I've felt the caress of a woman, not necessarily Kaylana. Quit while you're behind, Poison. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:09:43 "Navigation skill and driving skill are all related." Only in the relationship that while you are doing one, you are often doing the other at the same time. The ability to drive a car is a different skill than navigating a direction. "You are lost in one city. You become desperate as you try to find your way. You start making errors, start ignoring lights, giving no signals, etc." Slippery slope fallacy. Getting lost does not necessarily lead to these things. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:11:18 Besides, as I've already said, the point is moot. Pointless to argue. I'd rather someone who is unsure of their driving skills to slow down and be careful (and frustrating all the Poisons behind them) then to be aggressive and make stupid mistakes out of anger and fear and end up killing themselves or someone else. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:13:37 Now if she's driving 20mph under the speed limit because she's applying her mascara, feel free to flip her the bird an extra time for me. SStrickland Member Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 14:16:42 Sorry Poison, you lost. I was rooting for you and wanted to join your "cause".... You just made it impossible for me :/ Next time though. Nobody Member Total Posts: 36 Mon Sep 08 14:27:52 Actually in my experience as a cyclist I have been hit more times by male drivers than female drivers. Two thirds of the time they don't even bother to stop. I get hit about once a month and have been a cyclist for about three years. And I don't tend to be a reckless biker. I actually follow all the laws stopping at stop signs and red lights as any vehicle should. I have been hit because a driver ignored my right of way (in PA bikes get the same right of way as cars) I have been hit as people drove past me, I have also been hit because I made a mistake. But never the less women have not hit me as much and tend to stop more often when they do. So based on my experience alone I would say women drivers are actually the better drivers. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:30:44 I sympathize with you nobody. We have the same laws in Texas, and it's illegal for cyclists to be on the sidewalks because of pedestrians, but it's too dangerous to ride on the street because motorists don't respect your bike as a vehicle. Nobody Member Total Posts: 36 Mon Sep 08 14:46:38 The saddest part is that according to Money Magazine State College is a very bike friendly town. Poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 15:00:33 "And no, Kaylana is damn fine. You'll learn what a real woman is when you finally feel the caress of one ;)" Here, maybe it was a mistake, you make it sound as you know what a real woman is once you caress the woman. You know, like test driving. You know what car is good for you only after test drive it. So it was too obvious of an assumption that you caressed Kaylana before to know whether she is a real woman or not. Kaylana: When we are speaking of driving, it's pretty ignorant to use only the accident rate as the measure of "driving skill". Just like how murder rate is not the only measure for crime. There are all these minor details in driving (that you tend to not pay attention to) that sums up overall package of driving. That includes being aware of what's going on in the surroundings and know what to do when you are in tough driving situation, and even knowing when it's alright (or even necessary) to break a very minor "law" (like turning right on red) to make things easy. As much as driving requires law knowledge it requires just as much common sense (and driving 40 mph in 60 mph road which annoys and slows down the traffic in the fast lane is not a good showing of common sense). In such measures, I, and the rest of World (I have the survey of people's perspective one "worst drivers) put women as one of the worst group of people. SStrickland Member Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 15:13:52 "Here, maybe it was a mistake, you make it sound as you know what a real woman is once you caress the woman. You know, like test driving. You know what car is good for you only after test drive it. So it was too obvious of an assumption that you caressed Kaylana before to know whether she is a real woman or not. " What the fuck does getting some tang have to do with test driving a car? Your babble about shitty drivers has nothing to do with getting laid or Kaylana being hot dude. The fact that she is has nothing to do with her driving. How could you have twisted that so far out of context? Damn man. Allow me to reiterate two separate things- 1-Dont be a sexist pig. It's the same as when all the UGT flamerods call you chink or gook. Its child childish and imbecilic. 2-Dont belittle (such a fine creature like) Kaylana for being a woman or make assumptions about her driving ability when you've never met her and dont even know her. SStrickland Member Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 15:14:43 Poison I think you have more hours in your day than you need. QAG Member Total Posts: 42 Mon Sep 08 15:15:24 Hmmm... intresting every time i find an idiot driver its generaly a man. Ehcks Member Total Posts: 144 Mon Sep 08 15:39:06 I hate all drivers. I don't feel safe unless the nearest car is a mile behind me in the opposite lanes. EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 15:47:01 "motorists don't respect your bike as a vehicle." ill respect a bike as much as a car - until it slows traffic down (seriously, gtfo my left hand turn lane. crosswalk is right over there). then, fuck you. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 15:48:10 Good thing I didn't just use the accident rate, then...that's just the most tangible item of proof, one statistic that all studies universally agree on. Nobody Member Total Posts: 36 Mon Sep 08 16:06:44 EP I'm smart enough to ride on roads that I can keep up with traffic. And I will sit in your turning lane when I have to fucking turn. I really don't need a ticket from a cop that wants to meet his god damn quota. But I assure you I don't slow down traffic. I have been clocked on my street bike going 37 mph on the level, and when a majority of the roads I ride are 25mph limit. Poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 16:26:27 ""Here, maybe it was a mistake, you make it sound as you know what a real woman is once you caress the woman. You know, like test driving. You know what car is good for you only after test drive it. So it was too obvious of an assumption that you caressed Kaylana before to know whether she is a real woman or not. " What the fuck does getting some tang have to do with test driving a car? Your babble about shitty drivers has nothing to do with getting laid or Kaylana being hot dude. The fact that she is has nothing to do with her driving. How could you have twisted that so far out of context? Damn man. " Dude I'm not talking about that. I was talking about how you said Kaylana is a fine creature (which itself has nothing to do with the topic at hand). I hate repeating what I've said but just to clarify incase you get the wrong understanding of what I meant: Remember how you said "Especially when they're directed toward such a fine creature like Kaylana," which I disagreed to, and then you responded, "Kaylana is damn fine. You'll learn what a real woman is when you finally feel the caress of one". I don't even know why you said the latter part. But for me, although now I know you didn't mean what I thought you meant, what you said really came off as if you've already caressed Kaylana to be able to know how "fine of a creature" she is. But let's not get into any argument regarding this irrelevant matter anymore. Poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 16:30:18 "Good thing I didn't just use the accident rate, then" "Our claims data shows that men’s crashes tend to be more serious than women’s – they are more likely to be involved in head-on collisions, roll-overs and loss-of-control crashes, as well as crashes involving pedestrians, cyclists and animals." Two articles of which you used as resources were all related to accident rate: "Figures compiled by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) show that more men than women die each year in motor vehicle crashes, figures that drew explanatory comments from various insurance industry observers such as Russ Rader of IIHS, in Arlington, Va., and Tully Lehman, of the Insurance Information Network of California (IINC). " This one is debatable: "Men typically drive more miles than women and engage more often in risky driving practices including not using a safety belt… and speeding," according to Rader, spokesman for IIHS, in Arlington, Va. "This is due to the fact that men typically drive more miles and exhibit often risky driving practices such as driving while intoxicated, not wearing a seatbelt and speeding," said Lehman. But Your primary argument for saying men is worse driver was the accident rate you brought up. And I think there're more than accident rates that measure more accurately what a "better driving" is. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:39:05 Kaylana: When we are speaking of driving, it's pretty ignorant to use only the accident rate as the measure of "driving skill". But Your primary argument for saying men is worse driver was the accident rate you brought up. --- Primary isn't the same as only, my dear, and you conveniently forgot to mention my first article. "This study demonstrates that tasks requiring mental flexibility favor women over men, an area previously not considered to elicit strong sex differences," Fox says in a news release. "Driving could be a good example of how this is applied to everyday life." Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:41:03 And in point of fact, I do not think nor am I arguing that men are worse drivers. What I'm doing, here, is providing sources that contradict your claims, with which I disagree with. I will say men and women have somewhat different natures in driving, at this point in time (I do not think that will always be the case), but I would not be so bold as to say one gender is better than the other. We each have strengths in different areas that apply to driving. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:43:18 You don't seem to get that all I'm against here is your blind antagonistic misogynism. Wrath of Orion Member Total Posts: 83 Mon Sep 08 16:45:32 He's just trolling like a little bitch. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:46:57 I'm convinced more and more that it's not trolling, just an extremely stunted view of life. TalonsWordsOfWisdom Member Total Posts: 23 Mon Sep 08 16:55:29 You are correct Kaylana Wrath of Orion Member Total Posts: 83 Mon Sep 08 17:14:38 Nah, this sounds more like Poison PMS'ing and deciding to troll the fem-nazis here. I definitely agree most of his idiocy is genuine, but this one doesn't fit. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 17:22:23 Well that does make sense, you could be right. EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 17:34:37 so you concede that you are a femanazi? sfw: http://www...roppings/werewolfwomen1qo7.jpg Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 17:39:59 Sure, but I'm not THAT ugly. gir Member Total Posts: 130 Mon Sep 08 17:40:42 Isn't Poison a girl? poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 17:41:05 Kaylana, I like you. But you are wrong. SStrickland Member Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 17:44:34 "Sure, but I'm not THAT ugly. " Kaylana is the sexiest of UGT *AND* UP! EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 17:47:51 O SHIT, kay. that reminds me of something i gotta tell you (academic). but right now im about to go to bed so dont bother hopping on IM... later. Ubes JAC Member Total Posts: 379 Mon Sep 08 18:27:18 Hahhaah! I was gonna point out the asian thing too... Damn EP... Let The Boy Try Member Total Posts: 57 Mon Sep 08 18:31:47 Damn Asian Drivers. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 18:33:14 Asians invented drifting. incognito Member Total Posts: 4 Mon Sep 08 18:33:45 Asians invented homosexuality. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 18:34:07 source? incognito Member Total Posts: 4 Mon Sep 08 18:34:25 yo momma poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 18:38:01 incorrect. Real Fred Member Total Posts: 1596 Mon Sep 08 18:43:33 " and it's not legal in all states to make a right turn at a red light. " Bullshit. Poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 18:44:40 "" and it's not legal in all states to make a right turn at a red light. " Bullshit. " First time agreeing with your RF. I turn right at red all the time. Even when there's a cop right behind me, i don't give a fuck and just turn right when there are no income cars. Cops don't do jack shit. If the law enforcement doesn't mind, then fuck law. Law without enforcement isn't a law. Your Name: Your Password: Your Message:
ample.parking rank	Tue Sep 09 04:34:09 2008 Welcome to the Utopia Forums! The current time is Mon Sep 08 21:33:47 2008 , You have 53 new messages. Utopia Talk / General Talk / Fucking tired of woman drivers poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 11:53:42 So I was driving my way to work (I was already 30 minutes behind schedule) down on highway drinking coffee to wake myself up from sleep. Left lane, cruising down at 60mph, until I approached this car turtling down the lane at 40 something mph. Tried to switch lane but there were cars coming so I had no choice but to tail this moron car behind... But this continued on for a while until I got really tired and started pushing my way into the car. The car eventually moved to the center lane, and so I quickly passed by and curious to see who the moron was I checked the window, and to my surprise, I saw a woman, putting on make-up and her left hand was closed except the middle finger, pointing toward me. So I got flipped off, big deal, she's a bitch, I ignored. Later on, when I was already 10 minutes late to work, there was another car going at 20 mph in highway when everyone else was going at 40mph, so I switched lane immediately and tried to pass by her quickly, until the car just forced its way into (it was congested) front of me, which ALMOST resulted in collision. I passed by the car eventually, a WOMAN. Ignored. So I was almost at work, and it was a local road, intersection turning right, there were no cars at sight, but the car was waiting forever till light turned green. I was like "wtf moron just go you're turning right". Eventually teh light turned green, and the car finally moved. I passed by teh car, A WOMAN. FUCK!!! Women should just not drive. They all sux and their personality just aren't fit to be a good driver. They are too soft and selfish in nature, dont want to take responsibilities, and that's why something like today happened. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 413 Mon Sep 08 12:14:14 tldr Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 12:49:50 This post is full of disgusting misogynism. You are more likely to run into women during this time of day than men because there are more housewives than house husbands. In the last woman's defense, did you check the state of her license plate? I run into that quite a bit since CNN decided to broadcast how great the Texas economy is compared to the rest of the nation, and it's not legal in all states to make a right turn at a red light. With that said, I also do not care for people who get easily distracted in a car, which tends to be women because women are more likely to try and multitask. But equally irritating are the men who are overly aggressive, taking stupid risks and using their vehicles in a threatening manner simply because they're annoyed...they also are less likely to allow a vehicle over into their lane which gets particularly frustrating when you're just trying to exit. And somewhat related, did you hear about the study done on aggressive driving and road rage? Apparently people who tended to decorate their vehicle, either through bumper stickers or custom paint jobs or racing stripes or personalized license plates (or whatever whatever) tended to be far more aggressive on the road, taking on the attitude that this is my personal space and how dare you get in the way of it. While those who don't tend to decorate their vehicles view the road as a public place, and the actions of stupid drivers don't get under their skin quite so much. EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 12:52:25 "Fucking tired of woman drivers" says the fucking asian?! EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 12:52:50 (yeah, who can resist the urge to fight sexism with racism? :) Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:01:03 I'm ashamed to admit I laughed. EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:01:08 k, read your post. "on highway... Left lane, cruising down at 60mph" fucking PROOF. gtfo the big boy lane. goddamn typical asian. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:10:53 Earthpig, come to Los Angeles, drive I405 at 8 in the morning, and try to go beyond 60mph. I dont' live in Idaho or equally uncivilized place where cows outnumber human so maybe this concept of rush hour is foreign to you. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:11:51 Earthpig doesn't discriminate with his prejudices, he's got an "ist" for everything. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:14:10 8 you say? Hm, I thought you were 2 hours behind. Darn daylight savings time always throws me off. Got to calm down Poison, stress kills. EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:18:16 hey now kay, be fair. not a single word of mine ended in "ist." repel Member Total Posts: 82 Mon Sep 08 13:18:31 do you people wanna come over to the netherlands and drive here during the top hours. lots of fun over here :D Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:24:42 Nooo no no. I want no part of your crazy european driving. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:27:02 Kaylana, deal with it. it's been scientifically proven that women are worse driver than men. They lack senses of finding direction and their mind tend to be treat car as "others" whereas men treat car as "self". All this psychological differences between men and women contribute the driving style, and overall women comes out to be worse when it comes to driving. Admit it, women suck at driving. Don't point out the exceptions. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:31:13 Mmhm, source? poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:37:44 telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/ news/2008/01/03/ngay103.xml From the article: "Women and gay men are likely to be the worst drivers, a new study has shown. Research has revealed that both perform poorly in tasks involving navigation and spatial awareness when compared to heterosexual men. Psychologists at Queen Mary, University of London, who conducted the study, believe the findings mean driving in a strange environment would be more difficult for gay men and women than for straight male motorists. Both tend to rely on local landmarks to get around, and are also slower to take in spatial information." "The results back earlier studies supporting the stereotype that women are poor navigators. Although women are more successful in tests requiring them to remember the position of objects, men consistently do better in tasks requiring navigation and uncovering hidden objects." ""Women are going to take a lot longer to reach their destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns etc. They need more rich local landmarks." Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:38:21 Odd, I'm having a very hard time finding this scientifically proven fact that women are worse drivers. http://www.webmd.com/news/20051109/are-women-better-drivers "This study demonstrates that tasks requiring mental flexibility favor women over men, an area previously not considered to elicit strong sex differences," Fox says in a news release. "Driving could be a good example of how this is applied to everyday life." http://blo...n_better_drivers_than_men.html Insurance company AAMi is claiming that women are better drivers than men, based on a survey it has published today. The findings are based upon a national telephone survey of 2384 licensed drivers conducted in most States and Territories in 2006, as well as an analysis of AAMI claims data. AAMI spokesperson Geoff Hughes says the results mean it's no surprise that men's motoring insurance claims typically cost 20 per cent more than women's. “Our claims data shows that men’s crashes tend to be more serious than women’s – they are more likely to be involved in head-on collisions, roll-overs and loss-of-control crashes, as well as crashes involving pedestrians, cyclists and animals. “Conversely, women are more likely to collide with stationary objects or reverse into other cars. http://www...r_drivers_than_women/artid/259 So… let's see what the statistics have to say about drivers, in terms of males vs. females. Figures compiled by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) show that more men than women die each year in motor vehicle crashes, figures that drew explanatory comments from various insurance industry observers such as Russ Rader of IIHS, in Arlington, Va., and Tully Lehman, of the Insurance Information Network of California (IINC). "Men typically drive more miles than women and engage more often in risky driving practices including not using a safety belt… and speeding," according to Rader, spokesman for IIHS, in Arlington, Va. "This is due to the fact that men typically drive more miles and exhibit often risky driving practices such as driving while intoxicated, not wearing a seatbelt and speeding," said Lehman. http://www...s-The-Better-DriverWomen!.aspx (Humerous video on exceptional male drivers.) EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:40:26 "Mmhm, source?" if i find a source coming out of Saudi Arabia will it count? ;) Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:40:46 telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/ news/2008/01/03/ngay103.xml This link doesn't lead me to that article, and the statement is wrong anyway. Poor navigational skills does not equate to bad driving, and that is the only thing that the study has shown. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:42:45 ""Women are going to take a lot longer to reach their destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns etc. They need more rich local landmarks." Taking longer to reach destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns all = more retarded when it comes to driving. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:43:16 Anyway I just wanted to see if you were stupid enough to actually try and provide proof. And you didn't disappoint. Men and women have somewhat different driving styles (though those differences are decreasing over time, if you looked at some of those studies), but just because their bad habits are different, that doesn't make one less able to drive than the other. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:43:30 Try this link" http://www...n-are-%27worst-drivers%27.html poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:44:53 so all along you call me stupid for not backing up what I say, and now I back it up you call me stupid for providing sources? Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:45:45 "Taking longer to reach destination, making more errors, taking wrong turns all = more retarded when it comes to driving." Because taking longer is so much worse than dying a horrible horrible death before ever reaching that destination. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:48:04 "so all along you call me stupid for not backing up what I say, and now I back it up you call me stupid for providing sources?" I didn't say you were stupid for not backing up what you had to say. Comprehension has never been your strongest suit. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:48:51 kaylana, dying horrible death isn't the only indication of horrible driving. Women may take be safer because they are so horrible at driving that they do everything so freaking slowly (like pulling their cars out from parking lot) and frustrate every single fucking person around her. Driving fuking 30 mph cuz she cant drive better when driving on speed limit, thats horrible driving. EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 13:52:02 and driving 60 in the fast lane. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:52:28 Kaylana, i bet you drive like granma. You are probably one of those "I abide to laws" that drive EXACTLY at 65mph in highway first lane when all other cars go at 85mph. Well good job but to others it's just fucking annoying. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:54:45 If the person in the mobile weapon ahead, behind, or around me isn't skilled enough to drive at high speeds, I'd rather they be achingly careful. And poor navigational skills in unfamiliar areas is an entirely different issue from the actual ability to drive. But I don't put a lot of credence into that article that cannot be accessed anyway, since that is UK specific and not USA, and the geographical area in which women drive regularly is extremely limited in the UK, while women in the USA are far more likely to find themselves navigating unfamiliar areas all of their lives. And, besides that, those sorts of differences are decreasing. But it's all moot since it's a stupid thing to try and prove. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:57:03 " I don't put a lot of credence into that article that cannot be accessed anyway" I posted up a working link. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:57:30 As a matter of fact, I have a horrible habit of aggressive driving. I tone it down when I have other people in the car. Kyra can confirm this...after she hitched a ride with me through Dallas, I asked her if I was making her nervous since she turned 3 shades of white (a real trick for an Italian). Plus in Texas, cops don't pull you over unless you're going more than 10mph over the speed limit...so I pretty much consider that the speed limit. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 13:58:04 The link doesn't lead me to your article. Just leads me to the index site. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:58:17 well I never considered you much of a woman so that's not surprising. SStrickland Member Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 13:58:34 Poison- "you're probably.."-ies are for fucktards. Especially when they're directed toward such a fine creature like Kaylana. STFU mang. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 13:59:08 http://www...n-are-%27worst-drivers%27.html This link? I just tried it and it led me to the article fine. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 14:00:46 No SStrickland. Kaylana's being absurd here. She asked me to post up a study, I did, and now she says it's not credible enough source and completely reject my idea. she's not a fine creature. sorry. SStrickland Member Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 14:03:28 Your sexism toward women is the equivalent of the bulk of UGTs bigotry toward your being Asian. Its just stupid is what it is. And no, Kaylana is damn fine. You'll learn what a real woman is when you finally feel the caress of one ;) Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:04:24 Ah that's not the link you originally posted. And I am definitely not the typical woman driver, so I should never be considered the norm. I am rather mannish. But nothing that you have stated makes women worse drivers. The ability to navigate is a seperate skill. Plus, this difference is only notable in new environments, and the study was done in the UK where these results would make sense considering their lifestyles and driving distances. Random UGTer Member Total Posts: 6 Mon Sep 08 14:04:24 interesting comment on that article. This research was done in the biology department at London's Queen Mary University. It's not "social science". It was about gender differences in spatial awareness, not driving. And it says people are "different", not "worse". Please don't insult scientists because a Telegraph journalist decided to put some spin on the story. The original (un-spun) report is at http://www.sbcs.qmul.ac.uk/news/index.shtml It's the one titled January 2008 - Gender differences in spatial navigation. Has nothing to do with driving specifically. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 14:04:26 you make it sound as if you actually caressed Kaylana before. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:06:24 I actually rejected the premise of the article. Since the premise of the article is that women and gay men are worse drivers, but the study itself has very little to do with actual driving, I can conclude that the premise is flawed. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 14:06:46 "The ability to navigate is a seperate skill." Navigation skill and driving skill are all related. You are lost in one city. You become desperate as you try to find your way. You start making errors, start ignoring lights, giving no signals, etc. All related. Still Well Member Total Posts: 62 Mon Sep 08 14:08:05 "You are lost in one city. You become desperate as you try to find your way. You start making errors, start ignoring lights, giving no signals, etc. " So your saying men react better than women to pressure? SStrickland Member Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 14:08:10 How could you establish that summation? Reread what I wrote. I make it sound like I've felt the caress of a woman, not necessarily Kaylana. Quit while you're behind, Poison. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:09:43 "Navigation skill and driving skill are all related." Only in the relationship that while you are doing one, you are often doing the other at the same time. The ability to drive a car is a different skill than navigating a direction. "You are lost in one city. You become desperate as you try to find your way. You start making errors, start ignoring lights, giving no signals, etc." Slippery slope fallacy. Getting lost does not necessarily lead to these things. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:11:18 Besides, as I've already said, the point is moot. Pointless to argue. I'd rather someone who is unsure of their driving skills to slow down and be careful (and frustrating all the Poisons behind them) then to be aggressive and make stupid mistakes out of anger and fear and end up killing themselves or someone else. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:13:37 Now if she's driving 20mph under the speed limit because she's applying her mascara, feel free to flip her the bird an extra time for me. SStrickland Member Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 14:16:42 Sorry Poison, you lost. I was rooting for you and wanted to join your "cause".... You just made it impossible for me :/ Next time though. Nobody Member Total Posts: 36 Mon Sep 08 14:27:52 Actually in my experience as a cyclist I have been hit more times by male drivers than female drivers. Two thirds of the time they don't even bother to stop. I get hit about once a month and have been a cyclist for about three years. And I don't tend to be a reckless biker. I actually follow all the laws stopping at stop signs and red lights as any vehicle should. I have been hit because a driver ignored my right of way (in PA bikes get the same right of way as cars) I have been hit as people drove past me, I have also been hit because I made a mistake. But never the less women have not hit me as much and tend to stop more often when they do. So based on my experience alone I would say women drivers are actually the better drivers. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 14:30:44 I sympathize with you nobody. We have the same laws in Texas, and it's illegal for cyclists to be on the sidewalks because of pedestrians, but it's too dangerous to ride on the street because motorists don't respect your bike as a vehicle. Nobody Member Total Posts: 36 Mon Sep 08 14:46:38 The saddest part is that according to Money Magazine State College is a very bike friendly town. Poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 15:00:33 "And no, Kaylana is damn fine. You'll learn what a real woman is when you finally feel the caress of one ;)" Here, maybe it was a mistake, you make it sound as you know what a real woman is once you caress the woman. You know, like test driving. You know what car is good for you only after test drive it. So it was too obvious of an assumption that you caressed Kaylana before to know whether she is a real woman or not. Kaylana: When we are speaking of driving, it's pretty ignorant to use only the accident rate as the measure of "driving skill". Just like how murder rate is not the only measure for crime. There are all these minor details in driving (that you tend to not pay attention to) that sums up overall package of driving. That includes being aware of what's going on in the surroundings and know what to do when you are in tough driving situation, and even knowing when it's alright (or even necessary) to break a very minor "law" (like turning right on red) to make things easy. As much as driving requires law knowledge it requires just as much common sense (and driving 40 mph in 60 mph road which annoys and slows down the traffic in the fast lane is not a good showing of common sense). In such measures, I, and the rest of World (I have the survey of people's perspective one "worst drivers) put women as one of the worst group of people. SStrickland Member Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 15:13:52 "Here, maybe it was a mistake, you make it sound as you know what a real woman is once you caress the woman. You know, like test driving. You know what car is good for you only after test drive it. So it was too obvious of an assumption that you caressed Kaylana before to know whether she is a real woman or not. " What the fuck does getting some tang have to do with test driving a car? Your babble about shitty drivers has nothing to do with getting laid or Kaylana being hot dude. The fact that she is has nothing to do with her driving. How could you have twisted that so far out of context? Damn man. Allow me to reiterate two separate things- 1-Dont be a sexist pig. It's the same as when all the UGT flamerods call you chink or gook. Its child childish and imbecilic. 2-Dont belittle (such a fine creature like) Kaylana for being a woman or make assumptions about her driving ability when you've never met her and dont even know her. SStrickland Member Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 15:14:43 Poison I think you have more hours in your day than you need. QAG Member Total Posts: 42 Mon Sep 08 15:15:24 Hmmm... intresting every time i find an idiot driver its generaly a man. Ehcks Member Total Posts: 144 Mon Sep 08 15:39:06 I hate all drivers. I don't feel safe unless the nearest car is a mile behind me in the opposite lanes. EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 15:47:01 "motorists don't respect your bike as a vehicle." ill respect a bike as much as a car - until it slows traffic down (seriously, gtfo my left hand turn lane. crosswalk is right over there). then, fuck you. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 15:48:10 Good thing I didn't just use the accident rate, then...that's just the most tangible item of proof, one statistic that all studies universally agree on. Nobody Member Total Posts: 36 Mon Sep 08 16:06:44 EP I'm smart enough to ride on roads that I can keep up with traffic. And I will sit in your turning lane when I have to fucking turn. I really don't need a ticket from a cop that wants to meet his god damn quota. But I assure you I don't slow down traffic. I have been clocked on my street bike going 37 mph on the level, and when a majority of the roads I ride are 25mph limit. Poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 16:26:27 ""Here, maybe it was a mistake, you make it sound as you know what a real woman is once you caress the woman. You know, like test driving. You know what car is good for you only after test drive it. So it was too obvious of an assumption that you caressed Kaylana before to know whether she is a real woman or not. " What the fuck does getting some tang have to do with test driving a car? Your babble about shitty drivers has nothing to do with getting laid or Kaylana being hot dude. The fact that she is has nothing to do with her driving. How could you have twisted that so far out of context? Damn man. " Dude I'm not talking about that. I was talking about how you said Kaylana is a fine creature (which itself has nothing to do with the topic at hand). I hate repeating what I've said but just to clarify incase you get the wrong understanding of what I meant: Remember how you said "Especially when they're directed toward such a fine creature like Kaylana," which I disagreed to, and then you responded, "Kaylana is damn fine. You'll learn what a real woman is when you finally feel the caress of one". I don't even know why you said the latter part. But for me, although now I know you didn't mean what I thought you meant, what you said really came off as if you've already caressed Kaylana to be able to know how "fine of a creature" she is. But let's not get into any argument regarding this irrelevant matter anymore. Poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 16:30:18 "Good thing I didn't just use the accident rate, then" "Our claims data shows that men’s crashes tend to be more serious than women’s – they are more likely to be involved in head-on collisions, roll-overs and loss-of-control crashes, as well as crashes involving pedestrians, cyclists and animals." Two articles of which you used as resources were all related to accident rate: "Figures compiled by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) show that more men than women die each year in motor vehicle crashes, figures that drew explanatory comments from various insurance industry observers such as Russ Rader of IIHS, in Arlington, Va., and Tully Lehman, of the Insurance Information Network of California (IINC). " This one is debatable: "Men typically drive more miles than women and engage more often in risky driving practices including not using a safety belt… and speeding," according to Rader, spokesman for IIHS, in Arlington, Va. "This is due to the fact that men typically drive more miles and exhibit often risky driving practices such as driving while intoxicated, not wearing a seatbelt and speeding," said Lehman. But Your primary argument for saying men is worse driver was the accident rate you brought up. And I think there're more than accident rates that measure more accurately what a "better driving" is. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:39:05 Kaylana: When we are speaking of driving, it's pretty ignorant to use only the accident rate as the measure of "driving skill". But Your primary argument for saying men is worse driver was the accident rate you brought up. --- Primary isn't the same as only, my dear, and you conveniently forgot to mention my first article. "This study demonstrates that tasks requiring mental flexibility favor women over men, an area previously not considered to elicit strong sex differences," Fox says in a news release. "Driving could be a good example of how this is applied to everyday life." Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:41:03 And in point of fact, I do not think nor am I arguing that men are worse drivers. What I'm doing, here, is providing sources that contradict your claims, with which I disagree with. I will say men and women have somewhat different natures in driving, at this point in time (I do not think that will always be the case), but I would not be so bold as to say one gender is better than the other. We each have strengths in different areas that apply to driving. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:43:18 You don't seem to get that all I'm against here is your blind antagonistic misogynism. Wrath of Orion Member Total Posts: 83 Mon Sep 08 16:45:32 He's just trolling like a little bitch. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 16:46:57 I'm convinced more and more that it's not trolling, just an extremely stunted view of life. TalonsWordsOfWisdom Member Total Posts: 23 Mon Sep 08 16:55:29 You are correct Kaylana Wrath of Orion Member Total Posts: 83 Mon Sep 08 17:14:38 Nah, this sounds more like Poison PMS'ing and deciding to troll the fem-nazis here. I definitely agree most of his idiocy is genuine, but this one doesn't fit. Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 17:22:23 Well that does make sense, you could be right. EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 17:34:37 so you concede that you are a femanazi? sfw: http://www...roppings/werewolfwomen1qo7.jpg Kaylana Moderator Total Posts: 709 Mon Sep 08 17:39:59 Sure, but I'm not THAT ugly. gir Member Total Posts: 130 Mon Sep 08 17:40:42 Isn't Poison a girl? poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 17:41:05 Kaylana, I like you. But you are wrong. SStrickland Member Total Posts: 391 Mon Sep 08 17:44:34 "Sure, but I'm not THAT ugly. " Kaylana is the sexiest of UGT *AND* UP! EarthPig EPCHMUFTFOI Member Total Posts: 580 Mon Sep 08 17:47:51 O SHIT, kay. that reminds me of something i gotta tell you (academic). but right now im about to go to bed so dont bother hopping on IM... later. Ubes JAC Member Total Posts: 379 Mon Sep 08 18:27:18 Hahhaah! I was gonna point out the asian thing too... Damn EP... Let The Boy Try Member Total Posts: 57 Mon Sep 08 18:31:47 Damn Asian Drivers. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 18:33:14 Asians invented drifting. incognito Member Total Posts: 4 Mon Sep 08 18:33:45 Asians invented homosexuality. poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 18:34:07 source? incognito Member Total Posts: 4 Mon Sep 08 18:34:25 yo momma poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 18:38:01 incorrect. Real Fred Member Total Posts: 1596 Mon Sep 08 18:43:33 " and it's not legal in all states to make a right turn at a red light. " Bullshit. Poison Member Total Posts: 1880 Mon Sep 08 18:44:40 "" and it's not legal in all states to make a right turn at a red light. " Bullshit. " First time agreeing with your RF. I turn right at red all the time. Even when there's a cop right behind me, i don't give a fuck and just turn right when there are no income cars. Cops don't do jack shit. If the law enforcement doesn't mind, then fuck law. Law without enforcement isn't a law. Your Name: Your Password: Your Message:
Mad Doggie rank	Tue Sep 09 04:36:43 2008
HH.Psycho Guy rank	Tue Sep 09 04:45:22 2008 Hi! I was just wondering why you chose an imposter over me as mod
ample.parking rank	Tue Sep 09 04:47:22 2008 Mon Sep 08 21:45:50 Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02 TRIPLE POST O owe is me? Firestorm Phoenix Member Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42 Your connection is the crap then. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09 Refresh is a bitch. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28 Triple post? TRIPLE post!? WHERE? *readies the delete* pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39 No no, all unique posts. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22 http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968 Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25 ...oh :( *unmans the harpoons* TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57 *mans the poons* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31 Aaaand saved. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07 ^^^ lol gay pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24 Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog! Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27 NO U Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28 Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15 I SAW that, MD!! =P pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36 Nazi mod nazi mod!!! *sounds alarms* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35 Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02 TRIPLE POST O owe is me? Firestorm Phoenix Member Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42 Your connection is the crap then. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09 Refresh is a bitch. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28 Triple post? TRIPLE post!? WHERE? *readies the delete* pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39 No no, all unique posts. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22 http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968 Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25 ...oh :( *unmans the harpoons* TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57 *mans the poons* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31 Aaaand saved. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07 ^^^ lol gay pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24 Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog! Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27 NO U Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28 Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15 I SAW that, MD!! =P pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36 Nazi mod nazi mod!!! *sounds alarms* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35 Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02 TRIPLE POST O owe is me? Firestorm Phoenix Member Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42 Your connection is the crap then. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09 Refresh is a bitch. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28 Triple post? TRIPLE post!? WHERE? *readies the delete* pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39 No no, all unique posts. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22 http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968 Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25 ...oh :( *unmans the harpoons* TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57 *mans the poons* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31 Aaaand saved. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07 ^^^ lol gay pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24 Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog! Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27 NO U Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28 Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15 I SAW that, MD!! =P pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36 Nazi mod nazi mod!!! *sounds alarms* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35 Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02 TRIPLE POST O owe is me? Firestorm Phoenix Member Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42 Your connection is the crap then. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09 Refresh is a bitch. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28 Triple post? TRIPLE post!? WHERE? *readies the delete* pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39 No no, all unique posts. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22 http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968 Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25 ...oh :( *unmans the harpoons* TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57 *mans the poons* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31 Aaaand saved. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07 ^^^ lol gay pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24 Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog! Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27 NO U Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28 Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15 I SAW that, MD!! =P pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36 Nazi mod nazi mod!!! *sounds alarms* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35 Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02 TRIPLE POST O owe is me? Firestorm Phoenix Member Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42 Your connection is the crap then. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09 Refresh is a bitch. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28 Triple post? TRIPLE post!? WHERE? *readies the delete* pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39 No no, all unique posts. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22 http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968 Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25 ...oh :( *unmans the harpoons* TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57 *mans the poons* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31 Aaaand saved. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07 ^^^ lol gay pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24 Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog! Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27 NO U Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28 Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15 I SAW that, MD!! =P pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36 Nazi mod nazi mod!!! *sounds alarms* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35 Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02 TRIPLE POST O owe is me? Firestorm Phoenix Member Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42 Your connection is the crap then. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09 Refresh is a bitch. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28 Triple post? TRIPLE post!? WHERE? *readies the delete* pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39 No no, all unique posts. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22 http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968 Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25 ...oh :( *unmans the harpoons* TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57 *mans the poons* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31 Aaaand saved. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07 ^^^ lol gay pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24 Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog! Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27 NO U Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28 Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15 I SAW that, MD!! =P pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36 Nazi mod nazi mod!!! *sounds alarms* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35 Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02 TRIPLE POST O owe is me? Firestorm Phoenix Member Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42 Your connection is the crap then. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09 Refresh is a bitch. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28 Triple post? TRIPLE post!? WHERE? *readies the delete* pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39 No no, all unique posts. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22 http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968 Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25 ...oh :( *unmans the harpoons* TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57 *mans the poons* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31 Aaaand saved. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07 ^^^ lol gay pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24 Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog! Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27 NO U Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28 Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15 I SAW that, MD!! =P pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36 Nazi mod nazi mod!!! *sounds alarms* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35 Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02 TRIPLE POST O owe is me? Firestorm Phoenix Member Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42 Your connection is the crap then. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09 Refresh is a bitch. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28 Triple post? TRIPLE post!? WHERE? *readies the delete* pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39 No no, all unique posts. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22 http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968 Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25 ...oh :( *unmans the harpoons* TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57 *mans the poons* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31 Aaaand saved. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07 ^^^ lol gay pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24 Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog! Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27 NO U Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28 Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15 I SAW that, MD!! =P pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36 Nazi mod nazi mod!!! *sounds alarms* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35 Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02 TRIPLE POST O owe is me? Firestorm Phoenix Member Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42 Your connection is the crap then. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09 Refresh is a bitch. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28 Triple post? TRIPLE post!? WHERE? *readies the delete* pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39 No no, all unique posts. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22 http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968 Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25 ...oh :( *unmans the harpoons* TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57 *mans the poons* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31 Aaaand saved. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07 ^^^ lol gay pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24 Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog! Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27 NO U Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28 Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15 I SAW that, MD!! =P pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36 Nazi mod nazi mod!!! *sounds alarms* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35 Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02 TRIPLE POST O owe is me? Firestorm Phoenix Member Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42 Your connection is the crap then. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09 Refresh is a bitch. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28 Triple post? TRIPLE post!? WHERE? *readies the delete* pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39 No no, all unique posts. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22 http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968 Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25 ...oh :( *unmans the harpoons* TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57 *mans the poons* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31 Aaaand saved. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07 ^^^ lol gay pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24 Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog! Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27 NO U Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28 Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15 I SAW that, MD!! =P pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36 Nazi mod nazi mod!!! *sounds alarms* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35 Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02 TRIPLE POST O owe is me? Firestorm Phoenix Member Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42 Your connection is the crap then. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09 Refresh is a bitch. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28 Triple post? TRIPLE post!? WHERE? *readies the delete* pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39 No no, all unique posts. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22 http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968 Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25 ...oh :( *unmans the harpoons* TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57 *mans the poons* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31 Aaaand saved. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07 ^^^ lol gay pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24 Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog! Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27 NO U Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28 Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15 I SAW that, MD!! =P pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36 Nazi mod nazi mod!!! *sounds alarms* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35 Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02 TRIPLE POST O owe is me? Firestorm Phoenix Member Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42 Your connection is the crap then. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09 Refresh is a bitch. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28 Triple post? TRIPLE post!? WHERE? *readies the delete* pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39 No no, all unique posts. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22 http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968 Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25 ...oh :( *unmans the harpoons* TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57 *mans the poons* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31 Aaaand saved. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07 ^^^ lol gay pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24 Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog! Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27 NO U Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28 Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15 I SAW that, MD!! =P pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36 Nazi mod nazi mod!!! *sounds alarms* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35 Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02 TRIPLE POST O owe is me? Firestorm Phoenix Member Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42 Your connection is the crap then. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09 Refresh is a bitch. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28 Triple post? TRIPLE post!? WHERE? *readies the delete* pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39 No no, all unique posts. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22 http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968 Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25 ...oh :( *unmans the harpoons* TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57 *mans the poons* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31 Aaaand saved. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07 ^^^ lol gay pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24 Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog! Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27 NO U Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28 Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15 I SAW that, MD!! =P pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36 Nazi mod nazi mod!!! *sounds alarms* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35 Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02 TRIPLE POST O owe is me? Firestorm Phoenix Member Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42 Your connection is the crap then. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09 Refresh is a bitch. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28 Triple post? TRIPLE post!? WHERE? *readies the delete* pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39 No no, all unique posts. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22 http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968 Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25 ...oh :( *unmans the harpoons* TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57 *mans the poons* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31 Aaaand saved. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07 ^^^ lol gay pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24 Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog! Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27 NO U Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28 Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15 I SAW that, MD!! =P pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36 Nazi mod nazi mod!!! *sounds alarms* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35 Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02 TRIPLE POST O owe is me? Firestorm Phoenix Member Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42 Your connection is the crap then. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09 Refresh is a bitch. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28 Triple post? TRIPLE post!? WHERE? *readies the delete* pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39 No no, all unique posts. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22 http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968 Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25 ...oh :( *unmans the harpoons* TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57 *mans the poons* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31 Aaaand saved. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07 ^^^ lol gay pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24 Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog! Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27 NO U Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28 Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15 I SAW that, MD!! =P pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36 Nazi mod nazi mod!!! *sounds alarms* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35 Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02 TRIPLE POST O owe is me? Firestorm Phoenix Member Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42 Your connection is the crap then. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09 Refresh is a bitch. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28 Triple post? TRIPLE post!? WHERE? *readies the delete* pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39 No no, all unique posts. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22 http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968 Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25 ...oh :( *unmans the harpoons* TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57 *mans the poons* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31 Aaaand saved. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07 ^^^ lol gay pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24 Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog! Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27 NO U Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28 Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15 I SAW that, MD!! =P pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36 Nazi mod nazi mod!!! *sounds alarms* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35 Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02 TRIPLE POST O owe is me? Firestorm Phoenix Member Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42 Your connection is the crap then. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09 Refresh is a bitch. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28 Triple post? TRIPLE post!? WHERE? *readies the delete* pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39 No no, all unique posts. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22 http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968 Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25 ...oh :( *unmans the harpoons* TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57 *mans the poons* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31 Aaaand saved. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07 ^^^ lol gay pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24 Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog! Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27 NO U Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28 Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15 I SAW that, MD!! =P pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36 Nazi mod nazi mod!!! *sounds alarms* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35 Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02 TRIPLE POST O owe is me? Firestorm Phoenix Member Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42 Your connection is the crap then. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09 Refresh is a bitch. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28 Triple post? TRIPLE post!? WHERE? *readies the delete* pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39 No no, all unique posts. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22 http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968 Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25 ...oh :( *unmans the harpoons* TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57 *mans the poons* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31 Aaaand saved. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07 ^^^ lol gay pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24 Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog! Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27 NO U Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28 Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15 I SAW that, MD!! =P pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36 Nazi mod nazi mod!!! *sounds alarms* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35 Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02 TRIPLE POST O owe is me? Firestorm Phoenix Member Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42 Your connection is the crap then. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09 Refresh is a bitch. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28 Triple post? TRIPLE post!? WHERE? *readies the delete* pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39 No no, all unique posts. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22 http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968 Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25 ...oh :( *unmans the harpoons* TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57 *mans the poons* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31 Aaaand saved. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07 ^^^ lol gay pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24 Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog! Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27 NO U Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28 Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15 I SAW that, MD!! =P pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36 Nazi mod nazi mod!!! *sounds alarms* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35 Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02 TRIPLE POST O owe is me? Firestorm Phoenix Member Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42 Your connection is the crap then. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09 Refresh is a bitch. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28 Triple post? TRIPLE post!? WHERE? *readies the delete* pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39 No no, all unique posts. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22 http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968 Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25 ...oh :( *unmans the harpoons* TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57 *mans the poons* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31 Aaaand saved. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07 ^^^ lol gay pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24 Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog! Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27 NO U Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28 Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15 I SAW that, MD!! =P pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36 Nazi mod nazi mod!!! *sounds alarms* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35 Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02 TRIPLE POST O owe is me? Firestorm Phoenix Member Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42 Your connection is the crap then. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09 Refresh is a bitch. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28 Triple post? TRIPLE post!? WHERE? *readies the delete* pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39 No no, all unique posts. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22 http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968 Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25 ...oh :( *unmans the harpoons* TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57 *mans the poons* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31 Aaaand saved. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07 ^^^ lol gay pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24 Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog! Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27 NO U Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28 Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15 I SAW that, MD!! =P pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36 Nazi mod nazi mod!!! *sounds alarms* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35 Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02 TRIPLE POST O owe is me? Firestorm Phoenix Member Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42 Your connection is the crap then. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09 Refresh is a bitch. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28 Triple post? TRIPLE post!? WHERE? *readies the delete* pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39 No no, all unique posts. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22 http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968 Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25 ...oh :( *unmans the harpoons* TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57 *mans the poons* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31 Aaaand saved. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07 ^^^ lol gay pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24 Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog! Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27 NO U Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28 Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15 I SAW that, MD!! =P pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36 Nazi mod nazi mod!!! *sounds alarms* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35 Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02 TRIPLE POST O owe is me? Firestorm Phoenix Member Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42 Your connection is the crap then. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09 Refresh is a bitch. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28 Triple post? TRIPLE post!? WHERE? *readies the delete* pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39 No no, all unique posts. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22 http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968 Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25 ...oh :( *unmans the harpoons* TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57 *mans the poons* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31 Aaaand saved. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07 ^^^ lol gay pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24 Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog! Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27 NO U Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28 Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15 I SAW that, MD!! =P pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36 Nazi mod nazi mod!!! *sounds alarms* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35 Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02 TRIPLE POST O owe is me? Firestorm Phoenix Member Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42 Your connection is the crap then. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09 Refresh is a bitch. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28 Triple post? TRIPLE post!? WHERE? *readies the delete* pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39 No no, all unique posts. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22 http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968 Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25 ...oh :( *unmans the harpoons* TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57 *mans the poons* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31 Aaaand saved. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07 ^^^ lol gay pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24 Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog! Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27 NO U Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28 Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15 I SAW that, MD!! =P pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36 Nazi mod nazi mod!!! *sounds alarms* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35 Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02 TRIPLE POST O owe is me? Firestorm Phoenix Member Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42 Your connection is the crap then. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09 Refresh is a bitch. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28 Triple post? TRIPLE post!? WHERE? *readies the delete* pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39 No no, all unique posts. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22 http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968 Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25 ...oh :( *unmans the harpoons* TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57 *mans the poons* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31 Aaaand saved. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07 ^^^ lol gay pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24 Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog! Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27 NO U Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28 Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15 I SAW that, MD!! =P pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36 Nazi mod nazi mod!!! *sounds alarms* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35 Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02 TRIPLE POST O owe is me? Firestorm Phoenix Member Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42 Your connection is the crap then. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09 Refresh is a bitch. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28 Triple post? TRIPLE post!? WHERE? *readies the delete* pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39 No no, all unique posts. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22 http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968 Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25 ...oh :( *unmans the harpoons* TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57 *mans the poons* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31 Aaaand saved. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07 ^^^ lol gay pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24 Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog! Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27 NO U Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28 Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15 I SAW that, MD!! =P pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36 Nazi mod nazi mod!!! *sounds alarms* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35 Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02 TRIPLE POST O owe is me? Firestorm Phoenix Member Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42 Your connection is the crap then. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09 Refresh is a bitch. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28 Triple post? TRIPLE post!? WHERE? *readies the delete* pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39 No no, all unique posts. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22 http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968 Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25 ...oh :( *unmans the harpoons* TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57 *mans the poons* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31 Aaaand saved. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07 ^^^ lol gay pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24 Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog! Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27 NO U Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28 Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15 I SAW that, MD!! =P pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36 Nazi mod nazi mod!!! *sounds alarms* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35 Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02 TRIPLE POST O owe is me? Firestorm Phoenix Member Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42 Your connection is the crap then. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09 Refresh is a bitch. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28 Triple post? TRIPLE post!? WHERE? *readies the delete* pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39 No no, all unique posts. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22 http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968 Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25 ...oh :( *unmans the harpoons* TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57 *mans the poons* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31 Aaaand saved. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07 ^^^ lol gay pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24 Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog! Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27 NO U Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28 Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15 I SAW that, MD!! =P pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36 Nazi mod nazi mod!!! *sounds alarms* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35 Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02 TRIPLE POST O owe is me? Firestorm Phoenix Member Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42 Your connection is the crap then. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09 Refresh is a bitch. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28 Triple post? TRIPLE post!? WHERE? *readies the delete* pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39 No no, all unique posts. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22 http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968 Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25 ...oh :( *unmans the harpoons* TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57 *mans the poons* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31 Aaaand saved. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07 ^^^ lol gay pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24 Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog! Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27 NO U Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28 Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15 I SAW that, MD!! =P pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36 Nazi mod nazi mod!!! *sounds alarms* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35 Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02 TRIPLE POST O owe is me? Firestorm Phoenix Member Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42 Your connection is the crap then. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09 Refresh is a bitch. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28 Triple post? TRIPLE post!? WHERE? *readies the delete* pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39 No no, all unique posts. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22 http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968 Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25 ...oh :( *unmans the harpoons* TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57 *mans the poons* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31 Aaaand saved. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07 ^^^ lol gay pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24 Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog! Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27 NO U Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28 Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15 I SAW that, MD!! =P pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36 Nazi mod nazi mod!!! *sounds alarms* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35 Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02 TRIPLE POST O owe is me? Firestorm Phoenix Member Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42 Your connection is the crap then. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09 Refresh is a bitch. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28 Triple post? TRIPLE post!? WHERE? *readies the delete* pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39 No no, all unique posts. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22 http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968 Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25 ...oh :( *unmans the harpoons* TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57 *mans the poons* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31 Aaaand saved. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07 ^^^ lol gay pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24 Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog! Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27 NO U Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28 Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15 I SAW that, MD!! =P pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36 Nazi mod nazi mod!!! *sounds alarms* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35 Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02 TRIPLE POST O owe is me? Firestorm Phoenix Member Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42 Your connection is the crap then. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09 Refresh is a bitch. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28 Triple post? TRIPLE post!? WHERE? *readies the delete* pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39 No no, all unique posts. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22 http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968 Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25 ...oh :( *unmans the harpoons* TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57 *mans the poons* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31 Aaaand saved. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07 ^^^ lol gay pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24 Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog! Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27 NO U Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28 Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15 I SAW that, MD!! =P pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36 Nazi mod nazi mod!!! *sounds alarms* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35 Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02 TRIPLE POST O owe is me? Firestorm Phoenix Member Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42 Your connection is the crap then. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09 Refresh is a bitch. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28 Triple post? TRIPLE post!? WHERE? *readies the delete* pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39 No no, all unique posts. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22 http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968 Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25 ...oh :( *unmans the harpoons* TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57 *mans the poons* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31 Aaaand saved. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07 ^^^ lol gay pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24 Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog! Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27 NO U Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28 Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15 I SAW that, MD!! =P pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36 Nazi mod nazi mod!!! *sounds alarms* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35 Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02 TRIPLE POST O owe is me? Firestorm Phoenix Member Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42 Your connection is the crap then. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09 Refresh is a bitch. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28 Triple post? TRIPLE post!? WHERE? *readies the delete* pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39 No no, all unique posts. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22 http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968 Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25 ...oh :( *unmans the harpoons* TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57 *mans the poons* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31 Aaaand saved. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07 ^^^ lol gay pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24 Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog! Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27 NO U Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28 Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15 I SAW that, MD!! =P pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36 Nazi mod nazi mod!!! *sounds alarms* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35 Saw what?
James T kirk rank	Tue Sep 09 04:48:59 2008 Mon Sep 08 21:45:50 Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02 TRIPLE POST O owe is me? Firestorm Phoenix Member Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42 Your connection is the crap then. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09 Refresh is a bitch. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28 Triple post? TRIPLE post!? WHERE? *readies the delete* pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39 No no, all unique posts. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22 http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968 Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25 ...oh :( *unmans the harpoons* TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57 *mans the poons* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31 Aaaand saved. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07 ^^^ lol gay pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24 Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog! Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27 NO U Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28 Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15 I SAW that, MD!! =P pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36 Nazi mod nazi mod!!! *sounds alarms* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35 Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02 TRIPLE POST O owe is me? Firestorm Phoenix Member Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42 Your connection is the crap then. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09 Refresh is a bitch. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28 Triple post? TRIPLE post!? WHERE? *readies the delete* pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39 No no, all unique posts. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22 http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968 Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25 ...oh :( *unmans the harpoons* TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57 *mans the poons* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31 Aaaand saved. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07 ^^^ lol gay pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24 Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog! Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27 NO U Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28 Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15 I SAW that, MD!! =P pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36 Nazi mod nazi mod!!! *sounds alarms* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35 Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02 TRIPLE POST O owe is me? Firestorm Phoenix Member Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42 Your connection is the crap then. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09 Refresh is a bitch. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28 Triple post? TRIPLE post!? WHERE? *readies the delete* pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39 No no, all unique posts. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22 http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968 Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25 ...oh :( *unmans the harpoons* TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57 *mans the poons* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31 Aaaand saved. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07 ^^^ lol gay pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24 Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog! Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27 NO U Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28 Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15 I SAW that, MD!! =P pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36 Nazi mod nazi mod!!! *sounds alarms* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35 Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02 TRIPLE POST O owe is me? Firestorm Phoenix Member Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42 Your connection is the crap then. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09 Refresh is a bitch. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28 Triple post? TRIPLE post!? WHERE? *readies the delete* pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39 No no, all unique posts. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22 http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968 Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25 ...oh :( *unmans the harpoons* TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57 *mans the poons* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31 Aaaand saved. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07 ^^^ lol gay pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24 Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog! Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27 NO U Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28 Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15 I SAW that, MD!! =P pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36 Nazi mod nazi mod!!! *sounds alarms* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35 Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02 TRIPLE POST O owe is me? Firestorm Phoenix Member Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42 Your connection is the crap then. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09 Refresh is a bitch. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28 Triple post? TRIPLE post!? WHERE? *readies the delete* pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39 No no, all unique posts. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22 http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968 Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25 ...oh :( *unmans the harpoons* TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57 *mans the poons* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31 Aaaand saved. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07 ^^^ lol gay pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24 Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog! Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27 NO U Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28 Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15 I SAW that, MD!! =P pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36 Nazi mod nazi mod!!! *sounds alarms* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35 Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02 TRIPLE POST O owe is me? Firestorm Phoenix Member Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42 Your connection is the crap then. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09 Refresh is a bitch. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28 Triple post? TRIPLE post!? WHERE? *readies the delete* pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39 No no, all unique posts. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22 http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968 Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25 ...oh :( *unmans the harpoons* TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57 *mans the poons* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31 Aaaand saved. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07 ^^^ lol gay pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24 Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog! Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27 NO U Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28 Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15 I SAW that, MD!! =P pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36 Nazi mod nazi mod!!! *sounds alarms* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35 Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02 TRIPLE POST O owe is me? Firestorm Phoenix Member Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42 Your connection is the crap then. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09 Refresh is a bitch. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28 Triple post? TRIPLE post!? WHERE? *readies the delete* pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39 No no, all unique posts. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22 http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968 Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25 ...oh :( *unmans the harpoons* TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57 *mans the poons* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31 Aaaand saved. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07 ^^^ lol gay pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24 Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog! Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27 NO U Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28 Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15 I SAW that, MD!! =P pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36 Nazi mod nazi mod!!! *sounds alarms* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35 Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02 TRIPLE POST O owe is me? Firestorm Phoenix Member Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42 Your connection is the crap then. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09 Refresh is a bitch. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28 Triple post? TRIPLE post!? WHERE? *readies the delete* pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39 No no, all unique posts. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22 http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968 Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25 ...oh :( *unmans the harpoons* TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57 *mans the poons* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31 Aaaand saved. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07 ^^^ lol gay pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24 Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog! Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27 NO U Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28 Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15 I SAW that, MD!! =P pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36 Nazi mod nazi mod!!! *sounds alarms* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35 Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02 TRIPLE POST O owe is me? Firestorm Phoenix Member Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42 Your connection is the crap then. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09 Refresh is a bitch. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28 Triple post? TRIPLE post!? WHERE? *readies the delete* pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39 No no, all unique posts. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22 http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968 Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25 ...oh :( *unmans the harpoons* TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57 *mans the poons* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31 Aaaand saved. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07 ^^^ lol gay pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24 Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog! Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27 NO U Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28 Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15 I SAW that, MD!! =P pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36 Nazi mod nazi mod!!! *sounds alarms* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35 Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02 TRIPLE POST O owe is me? Firestorm Phoenix Member Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42 Your connection is the crap then. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09 Refresh is a bitch. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28 Triple post? TRIPLE post!? WHERE? *readies the delete* pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39 No no, all unique posts. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22 http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968 Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25 ...oh :( *unmans the harpoons* TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57 *mans the poons* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31 Aaaand saved. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07 ^^^ lol gay pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24 Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog! Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27 NO U Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28 Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15 I SAW that, MD!! =P pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36 Nazi mod nazi mod!!! *sounds alarms* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35 Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02 TRIPLE POST O owe is me? Firestorm Phoenix Member Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42 Your connection is the crap then. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09 Refresh is a bitch. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28 Triple post? TRIPLE post!? WHERE? *readies the delete* pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39 No no, all unique posts. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22 http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968 Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25 ...oh :( *unmans the harpoons* TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57 *mans the poons* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31 Aaaand saved. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07 ^^^ lol gay pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24 Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog! Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27 NO U Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28 Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15 I SAW that, MD!! =P pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36 Nazi mod nazi mod!!! *sounds alarms* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35 Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02 TRIPLE POST O owe is me? Firestorm Phoenix Member Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42 Your connection is the crap then. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09 Refresh is a bitch. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28 Triple post? TRIPLE post!? WHERE? *readies the delete* pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39 No no, all unique posts. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22 http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968 Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25 ...oh :( *unmans the harpoons* TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57 *mans the poons* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31 Aaaand saved. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07 ^^^ lol gay pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24 Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog! Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27 NO U Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28 Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15 I SAW that, MD!! =P pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36 Nazi mod nazi mod!!! *sounds alarms* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35 Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02 TRIPLE POST O owe is me? Firestorm Phoenix Member Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42 Your connection is the crap then. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09 Refresh is a bitch. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28 Triple post? TRIPLE post!? WHERE? *readies the delete* pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39 No no, all unique posts. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22 http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968 Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25 ...oh :( *unmans the harpoons* TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57 *mans the poons* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31 Aaaand saved. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07 ^^^ lol gay pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24 Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog! Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27 NO U Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28 Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15 I SAW that, MD!! =P pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36 Nazi mod nazi mod!!! *sounds alarms* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35 Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02 TRIPLE POST O owe is me? Firestorm Phoenix Member Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42 Your connection is the crap then. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09 Refresh is a bitch. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28 Triple post? TRIPLE post!? WHERE? *readies the delete* pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39 No no, all unique posts. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22 http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968 Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25 ...oh :( *unmans the harpoons* TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57 *mans the poons* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31 Aaaand saved. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07 ^^^ lol gay pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24 Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog! Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27 NO U Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28 Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15 I SAW that, MD!! =P pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36 Nazi mod nazi mod!!! *sounds alarms* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35 Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02 TRIPLE POST O owe is me? Firestorm Phoenix Member Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42 Your connection is the crap then. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09 Refresh is a bitch. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28 Triple post? TRIPLE post!? WHERE? *readies the delete* pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39 No no, all unique posts. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22 http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968 Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25 ...oh :( *unmans the harpoons* TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57 *mans the poons* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31 Aaaand saved. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07 ^^^ lol gay pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24 Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog! Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27 NO U Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28 Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15 I SAW that, MD!! =P pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36 Nazi mod nazi mod!!! *sounds alarms* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35 Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02 TRIPLE POST O owe is me? Firestorm Phoenix Member Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42 Your connection is the crap then. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09 Refresh is a bitch. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28 Triple post? TRIPLE post!? WHERE? *readies the delete* pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39 No no, all unique posts. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22 http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968 Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25 ...oh :( *unmans the harpoons* TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57 *mans the poons* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31 Aaaand saved. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07 ^^^ lol gay pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24 Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog! Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27 NO U Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28 Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15 I SAW that, MD!! =P pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36 Nazi mod nazi mod!!! *sounds alarms* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35 Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02 TRIPLE POST O owe is me? Firestorm Phoenix Member Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42 Your connection is the crap then. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09 Refresh is a bitch. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28 Triple post? TRIPLE post!? WHERE? *readies the delete* pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39 No no, all unique posts. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22 http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968 Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25 ...oh :( *unmans the harpoons* TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57 *mans the poons* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31 Aaaand saved. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07 ^^^ lol gay pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24 Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog! Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27 NO U Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28 Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15 I SAW that, MD!! =P pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36 Nazi mod nazi mod!!! *sounds alarms* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35 Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02 TRIPLE POST O owe is me? Firestorm Phoenix Member Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42 Your connection is the crap then. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09 Refresh is a bitch. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28 Triple post? TRIPLE post!? WHERE? *readies the delete* pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39 No no, all unique posts. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22 http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968 Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25 ...oh :( *unmans the harpoons* TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57 *mans the poons* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31 Aaaand saved. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07 ^^^ lol gay pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24 Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog! Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27 NO U Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28 Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15 I SAW that, MD!! =P pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36 Nazi mod nazi mod!!! *sounds alarms* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35 Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02 TRIPLE POST O owe is me? Firestorm Phoenix Member Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42 Your connection is the crap then. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09 Refresh is a bitch. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28 Triple post? TRIPLE post!? WHERE? *readies the delete* pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39 No no, all unique posts. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22 http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968 Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25 ...oh :( *unmans the harpoons* TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57 *mans the poons* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31 Aaaand saved. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07 ^^^ lol gay pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24 Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog! Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27 NO U Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28 Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15 I SAW that, MD!! =P pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36 Nazi mod nazi mod!!! *sounds alarms* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35 Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02 TRIPLE POST O owe is me? Firestorm Phoenix Member Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42 Your connection is the crap then. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09 Refresh is a bitch. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28 Triple post? TRIPLE post!? WHERE? *readies the delete* pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39 No no, all unique posts. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22 http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968 Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25 ...oh :( *unmans the harpoons* TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57 *mans the poons* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31 Aaaand saved. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07 ^^^ lol gay pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24 Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog! Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27 NO U Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28 Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15 I SAW that, MD!! =P pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36 Nazi mod nazi mod!!! *sounds alarms* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35 Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02 TRIPLE POST O owe is me? Firestorm Phoenix Member Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42 Your connection is the crap then. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09 Refresh is a bitch. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28 Triple post? TRIPLE post!? WHERE? *readies the delete* pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39 No no, all unique posts. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22 http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968 Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25 ...oh :( *unmans the harpoons* TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57 *mans the poons* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31 Aaaand saved. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07 ^^^ lol gay pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24 Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog! Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27 NO U Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28 Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15 I SAW that, MD!! =P pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36 Nazi mod nazi mod!!! *sounds alarms* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35 Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02 TRIPLE POST O owe is me? Firestorm Phoenix Member Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42 Your connection is the crap then. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09 Refresh is a bitch. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28 Triple post? TRIPLE post!? WHERE? *readies the delete* pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39 No no, all unique posts. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22 http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968 Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25 ...oh :( *unmans the harpoons* TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57 *mans the poons* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31 Aaaand saved. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07 ^^^ lol gay pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24 Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog! Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27 NO U Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28 Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15 I SAW that, MD!! =P pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36 Nazi mod nazi mod!!! *sounds alarms* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35 Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02 TRIPLE POST O owe is me? Firestorm Phoenix Member Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42 Your connection is the crap then. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09 Refresh is a bitch. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28 Triple post? TRIPLE post!? WHERE? *readies the delete* pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39 No no, all unique posts. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22 http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968 Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25 ...oh :( *unmans the harpoons* TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57 *mans the poons* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31 Aaaand saved. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07 ^^^ lol gay pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24 Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog! Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27 NO U Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28 Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15 I SAW that, MD!! =P pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36 Nazi mod nazi mod!!! *sounds alarms* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35 Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02 TRIPLE POST O owe is me? Firestorm Phoenix Member Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42 Your connection is the crap then. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09 Refresh is a bitch. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28 Triple post? TRIPLE post!? WHERE? *readies the delete* pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39 No no, all unique posts. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22 http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968 Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25 ...oh :( *unmans the harpoons* TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57 *mans the poons* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31 Aaaand saved. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07 ^^^ lol gay pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24 Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog! Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27 NO U Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28 Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15 I SAW that, MD!! =P pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36 Nazi mod nazi mod!!! *sounds alarms* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35 Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02 TRIPLE POST O owe is me? Firestorm Phoenix Member Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42 Your connection is the crap then. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09 Refresh is a bitch. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28 Triple post? TRIPLE post!? WHERE? *readies the delete* pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39 No no, all unique posts. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22 http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968 Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25 ...oh :( *unmans the harpoons* TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57 *mans the poons* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31 Aaaand saved. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07 ^^^ lol gay pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24 Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog! Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27 NO U Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28 Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15 I SAW that, MD!! =P pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36 Nazi mod nazi mod!!! *sounds alarms* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35 Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02 TRIPLE POST O owe is me? Firestorm Phoenix Member Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42 Your connection is the crap then. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09 Refresh is a bitch. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28 Triple post? TRIPLE post!? WHERE? *readies the delete* pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39 No no, all unique posts. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22 http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968 Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25 ...oh :( *unmans the harpoons* TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57 *mans the poons* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31 Aaaand saved. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07 ^^^ lol gay pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24 Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog! Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27 NO U Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28 Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15 I SAW that, MD!! =P pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36 Nazi mod nazi mod!!! *sounds alarms* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35 Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02 TRIPLE POST O owe is me? Firestorm Phoenix Member Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42 Your connection is the crap then. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09 Refresh is a bitch. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28 Triple post? TRIPLE post!? WHERE? *readies the delete* pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39 No no, all unique posts. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22 http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968 Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25 ...oh :( *unmans the harpoons* TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57 *mans the poons* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31 Aaaand saved. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07 ^^^ lol gay pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24 Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog! Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27 NO U Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28 Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15 I SAW that, MD!! =P pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36 Nazi mod nazi mod!!! *sounds alarms* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35 Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02 TRIPLE POST O owe is me? Firestorm Phoenix Member Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42 Your connection is the crap then. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09 Refresh is a bitch. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28 Triple post? TRIPLE post!? WHERE? *readies the delete* pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39 No no, all unique posts. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22 http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968 Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25 ...oh :( *unmans the harpoons* TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57 *mans the poons* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31 Aaaand saved. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07 ^^^ lol gay pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24 Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog! Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27 NO U Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28 Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15 I SAW that, MD!! =P pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36 Nazi mod nazi mod!!! *sounds alarms* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35 Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02 TRIPLE POST O owe is me? Firestorm Phoenix Member Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42 Your connection is the crap then. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09 Refresh is a bitch. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28 Triple post? TRIPLE post!? WHERE? *readies the delete* pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39 No no, all unique posts. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22 http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968 Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25 ...oh :( *unmans the harpoons* TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57 *mans the poons* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31 Aaaand saved. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07 ^^^ lol gay pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24 Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog! Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27 NO U Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28 Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15 I SAW that, MD!! =P pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36 Nazi mod nazi mod!!! *sounds alarms* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35 Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02 TRIPLE POST O owe is me? Firestorm Phoenix Member Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42 Your connection is the crap then. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09 Refresh is a bitch. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28 Triple post? TRIPLE post!? WHERE? *readies the delete* pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39 No no, all unique posts. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22 http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968 Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25 ...oh :( *unmans the harpoons* TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57 *mans the poons* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31 Aaaand saved. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07 ^^^ lol gay pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24 Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog! Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27 NO U Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28 Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15 I SAW that, MD!! =P pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36 Nazi mod nazi mod!!! *sounds alarms* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35 Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02 TRIPLE POST O owe is me? Firestorm Phoenix Member Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42 Your connection is the crap then. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09 Refresh is a bitch. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28 Triple post? TRIPLE post!? WHERE? *readies the delete* pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39 No no, all unique posts. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22 http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968 Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25 ...oh :( *unmans the harpoons* TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57 *mans the poons* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31 Aaaand saved. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07 ^^^ lol gay pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24 Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog! Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27 NO U Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28 Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15 I SAW that, MD!! =P pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36 Nazi mod nazi mod!!! *sounds alarms* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35 Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02 TRIPLE POST O owe is me? Firestorm Phoenix Member Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42 Your connection is the crap then. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09 Refresh is a bitch. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28 Triple post? TRIPLE post!? WHERE? *readies the delete* pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39 No no, all unique posts. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22 http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968 Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25 ...oh :( *unmans the harpoons* TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57 *mans the poons* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31 Aaaand saved. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07 ^^^ lol gay pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24 Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog! Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27 NO U Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28 Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15 I SAW that, MD!! =P pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36 Nazi mod nazi mod!!! *sounds alarms* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35 Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02 TRIPLE POST O owe is me? Firestorm Phoenix Member Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42 Your connection is the crap then. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09 Refresh is a bitch. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28 Triple post? TRIPLE post!? WHERE? *readies the delete* pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39 No no, all unique posts. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22 http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968 Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25 ...oh :( *unmans the harpoons* TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57 *mans the poons* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31 Aaaand saved. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07 ^^^ lol gay pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24 Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog! Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27 NO U Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28 Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15 I SAW that, MD!! =P pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36 Nazi mod nazi mod!!! *sounds alarms* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35 Saw what? Utopia Talk / General Talk / I made a pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:31:02 TRIPLE POST O owe is me? Firestorm Phoenix Member Total Posts: 103 Mon Sep 08 21:31:42 Your connection is the crap then. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:32:09 Refresh is a bitch. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:32:28 Triple post? TRIPLE post!? WHERE? *readies the delete* pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:32:39 No no, all unique posts. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:33:22 http://ata...thread=2169&time=1220927434968 Mad Dog broke em up, though. Didn't see that until after this thread. Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:33:25 ...oh :( *unmans the harpoons* TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:33:57 *mans the poons* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:34:31 Aaaand saved. pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:07 ^^^ lol gay pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:35:24 Uh huh! That wasn't for you Mad Dog! Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:35:27 NO U Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:36:28 Yes, that delete spam option sure comes in handy. TiaKatt DB Member Total Posts: 346 Mon Sep 08 21:37:15 I SAW that, MD!! =P pillz Member Total Posts: 412 Mon Sep 08 21:37:36 Nazi mod nazi mod!!! *sounds alarms* Mad Doggie Moderator Total Posts: 419 Mon Sep 08 21:38:35 Saw what?
ample.parking rank	Tue Sep 09 05:28:15 2008 ^^^^ Gay Swede
Mad Doggie rank	Tue Sep 09 05:58:45 2008 I wonder how long it will take it to realize the thread has been deleted.
krazy kat rank	Tue Sep 09 06:00:04 2008 but u can stil lsee it though.. juz cant post
Kaylana rank	Tue Sep 09 06:00:05 2008 Could have just left it closed, I only opened it again to check to see if it was running a script.
Mad Doggie rank	Tue Sep 09 06:00:58 2008 Naw, it'll stay busy in a thread no one can see. lulz.
Kaylana. rank	Tue Sep 09 07:06:23 2008 The moderators are here to keep the forum community happy and comfortable. If at any time for any reason any of the rules or subsequent enforcement are disagreed upon, please discuss it with us and the rest of the forum. Changes will be made based only on general consensus. The following can be subject to deletion: 1) Any link to pornographic images. Full nudity is allowed, it just cannot be sexual or pornographic in nature. Child nudity is not acceptable at all. (I realize parents like to take pictures of their naked infants. For the sake of internet predators, please keep them decent.) 2) Spam flooding. 3) Threats against the well-being or life of another member. Actions such as stalking, flaming, trolling, and harrassment will be judged on a person to person basis, but extremely obscene harrassment may be deleted before any further discussion is taken on it for the sake of keeping the peace. 4) Any photos, images or material used without the permission of the forum author/creator. 5) Impersonating the name or a variation of the name that could lead to identity confusion of a forum member, if that member objects to it. 6) Posts that the author requests to be deleted MAY be deleted. The moderators have the choice of not complying. When posting an URL that is tasteless, obscene or inappropriate for the workspace please identify it with NWS (Not Workplace Safe) or NSFW (Not Safe For Work). This is a courtesy to our working members. THERE IS NO NEED TO GET THEM FIRED. This is considered an adult forum, therefore adult language and adult discussion is ALLOWED and will almost CERTAINLY take place. It will be consistently assumed that minors are not privy to the content here. ---- In case of emergency, break glass. This thread is for contacting moderators when they're needed for clean-up. Current mods: Mad Doggie, HH Daemon Lord, HH Evenflow, Kaylana
.Mad Doggie rank	Tue Sep 09 07:06:55 2008 If there is ever a situation in which something needs to be done ASAP, I can be contacted the following ways: AIM: MadDoggieMD Or through HHUGT messenger system. Obviously it would be beneficial if you saw I was actually online in HHUGT. :)
HH.Psycho Guy rank	Tue Sep 09 07:07:13 2008 If there is ever a situation in which something needs to be done ASAP, or if you're cool, I can be contacted the following ways: AIM: PsychLemur
Atma01 rank	Tue Sep 09 10:57:04 2008 7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread. 8) DL is inactive. 9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
HH Psycho Guy rank	Tue Sep 09 12:37:55 2008 HELLO NEW FRIEND!
ronpaulbot rank	Wed Sep 10 01:02:48 2008 http://www.whitepride.tv/
ronpaulbot rank	Wed Sep 10 01:02:51 2008 http://www.whitepride.tv/
ronpaulbot rank	Wed Sep 10 01:02:51 2008 http://www.whitepride.tv/
ronpaulbot rank	Wed Sep 10 01:02:52 2008 http://www.whitepride.tv/
ronpaulbot rank	Wed Sep 10 01:02:53 2008 http://www.whitepride.tv/
ronpaulbot rank	Wed Sep 10 01:02:53 2008 http://www.whitepride.tv/
ronpaulbot rank	Wed Sep 10 01:02:54 2008 http://www.whitepride.tv/
ronpaulbot rank	Wed Sep 10 01:02:55 2008 http://www.whitepride.tv/
ronpaulbot rank	Wed Sep 10 01:02:55 2008 http://www.whitepride.tv/
ronpaulbot rank	Wed Sep 10 01:02:56 2008 http://www.whitepride.tv/
ronpaulbot rank	Wed Sep 10 01:02:56 2008 http://www.whitepride.tv/
ronpaulbot rank	Wed Sep 10 01:02:57 2008 http://www.whitepride.tv/
ronpaulbot rank	Wed Sep 10 01:02:57 2008 http://www.whitepride.tv/
ronpaulbot rank	Wed Sep 10 01:02:58 2008 http://www.whitepride.tv/
ronpaulbot rank	Wed Sep 10 01:02:58 2008 http://www.whitepride.tv/
ronpaulbot rank	Wed Sep 10 01:02:59 2008 http://www.whitepride.tv/
ronpaulbot rank	Wed Sep 10 01:02:59 2008 http://www.whitepride.tv/
ronpaulbot rank	Wed Sep 10 01:03:00 2008 http://www.whitepride.tv/
ronpaulbot rank	Wed Sep 10 01:03:00 2008 http://www.whitepride.tv/
ronpaulbot rank	Wed Sep 10 01:03:01 2008 http://www.whitepride.tv/
ronpaulbot rank	Wed Sep 10 01:03:01 2008 http://www.whitepride.tv/
ronpaulbot rank	Wed Sep 10 01:03:02 2008 http://www.whitepride.tv/
ronpaulbot rank	Wed Sep 10 01:03:02 2008 http://www.whitepride.tv/
ronpaulbot rank	Wed Sep 10 01:03:03 2008 http://www.whitepride.tv/
ronpaulbot rank	Wed Sep 10 01:03:04 2008 http://www.whitepride.tv/
ronpaulbot rank	Wed Sep 10 01:03:04 2008 http://www.whitepride.tv/
ronpaulbot rank	Wed Sep 10 01:03:05 2008 http://www.whitepride.tv/
ronpaulbot rank	Wed Sep 10 01:03:05 2008 http://www.whitepride.tv/
ronpaulbot rank	Wed Sep 10 01:03:06 2008 http://www.whitepride.tv/
ronpaulbot rank	Wed Sep 10 01:03:07 2008 http://www.whitepride.tv/
ronpaulbot rank	Wed Sep 10 01:03:07 2008 http://www.whitepride.tv/
ronpaulbot rank	Wed Sep 10 01:03:08 2008 http://www.whitepride.tv/
Kaylana rank	Wed Sep 10 01:45:53 2008 reset
Atma01 rank	Wed Sep 10 10:47:28 2008 7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread. 8) DL is inactive. 9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Brian rank	Wed Sep 10 11:50:42 2008 GET OUT OF MY THREAD, FUCKERS!!! lol
Agri rank	Wed Sep 10 14:11:20 2008 ttt
The Great Wakka rank	Thu Sep 11 04:49:29 2008 If none of them are on and you need something deleted, let me know: AIM: Wakkalolz
Mad Doggie rank	Thu Sep 11 04:54:54 2008 MadDoggieMD: I need something deleted. Wakkalolz: $19.99 SCAM I'll do it for half that much.
The Great Wakka rank	Thu Sep 11 05:14:02 2008 And he doesn't delete HALF as good as me!
Mad Doggie rank	Thu Sep 11 05:31:19 2008 "And he doesn't delete HALF as good as me!" What was that?
The Great Wakka rank	Thu Sep 11 05:32:44 2008 I deleted it, see.
Mad Doggie rank	Thu Sep 11 05:34:10 2008 I see what you did there.
Atma01 rank	Thu Sep 11 10:38:33 2008 7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread. 8) DL is inactive. 9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Agri rank	Thu Sep 11 10:44:54 2008 ttt
Atma01 rank	Fri Sep 12 10:34:01 2008 7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread. 8) DL is inactive. 9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Atma01 rank	Fri Sep 12 13:55:42 2008 7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread. 8) DL is inactive. 9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Kaylana rank	Fri Sep 12 16:47:20 2008 Saggy: Deleted your thread so it doesn't compromise a certain something.
Agri rank	Fri Sep 12 17:26:03 2008 Your love for Poison?
Kill A Commie rank	Fri Sep 12 17:36:20 2008 Kaylana loves Poison!
Ubes JAC rank	Fri Sep 12 22:13:38 2008 Now I wanna know what it was...
tumbleweed rank	Fri Sep 12 22:17:12 2008 What IS your fascination with my forbidden closet of mystery??
Poison rank	Sat Sep 13 01:04:17 2008 Pillz is way too angry. All his posts are insults toward me and he acts like he's gonna murder me if he sees me. Please do something about him.
pillz rank	Sat Sep 13 01:23:35 2008 Why don't you call the FBI? Oh, and while you're at it why don't you provide them with evidence of your stalking?
Ubes JAC rank	Sat Sep 13 01:33:03 2008 Fuck you pillz, I'm gonna call the FBI first! NAH NAH!!
pillz rank	Sat Sep 13 01:35:09 2008 Poison has them on speeddial.
tumbleweed rank	Sat Sep 13 01:40:53 2008 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPthu1PDkCY
pillz rank	Sat Sep 13 01:42:22 2008 ='(
Atma01 rank	Sat Sep 13 03:28:48 2008 7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread. 8) DL is inactive. 9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Atma01 rank	Sat Sep 13 06:24:45 2008 7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread. 8) DL is inactive. 9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Atma01 rank	Sat Sep 13 06:42:42 2008 7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread. 8) DL is inactive. 9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Atma01 rank	Sat Sep 13 06:47:39 2008 7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread. 8) DL is inactive. 9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Atma01 rank	Sat Sep 13 12:06:51 2008 7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread. 8) DL is inactive. 9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Atma01 rank	Sat Sep 13 12:17:10 2008 7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread. 8) DL is inactive. 9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Atma01 rank	Sat Sep 13 12:17:38 2008 The people must know of Rule 8!
Mad Doggie rank	Sat Sep 13 12:20:29 2008 Okay.
Atma01 rank	Sat Sep 13 12:24:54 2008 7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread. 8) DL is inactive. 9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Atma01 rank	Sat Sep 13 12:29:11 2008 7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread. 8) DL is inactive. 9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Atma01 rank	Sat Sep 13 14:12:40 2008 7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread. 8) DL is inactive. 9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
McKobb rank	Sat Sep 13 16:07:29 2008 Wait, Who is inactive?
Mad Doggie rank	Sat Sep 13 22:47:36 2008 TC is now working on a solution for the Poison issue. There is now flood protection for posts as well as threads. 30 second wait time for new threads and now there is a wait time for making posts as well. No more holding F5.
Poison rank	Sun Sep 14 05:19:28 2008 Master Bates wrote an extremely obscene disturbing graphical post that's mean to harrass me to its fullest: "Poison, what you need is for you to see your little yellow chink whore mom's throat slit by a gang of crack chinks and then fucked in the throat while she bubbles and gasps because she cant scream anymore, Of course, your chink slit-eye lids need to be sliced off first so you can't close your chink slits. This is right before you get forced to lick her dead chink cunt while your ears, nose, tiny little chink clitoris of a yellowing get hacked off, and then stabbed in the face until you are dead. I suggest this out of friendliness because we all know you will feel better than you do now once your filthy yellow chink corpse is rotting in the ground. " Please do something about it. This is digusting.
Atma01 rank	Sun Sep 14 06:45:10 2008 7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread. 8) DL is inactive. 9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
HH Psycho Guy rank	Sun Sep 14 07:02:50 2008 "GUITAAAAAAAAAAAR!" -Dragon Eye Morrison
poison rank	Sun Sep 14 07:07:24 2008 *posts a useless post* *waits for the consequence*
Polonium rank	Sun Sep 14 08:24:37 2008 poison is bad for u
Atma01 rank	Sun Sep 14 14:06:49 2008 7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread. 8) DL is inactive. 9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS 10) MD's action are futile.
Agri rank	Sun Sep 14 14:39:24 2008 ttt
Agri rank	Mon Sep 15 08:51:50 2008 ttt
Keane BEWBS rank	Mon Sep 15 09:13:24 2008 How did this get unstickied?
HH Daemon Lord rank	Mon Sep 15 09:38:50 2008 I have returned it to its glory!
HH Psycho Guy rank	Mon Sep 15 09:40:00 2008 *cheer*
Atma01 rank	Mon Sep 15 10:41:29 2008 7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread. 8) DL is inactive. 9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
HH Psycho Guy rank	Mon Sep 15 11:21:58 2008 *cheer*
Agri rank	Mon Sep 15 11:30:14 2008 ttt
Atma01 rank	Mon Sep 15 13:02:29 2008 7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread. 8) DL is inactive. 9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Atma01 rank	Mon Sep 15 13:02:29 2008 7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread. 8) DL is inactive. 9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Atma01 rank	Mon Sep 15 13:02:42 2008 Whoops. Double post.
Atma01 rank	Mon Sep 15 13:15:09 2008 7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread. 8) DL is inactive. 9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Atma01 rank	Mon Sep 15 13:23:16 2008 7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread. 8) DL is inactive. 9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Atma01 rank	Mon Sep 15 13:41:27 2008 7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread. 8) DL is inactive. 9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
HH Psycho Guy rank	Mon Sep 15 21:57:40 2008 The delete spam button is very fun.
tumbleweed rank	Mon Sep 15 21:58:55 2008 nazi
Ubes JAC rank	Tue Sep 16 01:43:26 2008 nazi
Kaylana rank	Tue Sep 16 01:46:17 2008 sigh
Ubes JAC rank	Tue Sep 16 01:49:05 2008 Nazi
Ubes JAC rank	Tue Sep 16 02:04:18 2008 Izan
Ubes JAC rank	Tue Sep 16 02:12:11 2008 This is all about job creation.
Kaylana rank	Tue Sep 16 02:16:05 2008 Closed on account of Ubes.
Total Eclipse rank	Tue Sep 16 07:03:21 2008 god damn it
Ubes JAC rank	Tue Sep 16 08:45:39 2008 Job creation ftw!
Mad Doggie rank	Tue Sep 16 08:48:07 2008 Whatchyou talkin bout Ubes?
Ubes JAC rank	Tue Sep 16 08:52:12 2008 I'm creating work for you all. Some mod will nazi-lete my posts, and I'm just making them feel good about their jobs.
Mad Doggie rank	Tue Sep 16 08:54:43 2008 Ah, thanks.
Ubes JAC rank	Tue Sep 16 08:55:51 2008 So.... whats up?
Mad Doggie rank	Tue Sep 16 08:56:11 2008 Just chillin'.
Ubes JAC rank	Tue Sep 16 09:00:58 2008 Ya I'm good too, thanks for asking.
Mad Doggie rank	Tue Sep 16 09:02:33 2008 Oh, right, I'm supposed to feign interest in the common people. So, uh...how's Canada?
Ubes JAC rank	Tue Sep 16 09:02:59 2008 This relationship is over.
Mad Doggie rank	Tue Sep 16 09:05:31 2008 k.
Ubes JAC rank	Tue Sep 16 09:06:23 2008 I want my stuff back though.
Mad Doggie rank	Tue Sep 16 09:10:05 2008 Receipts plz.
Ubes JAC rank	Tue Sep 16 09:11:32 2008 Fuck..
Mad Doggie rank	Tue Sep 16 09:12:01 2008 k bye.
Atma01 rank	Tue Sep 16 10:36:27 2008 7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread. 8) DL is inactive. 9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Atma01 rank	Tue Sep 16 10:53:00 2008 7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread. 8) DL is inactive. 9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Atma01 rank	Tue Sep 16 10:54:32 2008 7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread. 8) DL is inactive. 9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Atma01 rank	Tue Sep 16 10:55:49 2008 7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread. 8) DL is inactive. 9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Atma01 rank	Tue Sep 16 10:56:27 2008 7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread. 8) DL is inactive. 9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
HH Psycho Guy rank	Tue Sep 16 13:26:23 2008 7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread. 8) DL is inactive. 9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Atma01 rank	Tue Sep 16 13:52:43 2008 Moral victory! *Gives PG a scooby snack*
Agri rank	Tue Sep 16 13:56:37 2008 ttt
HH Psycho Guy rank	Tue Sep 16 13:56:48 2008 w00t!
Agri rank	Tue Sep 16 14:14:00 2008 yay!
Keane BEWBS rank	Tue Sep 16 20:34:02 2008 *Flashes*
Atma01 rank	Wed Sep 17 10:40:30 2008 7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread. 8) DL is inactive. 9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Atma01 rank	Wed Sep 17 10:49:58 2008 7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread. 8) DL is inactive. 9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Agri rank	Wed Sep 17 11:04:17 2008 7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread. 8) DL is inactive. 9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Agri rank	Wed Sep 17 11:06:49 2008 7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread. 8) DL is inactive. 9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Agri rank	Wed Sep 17 11:09:45 2008 7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread. 8) DL is inactive. 9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Agri rank	Wed Sep 17 11:40:17 2008 7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread. 8) DL is inactive. 9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Agri rank	Wed Sep 17 11:43:41 2008 7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread. 8) DL is inactive. 9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Agri rank	Wed Sep 17 11:46:15 2008 By the power vested in me, I welcome Eikey's Ghost, OFFICIAL GTer!
Agri rank	Wed Sep 17 11:46:19 2008 oh fuck
Mad Doggie rank	Wed Sep 17 11:46:55 2008 GOOD ONE
Agri rank	Wed Sep 17 11:47:24 2008 7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread. 8) DL is inactive. 9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Agri rank	Wed Sep 17 11:47:48 2008 7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread. 8) DL is inactive. 9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Agri rank	Wed Sep 17 11:48:44 2008 7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread. 8) DL is inactive. 9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Agri rank	Wed Sep 17 11:48:55 2008 7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread. 8) DL is inactive. 9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Mad Doggie rank	Wed Sep 17 11:48:58 2008 7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread. 8) DL is inactive. 9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Agri rank	Wed Sep 17 11:49:05 2008 yayaya! <3
Agri rank	Wed Sep 17 12:04:25 2008 7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread. 8) DL is inactive. 9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Agri rank	Wed Sep 17 12:04:34 2008 (you didn't think I was gone, did you?)
Agri rank	Wed Sep 17 12:05:11 2008 7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread. 8) DL is inactive. 9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Agri rank	Wed Sep 17 12:06:38 2008 7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread. 8) DL is inactive. 9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Agri rank	Wed Sep 17 12:07:10 2008 Hi there! I'm watching tv, and will be for a few more hours! Meanwhile, I'm posting here! Bye!
Agri rank	Wed Sep 17 12:11:58 2008 7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread. 8) DL is inactive. 9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Atma01 rank	Wed Sep 17 13:22:43 2008 7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread. 8) DL is inactive. 9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Agri rank	Wed Sep 17 13:34:53 2008 7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread. 8) DL is inactive. 9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Agri rank	Wed Sep 17 13:36:53 2008 7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread. 8) DL is inactive. 9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Ubes JAC rank	Thu Sep 18 03:05:19 2008 blahblahblah
Ubes JAC rank	Thu Sep 18 08:47:12 2008 This isn't spam.
Ubes JAC rank	Thu Sep 18 08:47:33 2008 This isn't spam.
Ubes JAC rank	Thu Sep 18 08:47:36 2008 This isn't spam.
Ubes JAC rank	Thu Sep 18 08:47:41 2008
Ubes JAC rank	Thu Sep 18 08:47:44 2008 This isn't spam.
Ubes JAC rank	Thu Sep 18 08:47:47 2008 This isn't spam.
Ubes JAC rank	Thu Sep 18 08:47:50 2008 This isn't spam.
Ubes JAC rank	Thu Sep 18 08:47:52 2008 This isn't spam.
Ubes JAC rank	Thu Sep 18 08:47:55 2008 This isn't spam.
Ubes JAC rank	Thu Sep 18 08:48:35 2008 This isn't spam.
Ubes JAC rank	Thu Sep 18 08:49:16 2008 THIS IS SPAM
Ubes JAC rank	Thu Sep 18 08:49:33 2008 This isn't spam.
Ubes JAC rank	Thu Sep 18 08:49:51 2008 This isn't spam.
Ubes JAC rank	Thu Sep 18 08:49:54 2008 This isn't spam.
Ubes JAC rank	Thu Sep 18 08:49:59 2008 This isn't spam.
Ubes JAC rank	Thu Sep 18 08:50:11 2008 This isn't spam.
Ubes JAC rank	Thu Sep 18 08:50:16 2008 This isn't spam.
Ubes JAC rank	Thu Sep 18 08:50:20 2008 This isn't spam.
Ubes JAC rank	Thu Sep 18 08:50:23 2008 This isn't spam.
Ubes JAC rank	Thu Sep 18 08:50:35 2008 This isn't spam.
Ubes JAC rank	Thu Sep 18 08:51:21 2008 This isn't spam.
Ubes JAC rank	Thu Sep 18 08:51:35 2008 This might be spam.
Ubes JAC rank	Thu Sep 18 08:51:52 2008 This isn't spam.
Ubes JAC rank	Thu Sep 18 08:51:58 2008 This isn't spam.
Ubes JAC rank	Thu Sep 18 08:52:03 2008 This isn't spam.
Ubes JAC rank	Thu Sep 18 08:52:24 2008 This isn't spam.
Ubes JAC rank	Thu Sep 18 08:52:27 2008 This isn't spam.
Ubes JAC rank	Thu Sep 18 08:52:29 2008 This isn't spam.
Ubes JAC rank	Thu Sep 18 08:52:38 2008 ctrl+v
Ubes JAC rank	Thu Sep 18 08:52:45 2008 This isn't spam.
Ubes JAC rank	Thu Sep 18 08:53:21 2008 This isn't spam.
Ubes JAC rank	Thu Sep 18 08:53:41 2008 Foiled!
Ubes JAC rank	Thu Sep 18 08:54:55 2008 33 posts must be a record.
Ubes JAC rank	Thu Sep 18 08:56:16 2008 *breaks glass* uh.. there's uh.. someone spamming stuff.. and it needs to be taken care of.
Atma01 rank	Thu Sep 18 10:50:43 2008 7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread. 8) DL is inactive. 9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Atma01 rank	Thu Sep 18 12:19:01 2008 7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread. 8) DL is inactive. 9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Atma01 rank	Thu Sep 18 13:23:46 2008 7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread. 8) DL is inactive. 9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
TiaKatt DB rank	Thu Sep 18 14:20:02 2008 10) All the mods are nazis who suck ^.^ 11) TK does not have to follow the rules!
Atma01 rank	Thu Sep 18 14:29:24 2008 12) Thou shalt pause after a Tia post 13) ??? 14) Profit!
HH Daemon Lord rank	Thu Sep 18 14:35:23 2008 15) no gay sex at walmart 16) Atma has sex with men 17) DL IS GOD
TiaKatt DB rank	Thu Sep 18 14:38:50 2008 18) YOU WILL REGRET THIS DECISION
Agri rank	Thu Sep 18 14:54:06 2008 19) Bacon
Saggy rank	Thu Sep 18 16:24:31 2008 20)I feel like including myseld
Saggy rank	Thu Sep 18 16:24:40 2008 21)***myself!
McKobb rank	Thu Sep 18 16:46:18 2008 22) Saggy
Agri rank	Thu Sep 18 18:41:41 2008 23) Penis
TheGrimReaper rank	Thu Sep 18 21:03:32 2008 24) The rivers will flow. Oh how they will flow.
repel rank	Thu Sep 18 21:46:59 2008 25) Dorks will win survivor!
NightBloom rank	Thu Sep 18 21:53:38 2008 26) hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha NO. :P
repel rank	Thu Sep 18 21:56:37 2008 27) NB will never post in a mod thread again, because she broke it!
Kaylana rank	Thu Sep 18 23:43:06 2008 test
Atma01 rank	Fri Sep 19 10:58:03 2008 7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread. 8) DL is inactive. 9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Atma01 rank	Fri Sep 19 15:07:29 2008 7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread. 8) DL is inactive. 9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Poison rank	Fri Sep 19 19:13:38 2008 douchebag alert.
tumbleweed rank	Fri Sep 19 19:21:23 2008 i think you should preface all your comments that way
pillz sdanwmu rank	Sat Sep 20 00:36:44 2008 rofl
pillz sdanwmu rank	Sat Sep 20 00:39:25 2008 Kay went all Nazi on my post =(
Kaylana rank	Sat Sep 20 00:39:48 2008 2) Spam flooding.
Wrath of Orion rank	Sat Sep 20 00:40:40 2008 It's far past time to effectively ban Poison from this forum, as well.
repel rank	Sat Sep 20 00:44:44 2008 Nooooo! Kay unbacconed a thread, the horror... ;)
Kaylana rank	Sat Sep 20 00:45:30 2008 BACON
tumbleweed rank	Sat Sep 20 03:12:11 2008 7) O'Doyle Rules!
tumbleweed rank	Sat Sep 20 03:13:10 2008 hmm... actually i guess just... 7) O'Doyle
Atma01 rank	Sat Sep 20 06:53:00 2008 7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread. 8) DL is inactive. 9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
Atma01 rank	Sat Sep 20 14:32:00 2008 7) Only Atma may post useless posts in the Rules thread. 8) DL is inactive. 9) HERESY GROWS FROM IDLENESS
	show deleted posts